RWBY Vol 6 Ch 3: The Lost Fable *REACTION* 

Keep in mind that Oz HAD all the Relics - and he hid them under the schools, in different parts of the world, rather than using them. He does NOT want the Gods coming back, because humanity isn't even close to getting along. That's why he supports peace over war until it exasperates Ironwood, and why he told Blake in Volume 1 that he was working to make strides towards Faunus equality - he is trying to reach that goal.

Ozpin: pyrrah tell me about the fairytales you were told Pyrrah: well theres the girl in the tower Ozpins mind: oh dear god gets Vietnam flashbacks to his marriage Pyrrah: the shallow sea the tale of the two brothers Ozpins mind: more Vietnam flashbacks of his life becoming a toy that two children are fighting over pyrrah: the tale of the seasons Ozpin: YES YES that one yeah lets talk about that one and not the other ones for no particular reason Ozpins mind: calm down oz just quickly tell this chick about maidens then you can have some hot chocolate and with the pills the doctor prescribed to me if i get the flashbacks everything is going to be fine

CRWBY has said they had this whole story planned out from the beginning, and Salem was one of the first characters created after the main 4. Also love how people have debated and theorized about the moon only for it to turn out it's because the God of Destruction loves him an overdramatic exit.

Honestly this episode reads like a Greek tragedy and I just adore that

Ozpin: what's your favorite fairytale Phyrra: oh why the girl in the tower 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Damn, the god of darkness was just happy someone liked him better than his brother

Let that be a lesson kids, if you don’t take your vitamins, someone you know could trigger an extinction.

I think honestly the reason why Salem wants the relics herself is also to bring back the gods and judge humanity which she is making sure becomes divided. Perhaps when they finally just destroy the whole world and wipe it from existence she will be wiped away with it. After all, the gods said her immortality would last so long as the world turns. We are witnessing an immortals impossibly convoluted suicide attempt

Now here’s a story I’m going to tell About a young girl that fell under a spell Her name was Salem and I will not skim How this girl was cursed to become the Queen of all Grimm In a Kingdom, set very far away In a tower was where she spend all of her days Imprisoned all her life by a dad with no chill Nothing to do but practice her magic skill Until a man named Ozma busted her out They made a pretty good team there was no doubt They then set out for all adventures ahead But Ozma got sick and poof he’s dead Salem begged for him back to end her strife But the Light God said that’s the circle of life She went to his brother and got her man back But the Gods rescinded and she launched an attack They made her immortal because they’re total wads So she chose to lead an army against the gods They left after killing all the humans for treason Oh yeah I forgot they were Dragons for some reason After some years people came back with no magic Faunus were there too but their lives were more tragic Salem was secluded to hide her disgrace Until Ozma returned but with a new face With her lover back in hand Salem gained a new ambition To Lead the world, but that was not in Ozma’s mission Regardless of that they worked to make the people ogle Then they had some kids, counting four in total Things were seemingly great for our favorite witch Then their kids starting showing a magic twitch Ozma tried to leave with them to avoid damnation But had to fight Salem in a bloody separation Salem was left alone again stewing in hatred And Ozma kept coming back with his worldview jaded So that’s the story we did not skim How a lonely girl became the queen of all Grimm

Matthew, V5CH11ish: "If [the moon] is a plot point, I'm gonna be mad." Here we are XD Watched this at work on my phone when it released on patreon, but I had to come back and watch again. Such a good episode and reactions to it are always fantastic (and relatable)

*That moment you realize Ozpin had sex with a grimm*

Did y’all notice Shannon & Aaron alternating through the reincarnations? And which was Ozma?

Just so you guys know when Ozma asked “How do I destroy Salem”, I as in ME. Doesn’t mean no one can.

