RSL Speedwoofer 12S Subwoofer Review: True 16Hz Extension for $800?!?

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The RSL Speedwoofer 12S builds on the venerable 10S MK2 but with a larger 12” driver and enclosure with 16Hz extension for only $800. James Larson reviewed the 12S and put it through music and movie torture testing and CEA-2010 and found it to be a significant upgrade from the Speedwoofer 10S. It’s not just quantitatively better, it’s qualitatively better. Now we have ‪@therealshanelee‬ take on dual Speedwoofer 12S subs integrated into his theater room to give his impressions.
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@timelapsega 9 месяцев назад

I went from 1 10S to a 10S + 10SII to the 12S. Man the 12S is a monster, it feels like the floorboards are moving when it hits low notes.. The 10S's are killer subs and they are all an incredible value, but man the 12S low end is just insane.

@revaldo29 7 месяцев назад

Do you prefer the single 12s to dual 10s? I have a single 10s mkII and trying to decide between an additional 10s vs switching to a single 12s. The only thing keeping me from the 12s is the fact that my movie room is under the kids bedrooms 😂😂

@moronchi686 5 месяцев назад

yo did you ever decide ? @@revaldo29

@takeflightleakz8449 5 месяцев назад

@@revaldo29 have u decided yet? I got the 12S and man that is really a monster

@revaldo29 5 месяцев назад

@@takeflightleakz8449 yes I got the 12s, it’s incredible . I was going to sell the 10s but decided to keep it and daisy chain it to the 12s. I have the 10s in a back corner handling everything above 40hz and the 12s in the front opposite corner doing everything below 40 Hz and it sounds incredible.

@pj1333 10 месяцев назад

Great review Gene and Shane! Pity a few people feel the need to hijack the comments with bias and agendas and can’t just say “thank you for the free content and providing details I would have to otherwise PURCHASE to discover.” Keep it real gents. The ones who know, know.

@josefermalino461 4 месяца назад

Thanks for this excellent review I just ordered two of the 12S ❤

@KeithCopeland778 9 месяцев назад

The engineering, design, build quality, and performance for the money is very hard to beat!!!

@Eddie87Grant 8 месяцев назад

Agreed.

@tommy2714 10 месяцев назад

Great review. Just ordered 2 of these subs a few days ago.

@barbacor Месяц назад

And. How are they

@SteveSmith-cm1hx 10 месяцев назад

Need to get me one of these. Great review by Shane.

@HeyYall398 10 месяцев назад

A fun subwoofer that leaves enough cash to still pay my mortgage.

@brucecarter6205 10 месяцев назад

Actually, Ludwig Goransson did the score for Tenet.

@caczech 10 месяцев назад

I saw this comment up front and I'm like, "Wait, he said Hans Zimmer for Tenet?" Then yep, he said Hans Zimmer... TWICE!

@therealshanelee 10 месяцев назад

It was only said to see if Gene had real movie fans over here or just measurement fans 😉

@caczech 10 месяцев назад

@therealshanelee ... Hans thankfully picked Dune over Tenet. But extremely happy with Görranson's music in that. As for "movie fans," that's a whole other rabbit hole of a topic when it comes to home theatre!

@chuckmaddison2924 10 месяцев назад

Hi guy's, a small unrelated question if you don't mind, please. Do MM phono cartridges need demagnetising.?

@WeeWeeJumbo 10 месяцев назад

I don’t have space for a pair of these, but otherwise I’d definitely be checking them out. Really it’s stunning how many high value, high quality subwoofer options there are nowadays. Even ten years ago the landscape was way less rich

@WeeWeeJumbo 10 месяцев назад

Also, maybe they shouldn’t have mastered the Edge of Tomorrow intro that way. It’s like the Will It Run Crysis of the home theater world 🙄

@TokeBoisen 10 месяцев назад

@@WeeWeeJumbo that's partly why they redid the intro for the 4K Blu-ray, I reckon they didn't expect people to actively try and wreck their gear with it, and with the proliferation of soundbar-systems with lackluster subs, they didn't want to risk people blowing things up. Plus, everything below 20 Hz is pretty pointless anyway

@Bob.martens 8 месяцев назад

@@TokeBoisen There's plenty below twenty.

