'Russia is not going to be beaten' | David Owen on how the Ukraine invasion should end 

We must all think the same on all issues at all times.

@@evolassunglasses4673 not all issues but the important ones, yes

Nevil Chamberlain.

So he is a typical British politician then.

@@Andrew-rc3vh moreover he is s puppet of the usa and nato!!

@@paixducoeur I'm getting the strong impression that Times Radio is also another mouthpiece for the Pentagon, hence why they have him on.

@@Andrew-rc3vh without no doubt: here is an other sound: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rnut-E_eEM0.html

​@@Andrew-rc3vh correct with more faces than a town hall clock and power mad.

I refuse to disagree with you on this

Typical worthless Labour man. Look at the damage BLAIR caused.

Well, it seems he's still a useful idiot for genocidial maniacs.

wow

yeah people confuse medical expertise and benevolence with political wisdom and cunning.

Lol. He also thought he could send the SAS into russia to get putin. Those guys would be slaughtered. But i guess project strength when you are weak and all....

There are plenty of socialists out there who think Putin is okay because they both hate NATO and the US. This idiot thinks that the war will end with a negotiation but acknowledges russia will break it and pretends that a Ukrainian victory is impossible. Remember at the time we were all told that we would never get Milosevich either.

Exactly. Even if, and repeat if we only think in terms limited to the Ukrainian and Russian confrontation without looking at the big picture of this conflict, it is crystal clear that Putin's Russia has crossed the line in this war, and by crossing that line they've disqualified themselves from any other acceptable end to this war except being brought to total defeat, and Mr. Putin himself being brought to face trial at the Hague.

Also Crimea is a conundrum, it is dependent on fresh water supplies from Ukraine, so cannot belong to Russia unless Russia takes even more land from Ukraine.

@@Katoshi_Takagumi Dream! And awful joke. Russia will win that war. Story of bringing Putin to justice is not serious. Russia is stronger then this joke.

If Milosevic had nuclear weapons NATO wouldn't have invaded Serbia.

@@wolfswinkel8906 Possibly not, but they would have placed heavy sanctions on them.

Watch Ukraine Agony, The Concealed War.... for clarity on youtube

@@lindabowman2868 👋 troll

Perfect sum up of the video 👌🏻

Negotiation is not appeasement. Negotiation requires great wisdom, sadly it's in short supply among Europeans and Americans nowadays.

As usual, most people on RU-vid dont listen to the full interview. He said, most wars end in negotiation which is historically and practically accurate. He also said: 1. It was a disgrace that Europe allowed the first invasion of Crimea and the Minsk agreement was an utter failure on the part of France and Germany. 2. The challenger and leopard tanks need to be sent to Ukraine immediately, not in a few months 3. Ukraine could possibly defeat Putin in the summer

@@wolfswinkel8906 well the stated negotiating goals seem to be "any piece of Ukraine is Russia's" and "all of Ukraine is Ukraine even Crimea". Negotiating starts when both sides are tired enough of fighting to actually negotiate.

He doesn't say anything of the sort?? bizarre comment

The POLES are a decent bunch of folk..they were a GODSEND in the second world war..with the HEROICS of their pilots with 303 squadron..and now bearing the BRUNT of providing succour to the 3 million or so desparate women and children who have crossed their borders.. FOR SAFETYS SAKE.. STAND UP AND TAKE A BOW!! POLAND.....

Polish - capital P, dude!

No one ever accused the Polish of being the brightest bulb.

@@dchappy6985 Care to develop this?

@MCADHD666 VOL2 Many European countries East and West are former "Colonial Masters." Do you propose their former and present vessel states should fight proxy wars on their behalf? 🤔 I think not. Let them fight their own wars.

D.O. did a lot of things wrong in the former Yugoslavia.

He is simply a fool because Russia will win!!

@@paixducoeur and what makes you think this?

@@doubleplusgoodthinker9434 You just need to inform you beside the mainstream lies!!

@@paixducoeur Your English is terrible and which " mainstream" lies are you referencing?

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Nah, just hand him Poland It worked out great last time.

A little more will be needed, some form of guarantees that the Kremlin won't ever get to try this again. Whatever that means, it won't mean a worthless piece of paper with Mr. Putin's signature on it.