It was worth supporting you Guys on Patreon, when i get to see a RWBY Chapter every Day :D

God of Darkness: *"I AM INEVITABLE"*

I think it's worth pointing out that prior to this chapter we'd already been shown the homes of the Brothers. On the world map of Remnant the continent in the upper left looks exactly like the God of Darkness and we know is where Salem lives in the current era. The continent of Anima, where Mistril is located is shaped like the God of Light with the 'head' being about where the city of Mistril was built. And the tree at the center of the God of Light's pool does look quite a lot like the one in the Vault of the Spring Maiden. Bringing the relic together to return the gods isn't Ozma/Ozpin's intention. He's worked hard to keep them separate while Salem is trying to bring them together to end it all. Ozma also asked how to destroy Salem, which can't be the answer as she's divinely immortal. Matthew's words about Salem's ultimatum is what most agree is the key to defeating her or ending her threat. I don't believe that Ozma/Ozpin even knows about that condition, which is why he's focused on destroying her. If you remember when Qrow told the kids about the gods, they already had their time of eternal war with each other. That period ended when they agreed to create the balance of life and death and created humanity the first time. So yeah, they'd long since found their stalemate with each other.

V6 C3 "lore the episode" Also V6 C3 you got questions I got answers and in the process give more questions

I love that the whole world is shit because an immortal couple couldn't talk things out. Lol!

Just to be clear, Ozpin doesn't want the relics to do anything. He already had access to all 4 and instead of using them to summon the gods, who would have judged the world at that point, he hid them away out of the reach of Salem. He is just playing keep away. Salem wants the relics though. Not sure if she wants the world to be judged and destroyed, or she wants them for something else.

The score and the environments in this episode are gorgeous.

An interesting thing when ozma asked if he could defeat Salem and she said that “YOU can’t” that more sounds like some genie wordplay so she probably ment that ozma can’t beat Salem but someone else could

Also, look at the eyes of the two children of his later incarnation...

They almost reached comedic levels of "Wabbit season/Duck Season" with Ozma's sudden resurrection/dissolution at the direct hand of the gods there.....

I mentioned in the last comment I had a head canon about the one question in this century and I tied it to the Spring Maiden before she ran away. I think she and Prof Lionheart both went down and asked about Salem and her history, learned everything and then ran away. Lionheart, learning how hopeless it is to get rid of Salem, joins her to try and get out of the situation. The Spring Maiden is brought in by Raven, during training she tells Raven about Salem- prompts Raven to kill her and fully turn away from Ozpin.

You can't destroy or kill Salem but the Gods did say how to lift her curse if you pay attention. "You must learn the value between life and death. Only then may you rest.". Salem on the other hand is driven by 2 desires. She wants to die so she can have freedom again and she wants pure destruction. If she brings all the relics together before humanity is ready and the gods come back she's betting on them not only destroying humanity again but destroying the world itself because the gods also said "so long as this world turns you shall walk it's face" if the planet is gone then she's not bound to the curse anymore.

I love they blame ozmon(ozpin) for what Salam, herself, chose to do.

