Rulings you NEED to catch about S:P Little Knight 

Game needs CONSISTENCY across the board

​@ygolocals7672 Whats not consistent?

Yes one of my favorite moves

Here's another tip: if you manage to flip it face down in defense, then flip it back on your next turn, you're able to use the omni negate again. Apparently, it was flipped summoned.

​@@leemay3097It is flipped AND Special Summoned. This is important for effect that consider that (Ex. Floowandereeze Empen.)

​@@leemay3097It's even more fun than that. If you manage to flip it on the same turn, you get to overcome the once-per-turn restriction

Only for the pop and reborn, not for the negate

just pull it 4head

Jokes aside it’s still good to know so you don’t get cheered by an opponent using it

Yeah! Don't let those rich players get away with it!@@Daniel-qy4di @trulysavage9979

I didn’t think I would ever have one then I pulled one out of tournement entry packs.

Have faith bro. You’ll pull one from a pack ;)

I guess, but the point was the equip is like Rondo, but I dont wanna add noise to the field.

Tom knew that snatch steal was getting unbanned. He knew what he was doing.

@@ytfsrose1588 🫨 Youre right!

At 1 now sucka!

@@hash-tag-aecg7087 My comment didnt age well lol

As a real ygo player, I'll always attack directly after banishing 2 of my opponent's monsters :)

2 Effect Monsters If this card is Link Summoned using a Fusion, Synchro, Xyz, or Link Monster as material: You can target 1 card on the field or in either GY; banish it, also your monsters cannot attack directly this turn. When your opponent activates a card or effect (Quick Effect): You can target 2 face-up monsters on the field, including a monster you control; banish both until the End Phase. You can only use each effect of "S:P Little Knight" once per turn.

The banished card would still know Change of Heart stopped applying and switch control immeadeatly upon returning, if that makes sense.

The main reasoning which again wasn't explained well is that the "also" conjuction in function is the same as "for the rest of this turn," in this context. This is because the restriction is an effect and effects cannot be applied retroactively - think Called By vs Shifter/Droll that has already resolved. This is different to a condition, such as Branded Fusion which says "You cannot summon from the Extra Deck except Fusion Monsters the turn you activate this card." This is a pre-requisite condition for the card to be activated - no synchro/xyz/link/pendulum monsters have been summoned this turn and cannot be summoned afterwards. SP on the other hand applies an effect to banish and "also," simultaneously applies an effect that monsters cannot attack directly. But monsters that have already attacked were not yet under that effect at the time they attacked.

Idk if this is what your saying but this weekend somebody banished my traptrix trap monster and it was allowed to come back. In the text it says “ not treated as a trap card”

it only has that effect when it was activated. When it returns to the field, it forgets it was special summoned as a monster, realizes it's not supposed to be in monster zone and goes to the grave. @@MugetsuKurosaki92

If it was a separate sentence like in Prosperity/Extrav, then this restriction applies for the entire turn (before and after activation). This case is a little weird because I remember some translations having "for the rest of this turn" unlike the TCG official version, even in the database. This could be a minor mistranslation like with the Altergeist cards originally. Anyway, the card should work as Tombox said and not how it was ruled at your regionals (although I don't blame them since the wording justifies their action)

That is a mistake, it is not a condition… it is an effect. I had to triple check that one with fellow judges and experts, but it’s an effect not a condition. You should read it as for the rest of the turn to make it more simple

The moment it comes back, it goes back to the opponent. Temporary control is no longer applying so you cannot keep it

I believe the answer is both players will get the card banished back in the end phase then the temp control effects also ends and because all the zones are full it goes to the graveyard. Basically both cards go to their respective board sides then control of it is returned to whomever should be controlling it.

Yes, considering he mentioned it also applies to Mind Control and Enemy Controller. If it's a temporary control effect, it goes back to the opponent. There aren't really "chains" here. Change of Heart expires and S:P Little Knight returns the monsters. The monster that was taken by Change of Heart, no matter the order, goes "Oh, I belong to Player B, not you because Change of Heart is no longer applying," and heads across the table to its proper owner.

I was going to make a comment about this.

