I wonder what/how Paco explained the situation to ryan and the others His side of the story seemed not as serious as I thought (and I'm not saying it's not a problem, bc it was obviously wrong). Sucks that this had to happen 😣
@@한여21 exactly. it sucked that he made her come over. but she ended up doing more than she planned to and that's not on paco it's on her. her regretting her actions shouldn't drag down paco. he needs to use this to mature and grow and learn to not guilt women to come over or to send flirty messages or dirty pics to women that aren't interested and he has learned. but this isn't as clear cut as she tries to make it seem
It's a messed up time in our lives where good things are also leaving. These 2 are the only true RU-vidrs I know who are original and true while still being amazing, making my day and they're all leaving.
The weird thing with Jenna is she pushed some borders in times when the cultural landscape was different and then she basically cancelled herself. Like damn.
@@Killerqueen2000 I hate that he disabled comments and likes/dislikes. That makes him seem cowardly and just running away from criticism and his problems.
@@AakolickGP trust me, with all the hate in the world right now, I'm sure people will find a way to attack him other than RU-vid comments on that video
you can tell how heartbroken and upset Ryan is. this isnt acting, he genuinely feels bad for his friend but at the same isnt trynna say his wrongdoings arent wrong This is how you handle such a situation, learn shane Hes upset but he knows what is right and stands up for the right thing.
This isn't like Shane's situation at all. Shane AND Jefree both did wrong things and neither want to fess up or make a calm video debunking the accusations with facts.
@@yukikanegawa7470 exactly i was referring to how shane did that stupid thing of doing a live during tatis video and just losing his calm and yelling at the camera and calling Tati all kinds of things, thats not how you do ANYTHING Ryan is more collected and calm here and speaks out all his points clearly without calling anyone names or losing his cool like shane did
OMG I can't believe I'm just realizing this whole drama ever happened. and yeah I agree Ryan made his way to the top with a lot of effort and trying to keep his channel Rated G and.. uff.... he was involved in all this mess :'(
Why? the bitch did it knowing what was gonna happen after readin the entire thing this is the TL;DR “I consented to meeting up and sleeping over at his house after numerous bouts of sexting and thirst DM’s but when we had sex I regretted it right after :(“
Griphter it DOESNT FUCKING MATTER. If she clearly said NO SEX, that means she is not consenting to sex. You know it’s possible for people to flirt and sext online and not have sex in person right? ESPECIALLY when one party clearly expresses discomfort at it. She was manipulated by Paco, end of story, and it was very wrong of him to do so.
Griphter bro I get that this might not seem severe. But consent is consent. If she said no then it’s supposed to be a no. Don’t be a stupid bitch and realize that these are real people it ain’t a game fam
Adi Chatterjee I don’t think it will ruin his image Ryan has been such a legend and especially after this where he confronts the situation I feel as though more people would understand ryan🤷🏻♂️
Lobster 9012 of course it affects Ryan. Him and Paco have a close personal and business relationship. People are quick to start calling out others just based on association, so if Paco does something bad, it could also reach Ryan.
just shows we never really know these people, there's lots of bad people we watch and don't know who they truly are behind the screen. it sucks but sadly the truth
This is why I always liked Ryan. He hates the mistake but not the person. When someone is down/shunned by others he still reaches them if they are okay. 🥺🥺🥺
This still makes me so sad because I liked paco but its not easy to forgive. Like how do you NOT know that pressuring someone to have sex isn't okay? In his statement he said he was raped before, I feel for him too, I do, but like how do you go through something like that and still try to force yourself onto someone too? IMPORTANT EDIT: Paco released a video explaining his side of the story, I think its worth hearing him out. Please watch the FULL video, it changed my perspective on that particular situation.
@@griphters4476 in their context of their comment, i think they were using pressuring and forcing interchangeably. So yeah, they're not the same technically, I think they're similar enough in context to use.
Because of rape culture. It is very common to make jokes about sexual acts or how to get a girl. It is normalised to pressure woman for sex or to trick them by giving them alcohol. When a woman complains about sexual assault you will see people will blame the victim for not acting responsible all the time. The rules get very blurry when people normalise this behaviour in every way. How cool is it for man to have a lot of girlfriends who you can have pleasure with? A lot of man can't handle the responsibility they have and think they are a real mean if they try really hard. It's like a common knowledge somehow when a woman say no that she actually can mean yes but plays hard to get. Stuff like that makes it confusing for a lot of people and some people just take advantage of it and know how to act unguilty
The problem is we make jokes about this stuff to make fun of it bit don't realise we normalise this behaviour so a lot of men don't really understand what they do is wrong. The lines get blurry when you joke about seksual assault. I think most part chat/ the audience is responsible for it because they push this attitude forward and reward it. If you are a creepy on the Internet with certain thumbnails you get more views then if you won't.