@cgaud1n69 Very much agree. We are not moving forward listening opinions like that.

If you think Ukraine is taking back all its territory you are going to be pretty disappointed when we settle and they lose a decent amount of land

what ? this has nothing to do with this interview.

@@nopants4259 nonsense. Of course it does.

Completely different. We/ the NeoCons/ Victoria Nuland should never ever of backed the coup against the ELECTED government of Ukraine 8 years ago that started this nightmare off. Let the oppressed Russian minority brake free. 14,000 dead BEFORE the invasion. The burning alive of Russian civilians at ODESSA destroyed Ukraine for many ethnic Russians. This is not our war.

The NeoCons destroyed Iraq Syria Libya Afghanistan and will end up destroying Ukraine.

@@evolassunglasses4673 Blah blah blah. Sound like ‘neo-cons’ is your pet word.😂

Raving.

If you dredge up the swamp you get swamp creatures.

He never had a chance against an opponent that had a clear understanding of right/wrong and who made much more sense.

But , never lost war ?

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@@MrLu4o, one example: Russo-Japanese war 1904-1905: "The complete victory of the Japanese military surprised international observers and transformed the balance of power in both East Asia and Europe, resulting in Japan's emergence as a great power and a decline in the Russian Empire's prestige and influence in Europe. Russia's incurrence of substantial casualties and losses for a cause that resulted in humiliating defeat contributed to a growing domestic unrest which culminated in the 1905 Russian Revolution, and severely damaged the prestige of the Russian autocracy."

They got slaughtered in Afghanistan and her to leave with their tail between their legs 😇😇😇

@@bobrail733 I ment, war. Not tiny conflicts .

Ben Hodges is a war mongering psychopath who's on the payroll of the Defense industry. Total warhawk

I think Hodges' mandate in his myriad interviews is to sway public perception as to keep the money and armaments flowing to Ukraine. I imagine his own beliefs about the possibilities of outcome are somewhat more measured than those he puts forth to the media. Also, I think you misinterpret the statement that Owen made. He doesn't seem to discount the possibility of Ukraine taking back their own territory. He was stating that to put Putin on trial for war crimes and such, you'd literally have to invade Russia, and thus the idea of dragging Putin to the Hague is preposterous.

He has also stated that Ukraine would be indefensible if Crimea remains in Russian hands.

Which is why he says that Crimea is doable and desirable.

Kicking them out of Ukraine beating Russia. To beat Russia Ukraine should add Russia to it's territory and i don't think even the hardest supporters of Ukraine see that happen in their lifetimes nor do they want too.

Some people never learn

literally watch the video in full

@@Nas_Atlas I did.

@@Katoshi_Takagumi Then you're clearly just too thick to grasp the points Owen makes.

@@squirepraggerstope3591 Oh I grasp most of them. The west's response to how Putin grabbed Crimea in 2014 was pathetically weak and amounted to borderline appeasement. Clearly any of the sanctions that were enacted then weren't strong enough to achieve anything. However, we are past the point when letting Putin keep Crimea and maybe little pieces of Ukraine will satisfy him, and that's the fundamental mistake the appeasers always make whether they are technically correct on some points or not.

Russia wll never change. They don't know any better. They are raised to be passive. Greetings form Poland.

The Putin Nazis will collapse just like the USSR did

@@Blanka1100 then we need to keep them demilitarized, once Ukraine is done decimating them.

well if the effect is that the governmental structures change so that war cannot be continued than it is a form "beaten".

@@sp7873 It's not a matter of one Putin in the office. It's Russia/USSR which created Putin, not the opposite.

True but the Tsar tried the same thing in 1917

Putin only wanted peace - zelensky and the CIA instigated this

@@muckle8 War is peace. Ignorance is Strength.

Im pretty sure they already moved to Ukraine last year as 'spare parts'. You knows, IKEA your own MIG.

Which RAF aircraft to Poland? We don't have any spare Typhoons or F-35s. It is easy for David Owen to say, but he does not know the facts. Ben Wallace and the PM do know the facts.