in my opinion the gods are the real antagonist of rwby

And this is the episode that made Ozpin and Salem my favorite characters and also made me start hoping that somehow, Ozpin and Salem's relationship is how they defeat her. After all, it's what started all this, it's only fitting that it helps end it. Since it pretty much confirmed that the original maidens were their children, perhaps part of Ozpin's curse was also inherited, and that's why the maidens' magic goes from host to host? Or maybe he did give four young women powers after they helped get him out of his depression, perhaps reminding him of his four daughters, and they're how he came up with the idea to give the maidens his magic in thanks. One of my biggest questions about the reincarnation thing is, does Ozpin keep his original semblance(if he had one), or does he use the semblance of his current carnation? Does he keep the semblances of his old lives? After all, the souls start separate before merging into one, so how does that work? The gods did also tell Salem how to remove her immortality, by learning the value of both life and death, she would be able to rest. But she instead kept trying to spite them, leading an army to try to kill them. Yeah, they definitely could have done something else, but Salem was also doing everything wrong. But all this adds complexities to both Ozpin and Salem that I love. (I also kinda ship them, but not as they *are* together more like I wish they were *still* together having lived together and changed for the better) but Ozpin doesn't control who his soul goes to, I'm sure many times he got reincarnated into the body of someone who already had a family, which kinda sucks cause it means he's likely lost many families, and I'm sure there's been at least one time his soul entered a woman's body, which must have been weird. The God of Light was trying to follow rules he and the God of Darkness created together, one of which is not to disrupt the balance of life and death. The god of darkness didn't really care for the rules, and was just going to do whatever he looked (as he said) but after hearing Salem lied to him because GoL wouldn't do it he realized Salem was manipulating him to bring Ozma back, she didn't actually believe only he could do it, like she had told him. They punished her for trying to manipulate them, and when the GoD destroyed humanity, GoL wanted to give humanity a second chance he knew eventually they'd evolve back into existence, so he gave Ozma the chance to help them. I don't think the reincarnation was meant to be punishment for Ozma, but it turned into one. Unlike Salem, Ozma didn't do anything wrong and i believe the GoL wanted to ensure Ozma didn't have to go through what Salem did, what he didn't count on was Ozma and Salem doing everything they did. Just my thoughts on this episode.

THANK YOU MATTHEW!!! Your theory about redeeming Salem being the only way to defeat her has always seemed glaringly obvious to me...to the point where things to come annoyed me a smidge...but we'll have to wait and see. At least 2 more volumes after volume 7 apparently...so we won't be defeating Salem too soon.

Feels a little disappointing, but also slightly funny, that the Moon's in the state it's in, simply because the God of Darkness just went "Yoink, one for the road!" as he departed.

Semblances... A mere semblance of the magic humanity one wielded. They are remnants.

And the biggest lore dump has arrived. *Grabs popcorn*

You guys are my new fave RWBY reactors , keep up with the great content !

The problem is that uniting all of humanity is not a reasonable nor plausible task. And Ozma hasn't really been focusing on that either. So if they summon them back it's goodbye RWBY verse. So that's not the play.

I highly doubt that Salem told Oz how to end her curse. Remember that it says outright that she blamed the apocalypse purely on the gods, seriously downplaying her role

The thing with the relic of knowedge is that it only tells the things that happend so right now there is no way to kill salem but it could be they just haven't found it

“What is Ozpin hiding from us” This entire story was mostly about Salem. Most of Ozpin’s info came directly from her. So this entire story could be false if Salem lied to Osma/Ozpin

This didnt seem to be brought up but in my opinion the last question Oz had asked Jin was "How can I Destroy Salem?" so He got the "You Can't" answer but he never asked who can destroy her or how she can be detstroyed so maybe she can be destroyed but not by Oz.... The good ol' you get exactly what answer you asked for. But thats just my thoughts on it

I do wonder how things would of turned out if Salem had gone to the younger brother first. He seems more then willing to revive Ozma as a reward for a human putting faith in him "The day a mortal comes to pray at my feet before your own, so do you arrive to lay your judgement upon me" Only apologizing to his brother once he was informed of her going to his elder first.

This chapter also makes Raven's actions more sense considering she knew about all this. I am so happy to see your reactions to this because of the content.

I think it's important to note how the question was phrased. "How do I defeat Salem?", and Jinn replied "YOU can't." So maybe someone else can? Or maybe it's not about destroying her, but doing what the gods said in the first place, making her realize the importance of life and dead, hence breaking her immortality?

Jinn is a really awesome storyteller! haha And damn, the format and everything about the story, the soundtrack, the whole chapter… this is one of my favorites :D

As of the v6-7 hiatus this chapter us the longest in the series to date. 3x12 is a longer video but "The Lost Fable" is the longest from intro to credits.

One thing I want to point out: the question Jinn answered was "What is Ozpin hiding from us?" So, presumably, Ozpin knew all of the information of the lost fable, including Salem's need to learn how important life and death is.

