Runway incursion. Republic Embraer E175 entered wrong runway at Washington Reagan Airport. Real ATC

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THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
07-MAR-2023. A Republic Airways Embraer E175LR (E75L), registration N401YX, performing flight RPA4736 / YX4736 from Washington Reagan National Airport, DC (USA) to Raleigh-Durham International Airport, NC (USA) during taxi was instructed to cross runway 4 at taxiway J but the airplane turned on taxiway F and entered runway 1. Meanwhile a United Airbus A319, registration N819UA, started take-off from runway 1. The Tower controller noticed that and canceled take-off clearance. The landing airplane was instructed to go around from altitude 500 feet.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Description of situation
00:17 Start of taxi
00:49 Wrong turn
01:06 Runway incursion
02:20 Brickyard 4736 contacted Tower controller
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@bluehorseshoe9216 Год назад

controller set them up for failure, but we have to crosscheck better. Fatigue is probably playing a big role in all these. The trips are getting more and more fatiguing. FAR 117 was supposed to help, and in some ways it did. In other ways the trips are worse from a fatigue standpoint. I am sure ATC is having the same issues.

@saxmanb777 Год назад

This is on ground control mostly. They assigned them 33 for takeoff and hold short of 1 at F. The ground tells them to cross 4 at J. The pilots just heard cross and didn’t realize they were crossing the wrong runway. Expectation bias strikes again.

@SMC99 Год назад

Definitely expectation bias. Also, anyone familiar with DCA knows that it is an extremely fast paced airport and any runway clearances must be executed without delay. For example, at the time when this occurred, there were about a dozen arrivals lined up on approach and a queue for takeoff. They heard instructions to cross RWY 4 and did so, but at the wrong intersection (F instead of J). Just thinking from a human perspective here, they probably wanted to get across the runway as soon as possible and didn't reaffirm the clearance with tower to not delay the sequence. After all, they were going to RWY 33 and this was their route, so in they're minds they're probably thinking "oh, he means F". Then ATC has to repeat himself, and now they're rushed and probably ended up catching a case of "Hurry-Up Syndrome". Not saying that this isn't a mistake, but psychologically I can see how it can happen. edit: a word

@billybuttons4298 Год назад

NOT on ground control mostly. On the pilots. Expectation bias like you said....lands on the pilots. They read back instructions and did something completely different.

@scottlenahan8228 Год назад

@@billybuttons4298 It starts with the controller. Pilots have to catch the mistake, but I guarantee the controller forgot he sent them to 33, not 1.. On the route given, they cannot cross 4 at Juliet. When you hear a crossing clearance holding short where you were supposed to be, it’s going to be a decent chance the pilots don’t catch the mistake. Being given the wrong clearance doesn’t put it fully on the pilots by any means.

@thomasaltruda Год назад

Ground definitely holds some responsibility, but they weren’t cleared to cross 1. Brickyard should have queried ground and holds some responsibility for sure. Ugly situation..

@Spyke-lz2hl Год назад

I don’t put this on the controller. The republic pilots should have known where they were, what they were supposed to be doing vs what they were instructed and recognized that didn’t make any sense.

@jonespy9508 Год назад

I was ready to blame the pilot of the e175 100% but then realized that they were following the initial taxi clearance. Ground controller didn't notify them of change in runway or instructions, and the pilots didn't catch the change. Certainly fault on both parts.

@st.johnschuckatuck8429 Год назад

The problem is, the pilot is at fault for not following directions. If there is a change from the initial clearance he needs to clarify. Otherwise this happens. 100% preventable if the E175 pilot doesn't cross RWY 1.

@billybuttons4298 Год назад

The Republic crew was 100% at fault. They received instructions, read back those instructions verbatim and did something totally different.

@navy_flyer2331 Год назад

The crew unfortunately will be 100% culpable since they technically crossed a runway they weren't cleared to.... BUUUT ATC screwed up big time and set the crew up for failure. Not only did they emphasize there was a runway change, they didn't specify the runway in the new taxi instructions (required when issuing a taxi clearance, in this case because it was a new runway being issued from the original clearance). While everyone may pile on the crew and blame them... why not focus on making things better and not throwing pilots under the bus with a "GOTCHA!" situation. ATC failed here, even if the ultimate responsibility for the deviation lies with the pilots.

