@prastro791 what strategy would that be? They are taking men and machines from the battlefield and wasting them on a doomed PR stunt a thousand miles away.
@@prastro791 Such as publicly announcing to the world you are going to launch a counter offensive 3 months before doing it allowing the Russians to be fully prepared? Seems like a strategic strategy
It sounds plausible that they got stopped now. Soldiers and vehicles usually carry 72 hours of supply now that that's goan they need to be resupplyed if russia controlles resupply arteries with drones, arty and air ukraina will be in trouble. I am aware that som of the logistics problems could/are lessened by looting but munitions and medical will be a big problem.
I think the objective for the Kursk offensive is to use that territory to trade for Ukrainian territory. But I don’t think Putin would allow that because that would mean the Russian soldiers who have died so far technically died for nothing
@@jonaswhale6451 and here is a fool not seeing the ttruth ..or a bot the truth is if they can legit bag this the ukranians can cut resupply points to the frontline so yes it WİLL chance thıngs at the frontline if they win + they may actually go back to encircle some troops who knows so yea this whole thıng CAN chance the frontline we can only wait and see
i believe the goal was to force ru*sians to deploy reserves there, to defend the borders. There are rumors, about ru*sians grouping up, to start full scale offensive. If you think about it, UA is in disadvantage, being forced to defend borders, deploying troops more widely. Now, when ru*sians realised that UA is and will also cross borders, they HAVE TO deploy some forces to guard them.
@@mateuszboruch5417 Who are they defending their borders from if Russia has no troops deployed on their border, while at the same time grouping forces on the border? Amazing logic. Also, what's the point of writing "Ru*sians"? Censoring of a nationality or some other dumb bs?
As everyone gloats about Russian failures towards Kursk the US is slowly losing Al Omari Oilfield in Syria was nearly captured last night pentagon is reporting up to 10 US servicemember casualties and 4 deaths while "Iran-backed" militias are claiming more.
@@legikgeo That is the core point. The west is screaming a lot about illegal actions of other countries, but that is an illegal occupation and theft of natural resources.
@@firstnamerequiredlastnameo3473 The troops on this safari were on the Belarusian front..their families paid serious money for them to be sent there. They probably didn't even know what their objectives were. These were sent to try to capture Kursk NPP. No sympathy for them, bro..none.
they havent. as they know that nazis also invaded ukraine in 2014 and again in 2022. but now ukraine is liberating the kursk peoples republic from the russian nazi regime
@@Pand0rasAct0r_ Russia’s banned political parties Russian National Unity Neo-Nazism National Socialist Society Neo-Nazism Slavic Union Neo-Nazism Northern Brotherhood Neo-Nazism, Slavic Neopaganism
This is just like the Battle of the Bulge in World War II, the Germans were trapped on all sides, by British, American and Soviet forces and they wanted to break-out of the encirclement, so they deployed all their remaining Armour. Yes, American forces were captured, but the British, under Montgomery, quickly surrounded the Germans and destroyed their Armour. The affect of all this was to leave Berlin without strategic reserves to defend Berlin and the Soviet forces rode straight into Berlin.
They did technically still have 3rd and 9th Panzer left and chose to counter attack Soviets at Budapest. There's an old joke about it German soldiers said we call it 3rd Panzer because we have 3 tanks...make that 2nd Panzer
Boy your historical assessment is laughable! Yes, Montgomery helped to repulse the Germans at the battle of the Bulge, but the Americans already had the halted the Germany advance. Americans believe that Patton rescued the Americans in Bastonge, and the British claim that Montgomery was the real savior. In reality, the Germans believed that that Allied airforce was mainly responsible.
@@erikjager4704 The Amis on their own would have been smoked. The mere fact the Brits where there, helped the Americans. Be a little bit more thankful. (I'm neither US nor British)
@@Corvin2696 My uncle told me stories that he saw Patton directing traffic there, so he was a lair? Watch the Battle of the Bulge movie. At least the Brits can claim that Patton was a glory hog for Montgomery!
@@thewedge8823 If anything, this is more of a symbolic win for Ukraine, from the 2 years of war in Ukraine no one imagined Ukraine could push this deep, weather they hold the ground or not, it is a symbolic slap in the face to Russia.
I am wondering if the strategic value in the Kursk offensive, is that they hope to provoke some response from Russia that would justify Nato to fully and officially enter the war as a party?
Putin is not that dumb to be played in NATO's hands.. He will retaliate that's for sure but NATO wont be able come up for a reason justifying their cause to enter the war.