Note that Jinn said 'YOU can't.' In response to Oz asking 'How can I DESTROY Salem?' That's important. Wording is everything with genie like creatures. Maybe someone else who is not Oz can destroy Salem. Maybe Salem can be subdued or turned or uncorrupted without needing to be destroyed. The only thing we know for sure is that Oz can't destroy Salem.

10:30 When you and the squad go into a raid under-leveled and the bosses do....

In the current state of the world of Remnant if the gods return Salem is hoping that the gods will destroy the world and her curse is lifted and she died However Austin would only group the items together if there was a chance for World Peace if you will unlikely In Ruby and Oscar will find a way to perhaps redeem Salem's curse without calling the Gods as it seems as if call them with any conflict would result in a annihilation

Soo hype for this episode and i def gotta say this is def one of the best well done expo dump

Did you recognise the voice of the dark brother (destruction)? It is the same voice actor who voices Marcus in Borderlands.

Good lord the SCORE for this episode

Also as for Salem understanding the importance of life and death. Not only is that extremely vague, we do not if it's predicated on a human's morality or a gods. AND talk-no-justu-ing Salem would be extra difficult because falling into Annihilation warped her mind so her decisions passively lead to destruction. Which the Gods didn't plan for.

Oh here we GOOOOO

I remember when this first came out and a lot of the blame for how Remnant's(?) history came to be was thrown around. "Oh, fuck Ozpin," "Salem is completely responsible," "The Gods are (insert favorite expletive here)," and the fact is that it's just a really bad set of circumstances. The gods don't seem to truly grasp human emotions, or maybe just how individuality works for mortals. The god of Light in particular probably fully expected Salem to learn her lesson after an extended period of time. I don't think he envisioned her becoming spiteful instead of introspective/enlightened. And not fully explaining what happened with Salem was also a bad call. Who knows what might have been had Ozma known of Salem's actions. Maybe he would have never returned to her side, maybe he would have had a better grasp on how to deal with her. And not all of it is on the gods shoulders. Salem never learned the lesson GoL(God of Light) wanted her to learn. She grew spiteful and never believed herself to be in the wrong. Finding and reuniting with Ozma seems to have given her a superiority complex of sorts, knowing the gods were out of the picture and couldn't interfere anymore. Ozma also made a few bad judgement calls but most could probs be explained away as being oblivious to how Salem turned out. I love how you guys noticed that Ozma's probably been through thousands, if not at least hundreds, of years worth of living. He's constantly reincarnated into new lives and assimilated their souls into one complex individual. Salem has lived for just as much time, alone and festering her hate and betrayal by Ozma.The gods are all far removed and out of touch with how Remnant has spun through time. And now it falls on Qrow, RWBY, JNR and the rest of the crew to try and fix it, or at least get the ball rolling for the next generation. And since no one but Ozpin is there to take the full blame... TL:DR Bad situation made worse by lack of open honesty, RWBY got a shit hand to deal with. Sorry for the large ass comment. I just love this episode and I'm bad at translating thoughts into words without going deeep. Great job guys and I can't wait for the rest of Volume 6. Vol 7 HYPEEEEE!

Here's a popular fan theory We suspect that the dust crystals are just the ashes of the fallen ancestors crystalized since y'know.. fossil fuels with magic inside

A note here is to keep track of all the times Ozpin has lied in the past now that we know the truth.

The gods are terrible parents. Light kicks a grieving woman out as soon as she raises her voice, Darkness commits genocide over the actions of a single individual, while his brother looks on and does nothing. Then, after all the fuss he made over the balance, Light cheats by forcing Oz on child after countless child, all growing up knowing their own individuality would eventually be subsumed. No wonder Oz didn't want Ruby to ask the question; this might not even be the first time he's been forced to live through it again. He was the archetypal hero, and now he's spoiled, his myth tarnished. The only reason he got back to his task is because four travelling sisters reminded him of their children. I don't see why everyone's so angry with him. He's a pitiable man. Salem's put so much effort into dividing humanity while trying to gather the relics. The grimm in her *wants* the gods to destroy the world. She probably wants Ruby alive to burn the grimm out of her before she does it; but once that's done, she might finally realise what the gods had been trying to teach her in the first place. So yeah, don't ask for their blessings or their judgement, just ask them to fix what they broke. Let the unhappy couple go off to the afterlife together at last, then leave and never come back.