See news article *Poland reportedly delivered MiG-29 fighters to Ukraine as ‘spare parts’* dated 2023-01-27 Poland has already delivered operational MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine in secret, local media has reported. The claims were first reported by the local daily paper Dziennik Gazeta Prawna, citing governmental sources. The fighters were allegedly delivered disassembled, labeled as spare parts. ‘The fuselage or wings are also a spare part,’ the sources commented. The exact method used to ferry the aircraft was not disclosed, though with the Ukrainian airspace closely monitored by Russia, it is likely that they were transferred by train.

Agreed, they should give Ukraine every weapon system on their wish list and then some. They should treat it like a bandaid, the quicker you pull it off the less painful it is. We should pressure our government until they do. The US Army can deploy whole armies anywhere in the world in 48hrs.

@@CJ_Ludwig501 48h is only after darpa finishes work on teleportation, still, sending everything is a good thought.

it's you that has no idea

and you haven't heard him, so is the clever one?

@@russellspeed1693 oh I have. Perfectly predictable guy this Owen

@@MGGitari agreed. Russia's made "progress" lately, but at extraordinary costs. Ukraine CAN defeat Russia if we stop listening to weak people like Owen. We need to stop trying to convince ourselves that we can't or shouldn't defeat Russia. It's not that we can, but we must.

@@alainlefebvre9860 absolutely

Well it wasn’t this week that’s for sure 🤣

We destroyed the house when we/ NeoCons/ Victoria Nuland backed the coup against the ELECTED government of Ukraine 8 years ago. 14,000 people died BEFORE the invasion. The burning alive of Russian civilians was the end of Ukraine for many ethnic Russians. Let the oppressed Russian minority brake free. Independence and freedom for the Dombas. This is not our war

If you have nuclear bomb on you,Owner's probably would

@@dianafriedman2384 Not my house u would need to use the nuke to get my house but then its nuked no good for anyone never give up never surrender!

Russia won't use nukes... He (pootin) even said it recently claiming he never threatened to use nukes

@@dianafriedman2384 So where's it stop then? I guess every small country needs a nuclear bomb then.

And it's going to get worse as the screws tighten and military costs escalate.

The "experts" that destroyed Iraq Syria Libya Afghanistan and will end up destroying Ukraine?

Like the ones who said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? Like the ones who took us to Vietnam? Those the experts you’re referring to?

@@travman1987 Those were politicians that made those decisions. Like Owen. He is a fool. Doubtless he doesn’t have a clue who and what Putin is.

good lord, how terribly embarrassing for you ! 😂

Bad day or inside knowledge?

Bet you backed the Iraq Syria Libya Afghanistan bloodbaths.

And spelling 😜

Manking? Did you forget the W!

Can we hear what your cat thinks, please?

If the west pulls their thumbs out of their arses, Russia will be out of Ukraine, including Ukrainian Crimea, by late summer. Decimate everything Russian inside Ukraine, join NATO, defend Ukraine with NATO forces like Poland of today, and dare Russia to try a repeat. Ukraine is a sovereign country and has every right to self determination. Do this at any cost. Because... China is watching.

Ursula van de Leyen said Ukraine has lost 100,000 troops killed in action already. Alternative media puts it at 157,000 +. Ukraine was very close to negotiate at the start (former Israeli PM said) but America and Boris persuaded them to stop negotiations. The NeoCons destroyed Iraq Syria Libya Afghanistan and will end up destroying Ukraine

Indeed when Russia is beaten back to the pre 2014 border if Russia does not stop it's aggression it should be the aim of the West to destabilise Russia until it stops or Russia fragments. Slava Ukraine. 🇺🇦🇬🇧

Useless though

@@ivancho5854 lots of ways to do this. The Russian infrastructure can be dismantled by sabotage, cyber warfare, lots of other ways to bring Russia to its knees if need be, but start with getting them out of Ukraine

Can you elaborate that please, he sounds very reasonable

Probably your own fault then, to be honest.

Alzheimer’s?

