@@markyeadon7271 hip thrust by the same guy who should have been on the sideline with a red card for the cynical play on Marx - game changing moments indeed...lost all respect for Doris in this game...
Croc roll is more dangerous than a high tackle and with a more immediate impact to gain parity/nullify up front imo. Frizell did the same deliberate move in the WCF. Red card + suspension. "The knee reap is a banned judo submission. It’s when you put pressure on the opponents knee, pushing from outside the knee in towards the inside of the knee. It’s essentially a sideways dislocation of the knee, causing quite extensive ligament damage. In bjj context this usually comes in to play with Ashi Garami. Basically if the foot comes over the hip (if you drew a line straight up from the center of their thigh) you’re starting to reap and it’s illegal in most comps. Of course there are other positions that would result in a reap too. But that’s kind of the standard reap position. The original submission is also an ashi garami position."
WC final. TAS mate here still hasn’t done a break down on that game. There’s a reason, he doesn’t want to be hunted down by his fellow South Africans and kicked out of the country ( if he doesn’t already reside in England, Australia or NZ) .
That knock on near the end of the game was ridiculous, 3 points to SA for nothing, and you're right about the whole game. There's something up with the refereeing lately and tmo it's not up to par.
At this point it’s not lately, only consistence in the referee is every week they find a new way to be sht, it’s impressive at this point but likely because WR spends too much time trying to change rules for no reason rather than train their refs to ref the existing ones.
@@martinwalsh5513 really??? So a red card and a sanction for the double croc roll on Marx??????? Nothing that I have seen from world rugby!!!! Broken leg and still silent because it is a South African. Really don't even bother to reply to me because I won't read it.
Thank you man for all you great work. Lets be honest, the Ref and TMO did make alot of mistakes in this game but it kind of added to the drama of the match. The pace and the massive intinsity and physicality in the game, made it a superb watch. I really enjoyed this one
I think when we watch rugby, we always assume that our boys are sweet little angels who never set a foot wrong. But to each and every supporter who watched the titanic game in Durban Saturday: no your boys were not sweet little angels. Yes, they absolutely were busy with some shithousery.
I think the ref got a bit lost as the hits were coming from all sides . The knock on by the South African they he gave a peno against Ireland was incredible , he was right there
I mean the ref I can understand cause sht happens fast but somehow the TMOs across the board being so sht every week impresses me. You have so much time to look at different angles and still can’t make the right calls, do they just take a shot every time they called upon and are hammered or something ?
@@dreammaker9642in fairness to the tmo I think he tried to tell him but you could hear the ref saying live “I can’t hear you” and then didn’t stop pollard from taking the kick
@@roboconnor8079 yeah but across the board this game would have been better off without him. I’ve refed without a tmo before who’d isn’t easy and we make lots of mistakes but if having the TMO changes nothing then that defeats the purpose don’t it.
@@dreammaker9642 the TMO changed everything in the first test when he came in when he shouldn’t and disallowed James Lowe try. Ireland should go 13-13 with a conversion and momentum they could easily go on to win that first test.
@@davidwalker2402 and don't forget, James was most likely in touch when he flicked the ball back into play that allowed SA to get a try and the tmo never said anything 😔😔
Thank you again for your effort in making these videos. They are certainly unbiased, with each video I am gaining a better understanding of the laws, which make for more enjoyable games. Your videos are deffo educational, I don't understand why some people get emotional by them. keep up the great work. will be back for future videos.