So the working theory is that Dust is either bits of the moon the god of darkness (who gave humans magic) or the dead people he killed, I lean towards option 1 🌙

Ozma's task was to united humanity not to defeat Salem.

You now live in a post Volume 6, Chapter 3 world. My favorite theory to come from this episode is that Dust is made of the magical remains of the first humans. GUYS DUST IS PEOPLE!

Understand that when the Gods come back, it is just Judgement Day. If they come back, the two options are everyone is at peace, or EVERYONE dies. Unless the Gods give in once again to a demand, there is no way to bring the Gods back and just say "hey can you fix this for us?"

Well it's pretty heavily implied the Relics can't do anything significant to Salem. Ozma asked Jinn about the Relics and asked how to beat her and say that's not possible. So the Relics shouldn't work. And the GoL made the Relics after cursing Salem so he wouldn't give them a power that could undermine his curse.

Pay special attention to the verbage and context of Jin's answers to Ozpin's questions at the end. I have a feeling there is significance there.

She said *You Can't* ....maybe she literally meant Ozbin can't... but someone could. Salem is a creature of grim. Maybe the silver eyes can purge her, or maybe if they bring the gods back... they will bind or vanquish Salem, considering she is their creation

6:57 Salem, I don’t feel so good

I still love how Jinn clearly says You cannot destroy her to Ozma

Just a tidbit: look at the eyes of Ozpin's various kids, even the ones he had with Salem.

Salem basically did the equivalent of asking your mum because dad said no or vice versa. Most people don't try to wage war on their parents afterwards though.

remember that house that Yang was taking Ruby to looking for info about her mom back in the Volume 2 flashback? Wonder if that was the "witch"'s house? And I'm on the train of Salem wanting to die, which is why she's gathering the relics. If you look, the vein markings on her body are getting worse. I think her body is in constant pain but she can't die without he gods. I think that is why she is trying to gather them NOW. Also I think the Gods left Faunus behind as test for humanity to see how united they had become.

So pretty sure his quick response of "I'll do it" without really taking time to think it over is similar to how he gave Pyrrha a choice to become a maiden and she also gave a quick response. Also I think Salem's plan is to bring back the Gods because like Jinn said she seeks only destruction, including her own. Plus the God's said Salem could rest when she learned to accept the cycle of life and death, which basically seems to mean her immortality curse will be lifted. She's just to prideful to do it.

I bet the dark god left one of Jaune’s ancestors alive to bring back humanity. That’s why Tyrian is so interested in him

Fun Facts: Volume Three Chapter Six, Pyrrha mentions that "The Girl in the Tower" is one of her favorite Fairy Tales. Volume Six Chapter Three, we finally hear the story. This Volume has several moments that were payoffs for earlier foreshadowing. "The Girl in the Tower" might be the biggest, but there were hints here about the Maidens and even Silver Eyes! The God's were fully fleshed out...even the existence of Dust and the Faunus are touched here. There is another big "Pre-Volume One" plotline coming very soon, and I am sooooooo stoked for you all to get there. It's Fine.

Ozma only knew about salem till he died. Ozma is the wizard of oz. Salem is the Wicked wich. He did say he created the maidens. :D "How can i destory Salem" Jin answered his question she never said she had to answer in any specific way. Maybe Jin is hinting that its "We and not I" Meaning he can't do it alone. Everyone has to go against Salem. Qrow told a story where the the brothers made peace with each other and made humanity.