Sent to GY before it can return the opponents side

"You cannot conduct your Battle Phase the turn you activate this effect. " Anything that mentions "The turn you activate this efffect" = condition

Thank you Mr. Box 📦

Because you are not resummoning, you are returning a card to the field.

The monster will automatically go to the GY before any actions can take place due to the nature of continuous effects, yes.

You can choose the zone your monster comes back to, same for your opponent

@@nh6574 yeah but who choses first?

@@lucadenti7450 When choosing simultaneously turn player always goes first iirc

**** in instances where mothman triggers, the player that activated the effect to draw and discard resolves first no?

@@nh6574 This is correct. Always the turn player resolves first their cards. A common practice (i guess due to how simulators work) with cards like "Dark World Dealings" is hiding what you discard until the opponent picks their own card. This is incorrect, since the turn player has to discard first, giving the opponent the opportunity to decide their own discard based on that knowledge.

If Purrely CL2 Noir spun back the one of hte Targets, (not little knight specifically) then Little Knight does resolve with noe effect.

Mikanko rondo

SP will return to the field

You choose main monster zone.

In the Mirror Force example, he is using the On Summon effect from using a Link mosnter.

Face-downs will still get banished because S:P only needs to target a face-up monsters to activate; they do not need to be face-up to resolve. If it said "banish both targets" instead of "banish both", then you would be correct in that it would lose its target.

the bom monster would be banished face down and then returned to the field later as well, you just can't target it. S:P does not state the word "target" in the resolution (Ie it doesn't say banish both "targets" untl the endphase) if it did, then it will not banish. Since it only says Banish Both we continue to resolve.

If S:P said If this card is Link Summoned using a Fusion, Synchro, Xyz, or Link Monster as material: You can target 1 card on the field or in either GY; banish it. Your monsters cannot attack directly the turn you activate this effect. You would be correct but the wording just means after this effect resolves you cannot attacks directly for the rest of the turn.

My understanding is as follows: It depends. If it was a "applies before and after activation" restriction, like Branded Fusion's "Fusion locked" restriction, then it would be a separate sentence with no cost attached. Because it comes after the ";" semicolon it is part of the effect. Also because it uses the "also" conjunction, the card attempts to resolve as much as possible, rather than resolving without effect. If Little Knight read "If this card is Link Summoned using a Fusion, Synchro, Xyz, or Link Monster as material: You can target 1 card on the field or in either GY, also your monsters cannot attack directly this turn; banish it." Then you would have to abide by the "no direct attacking" restriction as part of the cost.

It was meant to be rondo… but I didn’t want to animate Mikanko board

When you return the monster and the monster cannot be on the field? Send it to the GY after it goes to the side that doesn’t meet the effects of the floodgates.

Because in Case 4: The monster is under permanent control. There is no applied effect keeping them on the opponent's side. Its like someone uses monster reborn takes your Monster, then uses interdimensional transporter to temp banish it. Whose side of the field does it return to? The controller. Rescue's reborn effect isn't temporary, its just literally a monster reborn. There is No effect that results in "Taking control of that monster" All thre ever was is special summon a monster from a GY.

@@MSTTV I understand that part the target switched control permanantly, however if it resolves like this isn't it the same as saying that "if i use Monster reborn or rescue's!, even if the mosnter was sent to the greaveyard, that monster goes to my graveyard and not the original owner ?" This resolution in Rescue/Reborn is kind tricky.

TLDR; it should stay on the field. We had Borreload Dragon VS Farfa's (Interdimensional Matter Transporter) target that immediately gets sent to the GY after returning from the temporary banishment, but this has been reversed and the monster just returns and nothing else happens, so i assume Leap works the same way and the monster isn't returned to the extra.

Your SP won’t resolve the effect to banish in that case (edit)

@@MSTTVthank you 🙏

Idk about the first one, but you can choose when their effects resolve during the end phase so you can resolve redoer first to summon it back so you can choose.

SP has an official ruling with Kaiser Coliseum regarding a similar scenario (tho not quite the same), based on it it seems like one would go to GY and the other to the field. Makes sense since the effect is to banish "both", but it doesnt say "return both", which is why the floo interaction works the way it works

While both will attempt to return at the same time, you have to select zones individually (where they will be placed). Since this is an activated effect it will try to resolve as much as possible, so your first choice will stay on the field while the second banished monster will be sent to the GY by game mechanics. About Redoer + SP, you may resolve them in the sequence you prefer.