I'm happy with most calls being 'part of rugby' (bar the scrums) but that Croc roll was something else. Marx back in his third game and a DOUBLE croc roll which could be another year out or a career ending injury. It needs a higher sanction and review. How the refs continue to mess up scrums is baffling. I get we don't get many front rowers as refs, but this needs to be an essential part of refereeing courses
So Marx walks away un-injured, the week before an offside and late tackle by snyman puts a man half his size in hospital, maybe rugby has these rules badly wrong . Difference Irish player sent off SA no replays he remains on while the crowd sing and dance mocking the player lying on the ground SHAME…
@@jdgriessel7264 it was a foul under the new rules but the tibia fracture was incidental . It's the pressure put on the knee joint that makes it illegal. If you're calling for all croc rolls to be automatic red it will definitely make the game safer but could alter the game completely. I'd like to know who thinks automatic red. I'm undecided. I don't have the injury stats
Given the dramatic changes in players physical strength and speed, rugby will have to simplify its laws and make things easier for refs or simply go back to the bloody medieval game it originated from
The TMO was completely MIA in that match. We actually remarked at some point during the game that someone should should go do a health check visit and make sure he's still breathing. What's being missed in that final charge-down attempt, is that the player blocking Kolbe shouldn't even have been on the field if the ref and TMO had done their jobs properly with that double croc roll and bunker decision.
Just a point on the Doris yellow card, Etzebeth holds onto Joe McCarthy for 5-10 seconds, and illegally tackling a player off the ball preventing him clearing the ruck, without that the in iincident would not have happened. Ryan is about 8 yards away and would not be involved in the ruck, he is clearly incensed by this and comes in with force. If the ref had blown against Etzebeth, no yellow card would have taken place, Doris stays on and SA don't get the 9 penalty points.
I watched Nigel Owens whistle watch. He basically said the Doris incident was down to referee interpretation. It was looked at by the TMO and the South African team can lodge a complaint if they feel justified. Rassie has not said anything and has said Ireland deserved to win. We (Ireland ) were probably a bit lucky with this decision but we had terrible luck with the Ref and TMO in the first test which could have affected the outcome of that game. Sorry for Marx, I hope he makes a quick recovery.
The Kwagga Smith knock on was probably a knock on. Ref was standing right in front of it. Camera angle doesn't show any hands in the ruck (speculation).
I don't buy that. The TMO is sitting with the perfect angles to check if it's a knock or not. Judging by how Doris's hand is the only hand anywhere near the ball, I would bet money that he knocked it back. Kwagga was in full control throughout the tackle, and as he placed it, it randomly shoots out like that. Kwagga is not someone who complain at the ref, yet he did it multiple times for that. It at least warants a check, because as I stated in the video, if it was indeed the hand of Doris, it's a clear yellow card as he did it a couple of meters from the tryline as SA was on the attack.
What I get from these videos is that there is an infraction on one side or the other about every 3 seconds in every game and it is the referee's herculean job to 1) perceive every incident (impossible) 2) decide the severity and consequences. This is especially difficult as often there are multiple rules being broken simultaneously.
What he is highlighting is that there is an issue with refereeing that needs to be addressed. American football 🏈 has 7 officials, increasing the number of officials or have 1 forward or set piece official and 1 open play or backline official is just 1 option.
Yet another great video by TAS. I rarely agree with every single outcome you present but that’s not the point. It’s great analysis and I like discussing your detailed views with my friend who is a rugby ref. The views and subscribers speak for themselves.
We can all say over the 2 tests , Ireland came off worse from the referee/TMO decisions. Ireland will take more from the tests as they had so many injured/unavailable and new players blooded in. Which is massive going forward. SA will I'm sure see alot leaving panel to retirements or dropped in coming year to prepare for next world cup defence
Great analysis. However, on the last drop goal, the irish player moves to his left to block RG run after the ball is out. Somehow the officials missed this. Is this not obstruction?
There was a video circulating, but the video has a frame taking out that made it look like a kick rather than a drop. It was faked. Watch any other video and it oviously hits the floor.
Look, it's all very close. The Boks are an amazing team and probably the best in the world. There's no point picking on one infringement or the other. We could do the same. The fact is it was a hard game, against two hard teams and the result between both will be on an knife edge for years. Well done SA on a good game.