@jqxok Год назад

> I was ready to blame the pilot of the e175 100% but then realized that they were following the initial taxi clearance. These are the clearances they were given: #1: "Runway 33, taxi via N, J, F, hold short of 1." #2: "Cross 4 at J, monitor Tower." The E175 crew read back the clearances correctly in both cases. What they executed was crossing Runway 1 at F, without ever having a clearance to do so. It appears both made errors: The controller for not clarifying that the runway assignment had changed and the E175 crew for crossing Runway 1 without being cleared to do so. It is also possible that the controller was confused and issued the original clearance in error, and then thought he had cleared the aircraft to Runway 1 all along. Without seeing the results of the investigation, it's hard to fully judge.

@efoxxok7478 Год назад

From 30 years of experience in the FAA as a controller. The cross RWY 4 instruction was a change, but the pilot read it back and did something different. His responsibility was to question the call if it was different than previously told to expect. By accepting the call then doing the wrong thing he has in fact had a pilot deviation. Sorry, the controllers did a confusing thing, but the pilot wil be at fault. Lesson, always verify your clearance with previous clearances and expectations, and always question if they don’t add up.

@nolanrussell518 Год назад

He technically still crossed 4, but the omission of the runway of runway 1 and the Juliet instruction instead of foxtrot should have raised some flags.

@billybuttons4298 Год назад

@@nolanrussell518 This is one of the most idiotic comments ever. "He technically crossed 4." Okay cool...he happened to cross 4 while doing everything wrong and contrary to the instruction that he got, and not to mention, read back. Moronic comment.

@kevinbaslee3262 Год назад

Shouldn't ground control have told them that there was a taxi clearance change? They were cleared to Rwy 33 and would not be expecting to be crossing Rwy 4 @ J to get to 33. They were already holding short of 4 @ F as they had been instructed to do. I do understand that they read back the clearance and proceeded to do something different, but I can't see how some of the responsibility doesn't get placed on ground control. Just my thoughts. I have no experience as a controller, just a low time CFI trying to use some common sense.

@MikeGranby Год назад

Yeah, it’ll fall on the pilots. It nearly always does, and I guess that’s right if you want to maintain standards. But once again, ATC setup an ill-conditioned situation here with contradictory instructions. Yeah, the pilots should catch that, but let’s not let the first hole in the Swiss cheese entirely off the hook…

@navy_flyer2331 Год назад

THIS! It's the pilot's fault for the deviation, but ATC screwed up big time with the confusing omission of a runway change. So while ATC may not be at fault, they need to do better in the future, from a human factors perspective of avoiding these types of incursions. It isn't about who's at fault: it's about safety and preventing this from happening in the future.

@tristantriton8115 Год назад

Wouldn't be surprised if the FAA implements a new procedure for planes to cross an active runway that has a plane on that runway or landing on that runway, the current procedures is proving to no longer be adequate enough. EFB's need to have a better live tracking airport diagram for pilots to be more aware of their surroundings. With the influx of new pilots after covid we need new measures to avoid more spikes in incursions.

@RaineStudio Год назад

You can't really let the pilots off the hook here. Yes, ground should have highlighted the change, but the pilots have no excuse for not catching it and requesting confirmation.

@omisokaomisokas5095 Год назад

A confusion all around, first atc seemed to lost the fact that they were suppose to taxi to rwy 33 (the initial clearance) and then cleared him to cross rwy4 as if he was planning to take off on rwy1. Still, his instructions were not putting him on harm's way. Again, I think a confirmation bias issue made the embraer crew cross at F towards rwy 33, their initial instructions. Situational awareness failed here, they should've stop the plane and double check the instructions with atc. When in doubt, don't. A lesson to learn because it could happen to all of us.