To my knowledge yes. This isn’t temporary control.

@@MSTTV welp, I screwed myself last week at locals then. Thanks for the nugget of wisdom Mr. Tombox!

Not Tombox but AFAIK yes, it would be negated.

@@nh6574 see I thought so. But I’m also no judge and my opponents come at me with “it’s a condition, not an effect” and it gets confusing

@@Harrowing999Yugipedia is a good tool for that. It lists the types of effects the card has under "effect types". For Amritara it says that the name change effect is a continuous effect, not a condition.

it hasnt been officially updated for tcg yet

Because its OCG not TCG

My understanding is TCG almost never gets rulings updates (last one i know of being in 2021) and most TCG judges go by OCG rulings whenever there isnt an official TCG ruling, which is 98%+ of the time. If I'm not mistaken, the very reason this interaction has previously been ruled the way it has been was because of OCG rulings, not because there was ever a TCG ruling indicating how to deal with control switch scenarios.

For chaos angel it will remember, but chaos angel can’t get banished with both… as it would be unaffected…

@@MSTTV It's why I mentioned your own Chaos Angel, if banished with your S:P Little Knight. The unaffected is only by your opponent's monster effects.

Little Knight's is part of the effect while Cross Crusader is a separate restriction. Basically you need to look out for something like "you cannot do X the turn you *activate* this card('s effects)"

No because the temp removal is caused by little knight , but why robina doesn’t come back because during removal it removed itself

Thanks

A card has to have as many effects as The Winged Dragon of Ra did in the anime to be worth playing anymore. At least she's not a Pendulum!

you don’t understand simple economics if you think it’s vendors are price gouging and set market price. it’s literally supply and demand setting its price, everyone WANTS and is WILLING to pay absurd prices for this card because it’s a competitively ground breaking card. if you’re gonna get mad at anyone, get mad at konami for not printing a ground breaking card in common, rare or super.

No because robina banished itself at the resolution of SPs effect where was raigeki break sp was destroyed removing the target thus removing both did not occur

Thanks

You must successfully be able to remove both from the field til the end of the turn. So its considered 1 action. If you were able to apply the effect, the monster is "banished til the end phase" and not just banished

@@MSTTV So in the first example, if S:P Little Knight's text instead read banish both face-down until the end of the turn, would the lingering effect of Robina prevent you from banishing both, and subsequently prevent Robina from coming back?

@@thegreatbambino3358 applying the effect causes robina to remove itself by its own effect, but we were able to remove them. Both monsters technically are affected by S:P. Therefore we were able to apply the effect. Anything that happens to the monster post effect doesn’t change that S:P successfully resolved her effect to banish til the end phase. However, there were a few parts that got overridden during and post resolution. Robina’s self banishing is applied only when it is removed from field, it technically upon being removed applied its own effect while the monster banished by S:P still got banished til the end phase. Therefore, the owners monster returns because it fully applied S:P’s effect, and the Robina overrides S:P banish via its own Banish while resolving the effect of S:P, so it got removed by S:P but got rerouted via its own effect and stays banished. Does that make sense? TLDR, if the monster can be affected and be removed from field we will apply as much as possible and care about the overrides after. Only when the monster cannot be removed (cannot be banished or unaffected) or is already gone before resolution would the effect fail to apply the effect.

Because, it’s not a condition. It’s an effect. If it was a condition it would just say, you cannot activate this effect if you attacked directly. Usually on a separate line too. This one uses an also conjunction to join it, 100% making it an effect. You can also check database, the OCG original card text, ask a judge.

@@MSTTV which is why there is no reason to have it even say that in the first place if it doesn't have to abide by its own effect. This is like another "because konami said so"

read things like Transcode Talker or Lava Golem and see how much the text/wording changes when “also” is added. If it said “-banish it. Your monsters cannot attack the turn you activate this effect.” it would be different than how it’s stated in the card.

Its an effect. NOT a condition.

@@MSTTV I went over the MP2 part of that discussion, my bad 😂 I thought this was prior to battle but you are correct in regards to MP2 being able to banish due to the wording. Apologies for the confusion