@@vadym21493 Search, "General Milley 3 days Kyiv" It was a US army general that said that. Why would you compare a Ukranian offensive with a claim a US army general said? 🤔
This Kursk offensive seems eerily similar to Russia's kharkiv offensive. Just like russia, many villages were taken in a few days, and then the city arrived. Seems like another Vovchansk to me. Even geographically it reminds me of Vovchansk.
but Ukraine does not have powerful firepower like Russia, which means they can lose a lot of people and need to retain a lot of manpower to compensate against Russian firepower. sorry I wrote it wrong, I just wrote it with the help of a translator
Thing is, the Russians can extend the frontline as much as they want since they got the manpower to do so, the Ukies on the other hand are already scraping the barrel to just hold the existing lines. Those troops now getting thrown towards Kursk are the ones formerly stationed along the Belarussian border as identified by the white triangle on their vehicles, problem is that this posting was the cushy job all the people bribed themselves into who couldn't get completely exempt from the mobilisation meaning the quality of the troops will be rather subpar. The last few days they rode a wave of surprise and being faced with little more than border patrol and police units but now they are meeting the experienced and well rested army group _North_ which has been assembled around Kursk to either support the Vovchansk push or counter exatly such an incursion...
@@mnk9073 Previously stationed at Belarusian border. Interesting. Russia ca then target cities like Lutsk, Kovel, Rivne etc. Also that's true, the advances stopped because of the reason you stated and that was also one of the reasons Kharkiv offensive stalled.
It remains to be seen what the ultimate outcome is, but so far Ukraine has taken hundreds of POW's and has humiliated Putin. Videos are being spread of Russians questioning the government and armies ability to protect the people and wether they view the civilians as expendable.
@@dom1373 Yes yes, like the Counter Offensive also recaptured 200% of what Russia liberated. I bet you need someone to tell you you can crack an egg, instead of just shoving it into your Mouth.
As military analyst, how many brigades would Ukraine need to continue/keep their advances? Some say they have 2 - 4. Is number of brigades even the most important factor in this?
100k fighting force 200k logistic support to make it to Kursk. It may not be possible with even 500k though modern war is tough. Being able to make a sneaky break through into empty land isn't the most difficult thing though.
@@arneh.180 Because Russia is very big and as General Longstreet said “he who tries to be strong everywhere winds up being strong nowhere” if Russia had moved 50k men to Shumy Ukraine would’ve simply went to the next weakest point. That’s like strategy 101. There’s spots in Ukraine Belarus could break through hundreds of km if they tried because you can’t have a strong force everywhere.
@@off6848 they dont have to be strong, just strong enough to repell a ukranian attack. Just straight up naivity, now they have to send much more troops, plus the disgrace of being invaded by a small country.
its funny that pro russian nazis like you keep forgetting russia held 28% of ukraine in 2022. now it only holds 20% of ukraine. while they are losing more of their own territory
That’s what they keep saying about this year’s Russian advances! It took they Nazis 6 months to take all of Ukraine. It took Russia over 2 years to take Andiivka!
@@immrfunnot a great analogy. The circumstances are too different I think. The Russians have gotten their shit together and that why this has been such a big deal. They aren’t the same army as they were. The slow pace is an attempt to slow casualties by keeping the forward forces under the cover of air and artillery
I'm genuinely confused with the AFU assault into Kursk. I agree that it might accomplish some objectives of creating a better position on the negotiating table if it can be held for any time whatsoever; however, it has many more risks than rewards for them. If Russia really wanted to send a message, one of the options is the deployment of nuclear artillery. Yes, it's on Russian soil, but that's exactly where they said they'd use their arsenal. It kills lots of Ukrainians, it sends a message that Russia isn't bluffing with its promises to use nukes, and it could possibly send the AFU running back to the border in panic. Further, where's the international justification to retaliate? It's Russian soil, being used as a defensive measure.
Why would they nuke their own territory instead of Ukrainian territory behind the frontlines? It just makes any advance into Sumy much more difficult if they have to go through irradiated land.
Everything that the Ukrainians do to Russia is considered fair game by the West. The Ukrainians wouldn't have gone with this plan unless NATO had agreed with it. This is like going all in, in order to last before the November US Elections cause Ukraine's other Fronts are either crumbling or they're withdrawing to more defendable positions further West.
I just love how pro-ukraine propaganda channels viewed this PR stunt as if the Russian military is losing badly. Heck, I came across one of their videos with the thumbnail having the words "Russia Collapse"
The sad part is this entire w@r was SO unnecessary. I am TRULY ashamed our gov'ts here in the West CONNED the Ukr people into this terrible situation. 😪
Its not though. This is setting the stage for the course of the world. If Russia, Iran, China and NK are defeated we will get the neoliberal one world lgbtq order with Israel at the helm directing all of humanity. Thats why its so important for both sides to fight as much as it takes. If Russia is defeated we the people of the world are screwed and will have to accept a techno totalitarian woke world.