@judgemarshall6127 Год назад

🎯

@featuredview6546 Год назад

Okay but brickyard was explicitly told cross 4 at J takes 2 to tango😢

@omisokaomisokas5095 Год назад

@@featuredview6546 No doubt, the controller also has a piece of the cake and he instructed them to cross rwy 4 at J, but again, that instruction did not put them in harm's way, however that was not the initial clearance instruction and it added to the confusion inside the flight deck. The Embraer crew apparently fell into the confirmation bias syndrome, which unfortunately seems to be more and more frequent these days, they were determined in their minds to cross rwy 4 at F. We are all humans and mistakes are part of us, hence the "human factor", but I still believe whenever you are not sure about an instruction, double check. "Ground, you want us to cross 4 at J instead of F?" At the end of the day, it's not about looking for guilty parties, it's about stopping the Swiss cheese model in time in real time, have the situational awareness and being laser focus during the busy stages will improve our chances of not getting ourselves in bad situations.

@bangersallday Год назад

That's a tough one for the pilots but they still should have caught the runway crossing clearance was for 4 and not 1. Taxi instructions to 33, the box was setup for 33 and then they throw in a runway 4 crossing to runway 1 at the last second. Equal blame all around? maybe...

@gavinsingh4450 Год назад

Equal blame, yes!!!

@judgemarshall6127 Год назад

@@gavinsingh4450 I certainly think so. ✈

@jimziemer9826 Год назад

ATC lead them down this path.

@gavinsingh4450 Год назад

@@jimziemer9826 Yeah, but the Crew still bears a large share of that blame!

@jimziemer9826 Год назад

@@gavinsingh4450 Yes, they should have caught the crossing clearance.

@OfficialSamuelC Год назад

Look left look right… regardless of any clearance.

@keptquiet Год назад

Two things about this incursion are frustrating. One, the reenactment doesn't show whether the RPA actually turned left at Foxtrot and was already holding short of 01 when he received the clearance to cross 04 at Juliet. The animation makes it look like the RPA never turned onto Foxtrot and thus should have continued on Juliet to cross 04 but INSTEAD made the left turn onto Fox AFTER getting the updated clearance. But is that actually what happened? Second, if the RPA was already holding short of 01 on Foxtrot, I can see why the clearance to cross 04 could be interpreted as a SIMULTANEOUS clearance to cross 01 followed by 04. If he's already on Foxtrot holding short of 01, how's he supposed to get back onto Juliet? He'd have to enter 01-19 and taxi for ~750m in order to make a left back onto Juliet. Either way, RPA is gonna bear the brunt of the blame for reading back "cross 04 at Juliet" and then proceeding on Foxtrot but if he was already on Foxtrot I can see why he lost situational awareness here. Ultimately, the taxiing SOP at KDCA seems like a huge part of the problem. Glancing at the charts, sending any departing plane to RW33 via Juliet - Foxtrot looks like a recipe for disaster, especially if the airport can turn from 33 to 01 this quickly. For starters, it appears there isn't enough room to cross 01 on Foxtrot and hold short of 04. You'd have no choice but to cross 04 in order to get clear of 01. I'm very curious how often ATC clears pilots departing on 33 to cross BOTH 01 and 04 simultaneously? This could easily lead to the kind of expectation bias that might lead a pilot (like the RPA pilot in this case) to hear "cross 04" and assume it implicitly includes clearance to cross 01 first. Another problem with taxiing on Juliet - Foxtrot - RW33 is that you can't merely cross 04 to stay on Fox. In reality, one would have to enter 04 briefly in order to continue to RW33. Objectively, Juliet - Golf - Hotel - Foxtrot - RW33 makes way more sense, but the intersection of G-G1-H is listed as HS3 so I get why ATC might avoid it. But if J-F-33 is SOP, it's maddening that Jeppesen hasn't listed this as another hot spot. Looks like a good candidate for HS5 on the next AIRAC cycle, especially after this incident.

@a_goblue2023 Год назад

I live in the DC area and am familiar with the usual ground movements at KDCA. The past few days we have had strong winds outta the northwest which is why some planes have been departing and landing 33. It’s only 5000ft so it’s not used that often. The ground controller initial tells them to taxi to 33 and hold short runway 1 at F. The usual clearance is to taxi to runway 1 via J, cross 4 at J. He told that to Brickyard, mistaking that he had given them 33 and not 1. So tower was wrong but also the crew was wrong because they were not clear to cross Runway 1 and they crossed Runway 1 and 4 at F and not J. Bad situation in general and glad that a accident was avoided

@sb859 Год назад

ATC gave them the wrong twy and rwy clearance, and Brickyard was expecting to be cleared to cross rwy 1, so they both screwed up.