@@cristiancea85 to elaborate: Owen was appeasing in 1991 serbian dictator aggressor Milosevic like he is apppeasing today your KGB dictator Putler. Didn’t help. Croatia won the war against aggressor Serbia…same will happen with Ukraine that will win the war against aggressor Putlerstan

@@mickg7299 a lot of ruzzian vatnik orcs in the forum. Soon they will be 🌻🌻fertilizer🤓very very soon🤓

Yes sirrr god bless

The NeoCons/ Victoria Nuland should never ever of backed the coup against the ELECTED government of Ukraine 8 years ago that started this nightmare off. Have you seen Seymour Hersh Substack on America blowing up Germany's gas pipeline? The NeoCons are out of control. They destroyed Iraq Syria Libya Afghanistan and will end up destroying Ukraine.

He will use sarmat 2 in the end

Zelensky needs to have talks with Russia or wave the white flag

@@petersmith6974 nope ruzzian troll. putin will be hanged as a war criminal after russian military defeat.

@Theo 30 Do you don't see the common theme in what you yourself are writing. Missile SHIELD, sending defensive weapons to Ukrainine AFTER Russian invasion 2014. All this are defensive reactions to what Russia is doing.

A Satan 2 means Russia will not lose unfortunately

And empty his pockets of his money

Oh no, some people are speaking English in russher *Rule, Brittania! starts playing* 🇬🇧

There are legal borders.the UNGA voted 143:5 that Russia must leave and respect the Ukrainian legally recognized borders, which includes Crimea. The situation is crystal clear. Russia won't leave on their own, so we need to help force them out. It's really that simple.

Crimea was only handed over to the Ukraine in 1954 for no particular reason certainly not a democratic vote amongst it's people .Previously it had been part of Russia and before that a Tartar Khanate or Ottoman possession

@@Marvin-dg8vj no, Crimea was part of Ukraine when they voted for independence after WWI, before ! they got invaded and annexed by the newly formed USSR in 1921, here is the map from 1919 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Ukraine_%28postcard_1919%29.jpg

@@RainerMichelle your map from 1921 also shows Ukraine spreading over most of Southern Russia north of the Caucasus. This is completely crazy .

Appeasement did not work with Adolf

None.

Regime changers lol so strong

Merkel confirmed the Russian position that the West lied to Russia with the Minsk Agreement and just bought time to flood Ukraine with arms.

Russia has the Global South particularly China and India on its side.

Should be everyone's goal, unless they fancy seeing several European countries fall into Putin's hands and bring about the end of NATO as a serious counter to Putin's terror.

Russia can be beaten. They're already on their knees. Constantly having to mobilize hundreds of thousands isn't a good look. And the equipment losses are enormous. The Soviet stockpiles are not endless.

Defeated in Ukraine but not in Russia, unless his own people offer him up he will never be tried for it.

I think it is silly to suggest beating the Russians only counts if Putin is arrested or Russia stops all assaults on its neighbours. Ukraine's standard for victory is reclaiming it's border. Then there is further demands or ending conflict, returning kidnapped people, stolen goods (art, history, money), trails and other issues. Russia is unlikely to agree to it all but I doubt the Russians will consider what amounts to a raid on Ukraine worth 300,000+ lives if that's all both sides get. I think Russia would consider it a defeat and Ukraine a victory. Just not a total victory.

Well, if you think Moscow is going to fall, and a beaten Russian command capitulates, then perhaps you’re right. Not just that, but a permanent member of the UNSC decides to direct that Putin be offered up at The Hague. But…. Er….. I suspect it won’t happen like that.

Note that many of times guests have similarly irrational positions that sometimes happen to coincide with political expedience. They just hide political pandering behind a false veneer of superiority. Quite disappointing.

@@thetruth9210 Only from the neck up, apparently. 🙄

which words did he discredit himself with?

He got it all quite well except that bit of Russian soft propaganda saying that Russia can't be beaten. He should check the news. Get Ukraine what they've asked for and Russians great grandchildren will still feel the shrapnel.

Where's the money for all of this coming from

That's not what this is about, this about the 'Save Putin Campaign'.

Alas, that's not how the UK works....diluted democracy

Yeah, so get rid of the first Lords of the admiralty and treasury.

The title was awarded after he was no longer in parliament. Though why it was awarded at all in unclear as he never did anything worthwhile.

Position period?! Are we American now?!

@@bigblue6917 he lead a relatively large party.

What fantasy!