Gonna have to watch this a couple more times. I still get caught up in the story, and don't catch everything going on with JSMM. But I caught a couple of faces when stuff was happening (Mary@ 20:10) , and now I need to go back and watch everyone watching again! I'm sticking to it until RWBY proves me wrong: the children of Salem and Ozma are NOT the original Maidens. The children had magic, and all versions of the Tale of the Maidens/Seasons tell us that Ozma had to gift them their magic from his own. To me, that means they didn't have magic, so they weren't the original daughters.

This is where a lot of things started to be very clear especially this: Dear Oz is trying to give this Grimm Brothers' fairy tale a happy ending.

Salem first of her name, mother of maidens , the queen of the Grimm, the immortal one, the breaker of Windows.

For starters, I think that any rational person will realise, Salem did the things she did because she only wanted Ozpin back by her side. But what was done to her for this simple thing was horrid to put it lightly. No human, regardless of their actions, deserves that kind of torture and "pain". Many people who watched this episode quickly concluded that Salem still a villain and was still wholly responsible for everything that has transpired (regardless of her intentions), this is not the case though because one of RWBY's morals (and a realistic one at that) is that there is no such thing as true good and evil, only shades of grey. Ozpin died due to illness; in real life this is "life", plain and simple, but in remnant, there were gods that have power over life and death; who would not take advantageof this. Salem goes to the god of light and begs him, but he turns her down, saying the cycle cannot be altered yet he does so later on which contradicts what he tells her. And so she goes to his brother and begs him. He agrees because she is the first human to go to him for help. In the end, out of selfishness and pride, they see Salem's act as an insult, and so they give her a pain that can never be cured "so long as this world turns, you shall walk its face". In the end, Salem is fed up with the gods controlling and dictating what is "right" and "wrong", regardless if humans are left to die just like Ozpin did. She and others rebel, and as punishment, all humans (regardless of who rebelled and who was innocent) are wiped from existence and then they leave, stating that everything was simply an "experiment". Salem is now alone, powerless, amd only able to cry out in sorrow. The gods made humanity yet they end it all because one of their children wants her lover back, and the gods simply see it as arrogance instead of understanding the very emotions that they created and gave humanity. With enough emotion, humans are capable of anything, good and bad, yet its the gods who were ignorant in dealing with the situation and decided to take extream action instead of giving comfort to Salem for her loss. And then the god of light returns Ozpin to life, despite his statement about altering the cycle being a bad thing. And he gives no real justification for bringing Ozpin back apart from stating that Ozpin is a good person. In the end of the episode with Ozpin and Salem ending everything in destruction; when Ozpin thinks Salem is turning to the dark, instead of talking to his wife/ the mother of his children to extinguish her suposed "dark actions", he turns tale and tries abducting the kids. Any mother would do anything, even kill, if you tried to take her children from her and thats what he hot. The whole thing about Salem wanting to replace humanity could have meant many things (the prevailing theory was that she would only allow the world to be populated by their descendants and followers, not the arrogant and the greedy). She was trying to end pain, suffering, and arrogance among humans so that no one suffers like she did, and so that everyone could live peacefully. In many ways, she and Ozpin were better than the brother gods. Ozpin immediately assumes the worst case scenario when Salem plans to replace humanity and abandons everything they made together, even after everything Salem did and all the pain and suffering she endoured to bring him back. After everything she has suffered, can you blame her for hating Ozpin after what he did. Is Salem to blame for everything that has happened, no. It was primarily the gods in their ignorance and pride that lead to this, Ozpin is also partly to blame since he would rather follow the will of the so called "loving god of light" rather than his wife and their bond as a family. The prevailing fan theory at the moment is that at the end of the series, Salem will not be killed, she will be "saved" by learning to forgive Ozpin, this is the main challenge for our heroes since she has nothing but hatred for Ozpin for abandoning her and their family. It's not about destroying evil, because you can't: humanity is both good and evil and destroying either will only destroy everyone. If you remember her song "divide", the main lyrics "strength will not bring victory" and her narration for episode 1 stating that "there will be no victory in strength" reinforces this theory greatly. Salem cannot die because that is her curse; even after Ozpin reduced her to a pool of blood, she still lived. and sevond, she is not supposed to die because she is not the main cause of humanities divide and she is also a victim of the world at that. Ozpin trying to kill her will not unite humanity, his mission was to unite humanity (Salem included) yet he has made a whole secret army to kill her while covering up his sins against her; his secrecy and plots have caused more harm than good when you look at all the people who have died because of his unwillingness to tell the truth. The final scene at the end of the episode with Ozpin/Oscar collapsed on the ground is meant to insinuate that he did not know the full truth about what Salem went through and after seeing everything, his whole goal of ending Salem being the key to unite everyone has shattered. As for the relics, Salem plans to use them to punish humanity and make Ozpin watch as she does, so that he feels the same pain and powerlessness he put her through when she tried to bring him back (her way of "watching Ozpin burn"). she would gain nothing by killing him, and she won't unite the relics because that will just summon the gods who will just end her and everyone else. The theory is that the one who will end up uniting the relics is most likely Cinder since she is the one who lusts for power, unlike Salem who just wants revenge against Ozpin and only him. In conclusion, has Salem done terrible things since the war between her and Ozpin began, yes. But that does not dismiss the fact that she is a victim who has been broken and forced to endur pain that no human should endure. And now our heros are left with one lingering question: how can they get Salem to give up her vendetta and forgive Ozpin?