@jamescollier3 Год назад

no. they said cross 4 at J

@N942UW Год назад

@@jamescollier3The initial taxi clearance was to Rwy 33. Hold short of 1 at Foxtrot.

@judgemarshall6127 Год назад

🎯 Exactly ✈

@BLAMBERRY Год назад

@@N942UWif there was confusion there should have been clarification PRIOR to movement.

@user-pf5xq3lq8i Год назад

Yeah, keyword "initial". Things change, that's why you write the taxi route on your kneeboard. When the next controller says route again, you look at your kneeboard to check it's not changed. This pilot failed to Read during s readback task. Strangely revealing he is a parrot. He just repeats what comes in his ear. How long has he been a dangerous Parrott? Who knows. Ground the dummy until he learns the basics all over again.

@judgemarshall6127 Год назад

Most definitely Expectation Bias from Brickyard Crew perspective (anticipating RWY 33) additionally the nonconformance uttering and instructions by ATC who Xs 2 uttered "Cross 4 Delay Monn Tower" as expecting by BY 4136 to instantly know that they're being reassigned to another Runway. Somebodys got some Splaining to do.... Former Brickyard Driver. 🤔👨🏽‍✈️✈🌍

@user-pf5xq3lq8i Год назад

Expectation bias combined with failure to *Read*back. He talkedback what came in his ear like a parrot. He didn't look down at his kneeboard to readback what it said there. Failed to read during readback. Should have his license torn up and start again at groundschool. I'm disgusted by the quality of readback procedure.

@analogman9697 Год назад

Any pilots out there find things more out of sorts than they were two years ago? Seems like a big uptick in runway incursions and unobeyed calls from ATC. Just an interested observer here.

@casperthegm741 Год назад

I'd be curious to hear from a pilot as well. A lot of people are saying we're just hearing about these incidents more often because of channels like this, but it seems hard to believe that it's been like this all along. And if it really was this bad all along, that it's taken until now for the FAA to get together and hold a summit to discuss the issues.

@crairdin Год назад

I don't have any stats but I'll make a couple observations... Nobody was hurt and no property was damaged. This incident wouldn't have shown up on the evening news had it happened back when anyone cared about the evening news. There's more visibility now via channels like this one and with the 24/7 cable news networks trolling the Web for anything resembling a story. It can be argued that the system worked properly - when a human error occurred (a very understandable one, given the last-second change of the taxi clearance), other humans (both the pilot of the departing aircraft and the tower controller) noticed immediately and made adjustments. The pilot on final was instructed to go around, which I'm sure he would have done anyway once he got closer and realized the departing aircraft wasn't departing. In other words, as terrifying as this all looks, there's virtually nothing to see here. No harm no foul. Everyone should make a note to think hard about their taxi clearances and be aware of traffic around them, even/especially on the ground. Lessons learned. Moving on.

@jonathonjankovich2362 Год назад

I wonder if we simply are adding way more flights to facilities that are already saturated.

@analogman9697 Год назад

@@jonathonjankovich2362 I look at South Fla and the NE...how does anyone fly or call traffic in that density? My hat's off to 'em for even trying.

@JonathanRockway Год назад

@@crairdin All of that said, things get scary when visibility is too low to notice that this is happening. It's nice that low visibility is relatively rare, but the system isn't really set up to handle those situations well quite yet.

@pppeeettteeerrr Год назад

Ground instructed them to hold short of RWY1 at F and while behind the hold short line at 33 the aircraft was instructed them to Cross RWY 33 at J

@paddyohenry6428 Год назад

I blame the controller here. He gave N, J, F initially. He should have then said "continue on J, cleared across runway 4."

@BLAMBERRY Год назад

He assigned rwy33 initially then clearly advised brickyard to cross rwy 4 at j. If there was any question as to why they were told to taxi away from assigned runway they could have asked before proceeding to move. This aint on the controller.

@Soon2BRev Год назад

Pilot repeat back to cross RWY 4 not RWY 1. He clearly crossed RWY 1. Even if it wasn't what he expected, his acknowledgement of the order places the blame on him. If he's confused he doesn't move.