@@Robert-xy4xi Try and explain how they'll do it?

@@heinedenmark Mate , you are delusional . Stop the tv and take a look around . Dont be sheep .. :D

@@MrLu4o You're completely clueless.. Aren't you? Just another Putler fanboy 🤷‍♂️

@@heinedenmark you're right, Soviet stockpiles are not endless. Poo-tin can keep mobilizing, but eventually his troops will be using axes and pitchforks. And the west will still be sending weapons. Maybe even some of our better ones when the outdated stocks run out. Notice that some arms producers have already started increasing production capacities. This won't end well for Russia.

You do know Mig-29 are outdated. Russians build those Mig during the soviet era and they know its weaknesses and it is outmatched with Russia's Su fighter jets.

@@jonatikoisuva2695 Yes, so if they are outdated certainly Western jets would be better. I was mainly clarifying on the point that was brought up in the interview was not correct any more because Polish Migs are said to have been transferred already so cannot be considered a substitute for transferring western jets anyway

@@wayhome5 Migs were designed by Russian way back in the 80's, the new generation fighter jets are the mig35,Su27, Su30, Su34, Su35 and Su57. Poland only has 23 Mig Soviet Union Era fighter jets, that's the only mig they have. And no fighter jet has been delivered to Ukraine, it's just rumors...Poland has a total of 71 Fighter jets and sending some to Ukraine is no no.

Pols like German people who practically destroyed them in the 2WW

@@jonatikoisuva2695 This David Owen doesn't know what he is talking about.

If you mean David Owen is the 50p shop politician then that observation is salient one.

The need for military spending is always there. The problem with Russia is that contrary to the delusions of the Mearsheimer faction, Europe and the US were not that concerned about Russia and really would have preferred to let them stew in their own dysfunction. Polish and Baltic badgering to increase NATO forces were an inconvenience and not part of a plot to "encroach" on Russia. The same mistake should not be made with China. Putin has woken these complacent leaders up to the fact that there are still archaic warlord throwbacks in the world who actually mean it when they give speeches reminiscent of the 1800's.

he says while GDP is proposed to rise as the most sanctioned country ever btw (IMF), in a wartime economy and basically not dependant on the west as its rich in resources. cost effective - you got to be joking, america has spent more than the entire russian defense budget in a year (some of it loaned from the chinese btw). i really do hope people wake up to this, or not - we dont know what war is like anymore maybe we should be reminded.

@@fritzeckstein95 Russia's budget deficit is 24.8 billion USD in January. US strategic oil reserve and interest rate is crushing the Russian economy by accident. Russia is trying to increase taxes, but since Russian revenue is mostly state oil and gas export, and not taxes, there is a limit on what they can do.

😊😊😊🤪

He was useless when sitting as an MP., and from his view point, one can, see that he hasn't improved with age, whilst sitting in the House of Lords. I believe he's a complete idiot! It's only my personal view.

And by then they'll be mostly demilitarized AND their true weakness exposed to the world. No sane country will want to deal with Russia for generations.

They won't concede while this regime stands, but they need to be beaten back for starters and then, possibly, the rotten regime will fall.

"when"

It's inevitable. Crimea is Ukraine. They will kick every russian murderer out of there by the end of summer 2023.

What fantasy😀

So nothing to do with breaking promises like the promises not to expand NATO eastwards and the promises made in Minsk I and Minsk II?

@Black Cat Dungeon Master's Familiar You are parroting a tired, bullsh*t narrative, and you know it.

@@KinoTechUSA69 Holland, Merkel, Poroshenko and now even Zelensky admit Minsk II was a sham to BS the Russians.

@@blackcatdungeonmastersfami5311 America never had any right to speak on behalf of Eastern Europe and Russia knew that. NATO doesn't make membership easy so it's not as if they're actively recruiting countries. It's Ukraine's right to turn to Europe and join NATO because they're a sovereign nation that makes its own choices. Russia broke Minsk I & II agreements when Putin declared they no longer existed. Russian officers and troops were in LPR and DPR and bombing both sides throughout then blaming Ukraine. Putin lies because he wanted to destroy and control Ukraine and he suckered D/LPR to achieve that. Ukrainian separatists are f*ckwits who believed Russian propaganda so go live in post-truth Russia because your cities and homes will be destroyed before this war is over and you're little more than traitors to Ukraine. Reap what you sow.