@@oleksii_klochko Sorry, you don’t know the history behind what happened in Ukraine: the Western coup 2014, the breaking of Western promises to not expand NATO East, the failure of the West to implement the Minsk Accords, the plan to put nuclear missiles in Ukraine which was the red line Putin warned against. Then there was still the Istanbul Peace treaty in Feb2022 all agreed to until Boris Johnson showed up and told Zelenskyy “NO!”
What people haven’t mentioned is russia has security territorial security agreements with so many countries. Now those countries could be forced into the war against Ukraine giving Russia more weapons and troops haha 😂
If you mean the CSTO, that organisation is a joke and pretty much every time something kicks off it's followed by a refusal of everyone else to get involved. Plus half the countries in it hate ruzzia. I doubt that any agreements cover offensive wars either.
AFU: "Our defensive positions are getting annihilated in the Eastern front." Also AFU: "Lets open a new front and put defensive positions in enemy territory, that will surely work"
Russia: lets draw Ukrainian troops away from the front and establish a buffer in Kharkiv! Russia: looses thousands of men in a failed offensive, tying more of its troops down to hold on to what they have, then get invaded by Ukraine.
@@notquam8672You are in such a deluded fairytale, have you not even watched these videos? I doubt you have. The “offensive” in Kharkiv was there to divert the rather limited Ukrainian manpower, and it has been shown to be effective. As for the offensive into the Sumy region.. it’s a completely suicidal move. They barely have the manpower to actually consolidate these gains, let alone hold on to them against an enemy with a much superior force in firepower and manpower. Don’t be so ignorant.
Much like Germans at Battle of the Bulge where they took forces from the eastern front to make offensive - by taking those forces away, Germans lost large swathes of territory in the east.
There's no point the AFU digging in. If they can't hold positions on the Donbass front they have no hope of holding positions in the Kursk region. What a waste of manpower and resources.
Small units can only get you so far. The advances we've seen were sabotage groups who were firing whatever vehicles they saw, including civilians creating chaos. Now that the things slowed down, these groups are being targeted as the reserves cannot reach the "frontlines".
Not really. Ukes are trying to break out their surrounded men. Russia could've just pulled back to better defend. Russian doctrine allows trading of land I can't believe people still can't get this.
Don't trust any casualty reports until the war is over. Ukraine claims that Russia's losses amount to about 580,000 dead, so according to the rules for calculating military losses, Russia should have about 2 million wounded. And this is an extremely high figure. Even for the United States, this would be an economic problem for many years, just imagine that 2 million citizens in your country will stop working, but they need to be restrained, because they are military and everyone needs to have an expensive operation, because he is wounded. How much will it hit the country's economy? So I don't believe Ukraine and Russia in their reports about enemy losses. The Media zone report seems to be the most realistic. It says that Russia lost about 60 thousand KIA, Ukraine - about 57 thousand KIA. Such losses are not a critical blow to the economy, but they are tangible. And this is consistent with the IMF's forecast that Ukraine and Russia have a "selective default" rating.
Ukraine seems to operate just like Israel I wonder why that is. "If my allies don't bend and give me everything I want I will make their lives miserable by every means". Hell Israel holds USA hostage by threatening nuclear war and even having nukes pointed at DC
They could've closed off the tap on their own territory. The Urengoy - Pomary - Uzhgorod pipeline indeed goes through Sudzha, but it continues into the Sumy Oblast' as well. Not to mention that such a move could anger a few European countries, including but not limited to my own homeland, Hungary. We already had disputes about oil and gas with them, and if it turns out that they've done it just to claim force majeure, then we will respond with our own measures, which may or may not include a military response. Anyways, as a former member of the Army reserves, I'll answer when the Homeland calls.
I think this Kursk offensive will prove to be an absolute disaster in the near future, the Ukrainians are now moving and in the open and seem to be losing a lot of armored vehicles, also there are no minefields to protect them and they don't have any fortified positions, logistically it is also going to be very hard for them to maintain their gains.
I think Russia delayed this summy offensive too much . I wish they had invested much more in kharkiv and summy. In the flip side this motivates tge Russians even more and in a few weeks the Ukrainians will be crying
I don't know about few weeks in advance, but as of now Russian citizens are those who are crying all over the internet and rightfully so, since they were betrayed by their own government and military. That's probably why RF slowed down RU-vid, so other citizens from RF don't see how desperate are citizens in Kursk region.
I think theres more complex things going on behind the scenes. Putin knows that NATO is itching for a way to get in. Just like the Iran situation they sense Israel/USA WANT a big response. They need a war because their economies are crumbling.
Invading Russia is a bad idea. Why? A lot of Russians lowley don’t agree with their own government invading Ukraine. Meaning only few are enthusiastic joining their war and many fighting halfheartedly due to lack of motivation. What Ukraine did here is not only unite the whole Russian population but also gave them a reason to fight and join the war effort.