@dannyr2272 6 месяцев назад

How would u compare this subwoofer to a pb2000 pro ?

@davel4449 10 месяцев назад

Watched Nemo propaganda and he did an awesome review on it and comparing with rythmik and SVS, THIS IS the subwoofer to beat and my next purchase based on the price/quality ratio

@vilmfilm 2 месяца назад

Mr audioholicccccc is there ANY subwoofers with balanced in/outs that I can also use in a PC home studio with audio interface and powered monitors???? I have a krk sub and it sounds amazing but I want a home theater sub for the low lows but every studio sub doesn't even go that low (at a decent price that is)

@hatoraidcowboy 10 месяцев назад

Sounds pretty impressive for a 12" subwoofer.

@AA-ws3vd 10 месяцев назад

You have to feel it to believe it

@Dalt1225 10 месяцев назад

@@AA-ws3vddo you think 2 of these in place of my single SVS SB 16 Ultra will be a big enough improvement to justify the switch?

@efrainmiguelbaezpichardo1647 10 месяцев назад

I will love to see your review of the Tonewinner D4000 and D6000.

@nodoubt1616 7 месяцев назад

Can you review the Rythmik FV15hp2. I hear great things about this sub but I haven't seen many reviews

@shaner3d 10 месяцев назад

Great review Shane 👍👍

@therealshanelee 10 месяцев назад

🍻

@Goose_Lord 10 месяцев назад

Great review! How would you compare these to the Stark subwoofers, knowing they usually go on big sales and also dip into the infrasonic realm? Both are large-room certified on audioholics but obviously different design philosophy; big driver/small sealed box vs small driver/large ported box.

@andrewskaterrr 10 месяцев назад

Well you’ll have less phase change issues when integrating with your mains, but the usefulness of that is debatable. I feel like if only buying 2, you would most likely want to stay ported. If you buy 4, then maybe sealed.

@CandBLawnCare 10 месяцев назад

I have 2 rsl 10smkII’s in my living room and love them. I got them just before they released to 12. Otherwise I might have 2 of those.

@Packer1290 3 месяца назад

I read that tone at the beginning of Edge of Tomorrow is 10Hz. I wouldn't even try it for most subs for fear of damaging them.

@stevenshelp1107 10 месяцев назад

That's stunning for a 12 inch. The hsu subs are about th3 only other thing to consider.

@zounds13 5 месяцев назад

Damn, I wish my 10S MkII had a high-pass filter and a line out. I had to buy a Rolls SX45 to get a high-pass filter. It's really handy and I'm glad I have it, but still, it seems like a pretty glaring omission in a subwoofer. ALL subwoofers should have that stuff!

@Professor5180 10 месяцев назад

Shane, how do these 12s' subwoofers compare to the svs pb2000 pros you reviewed? Even though the price is different I feel these spec-wise compete against each other.

@davel4449 10 месяцев назад

Very same question here

@demonreturns4336 10 месяцев назад

I’d say the 12s compares closely to the pb3000 rather than the pb2000 pro

@Professor5180 10 месяцев назад

Are you saying the 12s compares more closely with the pb-3000 and not the 2000 pro?@@demonreturns4336

@Smellslikegelfling 10 месяцев назад

What about this compared to the Hsu VTF-3 MK5? It has a 15" driver with 150w RMS more than the Speedwoofer, for about $150 more. The finish is nicer as well.

@justinbeamon6624 10 месяцев назад

Audioholics already did measurements and I think the HSU does measure better across the spectrum.

@CloroxBleach-lm2ty 10 месяцев назад

The HSU is for home theater, the RSL has far better sound quality

@Bradimus1 10 месяцев назад

I definitely want one.

@Dalt1225 10 месяцев назад

Shane, do you think 2 of these will vastly outperform my 1 SVS SB 16 Ultra in my 12x14 room?