@@fortunecookie3765 It's not that you're completely wrong, it's more that you only have one side of the story. Yes Ukraine is a sovereign nation. Where the US state department sponsored a coup overturning the democratically elected government and then went on to appoint a new government. Which murdered a lot of anti-Maidan ethnic Russians. Anyway pretty soon the Americans will dump the Ukrainians just like they dumped their allies in Afghanistan and Iraq and before that Vietnam. And you pro-Ukraine simps who only know the NATO propaganda will move on to the next big thing the propaganda tells you to get outraged about. Which is probably going to be China by the looks of it.

YEP!

No, Russia is led by a bunch of crooks, plenty of candidates to replace Putin.

Pardon me, where is Putin going and who's taking him there? Lol

I bet , you believe in fairytales .. :D

@@StillAliveAndKicking_ There is, but one would hope a new dictator won’t have the fear factor over the Russian nation, and that some coup would be attempted. Time will tell.

Good one!

Click bait headline he openly says appeasement will not work, and to arm Ukraine tot he teeth.

Good analogy!!

By whom?

Type in ''Colonel Douglas MacGregor Ukrainian annihilation "... See what a man with relevant experience is saying about the situation, instead of listening to this clown....

@@resistdisinformation9931 ooh you big pessimist you 👍

Not the entirety of Ukraine but the 4 regions they claimed. That is what they are fighting for as of right now.

Very true

I generally agree, but is Britain under artillery fire?

@@hymns4ever197 just repeated threat of nuclear war. For now.

I hope EU and USA are paying UK with better trade conditions, because otherwise UK only loses.

😮

please elaborate. my regrets your comment is unclear. ps: polish migs to ukr and uk to ask poles if raf base(s) welcome in poland.

skąd niby 200 polskich czołgów?

Agreed. I was a member of the SDP which was founded by pro-Europeans in 1981. When Owen supported Brexit in the Referendum he showed again how he had moved completely away from the party was a leading member of. He's a clever man, but his continual misrepresentation of what the EU is makes me think he's either dishonest with us, or dishonest with himself.

It's Qualified Majority Voting so Britain could NOT act unilaterally . Poland and Hungary both tried to act according to the democratically expressed wishes of their electorates . They are both now being threatened with expulsion . E U and Democracy are 2 opposing concepts.

@@2msvalkyrie529 yes it could and we have acted on our own before mate

@@2msvalkyrie529 we often acted on our own without the EU yet another one of those anti eu nut jobs making things up.

@@2msvalkyrie529 here is a LEGAL assessment of it. but please dont let your xenophobia get in the way of facts :) The question of sovereignty lies at the heart of the UK’s upcoming EU referendum. Many in Britain believe that the process of EU decision-making has undermined British parliamentary democracy, and that leaving the EU is the only way for the British people to regain control of their sovereignty. This ignores the fact that successive British governments have chosen to pool aspects of the country’s sovereign power in the EU in order to achieve national objectives that they could not have achieved on their own, such as creating the single market, enlarging the EU, constraining Iran’s nuclear programme, and helping to design an ambitious EU climate change strategy. Apart from EU immigration, the British government still determines the vast majority of policy over every issue of greatest concern to British voters - including health, education, pensions, welfare, monetary policy, defence and border security. The arguments for leaving also ignore the fact that the UK controls more than 98 per cent of its public expenditure. The British economy has prospered in the EU. The UK boasts higher economic growth and lower unemployment than most major developed economies. It attracts the most foreign direct investment in the EU, and is ranked among the most open places to do business in the developed world. British economic weaknesses, such as low growth in productivity, are self-inflicted. However, a successful economy and free-movement rules have led to high levels of immigration from the EU. Overall, this has been positive for the UK economy, but it has exacerbated preexisting pressures on public services, may have restricted wage growth in some sectors, and is a source of widespread public concern. Is it time, therefore, to return economic and political sovereign power entirely to Westminster? The risks of doing so are extensive. For example, the UK would be excluded from the process of EU rule-writing, making it a less attractive location for foreign investment. The UK is unlikely to strike better trade deals alone than it has currently through the EU. And the UK would have no say in the design of more open EU markets for digital, financial and other services. Leaving would also have a destabilizing effect on the rest of the EU, which will remain Britain’s largest market. In contrast, the main risks to the UK of remaining are political. High levels of immigration from the EU would persist. However, it is inconceivable that the EU will enlarge to include Turkey in the foreseeable future, and the UK and other EU states retain a veto over this decision. Nor need the UK fear the emergence of a more integrated eurozone, which will continue to feature profound differences in national outlook and is unlikely to enlarge quickly. EU decision-making overall is also becoming more intergovernmental rather than centralized. Continuing to pool its sovereign power selectively in the EU would enable the UK to help design integrated EU responses to many challenges that it cannot resolve on its own. These include the challenges of energy efficiency and sustainability; energy security; internet governance; and the fight against terrorism. In a world that is more interdependent today than it was when the UK joined the European Economic Community in 1973, the notion of ‘absolute’ British sovereignty is illusory. It is also worthless if it limits the ability of future British governments to ensure the security and prosperity of their citizens. Judging from the UK’s experience and its future prospects, the opportunities from remaining in the EU far outweigh the risks of doing so, and the risks of leaving far outweigh the opportunities.

