This High-Torque is now out! homedepot.sjv.io/a1AQ4Z *Ryobi's response* "Thank you so much for sharing this data, I will send it on to our product development team to review, this is great! I hope you have a great weekend!" You have to hand it to Ryobi though. They want to know, they want feedback, they want to try things. There are several top household brands that have reached out to us because realistically there's something they want us to do for them, when we instead say no thanks we don't accept free stuff but nice to meet you, could you answer a few technical of these questions? crickets
@@TorqueTestChannel thanks, just got a new high torque, had to help the guys at home depot find it on the "no home section" of upper shelving as it had not even been put out for sale yet. Thanks for the great videos!
Hey TTC, I just picked up a brand new Earthquake XT 3/4” air impact, thanks to an open-box special for $105. I would love to send it to you to see what you make of it. Never been out of its packaging wire and still has a plastic plug in the inlet port. Would you like to? How can I go about loaning it to you?
Tbf, I genuinely don't think the engineers and designers themselves are the ones being dishonest, it's always marketing being marketing teams when it comes to this insanity.
Yep, you get that one random run out of 10k and the marketing team only sees that high number. They’re like, you got it to make that power once…good enough for the box. Luckily we have these guys to show us what they’re really going to do
Same in every industry. Someone comes up with some "hypothetical" measurement, or a different way to measure and give misleading numbers. Air compressors, Data storage on computers, the bandwidth ratings given, speaker output, power output on PSUs, etc.
@@TorqueTestChannel Agreed. I also wonder what the difference in cell looks like for longevity. Maybe it will be able to recharge faster without having the drawback of decreasing life at an accelerated rate. I recall reading a while ago about lithium ion batteries being able to put out more power and store more after they have 5 or 10% of their rated life in recharges. I wonder if that is what we are seeing out of the beloved 3AH battery. Maybe the 4AH needs some time to stretch its legs.
@@MessalineApghar - The prolly have goons reading around the net. When they find something of importance, call the engineers over. Seems to be a waste to pay an engineer salary to read the net....
Most people buy due to marketing, not reality unfortunately. The consumer base is so large these days that companies can care a lot less than they used to.
The rate of industry change on reporting real numbers will be proportional to the number of subscribers and popularity of this channel. If this channel toiled in obscurity, nothing would change. Nearly 1/2 million subscribers to a tool channel focused on objective data? Well that’s a HUGE deal. So happy these guys are here doing this and keeping the industries feet to the fire. 🔥
You're starting to garner the attention of the big brands. That's a huge deal! Means maybe we'll see some better marketing claims and more transparency to the consumer.
More likely the big brands will try to bribe them with free stuff and when that doesn't work they'll get bored and leave them alone. Do you think the lock picking lawyer has caused a massive change in the lock industry?
@@TheFool2cool obviously the average mass produced item isn’t going to change (other than finding another way to make it cheaper) no matter what anyone does since your average consumer is looking for a barely adequate product or one that appears as such as long as it’s cheap, especially locks. but yes i would say for sure he as well as TTC have made a significant impact to certain companies in their respective industries that care about performance and there is a sizable and deep pocketed group of people willing to research and find the best quality/value product available, and if you do the slightest bit of research on power tools or locks you are nothing short of guaranteed to come across both channels
Also the power tool industry has a MUCH larger group of savvy buyers than the lock industry so hard to compare the two, there’s hundreds of thousands of professional mechanics/technicians who rely on these every day and have a vested interest in them being up to snuff, versus locks being an average throwaway consumer product to the VAST majority of users and are usually nothing more than a visual deterrent rather than a real problem for thieves
@@TheFool2cool - LPL has not changed Master or Kwikset, but PacLock does pay attention. So it depends a bit on the manufacturer and what they value; some value lowest cost mass production, some value better performance.
So as per their email the hp contacts allow the tool to draw 80 amps vs 60 without. Considering the PBP004 has 5s2p EVE INR18650/20P cells rated for 30A each, that would limit the pack to 60A, rendering the HP contacts useless. Also the voltage drop on the EVE cells at 15A is within a 10th of a volt of the Samsung 30T cells in the P195 at 30A. Which is why the test was so close on the short tests. At 1/2 charge the EVE at down to 3.3V and the Samsung around 3.4v and that gap increases as the state of charge drops.