@billybuttons4298 Год назад

Blame the pilots. The controller gave instructions. The pilot read back the instruction verbatim. Yet did something completely different.

@user-pf5xq3lq8i Год назад

The only explanation is that the pilot doesnt know how to readback. The clue is in the name *read* back. Not TalkBack like a parrot. *Read* what is written on the kneeboard. If there is a conflict then he should ask for clarity. The trouble with having all these screens to stare at means he isn't writing his taxi route down on his kneeboard and checking it. He is just being a parrot, repeating what comes in his ear. He should have his license torn up and sent back to ground school to start again. Im disgusted with the quality of piloting.

@jim2lane Год назад

Brickyard's clearance was to cross runway 4 at Juliet NOT to cross runway 1 at Foxtrot as he proceeded to do

@jaysmith1408 8 месяцев назад

But was nearly simultaneously crossing 4 on Foxtrot

@sethlaurin6683 Год назад

I the beginning ATC assigned Brickyard 4736 to taxi to Rwy 33 via NFJ. The next clearance from ATC was cross Rwy 4 on taxiway J. Just an odd way to get to Rwy 33 unless they were reassigned to Rwy 1? I listened 3 times and still perplexed. Thanks VASA for another scary, yet informative video.

@jonbuilds Год назад

Initial taxi for 4736 was NJF (rather then NFJ). That's why there are so many comments here about expectation bias; they turned left on F per initial directions (straight across 1) despite 2nd controller telling them to cross 4 at J.

@milestoneconsulting3261 Год назад

This incursion is a result of loss of situational awareness by the ground controller and the failure of the pilots to contain the error.

@critthought2866 Год назад

The controller who gave the instruction said Juliet so quickly if I wasn't reading it on screen I wouldn't have known what he said. I know the pilot got it, because the read back was correct, but that instruction was not as clear as it should have been.

@billybuttons4298 Год назад

So what you're saying is that you couldn't understand what the controller said. You, who I assume isn't a pilot or at least not a 121 pilot, didn't understand the controller. Since you didn't understand, the instructions weren't clear. The pilot, who is an actual pilot, understood the controller. Because guess what...he's a pilot. The instructions were clear for anyone who actually does this professionally. He understood the instructions and read them back verbatim. Just because you, a casual observer, doesn't understand doesn't mean pros don't understand.

@critthought2866 Год назад

@@billybuttons4298 So you just decided to repeat exactly what I wrote, but ratchet up the snark to 10. Wow, what an impressive display. You should be truly proud of yourself.

@user-pf5xq3lq8i Год назад

Poor communication has been called out before by pilots, there is one video where the pilot asks for clearer communications with a JFK controllers: "clea lad". He made him say it 3 times until he said "cleared to land". Good. In this instance he simply talkedback the route, instead if reading it back off his kneeboard. Completely unacceptable. A complete failure to *read* during a readback. He should have his license torn up.

@jaysmith1408 8 месяцев назад

Key detail, they crossed both 1 and 4, at the intersection of F, 4, and 1. When crossing at the intersection, if you were cleared to cross one, it would be strange (looking at it from their perspective) to not be cleared to cross the other.

@jhmcd2 Год назад

Okay, they were distracted. I was based out of DCA for years (ironically I flew that exact tail number a few times) and never made that mistake. Glad tower caught that.

@JohnSmith-zi9or Год назад

You have no idea whether they were distracted or not. We're glad you never made that mistake. People make mistakes. Confirmation and/or expectation bias is a son of a bitch.

@jhmcd2 Год назад

@@JohnSmith-zi9or I know because I've been at that intersection. It's clearly marked and hard to get confused. I think the only time we got confused at National at that intersection was during low visibility situations. DCA is a pretty easy airport to navigate when you are paying attention. But saying that they were distracted is what often leads to confirnational bias because you are not paying attention. You are just accepting that what is in front of you is what you need without trying to verify it.

@JohnSmith-zi9or Год назад

@@jhmcd2 Your comment makes no sense. They were expecting to cross their becasue of their previous taxi instructions and runway assignment. When the clearance came, they didn't catch the nuances of the runway to cross or at which taxiway.