It’s not just men either. People joke about how if a younger boy gets with a older women, most people would just brush it off with a laugh, but that’s not the case. Recently there was a lot of allegations coming from the smash bros community and one of them was a older women grooming a younger/14 year old boy and it’s just sick
@@RaspyCh of course everybody is influenced by it not just men. But we teach men it is cool to be a ladies man even when you young. Remember south Park where kyle his brohter has a relationship with his teacher? That was nice right according the police? Because it is cool for a men to date a mature woman. It is normalised so even woman can be influenced and think it is OK to groom young boys and they have a good change to get away with it because nobody is aware of it. It's a system designed for men by men that doesn't mean woman can be part of it aswell but it is less likely because woman in general are not teaches them to be a predator. We teach them men are lucky when to get a woman at young age so there are woman who think this is what men want.
nawww the problem is "we", we don't all assault women, the one who do are just that kind of person, hate when people blame everything but the person. Shootings don't happen because of games, assaults dont happen because of jokes. If you can draw a fine line between joke and reality, you are just very dumb or just using that as an excuse.
That’s why I prefer RU-vidrs like Ryan pewdiepie rather than the RU-vidrs who use their platform to drag and cancel other RU-vidrs for drama & publicity...Ryan is wise and he gotta point
"I think he's apologized for it but he needs to learn from it" is my favorite line from this. Accountability and making an apology mean something is super important. At the same time, the apology is a huge first step. There's a lot of grace and justice in what Ryan is saying and is probably the classiest way to handle the situation. . Paco is probably one of the wittiest guys in the community but as Ryan put it, none of this was okay. He'll have a following and a career to come back to if he learns, changes and makes the effort to reconcile with the people he hurt and the way his audience now sees him and knows what he's like.
We CANNOT lose BOTH LEGENDS Jenna and Ryan They're one of the few OGs who are genuine,original and continuously giving us the best content We're gonna have to support them and get them through this
It doesn’t matter if someone’s been flirting, or if they go over to someone’s house for a hookup. They have the right to change their mind, and for that to be respected. It doesn’t matter if the person they were going to have sex with feels “disappointed” or “led on” because making sure everyone is enthusiastically interested is more important than possibly ruining a relationship and another person’s trust. It’s not about “owning up to flirting”-nobody owes anyone sex, not for *anything,* not for flirting or promises of sex. Sex isn’t a currency or a prize-it’s an intimate act between people, shared by those people.
This isn’t in response to the video or what’s happening-but to a lot of comments I’ve seen blaming the woman for being pressured, and acting as though it’s her fault Flirting is not consent Promising sex is not consent Going over with the intent of sex is not consent The only thing that is consent is what the person ACTUALLY says and does when about to have sex or during sex. People can change their minds. This whole concept goes for EVERYONE, not just women, EVERYONE is allowed to change their mind, and it doesn’t matter how long you’ve been flirting or dating or anything like that.
One thing to always remember because I've experienced this and learned this from being around odd characters is if someone ever makes a joke especially if it's frequently and it's something completely morbid or werid absolutely take mental note because as much as the person says there joking most of the time it's real
Had a friend who I found out had raped his so repeatedly throughout the five years they were in a relationship together only really found out towards the end. At first I was conflicted and I didnt know what to do, the guy had been my friend for so long it didn't seem right to drop him. I tried to stay being his friend and to tell him to do better, and to be better. Didn't really pan out for me, he wasn't willing to accept he was in the wrong and he always tried to justify his behavior and actions. At the end of everything I couldnt continue to be his friend, because he somehow thought he was in the right and wasn't willing to be better.
OK. Just watched this and Paco's video addressing it and I think it's really important to hear Paco's side of the story as well. His video isn't just some half-assed apology, and I think people should watch this video to get a better understanding of the situation.
Lol I can just imagine a guy stopping a sexual tension with his gf because her yes wasn’t enthusiastic enough. I think many guys have issues about respecting the thoughts of others or their gf. I don’t think it’s talked about enough and due to things being instant and immediate this day and age, guys seek an immediate response. Idk I just think in most of these cases, the aggressor usually has something wrong with them (no social skills or insecurities) along with no discipline and self control. I think pornography has a big contribution to this kind of behavior too. When we are sexually aroused and home alone, we usually just masturbate it out. People just don’t develop the skill to tolerate sexual tension as much as they should be.