One thing is for sure - Rugby is just whatever sells and gets people talking. Controlled by TV Rights. Not a gentlemen sport anymore. Replays on TV is something of the past. Someone is trying to control the discussions. Thank you for this channel. At least we can see the stuff again.
I hope all the commenters complaining about bias toward Ireland remember last week's game when there was a 2 try swing in SA's favour due to poor officiating. I'm not sure how you can ref a top level game well. There's too much BS going on from both sides because they know they'll get away with it. They need a bigger TMO team or something.... perhaps they should just have a TMO HQ in a World Rugby building somewhere in the world and just do it remotely with a large team who can watch everything.
There was a two try swing due to Lowe being an idiot. The hoopla around whether his shorts moved is something else. There was no clear eveidence that the ball touched his leg and he clearly released the ball with his right hand before his foot went into touch. Result could only have been the same if ref hadn't made the call and left it up to TMO.
Some Irish fans are hypocrites. This video and the video from last week pointed out ref call or non calls that were inconsistent. Last week the Irish fans had no issue with those debatable calls being shown, instead they were harping on about the late tackle by RG , now Doris and Ryan crocroll Marx, no one says anything. Instead on the very same platform accuse the same guy for complaining when SA loses. The very same thing they were doing last week. Most SA rugby fans would be complaining to the SA team for not showing up on Saturday and perhaps question the wisdom of playing the same side after a taxing match the previous week. So next time you accuse SA fans of whining , just play the video from last week and go to the comments section. Go to the left wing podcast, go to the Virgin media podcast, go to the Irish independent podcast. Some quality whinging going on there. And you can voetsek after that😂😂
Next-level whinging happening on both sides mate. It's only a relatively small group of fans for both teams but Saffas are no angels, you're both as bad as eachother. 😂
Most the Irish fans commenting are saying that they were lucky in that call. I think you should reread the comment section before being so wrong and loud
@@aidieslater8351 , i don’t have time to read all the comments. That’s why I said “SOME Irish fans “ . You are saying “ MOST” Irish fans. Technically, both our statements could be right.. maybe , you should re- read my comment .
@@vuyaniman9440 Don't be so pedantic man, you know what I mean. No, I don;t expect you to read every comment, and noone has neither. I mean, I am sure we can agree that some fans from every country are knobs, because thats just life. So, I don't really understand your perspective at all because it is so vague, if we are going to read things so technically.
@@aidieslater8351 , you don’t have to understand my perspective. Like I said, we are probably both right depending on each of our perspectives. So it’s cool. Cheers.
Nah, if that starts getting called I would stop watching rugby. A fractional swing of the hips, very fractional. I thought he was just bracing a little incase Kolbe hit him.
@aidieslater8351 obstruction is an obstruction regardless of how it affects the game Doris shifted his hips and you cannot tell me it was not intended to slow kolbe
Stop now Rassie. There is any amount of that kind of thing going on in every test match. SA do it too. Time to move on - Ireland won and deservedly so.
Another clown who never bothered to watch and therefore never noticed that SA infringements were also missed or inconsistently reffed! Tw@ts all over YT!
@@RichardNgatago look at last weekends video comments. For the population of Ireland the ratio of complain to the Saffa’s doesn’t even compare. Ireland are a bunch of whiners
Many of the calls are at best borderline. If the ref blew his whistle for every infringement, the game would never flow. We've just got to accept that rugby is such a convoluted game with so many rules that it is almost impossible for a ref and his assistants including the TMO to watch everything in the game.
Thank you for this. Its appalling to think Marx is out again after he could not be in the World Cup team due to injury. A year later and two tests later and he is out again. Targetting the knee clearly in white bandaid landing on it is deliberate imho.