As Ukraine said Russia needs to be whipped out if the face of the earth, far before war started.

No negotiations now, Russia has been lied to ( as have you ) by the west too many times

So you think those agreements were obligating only to Russia? Orchestrating coup in UKR, arming ne0-n@zis and instructing them to perforrm genocid over Russian MAJORITY by actual minority... That is not breaking of agreements, according to you???

These MiG's can still be useful as spare parts, though. Sooner rather than later, and I hope it's rather sooner, Ukraine will need more modern western fighter jets, or an equivalent weapon system that can achieve the same offensive and defensive capabilities.

i am very sad how west is handling this. it should have been said and done that nato is there not to beat russia but defeat it in ukraine and establish peace. nato should have intervened by now. the war would be over already. this is just weakening russia at the expense of ukraine suffering.

Ukraine don't necessarily need top notch systems. They need volume. They are fighting an enemy stuck in 1915. Any aircraft is good enough if it can be made to take JDAM or fire SEEAD weapons.

It isn't about just giving Ukraine fighters, or even about training (an "accelerated" training programme would be at least 18 months or more, even for experienced pilots). Support technicians would also need to be trained and equipped, runways might need to be lengthened/upgraded, specified fuel/lubricants might need to be sourced, etc. It takes years of planning to incorporate new aircraft models into a modern airforce. Which is why, under the pressing circumstances, MIGs are the better option since the Ukrainian pilots/crews are most familiar with them, and they can be most quickly incorporated into the Ukrainian air force. And spare parts can be found for them on the international arms market, as many countries that don't support Russia still fly Soviet-era fighters.

A continuous supply of weapons to Ukraine doesn't look like a solution if the sole purpose of these weapons is to defeat Russia militarily.

and yet the goal of much of western management is to use this conflict to do just that - topple the current govt !!

in this case, at a certain stage, the use of nuclear weapons will become inevitable. For Putin, losing means losing power, and losing power means death or jail. when a person has nothing to lose, he will try any methods

@@NordStar7 Fortunately a few people have to authorize nuke use. I doubt his minions will destroy their families for Mad Vlad Putain codename ztard.

Looks like it's USA and it's NATO puppets that won't stop destroying countries

Everything that can fire metal towards the Orcs is helpful.

what if the weapons are not enough? what if, in the end, we need to send our lives, namely mine and your life to prevent them from loosing their lives? are you willing to sacrifice your life for such noble cause, to save ukrainian lives? you go ahead, i surely have some better plans for my life then to die in frozen wasteland.

@@miroslavstevic2036 Only an idiot could have thought Ukraine stands a chance. It was all about "extending Russia" from the start, read the 2019 RAND report.

@@tomwhittaker9461 Oh it was about "extending Russia" and not "extending NATO"? Right. You obviously assume that the rest of the world are blind imbeciles? I think you should tell yourself what to read and stop lecturing others. You go read the Holy Bible. RAND report ...