Rephael Reyes I recently took a sexual assault course for my college ( BC a bunch of girls get sexually assaulted their first year of college) and the enthusiasm is a big part of consent, both parties HAVE to be into it for it to be consensual. and most rapes don’t happen by a stranger, it’s usually a friend or a relationship. I don’t care if you have sex addiction or you jacked off too much to not be able to control yourself. rape is rape. You need an enthusiastic yes, not a pressured yes.
Rephael Reyes and the porn industry really messed with young people’s mind so much it’s terrible, but it can’t be blamed for cause of rape. Your own actions are to blame. You can’t plea “insanity by porn” LoL
Rephael Reyes And it’s a bit tricky for consent in relationships, bc ( 100% you are NOT entitled to have sex with your partner because they are your partner) but usually consent when it’s your gf / bf is the enthusiasm . As in, they kiss u back or they take off their own clothes and are super engaged with the sexual act.
michelle l I agree but I believe porn plays a huge part to why this sort of thing is happening. If anything, I think your course should be a class requirement for all high school students. That’s why I said guys have problems with their gf because rape usually happens between two couples. No one in public school is taught that pressuring their gf is wrong and could be considered as harassment. I believe some have a wrong perception that forcing their partners to say yes is their rights in a relationship. It can be a very gray area to whether or not to consider it as rape. If it’s a couple that have been married for 30 years and the wife didn’t want it that day but the husband keeps insisting, then the husband is just being a horny dog. If a new couple that never had sex before and the guy keeps insisting, then it’s obvious a red flag. But a couple that is 6 months or a year or two into a relationship that previously had sex before and the woman says no while the guy insists, then it can become very complicated. Yes it requires common sense, but some guys are too dumb or have not considered situations like this. I completely agree with you though
6:05 this is the first time I’ve ever heard a swear word other than “shit” come out of Ryan’s mouth. I’m not a frequent viewer on his streams so I don’t know if he swears more often now but damn
Kouhai Terd yeah i get that. It just came as kind of a shock because I’m not used to hearing him swear after years of watching his “family-friendly” content. It’s good to see that he’s more comfortable doing so though :)
hey dude, idk if you need to hear this but you really deserve a break. you’ve been creating since the beginning and it’s always funny and genuinely creative content. we’ll still be here for you bro
I'm not fully aware of the situation as this is the first I'm hearing of it but from what I'm gathering from the comments and his words, my thoughts on this statement is that even though it's understandable that he must feel torn up and conflicted about this situation a major issue that is too often ignored in these situations are once again the victims themselves there was a thread going around twitter a while ago which explained it perfectly and a point it conveyed was that in these situations people tend to focus on how or when to forgive the perpetrator and when they can be brought back into society rather than caring for the victims and making sure they feel safe and this is what I'm getting from Ryan's words here as he said himself it's something that occurred recently but he's still more focused on when paco can be "uncancelled" rather than any mention of if the victim is okay which again it's his friend but I think it just speaks to the larger societal issue of putting the perpetrator's life above the victim that basically their life shouldn't be ruined due to their "mistake" even though the victim's life probably already is and they're receiving no help, justice or compensation
Love that you brought this aspect to the table. I think be opened the door to this topic by saying he's feeling conflicted finding out this side of his friend. Which is true, anyone would feel that way seeing someone's ugly side. But yeah, downward spiraled a bit into your topic. Friends are always going to feel a bit biased, but I don't think he meant it maliciously. There's not a real solution that Ryan can propose. Like, Ryan can't reach out to the victim and ask if they're okay. That could make things worse. It's just a shitty situation in general.
Great comment and a great point. But, speaking of points, perhaps you could consider using more periods and commas in future comments? Just a suggestion from a floating chicken
Had a similar-ish experience once. One of my coworkers was arrested during our shift together for being a child predator. Shit really hits you out of nowhere.
After seeing so many comments that use the word "coercion" wrongly, I just wanted to let everyone know that coercion means: the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats. In no point did Paco ever use force or threats to get his way. The things he did were manipulative and creepy, but doesn't mean that he coerced her to having sex. Coercion is a whole lot more serious than what Paco did, and making the situation seem worse than it already is doesn't help out anyone.