@@davidwalker2402they are every test and every week across the board. At this point I wonder if they just taking shots when they aren’t being called upon
Two extremes in the tests. First got too involved, this one not enough...? Think it's evident plenty of calls were missed both sides. I don't have issues with this
my main bugbear with TMOs if they miss say obvious say hands in the ruck near the sideline, but let the Ref know of a "knock on" in the middle of the field obscured by lots of players, and even with tight camera footage you can't see a knockon - ie yes probably got knocked forward by player in ruck , fallening over as it hits them , but did it actually hit their hands or arms , or just their body or head ,or raked back by opposing players hand . Yet TMO see this 24m away at game speed amongst 10 players in close proximity, and I can't see it on rewind . No Ref is perfect , that's fine , just want consistency on actions and timings . Plus to call those things we all agree on when watching no matter the team you support.
At the start of the video you made a serious of recommendations of yellow cards for Irish players, toward the end you had a montage of SA head high tackles with no recommendations of yellow? Are the head high tackles not yellows in your opinion?
They're not to him because he's a Saffa and thr channel was born out of the ref bashing tradition started by Rassie. This channel is the most biased on RU-vid. He's only objective when the Springboks aren't playing
@@loughrey101 I was waiting for this crap they only post when they get beat, everything is against SA. Ireland never got out of the QF stage so what.COYBIG COYGIG
What about the obstructiion by Ireland every time a high kick was put up by the Boks. As shown very clearly in your last incident. The four or five players should be in the Irish Guards, their alignment and dressing was perfect. Their diving and flopping in and on the mauls is not in the spirit of the game either. Finally, if they don't like being tackled, they should stick (pun intended) to Shinty.
Unfortunately it's legal what they did. You're allowed to run towards the ball, they use that loophole to create a wall. They're not the only team to do it.
there is nothing illegal about standing still in an onside position. Its perfectly legal and not obstruction. They only have to retreat once their teammate has claimed it.
Great insights. Not easy to be a Ref/TMO but still. On balance, taking both tests into account SA defo got their share of 'home' decisions. The Ref/TMO was particularly bad last week (Lowe x 2 and missing Doris try). That said this week the 'Croc Roll' not something you ever want to see, horrifficly dangerous. Never seen 2 players been sent off for one incident, but both foul play, so why not? Kill the game, maybe. Finally the Kolbe's was no 'fall' that cynical 'soccer dive' lost him a lot of respect, trying to get the drop goal reversed. Pity that. Leaving ALL that aside Breathtaking. Amazing for Rugby. SA have very passionate supporters and Ireland too - a privilege to watch these games. Ones for the Ages.
The logic used to deliberate the Marx incident is absolute bollocks and absurd - as is the penalty given. Should 100% have been one red card and one yellow, at the same time. Pick who gets which for yourself. Game- changing moment here which was refereed like a primary school pushcart derby. To add to that, Marx' tibia was fractured here - and he has now been sidelined again...
@@colingibson5966 he was limping from here, but even if you were correct, are you saying the forcible twisting of his leg here had no impact on the injury to same leg? Please.
Nice review as always, problem is some TMO gets to involved for no reason just to give bad judgment calls and some just don't get involve for serious clear and obvious foul play like the tackle shoulder on head contact with force as well as the croc roll on the knee that play was in a dangerous position red card. But we won't see much change from the ref and TMO bad calls
@@PaulOSullivan-iy6kt it was a normal kick and not a drop 🤣🤣🤣 It's not that I'm salty because we lost by making stupid mistakes and playing a different style to previous week but Ireland were also good and didn't give the Boks much space. Still No.1 and back to back WC Champions
@@fxpremium8822 Watch it again and go to Specsavers. He kicked the ball as soon as it touched the ground. Textbook drop goal. This is actually comical to read that saffas don't think it touched the ground 😂
Seems like he let the high tackle go because he feels guilty about the his other biased calls. Wildcard is spot on with his analysis pity he is not a ref.. the officials are suppose to be competent in there job..but its totally the opposite.
Whats your explanation for deleting all the videos you made the last month? It smells of trying to hide that south african lineout cheating that you showed in one of your videos among others???