@emotive7 9 месяцев назад

Would you recommend this sub over two rsl 10s subs for home theater?

@waynefuerstinger7007 9 месяцев назад

My son has one RSL 10" and it really rocks in a big basement room. Two of those would give you better, more flexible room acoustics than one 12. Two is nearly always better than one!

@parkersgarage4216 6 месяцев назад

i can tell you now call RSL. hopefully it isnt too late for me to tell you this. when i spoke to them they said 1 12s will outperform 2 10s. nemo propaganda also said the same thing as well. you can buy 2 12s as well. they will give you a discount when ordering more than one as well. i bought the one i have now 4 days ago. i called the day after i got it as im having an issue w my current one. i asked about ordering a second one and they offered me a discount. i will say their customer service is TOP NOTCH. ive been speaking w them daily trying to figure out my issue w mine. continuing tomorrow as well.

@mhelenesephoto 10 месяцев назад

Another nicely done review Shane. I gave to ask do you think there is a big gap between these and the Starke sound sw15 regarding tactile presence, articulation and room pressurization.

@therealshanelee 10 месяцев назад

This is a better sounding sub.

@mhelenesephoto 10 месяцев назад

@@therealshanelee thank you

@Reluctantaudiophile 10 месяцев назад

I wonder how that driver would perform in a smaller cabinet, it’s enormous!

@rick-val22 7 месяцев назад

Would you go with 4 RSL for $3200 or 2JTR RS-1 Captivators for $6600 hitting 5Hz?

@Audioholics 7 месяцев назад

2 JTR's if you have the $$$

@psyphonyxaudio 10 месяцев назад

Definitely interested. 12s or bigger for me.

@davel4449 10 месяцев назад

I don't understand why we don't hear comparison with the SVS pb 2000 pro it's the exact correct competition

@davel4449 7 месяцев назад

Guys... I am a music techno , EDM, rock home theater blockbuster crazy fan... I love my music PUNCHING MY CHEST like in a club I have a room of 18x30. Will it be enough... I don't want only punch I want also qualify for music with good transium and for the price I understood this speedwoofer 12s is a go to for a mix like I love... Do you think 2 will is really required to get a good punch or to get it I really need 2... I am looking also the tonnewinner d6000 15inch

@Audioholics 7 месяцев назад

Tonewinner is untested, so we can't recommend the brand. 2 RSL Speedwoofer 12S would rock your room if you have the space for them.

@ach442403 10 месяцев назад

Hello gene...this may sound like a dumb question...what are your thoughts on ferrite cores on speaker cables?? Snake oil or do they have a purpose??...thanks

@Audioholics 10 месяцев назад

Ridiculous. Snake oil at its worst. It has no benefit and actually adds inductance as a result.

@markwilliams5792 Месяц назад

Would Love to see a comparison of RSL VS HSU

@dougdavis8986 5 месяцев назад

What does phase dial do?

@spencerm5913 3 месяца назад

I don't have one of these subs, but typically anything to do with phase puts a delay of some sort on the signal in order to align the time phase of the sub to the phase of the mid/high speakers, measured from the listening position.

@goovitoo 2 месяца назад

Can I use this 12 s subwoofer for dj use ??

@neo4102 22 дня назад

This or the Monolith M-12 THX ported?

@giovanni1269 10 месяцев назад

How does it compare to the SVS SB3000?

@danemoreno88 10 месяцев назад

Not even a comparison did you mean the pb3000 by chance I’ve had the sb3000 and the rsl blows it out of the water

@TheTerminator118 10 месяцев назад

Not fair comparison since it’s sealed vs ported

@Zoomerland 10 месяцев назад

I found room and I don't have any wife factor to deal with. You should just order one, it's a remarkable box that will not disappoint

@dandonna852 10 месяцев назад

My brother's Sub is in the best spot, 10 " sub Klipich volume is just below 50%, crossover is set 120Hz and the grill is off Sub still sounds boomy, wood floors, semi or half vaulted ceiling patio door, drywall walls and 3 medium size couch, love seat round corner seat and around corner other side Kitchen with other patio door

@Audioholics 10 месяцев назад

Bad room acoustics will kill bass EVEN if the sub is properly located in the room. Try putting a sub isolation pad under the sub and adding some mass to the room. A 2nd sub will help as well.