@@littlejackalo5326 The batteries regulate the current, so there isn't very high peak current. These batteries would over temp within the torque dyno test length if they didn't have current regulation. In my own testing even with current regulation the newer EVE cells will over temp on around 80 seconds, with my older Sony cell 18650 pack lasting over 2 minutes. The primary cause was a much quicker voltage drop in the EVE packs, causing the current to rise as the tool tries to keep the tool turning. This is with 2p 4ah HP packs. By comparison my custom 40t 1p 21700 packs will do a complete battery drain with out overheating the cells, with a 3.5 minute run time. My 9AH Sony cell packs will also do over 3.5 minutes, but the tool overheats after about 4 minutes. I am using a test jig that mounts a bike disk caliper on my 6 1/2 inch brushless circular saw blade. Then use a spring to depress the brake leaver with the same amount of pressure.
@@littlejackalo5326 Your point is well made but a ~2Ah battery isnt unacceptable for all tools - for example I use 2.5 Ah's quite a bit when I dont want to have the weight (they are hugely lighter than the 4Ah or bigger, the 9Ah is a monster) and they are perfectly fine for a lot of different tools depending on the use.
@@francistaylor1822 the sad thing is a 1p 40t pack would be the best pack they could make, but they dropped 21700 all together. A 2p 40t would overheat any tool they make before dieing.
Been watching this channel for a while now and I must congratulate you guys on doing a bang up job calling out the marketing bull crap on all these products. Maybe ryobi might start selling all of their tools with the 9ah batteries lol I wonder if the guy who said you were using the wrong battery ever worked at apple during the you know your holding it wrong that’s why it’s killing your signal lol Keep up the great work
I'm honestly quite pleased with the results of this. Proper battery with the pack with...not exactly identical, but functional numbers bundled with the battery? That's a positive change in the industry that's probably 100% related to your content and the content from others like you. I'll be honest. I'm the cheap bastard that buys the cheep tool once to see if it lasts, and honestly, while they lack in power, I've only ever had one ryobi tool actually _die_ on me. Which is better than I can say of many much more expensive brands I've put through the same exact workloads. Basically, until it dies, my work drill and driver combo for slapping together dead tree carcass is the cheapest tools ryobi would sell me...because they're about five years old now and still do the job.
The real challenge is finding the 9ah ryobi battery available anywhere. Picked one up with a charger as a package deal but have never seen HD have these single batteries in stock.
Looks like I mght be buying a Ryobi for my next impact gun for my trailer service division. The fact they actually are looking for feedback is a HUGE plus in my book. Plus, their battery powered grease gun kicks butt.
I just ordered one of these impacts on a special at home depot. Buy the 4amp HP battery and charger and get the tool for free, not bad for $160 with free shipping. I'm glad to see the battery is a good match to the tool. I'm not a professional so it should do well for what I need, plus I have other Ryobi tools.
This whole thing sounds like a big sales trick to get honest RU-vidrs, who they know won't take their stuff, to buy extra batteries. "Hey, you what you really need to do is get 50 ultra mega high performance batteries and place them in a circle for ten minutes before testing the tool (while chanting the Techtronic mantra). We'll send them at no charge. Oh, you have a policy of not taking free product? I honestly had no idea. I guess you'll have to buy them with your own money. Here's a link."
(And to be clear, I'm not saying that taking free product makes a channel dishonest. It takes both morals and resources to be able to run a test channel without getting free tools. Many RU-vidrs could not afford to run channels without a hand-out hand tool.)
@@kyleolson8977 Amen, this is not a cheap route to take. If more samples being sent out means more reviews and data for you guys out there, we say the more the better. Most consumers are already flying around so blind as it is
I am not against taking free products but I like that you guys bought your own so we know we're not getting factory enhanced batteries/products. Thanks for the extra effort and due diligence.
Thank you for another fantastic and thorough testing video. It's great that the company reached out to you and are open to change / real user experience. All credit to you for getting independent samples and with your ever honest and modest presentation. Superb production values as always!
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL . ive been here since the almost beginning . with your knowledge and humor it is easily my favorite part of youtube. I bleed red and yellow but thanks to you I have air in my veins also. you keep me on my toes and I know when and what else I am happy to buy! thank you!
Careful about the air in your veins 🤣 I don't even have a need for any tools this big - got a C3 impact driver and a cheap air impact wrench, and my next upgrade will be the Skil 12v brushless impact driver - but I love the data and knowledge.