Thanks for the video again! Scrum penalties are mysterious to most people and they’d be better off flipping a coin! What does concern me and shouldn’t be tolerated is headshots and high tackles being missed. It’s foul play, plain and simple by the laws. Does World Rugby really care about player welfare?
Reffing is very questionable these days - so many calls could go either way - if 50/50 calls went one way, Ireland could have won by more, if they went the other way, SA could have won by 10 points or more. It's sad that we come away from these games unsure of who really should have won, and by how much!
You have spent only about 2 minutes pointing out the dodgy stuff the boks got away with, which the majority of it was foul play, but dedicate most of the vid to criticising Ireland?
If you fall over and you're not on your feet, then you're not part of the ruck. So if we use your perspective, then the ball is out and Marx can't play it on the ground. But if we assume that you're right, then it's another miss by the ref as he allows Ireland to play the ball.
@@tasanalytics Rule 15(2) "A ruck is formed when at least one player from each team are in contact, on their feet and over the ball which is on the ground." www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/law/15 A ruck had been formed when Ox joined and made contact. Once it is formed it doesn't matter if they go off their feet after - at a lot of rucks pretty much all the players are off their feet but because the players have made contact and made it a ruck, the defenders cant play the scrumhalf at a ruck. Marx was the tackled player so he is allowed to place it. He never let it go while the ruck was being cleared by RG. When the Irish 2 had a go at it, because nobody was over the ball the ball was out of the ruck (nobody was "over the ball") and both the Irish 2 and the SA scrumhalf can have a go at it - which they did at the same time.
You say this, yet the ref gifted the oks the first test match to the boks. The first disallowed try should not have been intervened by the TMO according to Nigel Owens
The way these refs saw it was #8 was yellow carded because he was helped by Ryan Baird this you can't put full blame on that player. The ref "No sorry Doris is not fully to blame, because his friend Ryan Baird also helped him therefore he shouldn't get a red card, it should only be yellow"
Referees havent a clue about the scrum. Most scrums aren't stable before the ball goes in. They should have the TMO looking at every scrum in slow motion, but that would ruin the game.
A loose head prop (No 1) will NEVER pull the scrum down. It is his job to keep the scrum open for his hooker and scrum half. The tight head (No 3) might press downwards complicating the job of the opposition hooker and scrum half. It is a huge misconception of refs that a No 1 prop would (pull the scrum down) …
We know Ireland use dirty tactics it all depends if the ref and tmo can see it That dorris yellow card was just the tmo turning blind eye on the big forehead number 5, diving in the ruck, and attempted croc roll.
At 4:52 (your video) that is a tackle not a ruck, TMO not allowed to check knock-ons. You forgot to review the knock back by RSA at 60th minute which should not have allowed a RSA penalty to be kicked.
@@johanbester8109 brilliant query, God I hope someone passes it on .Ref will want to hide from selection when that SA knock on is played back to his face ...and then he ignores the TMO because he cannot hear them when Kicker is in kick prep, muppet.
quite a change in the number of TMO involvements between tests 1 and 2. I know the personnel changed but you have to imagine there was a refereeing discussion around the scope of the TMO. Felt like they were too involved in T1 and not involved enough in T2. There has to be a happy medium somewhere. The brake foot feels like feeding the ball straight at the scrum... they will forget about it by next season. Then it will become a popular thing to penalise again, in a few years and around the roundabout we go again.
Sometimes he pulls down, but most of the highlighted moments he starts pulling towards himself. Malherbe also dropped on his knee on bind call twice and didnt get penalized. I don't see anybody talking about that though.
Trying to understand this based on what you said about the drop goal. Doris stands his ground and steps before the ball is played but Bealham does step to his right after that at 3:55. Wondering how it's interrupted in those situations. In all honesty, if SA wanted to charge that down, Kolbe should have been swapped with PSTD and they had to know it was coming.