The Tragedy of Salem and Ozma

I just thought of something. The last question Oz gave, maybe he was asking the wrong question? Instead of how to destroy sailom, how does he save her? From the darkness? I mean they loved each other right. Sailom did everything she could to bring him back (save him) and payed the consequences. But when Oz was sent to destroy her it must have not only angered her, but made her sad from the inside because the darkness can be deceiving, it’s not just men’s heart that can be swayed, even women too.

What I hate is that everyone in the show(Including Ozpin) seems to forget that Ozpin said "It can't tell you of things that haven't happened" and Salem hasn't been "destroyed" before so Jinn obviously said "you can't" because he never has before.

When Ozma approaches where "The Witch" lives, this might seem insignificant, but he was walking to the viewers left, left on a compass is W. Witch of the West?

GoL literally blamed Salem for asking them to bring back her love. She was immature, knowingly so because she was locked in her room until adulthood. But she never tried to control anyone...she just asked.

Am I the only one that thinks that the tree in the God of Lights domain is the same tree in the Spring Maiden Vault?

Salem is the last human, but animals are still alive. The new world has human-animal hybrids...

The gods will only come back to judge humanity and nothing else, what happens after will depend on what humanity does

My fav episodes ! im a sucker for lore lol

19:35 We could become the gods of this world! alright Light Yagami . XD

Oh my gami kai...

I don’t think Ozz is the one to kill her he not allowed to I think I’m not sure, that’s what I got out of what the genuine said to ozz

This would be a Great time to revisit the song "Sacrifice" .. a whole new light.

That would be Ren who is supposed to sing that Sterling. Am pretty sure he is supposed to be the embodiment of that movie, or at least its title character. Second part, wasn't this epi deep as anything? Like a major storyline dump. And in regards to the pimp cane, I think a piece of the green gem from Ozma's original weapon is in it. Or I hope it is.

now you can listen to sacrifice and divide to get better idea of what those songs are about. :3

Wait, wasn’t this the episode where Casey worked on the score?

18:01 ZOINKS

So, Pinhead doomed the world, by kidnapping his kids. I'd say she has a fair reason to have an utter hatred of him. Would make sense if she could still become mortal, has Ozpin can't redeem her, as she is upset at him.

So this made me fucking love Salem. I appreciate spite. But, sorry, fuck the gods. That ultimatum thing bugged the fuck out of me while leaving me with some questions.

The punishment the Gods gave Salem tells me that the afterlife for Remnant isn't divided into "Heaven" and "Hell".