@dandonna852 10 месяцев назад

Thank You I also thinking some foam in corners?@@Audioholics

@LoganRST 3 месяца назад

What 21" subwoofer is this better than? 9:20

@KB-gt2xl Месяц назад

Probably the Tekton 21" in some respects.

@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 10 месяцев назад

I been on the bench with this sub and the rhythmic @$769 since I am more into music Rythmic TV12 is a better choice with servo design stop/start ' - Rel 7 looks nice but very small ' cab thanks for the video

@miscreant1739 10 месяцев назад

Uhh, the online review's long term output sweep data says the sub can generate around 77dB at 10hz but you're showing over 100dB in room. That's a ton of room gain. Were you using the box the sub came in as the listening room?

@hhectorlector 10 месяцев назад

💀

@everydayaudiophile 10 месяцев назад

When you have a properly setup room, with 2 of these running, its easy to see why the room gain+ dual sub setup comes in clutch.

@craigosterberg5045 10 месяцев назад

👍

@WilliamJSisti 10 месяцев назад

What about compared to SVS xB-1000 pro or xB-2000 (non pro).

@WeeWeeJumbo 10 месяцев назад

Pretty clear that this device blows those subs out of the water. Mind you I love my SB2000 and I love my PC12NSD

@WilliamJSisti 10 месяцев назад

Thanks, I'll add this to my short list for when I'm shopping to replace my chrysalis starfire-12@@WeeWeeJumbo

@ryanschipp8513 10 месяцев назад

@@WeeWeeJumbowhat about it makes it clearly better than a SVS PB-2000....Especially when the 2000's could be had for $599 each.

@FinnnAndJake 10 месяцев назад

@@WeeWeeJumbo which one of those two do you like better? I've seen both for sale near me.

@OMN1N 10 месяцев назад

Ludwig Göransson made the Tenet score*

@WindomRettes 10 месяцев назад

Shane nit picking?

@HaraldMacGerhard 10 месяцев назад

Hmm, am I missing something here? the only things discussed here seem to be how loud it goes, how well it can reproduce gunshots 🙃 Did you seem to forget that subwoofers have a role to play in a music system setup ...... ? 🙁 Most Audioholics reviews seem to add value to me ... definitely not so here for me!

@Audioholics 10 месяцев назад

James gives detailed listening test results in his review: www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/rsl-speedwoofer-12s-1

@therealshanelee 10 месяцев назад

Did you not pay attention to the video? 4:31 addresses that concern. I made sure to make it a point to avoid this very pointless comment.

@snauspockets9924 10 месяцев назад

Instead of saying "even beats some of the 21-in subwoofers out there..." Maybe actually name the ones you're talking about. I'm actually curious because there's not a lot of 21-in subwoofers. I know you're not talking about the PSA TV2112 because that will eat The RSL for lunch. So which ones?

@Audioholics 10 месяцев назад

I think this was his reference: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-i2G_uX-wvrg.htmlsi=WUcQ1rzLeNZgJ4BI

@snauspockets9924 10 месяцев назад

So he's comparing a 12-in ported subwoofer to a 21-in sealed subwoofer that people think he had set up incorrectly....smh. He should have just never said anything about being better than a 21-in subwoofer... Just a ridiculous statement. I really like this sub by the way but you're comparing apples and oranges. It's a shame that Tom and audioholics don't get along. He makes great subs.

@Audioholics 10 месяцев назад

@snauspockets9924 I only know Tom though forum groups and he hasn't been a very nice person to deal with. I haven't used any of his subs, but I trust Shane's judgment on subwoofers. He's had virtually every brand at his place, and he knows how to calibrate. The fact that he bought that PSA with his own money with the intent for it to be his reference sub lends even more credibility to his review, IMHO.