@jhmcd2 Год назад

@@JohnSmith-zi9or Of course you would think that. But I am going to take my ten years of Aviation safety knowledge over you angry guy on RU-vid who has to be right and keep on going.

@JohnSmith-zi9or Год назад

@@jhmcd2 Then you should know that you don't speculate until we know the FACTS. Suggesting they were distracted is just a damn guess on your part. Assuming the FAA gets their hands on the cockpit voice recorder (good luck), what would you say if it turns out there wasn't any cockpit talk except appropriate conversation? Would you still speculate that they were distracted?

@mattguey-lee4845 Год назад

I see can see why the instructions were confusing. They were supposed to taxi to runway 33 but then given a clearance to the block for runway 1. I would agree the pilots should have clarified with the controller instead of assuming what was meant to be said.

@josephroberts6865 Год назад

Clearly, the Republic aircraft failed to follow taxi instruction. When the second call was to cross rwy 4 at Juliet, the pilot should read it back and questioned the controller’s intent given that he initially cleared to Juliet and hold short of rwy 1. That second taxi instruction to cross rwy 4 at juliet was never going to get him to rwy 33. He should have questioned the controller’s intent. He didn’t and proceded to cross rwy 1 in front of an aircraft takeoff roll. He also should check the runway for traffic on it before crossing. ATC can make mistakes and it’s incumbent on pilots to be situationally aware enough to at least challenge ground control.

@MSRTA_Productions Год назад

Let's see who will be the 10th..

@theronerd Год назад

What a situation. So as a pilot and controller. I can tell you I would of at a minimum questioned the cross 4 at J. Having my airport diagram out, I would have seen no way to get to 33. Now I'm at F waiting to cross 1. Obviously it would appear in the video they are holding short of F. I don't believe that to be the case. Why did the ground controller fired off the clearance? Brickyard read back cross 4 at J. It's a crappy situation and both parties are at fault. There's probably more going on here as well. Woth the recent uptick of runway incidents...the FAA and NTSB will be reviewing this situation. I'm sure more will come out of this. However as fly crew I always welcome you to question me as an ATC. They just had to ask, cross runway 1 at F? If ground was listening they would of caught the error and all would of been well.

@user-pf5xq3lq8i Год назад

He didn't look at any diagram, he didn't look at the written down taxi route on his kneeboard, he just talkedback like a parrot. No mental processing at all. Complete dummy at the controls.

@weekenderfam7965 Год назад

should the ATC give them another instruction saying there’s a change on the take off runway and the taxi route?

@milestoneconsulting3261 Год назад

The ground controller lost situational awareness and simply passed along a crossing instruction from the local tower controller without speaking up and telling the guy standing next to him that the departure traffic holding short was for for runway 33.

@user-pf5xq3lq8i Год назад

They can handoff to as many controllers as they like, giving different mystery tours round the airport. It's the pilots job to WRITE the instructions and READ them back. He didn't do that because he is a parrot. He thinks it's safe to be a parrot instead. How long has he been a lucky parrot? Who knows, until one day he isn't a lucky parrot. He's a dead parrot.

@GKsGS400 Год назад

This is a 50/50 blame here.

@BLAMBERRY Год назад

Nah, it ain’t. You don’t cross a runway you don’t have clearance to cross.

@GKsGS400 Год назад

@@BLAMBERRY The controller told him to hold short of 1 at first. They were both wrong

@billybuttons4298 Год назад

@@GKsGS400 Who cares what the initial instructions were. He gave new instructions and they read the instructions back verbatim and proceeded to do something completely different.

@user-pf5xq3lq8i Год назад

Nope, not even close to 50/50.

@user-pf5xq3lq8i Год назад

A change if instruction is valid. Unusual. But valid. What is not acceptable is FAILING to write instructions down to compare. There was a clue with a controller changeover. Perfect opportunity to compare both sets of instructions on the kneeboard. Except this terrible Parrott pilot didn't write it down. Just chirped back what he hears without any mental processing. Disrespectful to the controller by not writing the instruction down, and unprofessional creating a safety failure opportunity.

@rdbchase Год назад

They're coming daily now.

@user-pf5xq3lq8i Год назад

All we need is fog and we have a Tenerife. It's horrible to know this.