I do have a thought on the fallibility of the gods... Why didn't they destroy Salem, surely not just to punish her more. If they can wipe a world from reality then they could keep Salem from Ozma in the afterlife. I think they made her Immortal and now they don't know what to do with her. They didn't put a escape clause in the curse they laid on her, "So long as this world turns, you shall walk its face" The Dark Brother doesn't strike me as a retrained kind of god and the way Salem had to get up after the pulse which wiped out humanity kind of makes me think she shook it off and surprised the brothers. Then they left and recruited Ozma to fix their mistake. It would make sense that if they laid the task of fixing the next incarnation of humanity, he could not do so with Salem there. Furthermore they waited until after Salem was Grimm before calling upon Ozma? I think the brothers are saying to themselves "This is becoming a real problem, lets have someone else figure it out and come back once it is smoothed over!" Just my feelings on the situation.

The gods were kinda dicks, though. Salem wants the relics, probably so she could have their power at their disposal. I don't imagine she'd want to summon the gods, just so they'd see the state of Remnant and destroy it, as they warned. Ozpin simply wants to keep the Relics out of her reach, so she doesn't become even more unbeatable than she already seems to be. However, even if they get all the relics, at the end of the story and they summon the gods, I can easily imagine Ozpin/Ozma telling the gods that he didn't do it for them. That he didn't try and make the world and humanity better just to have their blessing, in a way, saying that the gods can go screw themselves for making his life and everyone else's a constant battle for survival just to earn their love. The way he talked about the gods cursing him, in V5, made it seem like he harbors a fair bit of resentment towards them (that I don't think was an act on his part, in order to not tell the students the complete truth). It seems like he wants to save/destroy Salem more for himself (to put her to rest, along with himself) than for the gods, at this point. After countless life-times and certain a number of them, after Jinn told him he can't beat Salem. Even after hearing that, he still went on to collect the relics and built the schools around them. He could have fallen right back into a drunken depression that would have made Qrow look fucking Amish (to borrow a line from the late Robin Williams), leaving the world and the people to fend for themselves, but instead he chose to give them hope and made their lives somewhat less of a struggle by founding the Huntsmen Academies and training new huntsmen, with every generation, to keep the world from succumbing to darkness. Even though he has no way of defeating Salem, he wants to keep hope alive in all who live their lives and all who will have the chance to walk the surface of Remnant, to make their existence safer, no matter how they choose to live it. Which is a long-winded way of saying, he doesn't deserve all the anger being directed at him. Sure, it might make it seem like e.g.: Pyrrha died for nothing. That Hazel's sister died for nothing. But, that isn't the case. And all of them had a choice. To do the same Ozpin tried to do, even after every revelation he got, to help humanity. They cannot fault him for that. And honestly, the way they keep saying he lied to them and left things out and only given them half-truths...what the hell could he have said, exactly? "Oh, Salem and I come from a previous generation of humans, all of whom could wield magic and they were wiped out, after I died from an illness and Salem rallied all of humanity against the gods, because they wouldn't grant her wish of reviving me. Oh, and the Faunus weren't even a thing. Only after the hard reset and after the God of Light brought me back and made me reincarnate. By then Salem turned evil, but we still hooked up, even had children, four of them (totally coincidentally), but I wasn't willing to go along with her plans, so we fought, killed all of our kids, then, she killed me and..." That would have went over well. But, this...the way they actually SAW it all, made Ozpin even less irredeemable. What he's done, after what he's been through, is hardly unforgivable. But, as the parody "This is basically RWBY" says, they STILL keep trying to paint him as someone who's untrustworthy.

Oz asked how do -I- destroy salem. Genies are known for their extermely specific wording when it comes to the asking of questions. So it is possible that Oz cannot defeat Salem. But not that no one else can.

god of light create the humans again but they are much weaker than before. I mean before everyhuman was powerful as a maiden. Thats why there are faunus