Great game, Irish team is really good. South Africa lost their way the last 15 min and let the Irish back in. Great drop goals, really excellent. The ref and TMO were the ones underperforming today. Irish got away with e few crucial calls that wen their way but that's the game.
Everyone is an armchair ref these days… It was a great game played by two excellent teams. Either could have won it.. and with the final kick Ireland stole it with a superb play. South Africa’s game was excellent but the better team won it. The refs did a good job.
A drop kick in rugby union is a type of kick that involves someone dropping a ball and then kicking when it hits the ground, in contrast to a punt wherein the dropper kicks the ball without letting it hit the ground first.[1] In rugby union, a drop kick is used for the kick-off and restarts and to score a field or drop goal.
Watch it again and go to Specsavers. He kicked the ball as soon as it touched the ground. Textbook drop goal. Jesus Christ it's like talking to a disabled child
Doris got yellow carded so I don't know why this is being made into such a big deal. It was more akward than malicious and he got punished for it. Crazy expecting a red and a yellow card. No point playing the game if that was the case.
Given that Wiese got that ridiculous ban in the English league for nothing; once they put a NH ref from England in charge of the game it was always going to be a fix-up.
The officials were absolutely trash, and they got even worse from the 1st test, the tmo did not do his job neither did the side refs. However, SA did not capitalize on tries, and at the end of the day that is what wins matches, was my blood boiling watching this game yes, but both at the officials, the absolutely absurd amount of foul plays, and the entirw first half of SA's game, well done to ireland, they did what we couldnt and that is get a try, we had chances and opted for kicks.
overall the referring was actually quite good on the day. You are splitting hairs in most of this and you can't expect them to get everything right, rugby is too complicated and fast paced. I think the major decisions were correct and the game was won by the better team on the day. so why complain about it?
I thought so too, but the referee seemed to be making new rules up as the game went along, like the accidental offside which didn't touch an Irish player. I still haven't seen a definitive angle on it, but I thought it hit the foot without touching the ground.
Good balanced video. You avoided the blatant wrong 'knock on' call on SAs last kick, that should have unfairly won them the game. Ref and TMO were probably right to let the 'on the edge' physicality go with both sides at it. The only definite card was picked up. Correct about two yellows but they are never given.
I've never seen props try pull a scrum down as much as. Ireland were terrified to complete a scrum so decided a 50/50 call for collapsing was better than backpedaling with 100% chance of a penalty against them. Clever, I guess, should the touch judges have seen it all series? Yeah, was very obvious.
This ref has a nightmare in every English premiership game he handles he is not up to international standards and should be dropped for any future games he is a joke
There's quite a few logical flaws in this video, you're using a lot of strawman arguments which aren't totally fair, like for the first point, it's clear that the Ireland 5 would have made a perfectly legal hit had the original guy not done the croc roll, it was never foul play until the SA player was put off balance by the Ireland 8, that's why it's important to identify what happened first
Since when is it legal to dive into a ruck off your feet? There is no strawman arguments. It's a dirty act by Ireland 5 and I call it out just like I called out RG Snyman last week vir his hit.
Honestly though good analysis though I don’t agree I appreciate the last video you made so I know you aren’t biased at all you are just doing your thing on RU-vid.
Great video. Two certainties can be taken. 1) Dickson is not up to the task of refereeing international level, nor the TMO on the day. 2) these are intelligent professionals who will play to the ref. The game became chaotic and so many laws broken because of Dicksons inconsistencies. Examples being the brake foot, for both teams, and Big Joe taking the man out beyond the ruck. These weren't just done in the moment. Chances are they noticed in previously plays that their marginal timing was overlooked, and so they push it further
On thing I've noticed with Taz is they only show things from a South African perspective so it's really biased pretending to be objective when really it propaganda 🙄🙄😔😔
Ireland played “99 ball” in this match something necessary and lacking from the week before when Snyman and others were allowed to pick on Irish players with impunity.