Hearing paco's perspective, I definately recognize parts that are disturbing but like before I want to lock in my new perspective on him, I want to know what's true. It's hard in this world because instantly you have to pick a side without knowing the complete truth. Ryan is right in the middle. This is most definately stressful
TL;DR “I consented to meeting up and sleeping over at his house after numerous bouts of sexting and thirst DM’s but when we had sex I regretted it right after :(“
TL;DR “I consented to meeting up and sleeping over at his house after numerous bouts of sexting and thirst DM’s but when we had sex I regretted it right after :(“
Idk what to say really, paco's side of the story shed light on a lot of it. He definitely messed up trying to get her over in the first place. But after that, it just seems like some stupid shit revenge for not seeing her as a steady gf.
You still can, when we're in the moment shit doesn't click in people's brains till after they've done it and then they realize it's wrong we're all human we make mistakes but sometimes we need to learn is how to forgive people. Hope i made sense
Pistachio ! Please become educated with the whole situation. He did wrong by guilt tripping her as a joke and sending a d pic, but he is not associated with rape. She consented and regretted only AFTER.
@@resqxe_1422 not being a rapist does not equal being a good person. He literally admitted that he coerced people to have sex with him. that is wrong and terrible. and sending unsolicited dick pics is harassment
Moana I acknowledge that he did wrong, I'm not saying that he is a good person overall. I'm only saying that I don't think he should be entitled as a rapist but should be held accountable for harassment and the other things he mentioned.
@@Adrian-mk8sf TL;DR “I consented to meeting up and sleeping over at his house after numerous bouts of sexting and thirst DM’s but when we had sex I regretted it right after :(“
TL;DR “I consented to meeting up and sleeping over at his house after numerous bouts of sexting and thirst DM’s but when we had sex I regretted it right after :(“ - Paco's "VICTIM"
You know I've always wondered how the first generation of youtubers are going to leave the platform. And now it's starting to show. The youtuber starts uploading less often, or they get cancelled. Thats how theyre going to go.
Zippy Cat A bunch meme accounts said a kid she exposed got expelled, the parents lost their jobs, and they are homeless now but there’s no evidence to support it sooo.
It is a really dark time for RHPC will leaving,derrick leaving,and paco And Sean leaving I didn’t like paco In RHPC because he didn’t fit in. And just looked like a creepy person.and I was right. I feel bad for Ryan because this was his friend exposed for doing something wrong it is really hard to break apart someone that you have talked too for a long time.
@@nathanielg8221 "I didn't like Paco in RHPC because he didn't fit in. And just looked like a creepy person, and I was right." That paragraph alone tells me more about what kind of person you are, than anything.
Tbh I never liked Paco but I couldn’t really understand why... he seemed like he always wanted attention on him and was kind of rude but you guys brushed it off as him just being funny and gross as a joke and I thought that’s just how he is. I loved everyone else though but it was kinda hard to watch videos with him in it. And ever since he licked that chicken sandwich for the Popeyes video and Ryan seemed soooo uncomfortable with it, I feel like I was always turned off with him in the videos
He wanted attention because he’s literally the only one who’s getting hated on. Think about it if he just stayed idle no one would’ve liked him either way and he’d just get fired, so he’s trying his best to be funny but he’s unfortunately not
John Carter Are you blind? I’m not talking about the skits I’m talking about the vlogs. He’s constantly making try-hard jokes trying to impress or at least get a single laugh out of it.
If people who do bad things lose those who can help them change, they'll never learn to be better people. What Ryan says kinda makes me wonder about the development of Paco. What came first?: Paco being a shitty person and then him being teased about it? Or Paco being teased for being shitty and him slowly becoming what they kept teasing him about?
Unfounded jokes don't turn others into bad people. They can discourage, but I don't think they can make you change to the degree of pressuring women into sex, or sending unwanted dick pics.
I always felt sad for Paco cause he's left out from the group. Like it's RHPC + paco. But I still wasn't a fan cause I was an old lamp so I biased the OG members. I won't hate him. Obvs. But I won't like him either. I don't know paco personally but ryan does. I hope no one pressures ryan to do the wrong thing.
I just think that so many people are so quick to "cancel" ... like these people are human and they make mistakes. At least Paco is taking responsibility for what he did and apologized.
It’s annoying to see some of his toxic fans have such a sense of entitlement, like “RyAn LeT uS dOwN” and “I cAnT fOrGiVe HiM iF hE sToPs PoStInG lIkE tHiS.” He’s allowed to have a personal life- especially with everything going on in the world right now.
Here's the link for everyone confused: twitter.com/mariahcarriesu/status/1274857647334924289?s=19 Edit: Here's his response www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9knp