@@rpavlik1 lmao! ya that sounded bad! ya know need for big tools for me either but I do like using a big impact for ever big bolt possible. makes changing tires effortless !
An interesting set of data would be measuring the amp draw throughout these tests. That could really help answer some of these battery questions. I realize that could be a lot of additional effort. Great stuff you do here, thanks.
Quite frankly, that would be nearly impossible to do and be fair across the different brands. The ammeter would have to be placed between the battery and the tool, and there will therefore be extra contact resistance, extra resistance in the connection from the contacts battery side to the ammeter, extra resistance in the connection from the ammeter to contacts to the tool interface - that extra resistance could drop the voltage a tad or could limit the current flow. But each tool brand being different means these extra resistances can vary too much from one to the next, making the test unfair.
I bought and opened up one of the clone “9ah” batteries, they do put out the power, but use lower capacity, average output batteries in them, making the batter capacity actually around 4.5ah.
Yeah, there's a couple vids around showing this. Also, you're never 100% certain where the batteries are coming from and could potentially start a fire or burn up your tool. Best not to use them on your high end tools.
I've considered buying the cheap batteries and replacing the cells with high quality ones, would probably end up with equal or better than original batteries at a cheaper price (if the work isn't accounted)
@cujoedaman lmao what? Burn up your tools? I mean I guess if your blind maybe but anyone using a tool will see the signs of a cell overheating and remove it before the tool is on fire. Its also ryobi.. how expensive can the tool really get?
Thank you for all your work and bread going to these tools guys, its helping us mechanics keep the world go around with some savings in our bread making. Bake on Boys!
Ryobi is great for around the house and small DIY tasks. I have had a set for years and built many thing with them and all still works. Don't expect too much out of them and they will serve their purpose well.
Take that Turpal battery and jump it off from another good/charged battery for a mintue or so. Then toss it in a charger, it should start charging. It's most likely just dropped below the cuttoff voltage.
About 2 yrs ago, they had a sawzall w a 9ah battery kit for 159. The saw alone was 139 and battery was its current price when separate but they stopped that kit pretty fast
This is what years and years of marketing garbage on batteries gets you. A convoluted line of "high performance, high performance +, ultimate performance" high output performance +," and on and on... Un necessarily confusing, and while backwards compatibility is great, everyone thinks they have the best battery because they're all marketed as best, and when a new one comes out how do they put it above what they just called best? By making the name mumbo jumbo... Glad the difference wasn't much, and it was nice to see the 9ah pack deliver what it did, minus the confusion.
You're not wrong. If you pause at 2:06 and read our email mid page we say as much. Even as a power tool YT channel, we get confused on their battery "stages"
They have to make up new names nobody else uses, and they have to re-name when they make changes....even if the changes don't make the pack better....and they always try to convince us that the newest version as better, even if it is the same or worse.
With no change in chemistry/type and, therefore, any associated gains in peak discharge rate, the larger capacity battery means that there are more cells in parallel. More cells in parallel means each cell is stressed to a lesser degree; generating less heat, voltage sagging less under load, etc. Overall, the cells are happier, the BMS is happier and the tool is happier; all culminating with higher tool performance.
That much of a torque difference between the 9AH and the others would have to mean the wrench is handling a HUGE wattage (I'd think current, but I suppose it could be voltage depending on electronics) increase considering the difference in the torque is at the MFing, SOAB, hold my meth part of the curve. Maybe even 150%? If that's the case, the motor, anvil and electronics had better be way over-engineered to live a life that's anything close to the comfy life it would enjoy with the 4AH battery.
How about testing manufacturer batteries on the same tool. So get ryobi to dewalt and ryobi to M18 adapters and try the most similar sizes on that impact. M18 8ah oh vs ryobi 9ah vs dewalt 8ah?
3:21 Did you really just say the usual "battery" of test???!!! 😆😆😆 Well played. Keep up the good work. You've helped a lot of people in making buying decisions.
I purchased the Ryobi 1/2 impact to work on my trucks. I tried the 4 ah battery and it wouldn’t loosen my lug nuts. They told me the same thing about the battery. I went to Home Depot and the “1” 9AH battery was about $40.00 cheaper then the 6ah battery so I bought the 9AH battery. The impact drill worked like a charm. The issue now is that not one single Home Depot sells the 9AH battery and a single 6ah battery cost about the same or more then the actual tool!