I don't think so weeb, rybar posted a series of maps showing that Ukraine is snaking and capturing more territory. The reserves still aren't enough to contain every Assault.
Sounds like the Russian reinforcement convoy needs its own reinforcement convoy, needs its own reinforcement convoy, needs its own reinforcement convoy, needs its own reinforcement convoy...
Dang that's what happens when you attack a neutral front with no soldiers. When they start arriving all that progress you thought you'd make comes full circle
If Ukraine has advanced in Russia, it can also move its air defence units closer to the front as well. So it won't be easy for Russian aviation to operate!
You say the Ukrainians are digging in and creating a defensive line but where is the evidence? You say captured and control but apart from footage of vehicles driving around and other footage of it getting hammered there's no evidence of this.
@@jamierobertson5260 One of the largest tg channels, although some tg channels are also Saying that his report is bs. We'll need to wait and see, but If true, then Russia will lose considerable amounts of territory.
@@jamierobertson5260 "a Russian milblogger and author of the Russian Telegram channel Rybar , which has over 1.1 million subscribers. Until 2019, he worked in the press service of the Russian Ministry of Defense". According to him: "Ukrainian sabotage groups operating across the fields from the direction of Kozachya Loknya, which appears to be under full control of the enemy, as well as the villages of Bogdanovka, Knyazhy, 1st Knyazhy and 2nd Knyazhy, are trying to encircle the advanced groups of the AFU, attacking across the fields in the direction of Martynivka. Ukrainian forces have also managed to enter and gain a foothold in Mirny. In the northern part, the AFU have reached Anastasievka. If this information is confirmed, this could be the consequence of an unimpeded breakthrough along the L'gov - Sudzha road. The fate of the villages located west of the road is unknown, the area is covered by the "fog of war". At the same time, the enemy continues to pull in reinforcements and engineering equipment, turning captured populated areas into fortified strongholds."
I think this invasion not only for PR but also for bargaining chip in negotitation, Ukraina will use the land that had been gained to exchange with their land
It can be exchange only if UAF have fully control on it and cannot be taken again by Russian forces. That is the only situation where they can negotiate for exchange.
@@deadpoolguy283 They will gain some land, but only a matter of time before Russia kick their ass from their land. After being beggar for 2 years I think zelensky lost their mind
What happened to the belief that large buildups and surprise movements of troops were no longer posible? Seems Ukrainians have much better maneuver capabilities than Russians, or Russian surveillance is really really bad.
I expect the Russian Army will have no problem signing up recruits now that the Motherland is being directly attacked with enemy boots on the ground. I wonder what Russian television is saying about this incursion.
They could ask those in Kursk region - they seemed pretty ready on all videos yesterday. They even got $100 from Putin for abandoning their homes and properties and business probably forever so those can be leveled to the ground - I mean who wouldn't defend "motherland" like that 🤣
Oh yeah - that's probably why there's so many footage of Russian citizens being terrified and feeling abandoned by their own government and military who ran first from Kursk.
@@vivalavida741 You can't really predict terrorism. Its not Russias fault that an actual national army is comitting war crimes. But again its hard to predict terror. USA lost 2000 civilians to ME terrorists. Shit happens
@@off6848 Then everything that's happening in Ukraine since February 2022 is straight up terrorism committed by Russian Federation, just on much larger scale.
Russia claims a battle to recapture the positions, with 787 Ukrainian soldiers killed, and 37 attack vehicles destroyed. But nothing is shown on this map, no operation by the Russian side, why?🤔🤔🤔😡😡
You honestly ask why? The Kremlin has a real dilemma. They want to show Russian civilians that Ukraine is the agressor, despite years of Russian agression. However they also want to show everyone that Russia is strong. I wouldn't want to be a Russian propogandist at the moment!
Thanks. What European military planner would think attacking Russia, through Kursk, made any sense? Personally, this screams US flag ranks who have a distortred view of the Russian role in WWII and don't mind sacrificing Ukrainians, in any case. Going to get worse before the US election
Why do you stating that Ukranians will benefit from Russian fortifite position? How much these positions help Russians? The are like invisble positions 😀?
@@Dimension37 Sudzha is already completely under Ukrainian control, including the first kilometers of the road towards the nuclear power plant. The Ukrainians maintain absolute radio silence but some Russian bloggers claim that the Ukrainians have already advanced 30 kilometers. (Which I think is exaggerated) But Suchomimus has linked a more recent map.
Russia did not stop anyone,Ukraine stoped advancing during the day , they advanced at night the last two days...Russia showed many weakness, imagine if they were in war with NATO.....
@@firstnamerequiredlastnameo3473 weeb union himself said last video that, according to his sources, ukraine had several brigades waiting to enter combat in their offensive.