@@miroslavstevic2036 How can NATO be extended, according to your narrative, it is "all powerful" and could easily defeat Russia, right? :)) Plus, I've never seen a single document or statement by Russia claiming their goal is to "extend NATO". By contrast, the RAND reports are important documents for US foreign policy and can be easily accessed online. In addition, the US CLEARLY is trying to do exactly what is outlined in the 2019 RAND corporation report. Obviously, your MSM faithfulness is further evidence of your inability to look beyond chauvinistic tropes about "US exceptionalism" and "barbaric Russians". I'm not lecturing, merely saying the uncomfortable truth.

@@tomwhittaker9461 If you really think Russian goal is to "extend NATO" I think you shoud visit your physician. Russian goal is to shrink NATO, and NATO's goal is to expand itself to Russian borders using Ukraine as ramming log. Maybe you should read the newest RAND report from this year. You'll be surprised by its conclusions.

Good for him.

In many past conflicts that has happened. I don't see any relevant reason for that not to be the case with the current war as well.

They will be destroyed like Russia destroyed Ukraines air force. Ukraine needs negotiations ASP

@@Katoshi_Takagumi There is a reason it is called Nuclear war and if not for that possible threat then western forces would have already intervened.

@@fitzstv8506 It's called nuclear deterrent, because everyone knows you cannot win a nuclear war. The west has not directly intervened, they have intervened indirectly, of course. They seem intent on trying to contain the conflict. I'm not sure if that strategy isn't going to fail in the end, though.

@@fitzstv8506 I don't see what the difference is between a member of the Ukrainian International Legion fighting with a gun in Bakhmut and a member of the Ukrainian International Legion flying a fighter jet.

I just now saw your comment after my post along identical lines. I don't think most people commenting negatively on Owen's interview actually watched the full video.

For wanting to arm Ukraine to the teeth? Did I miss something...the headline was click bait.

He has plenty. He hasn't figured out yet that he is an embarrassment to humanity.

All these western leaders are under the illusion Russia will lose. Right now Russia is winning. Ukraine has no more soldiers and is recruiting 15 and 16 year old children . Russia could win this war by summer. Way before even any tank arrives.

No he isn’t - unless you want ww3

@clark kent The Russian dictatorship wants to stay in power, so they won't start a losing war - and, by the way, a war with Russia would not in itself be world war and China joining on Russia's side seems unlikely.

It _is_ the world's interest that Russia is broken up and obliterated from existence. Well, the interest of the _civilised_ world, at least.

As long as we do advocate for a "reward aggression" peace formular

Oh, you're quite wrong Nigel. Russia needs to be demilitarized so these endless invasions stop happening. Russia has proven it can never be responsible nor does it care about laws or rules. They're a cancer that needs to be dealt with. At any cost.

Russia has never been a democratic country and never will be. They don't know any better. Russia will never change. It's not a matter of one Putin. Russians are raised to be passive. Russia is anything but great power. It's cheap gas station which can not stand its time of glory is over and Eastern Europe is not soviet backyard anymore. Russia is not the only one to have safety concerns and right in Eastern Europe. Russia's victims have it too. Stop being naive. Greetings from Poland.

@@z.t.500 So the “civilised world” appeals to destroying nations. Guessing thats why you hypocritical pigs were so quiet about Libya, Yemen, Iraq and countless other nations who suffered from the west.

It's only dissenting views if you disagree with them .i think you're probably wrong but it's your opinion

when it's wrong, must fight it! Otherwise it gives too many Trump free to lie

That would be Guatemala, Belize's arch enemy. We have very little problems with Honduras.

Easy to back it up when your not the one fighting.

@@JarmilaMatousek So who would make policy if not civilian politicians? The military? Several Latin American countries tried that in the 1970s and they became brutal dictatorships that killed tens of thousands of their own citizens.

The man is in his eighties after all.

It was George Orwell actually. And David Owen is 84!

@@RJPaul-px6vt Unfortunately Orwell never reached 50

Looks good for 84, my God what did you look like at 50.

@@1maico1 I know, but he still said it, or rather wrote it, in his notebook just before his death.