@flyerdon3116 Год назад

Still say ATC needs to stop using two different active crossing runways unless it’s operationally necessary. Not permanently but at least pause using them for now. Delays be damned.

@AndreA-ke2id Год назад

We can't keep blaming pilots or ATC's for incidents like this. Many airports are too big with so many alternate routes to/from the gates.

@user-pf5xq3lq8i Год назад

It's getting too close to a disaster. Bad visibility is the final slice if cheese. They should fit railroad barriers up the side of the runway.

@S_Paoli Год назад

just woke up... haven't had my coffee yet... can someone explain to my why anybody would need to go down J and cross rwy 4 in order to get to 33? very confused... going to have my usual triple espresso... maybe it'll make sense to me soon. (by the way, I know DCA very well, having lived in the area for 20 years and platespotting at DCA for at least 15 years)

@mikeybhoutex Год назад

The ground controller messed up, told Brickyard the route to 33, which was followed, but then switched it to 1 without properly informing Brickyard of the change. Brickyard should have heard 'Juliet' and gone 'Say again for Brickyard, we are going to 33', but did not, just trundled as instructed earlier to 33. Humans. Not perfect. Both are at fault here.

@RaineStudio Год назад

To put them behind the aircraft which was already down the runway.

@jetroar17 Год назад

@@RaineStudio No.

@saxmanb777 Год назад

Ground controller forgot brickyard was to go to 33 instead of 1.

@S_Paoli Год назад

@@mikeybhoutex does the ground controller have the phone number to copy?

@selftrue670 Год назад

I have to give predominant blame to the Embraer pilot. The tower instructions may have been somewhat "confusing" but they seemed to have been accurate. Bottom line: the E pilot was about to cross a runway he was not cleared for.

@Palmit_ Год назад

i watch a lot of aviation vids. but never asked..'What is the significance of being given a phone number? also.. what happens when calling that number?'

@billybuttons4298 Год назад

They give out a phone number to call the tower because they deviated from a clearance. Copy a phone number = you messed something up. You call and discuss what happened at some point. But the whole incident is forwarded to the FAA to determine what action against the pilot is appropriate.

@Palmit_ Год назад

@@billybuttons4298 thank you for replying mr buttons. i was wondering if FAA got involved.

@msjdb723 Год назад

🤦🏼‍♀️

@boeingdriver7375 Год назад

The controller screwed up and the pilot didnt question the controller’s obviously incorrect instruction. Total breakdown… this is why ASSUMING is the WRONG THING TO DO!!! ALWAYS READBACK WHAT YOU INTEND TO DO!!! Wonder if the Brickyard lost situational awareness of where they were and if one or more of them were “heads down”. pay attention dammit, your life depends on it!!

@Cadence-qt2ux Год назад

ATC knows best shut up

@user-pf5xq3lq8i Год назад

There was no "reading" in his readback. Just parroting what come in his ear. Unprofessional.

@cageordie Год назад

Ohhh, that's one's on the controller. He forgot which way the aircraft was going and told them to proceed as if they were heading for 1, but he'd given them taxi clearance for 33 with hold short of 1. So when he told them to cross 4 at Juliet... well they were on Juliet, so that's OK, and they needed to cross 4, so that makes sense. And off they went.

@billybuttons4298 Год назад

Not on the controller. He gave instructions. They read back the instructions verbatim. Then they proceeded to do something totally different from said instructions. Yeah it may have been different from he original plan, but if you get an instruction and read it back then do something to the contrary, it's on the pilots. And as far as your nonsense talk of them being on J and crossing on 4 and that being okay etc....uh no. The instructions were to cross 4 on J. They crossed 1 and 4 on F. So it doesn't make sense at all and was completely their fault. Are you even a pilot? Your comment was idiotic.

@user-pf5xq3lq8i Год назад

They were unsure, so moved into a runway. You can see how that is a very bad move.

@ducatichick996 Год назад

Poor Brickyard didn't stand a chance with those taxi instruction. Granted, questioning the controller would have helped considering he was instructed to cross RWY4 @ J , and he was holding short of RWY 1 @ F. Mostly ground for not paying attention, and a little on the pilot for blindly crossing without paying attention. --- Clear Left , Clear Right , Clear to Cross --- Would have seen United on the Runway.