It would be interesting to see if you can put together a battery test stand that will stress the batteries and measure actual volts/wattage/amps outside of a tool
There's a terrific Ryobi days sale on this product. $199 includes a 6-hour amp hour, 4 amp hour and a 2 amp hour battery charger and The 262 Model of the impact driver. 600 ft Pounds...
I would have taken them up on their free battery offer, and then tested the ones they sent against the ones you bought down at Lowe’s or Home Depot just to see if for nothing else if they sent you some shill batteries 🤔 would’ve been intriguing to know.
That is a great idea to use with all brands, to find out which ones are doing the BS stuff - after all, free means he isn’t paying extra. It just means an extra set of tests to run. But the disclosure that would bring …
This channel sells tools like few others. It's that simple. The info we get here, and the comparisons are great for making us more educated buyers. I'd be surprised if every tool manufacturer wasn't paying super close attention to these videos.
Just waiting for the Ryobi High Torque to be available in the states. Must in the containers in those anchored ships of the west coast of the USA. I have already have a new 2ah, 4ah, the older 6ah, and 9ah Ryobi Brushless Battery Packs. I wonder what the 9ah would do on the P262....
I've been pretty happy with a few ryobi products, drills mostly. I am an aircraft mechanic, the subject comes up occasionally at work. I am not cheap on tools, but have no need for the highest torque drill to remove and install screws on inspection panels. Others have spent 3, 4, 5 times as much on drills for this. The result? They pull the trigger, the screws come out. Just like my cheap green one. Mostly wasted money. The clutches have worked well..I did change one chuck to a jacobs. The battery life seems comparable to more expensive brands, and I appreciate that they have been compatible for decades. I have nicads from the late '90's that fit in my newest drill. (Yes, they are long dead.) The max output on impact wrenches is a real factor, though. My older ryobi is weak, but they seem to be improving.
I bought a bunch of ryobi tools… the nicest thing I can say about them; I can leave them outside and NOBODY wants to steal them! Can’t say that about Makita or DeWalt - that’s for sure.
Late to this video but I do appreciate such natation as "battery of tests" and "amp things up." I'm browsing fourth of July sales and there's a Ryobi bundle I'm eyeing at Home Depot.
TLDR; hello, I'm new these are my thoughts Ryobi is a basic brand, if you're after a basic experience your expectations will be met. If you're wanting a premium experience you will play a losing game against the house which is TTI when you pick Ryobi, you can do it but you should have just started with Milwaukee with the price you'll pay. Alrighty, so I've snooped your channels videos once or twice before tonight, but I've never binged on your content prior to tonight, so thank you very much. I'm trying to make sure to thumb up your videos and you earned a subscription but no notification bell because no one gets to send me notifications... No one. Excellent video, well done, I love your stats first approach to your videos and your commentary makes it all the more enjoyable. Now that the niceties are taken care of, my actual comment goes like this : I was really hoping that you were gonna call the Ryobi basic batteries "basic B***h" batteries quite honestly, however RU-vid's algorithm doesn't like that kind of adult flavoring generally and your channel doesn't roll that way. In my personal experience, I won't intentionally buy gen 1 Ryobi batteries, except when the Ryobi 3/8 in ratchet was $10 more with the 1.5ah gen 1 and a basic charger than the ala carte tool. But outside of that rather extreme situation I just use my xc 5.0 M18 batteries with a lovely little Badaptor adapter. Because at the end of the day, I'm invested in M18 but I didn't drink the Kool-aid, so my work van is spiced with 3 Ryobi tools where there was value in my opinion to buy the Ryobi and not the Milwaukee that was 3 times the price. All of that to say, I'm very familiar with the difference in beans between the different sizes of batteries but for what I do the basic xc 5.0 batteries that were in my kits are perfectly sufficient for my needs and I couldn't justify shelling out the dough to buy separate 21700 based batteries (except for my vape, I switched to Samsung 21700 cells about 2.5 years ago, lol).
I have had an aftermarket battery fail after a few seconds on a 1/2 impact. The cells were fitted too loosely in the plastic housing and the battery spot welds broke loose under the vibration. I got a replacement battery and filled the voids inside battery housing before using it, so that couldn't happen. I have been satisfied with it since. It brought an old tool back to life.