@snauspockets9924 10 месяцев назад

@@Audioholics @Audioholics let's not pretend that there isn't a long negative history between Tom V and Shady J(audioholics sub tester). They practically hate each other. You going to pretend you don't know about that? I have quite a few dealings with Tom myself and he's been nothing but awesome and helpful... Not to mention a very good sub designer that co-founded SVS and designed All of their high-end subwoofers before leaving to start PSA. I think most knowledgeable people here know that trying to say a 12-in subwoofer is going to outperform a well-designed 21 in subwoofer is silly. Even If the 21 is sealed and the 12 is ported. All that being said I think this is an awesome subwoofer and one of the best options under $1,000. I enjoy audioholics, don't get me wrong ...but I have 2x PSA TV2112 subs and they are outstanding. Have a good weekend

@brucecarter6205 10 месяцев назад

Not a fan of Tom/PSA either. I tried to communicate with him through email to make a purchase a few years ago and he wouldn’t give me the time of day. Come to find out later that he hates shipping products into Canada. Probably good that it happened that way, as I came out way ahead with a far superior JTR setup.

@giovanni1269 10 месяцев назад

I think that you need to compare this subs more in the price range, comparing it to something that cost 5 times more May not be a good comparison. Like say how to campare a Toyota to a Mercedes or lexus to a Ferrari. Not such a great comparison.

@therealshanelee 10 месяцев назад

It was compared to one cheaper subwoofer and one more expensive subwoofer.

@gufiaito69able 9 месяцев назад

Comparing these to the perlisten 210s is a huge compliment to these subs if you know anything about perlisten you know that's saying how capable these really are for the price.

@jankof76 8 месяцев назад

I don't use powered subs anymore. I use car audio class D amps in my home theater setup. I run 4 15" subs @ 3000 watts each on 2 planet audio amps, way more accurate than any powered sub.

@Audioholics 8 месяцев назад

Lol 12v amps in home environment. 3kwatts at 12V, good luck my friend.

@jankof76 8 месяцев назад

@@Audioholics on 100amp circuit, on 20v power supplies

@jankof76 8 месяцев назад

@@Audioholics been working flawlessly for years

@ryanm2084 7 месяцев назад

@@jankof76 you run your subs on a 100A circuit? Damn. I guess if you have no concern for your power bill then go for it

@aceofspades6667 7 месяцев назад

Ah im a 2 channel only guy has to peace out

@markfischer3626 10 месяцев назад

This is not an acoustic suspension design based on the cutaway view. The acoustic suspension design relies on the stuffing inside the enclosure to control the damping factor, not the mechanical suspension. This is accomplished by forcing the woofer to lose energy by pushing and pulling air between a large number of densely packed fibers whose aggregate surface area is enormous creating friction. The loss of energy is directly related to the velocity of the cone and not the frequency and hence the air being pushed and pulled. This is the b*dx/dt component of Newton's Second law of motion. This law applied to forced oscillation explains how every woofer/enclosure works and why the acoustic suspension principle which should have been called the pneumatic suspension principle works and why this principle is the best design. Still, within its limits this seems like a good value but should be crossed over at a very low frequency based on its poor performance above 50 to 60 hz. By comparison the Teledyne Acoustic Research AR9, my reference speaker, a 4 way design uses two opposing 12" side firing woofers crossed over at 200 hz with an 18 db per octave (3rd order) crossover to an 8" acoustic suspension lower midrange used as a woofer in designs like AR4x which operates up to 1.5 khz. This exploits the research by Roy Allison in both coupling the woofer to the room and eliminating the 200 hz suckout. The AR woofers are damped to Q=0.5 and a -3d point unequalized at 28 hz. My spectrum analyzer for what it's worth shows output down to 4 hz, the limit of its measurement. It's a real room shaker.

@Audioholics 10 месяцев назад

Nobody claimed this was an acoustic suspension enclosure.

@markfischer3626 10 месяцев назад

@@Audioholics I know. Just saying that damping is controlled by the mechanical suspension. It could have been better.