@jetroar17 Год назад

*would have helped

@jaysmith1408 8 месяцев назад

Was also holding short of 4 on Foxtrot. Without seeing it in person, I cannot tell whether the signs for 1/19 and 4/22 are visible simultaneously, at which point being cleared across one would appear to be a clearance across the other. As well, with the literal two seconds between takeoff clearance and the cancellation, I doubt, if following protocol to a T, that at the point that Republic cleared the intersection, they noticed United holding in position, but without landing lights lit, as they hadn’t yet been cleared for takeoff. At the exact moment United was cleared for departure, Republic was already starting across 4/22.

@ingluv Год назад

I'm not in the flight industry but regardless of who all makes mistakes, the blame will always be placed entirely on the lowest level supervision. In this case, the captain of the airplane.

@DBR00 Год назад

OMG… this would have been catastrophic.

@user-pf5xq3lq8i Год назад

We're getting close. The only slice of cheese needed is fog like in Tenerife. Then it's disaster.

@cdhagen Год назад

Clearly this is (mainly) on the pilot but I don't understand what ATC's plan for taxi was? He was taking them further away from their departure runway 33? 🤔

@saxmanb777 Год назад

Ground controller probably forgot they were assigned runway 33 for departure and gave them the standard cross runway 4 since most departures use 1.

@user-pf5xq3lq8i Год назад

Unusual routing, but it's not dangerous to send people on a tour. What is dangerous is a pilot not recording taxi instructions.

@scottlenahan8228 Год назад

What a mess clearing them to 33, hold short of runway 1 at foxtrot. Then he clears them to cross runway 4 at Juliet. Absolutely doesn’t make sense, pilot should have in theory questioned it, but that was either a lapse in memory from controller they were cleared to 33, not 1, or just said the wrong thing via habit.

@user-pf5xq3lq8i Год назад

He shouldn't use memory for a taxi route. It should be written down on his knee. Basic flight school 101. This guy needs to be grounded. How long has been behaving like a parrot and been getting away with risking lives? Only he knows. Get the dummy grounded immediately.

@theadmiral5425 Год назад

4736 didn't follow the instructions given.....only matter of time before a major accident occurs

@user-pf5xq3lq8i Год назад

I'd like to hear the tapes to find out what he was doing in the cockpit, because he sure wasn't writing down taxi instructions on his knee like a good pilot. Was the cockpit sterile? Let's hope they preserved the tapes this time.

@essel23fly Год назад

Isn’t 33 like 5000 feet?

@billybuttons4298 Год назад

Yeah....so?

@essel23fly Год назад

@@billybuttons4298 surprised a e175 is using that short of a runway

@billybuttons4298 Год назад

@@essel23fly It’s an RJ. Not a 777. Key West has a 5,000 ft runway. They land Airbus and 737s on it all the time.

@essel23fly Год назад

@@billybuttons4298 right but the point was key west doesn’t have a 7000+ foot runway. Also the way he was cleared to cross to taxi to the longer runway, it probably means there wasn’t much of a wait to takeoff on the longer runway. I mean it doesn’t really matter I was just wondering

@billybuttons4298 Год назад

@@essel23fly I don’t know what to tell ya. They use that runway all the time at DCA. It’s a busy place. The RJs use that runway all the time to help with congestion.

@sarlineh Год назад

Maybe they should start including taxiing in every recurrent sim training

@wmsnowboarding336 Год назад

They do and they throw in distractions while crossing runways such as flight attendants calling the flight deck and what not. It’s a lot more difficult in real life with multiple airplanes talking to controllers, time pressures, congestion at small airports like DCA and LGA, etc. It’s a very busy job on the ground.

@mikeybhoutex Год назад

Maybe they should include 'don't lose focus on who's going where' in every recurrent controller training, as much to blame as the pilots in this case.

@N1120A Год назад

Honestly, this is kinda 50/50 blame. Yes, Brickyard accepted the clearance with a readback and should have asked if they had any doubt. Ground gave that instruction way too fast and in a truncated manner - he should have highlighted that it was a change in clearance and done it slowly. This is where delegating a crossing clearance from Local to Ground can be problematic, as that was the active runway