@andymack8178 10 месяцев назад

@@markfischer3626to try and absorb all the bass frequencies via densely packed fiber is akin to infinite baffle/dipole woofer setup leading to very poor transient response/loss of bass tightness. Mechanical restoring force is absolutely needed for good transient response with properly sized bass reflex and even better for sealed enclosures with a QTC of around 0.7.

@markfischer3626 10 месяцев назад

@andymack8178 It's just not true. Bass reflex woofers are like organ pipes or horn instruments in that at the resonance frequency air moves easily through the port. Half an octave above and below it's much harder. This is why the system resonant frequency is the effective lower limit of its useful response falling off at 24 dB per octave which is not equalizable. Acoustic Suspension speakers with a system Q of 0.707, critical da.ping falls off at 12 dB per octave which is equalizable. Infinite baffle drivers rely on their mechanical suspension for k and damping.

@andymack8178 10 месяцев назад

@@markfischer3626 I'm sorry Mark, you just don't have a clear understanding of what you're talking about. Everything I said is absolutely true.

@rushgush 5 месяцев назад

edge of tomorrowat the start, that’s not even part of the movie. it’s just a lame sine wave 🤦🏻🤦🏻 so it’s pointless

@kirkcunningham6146 10 месяцев назад

My system uses balanced cables throughout so i would not rule out this subwoofer but it makes allot of us balanced guys irritated when manufacturers dont use balanced ins and outs. It doesn't add that much to the final product cost. I would pay another hundred bucks to have balanced connections. 🤟

@andrewskaterrr 10 месяцев назад

Most people wouldn’t though, and that’s why they don’t.

@vilmfilm 2 месяца назад

Yeah i feel you man 😭 or for people with PC home studios. Most studio subs dont even go that low at a decent cost

@glennquagmire1747 7 месяцев назад

What started out as a decent speedwoofer price wise for under 500 $ is now overpriced, talk about price gouging!!!

@Audioholics 7 месяцев назад

The Speedwoofer 10s is still $450 shipped and an incredible deal. You can't expect the 12s to not cost more considering it has a 12" driver, larger cabinet, and more powerful amp.

@gufiaito69able 10 месяцев назад

Taking shots at PSA huh 😂

@dillonmaggiano5415 2 месяца назад

No disrespect, but I'm not the biggest fan of these Shane review videos

@michaellandskroner964 10 месяцев назад

16 Hz? who measured that and where? 16Hz wavelength is 70 FEET LONG!! Do you or anyone else have a 70 foot listening space? The lowest Hz of any speaker is determined by the size of the room NOT what some company tells me. Most claims are BS. I build and design my own speakers and subs and I have extensive measuring equipment to see what I am hearing. I designed 2 dual 12" subs built to the golden ratio and the drivers are diametrically opposed so little vibration and even less harmonic distortion, and even when placed in the corners of my room the lowest frequency I can obtain is about 20 Hz measured by my Velodyne SMS and I have a large listening area and an open house design. Just using some common sense and measuring equipment and READING.

@Audioholics 10 месяцев назад

Wow, congrats on making one of the dumbest posts on our channel. By your logic, you can't have deep bass in a car. My theater room is 25ft long yet my measured bass response is 7hz at -3dB. We actually measured the RSL both outdoor groundplane and in-room and both sets of measurements disprove your faulty logic.

@jamiet74 10 месяцев назад

Agreed with Gene, by this logic my tiny home theatre room shouldn't have bass under 60hz. How about headphones ?????? Plus, the Velodyne SMS measurement system is way way below current technology

@samsneediii1793 10 месяцев назад

Does anyone have experience with both the Arendal 1961 1v and the Rsl speedwoofer 12? They are roughly the same size and power and both have the same extension spec. I already have an Arendal I just 🥹want to know would it be a significant upgrade. This extra money is burning a hole in my pocket.🥹

@brucecarter6205 10 месяцев назад

No experience with either, but I think the 1961 1V is the more premium product. More premium build quality and more features. Performance wise they are probably very close.