Project farm did some testing on tools with varying battery sizes, and broadly found 4Ah batteries to be around the ideal for most tools that aren't massive, but got greater output from even larger batteries still. The problem, however, is that these tools/batteries are clearly not designed correctly if you see increasing performance for increasing battery *capacity*. After all, the voltage is supposed to be the same.
Great video, I was lucky enough to get a 9.0Ah for my birthday and found it is great in my line trimmer and the hedger that run for longer times. Here they have very strict marketing laws and they are sold as offering increased performance on selected brushless tools.
Another thing: Ryobi doesn't have conformal coating on their battery pcbs, if a little water got in there, there will be no protection and it will corrode, all other tool brands have coatings to protect the pcb
From my experience, the weakness of the Ryobi battery tools is the charger, it chokes if the battery voltage drops below a certain level, which is exactly what happens when you run the battery until 'dead'. It has happened to me multiple times. Their charger needs to be smarter.
No it doesn't. I have never had a a tool drain a pack beloved the voltage cut off point of a charger. If it did happen than the voltage drop would rise back up after a few minutes.
i bought an einhell brushless impact driver (te-ci 18 li bl) in it is a monster. i can dig a 10mmx 200mm hole on concrete and i can use 10mmx200mm wood screws on wood, it pushes the screw fully and then crushes the wood if you continue. And i can work with its original 4ah battery for 4-5 hours. And the best thing, i bought impact driver+4ah battery for 110$ approx... 🤭 İ am a happy customer!
You hit on something... akin to men's razors (where they give you the handle so you'll buy the blades), the cordless companies seem to be selling batteries, and selling the tools at a lower price. Dammit, the big problem I have w/ this entire industry is that I'll end up with 20 different types of batteries sitting on chargers just to get the 4-5 tools that I want!
Or buy adapters that let you use batteries you already own in tool brands new to you. They are out there. The exception being trying to use a Ryobi battery in say a DeWalt or Milwaukee tool - the part of the Ryobi battery that sticks up makes it awkward to create adapters (it’s possible but they would be bulky).
My understanding is the HP 6 ah and above is what you need to get the maximum output on HP units. So the 9 ah doesn't give you more power than 6 ah only longer runtimes.
Ryobi is the best tool for me. One battery for all tool is a great idea. Their tools are getting better and better! I've had the blue line for almost 20 years and they work great with the lithium batts.
Got 2 9ah for 199.00 earlier this year in prep of buying the p262. The high torque came out an I'm happy that I got those 9ah batteries. I checked now HD is selling a 4 pack now...
I have 2 4AH batteries that are like 8 years old and they work great still, I have now purchased 2 of the 9ah batteries and absolutely love those, just purchased the mid torque wrench, can’t wait to use it…
I bought 2 pack the knockoff TURPOW 9AMH batteries been using for 2 yrs now very powerful and happy with the lower price. Unfortunate yrs was defective but try getting a exchange it shld b worth the price
Very good test but.....that 9ah baterry looks like a boat anchor so NO I would not go for that battery just to get some more power gain while knowing that I could not fit that gun with that boat anchor in tight places. By the way you should mention the seller of the dead battery just so we can shame them into NOT selling crap to the hard working folks watching your videos.
Ryobi days is currently happening and The starter kit comes with a PB007 (one+ 6ah battery) P004 (one+ 4ah) battery and a p003 (one+ 2ah) battery + bag charger and a free tool which I chose the p262 cuz that’s what I need but all in all an impact with that much tq and that many batteries + charger for 200$ best budget current cuz of the promotion BY FAR.
About 2 years ago I bought the 5Ah pack to replace my existing 4Ah packs, it's been amazing on all my Ryobi Garden & work tools. In the UK we can't get the 9Ah packs.
I've noticed across most brands I've seen tested a 4aH never seems to outpower a 2 or 3 aH battery. Also, with Makita specifically the 4,5 and 6 aH battery all weight the same but the way their wired makes the difference between them
I wonder if the 6 amp hour HP battery has higher discharge cells in it? would it spill more beans since it is 3 rows of cells, just like in the case of Milwaukee's high output 6 ah versus 8 aH? With the 6 having more power than the 8 due to the different type of cells. Looking forward to a test that only TTC can do!!
The Ryobi 6ah and 9ah both use the same cells: Murata vtc-6(15a rated). The 6 only uses 10 cells(2 rows), not 15(3rows) like the 9, but is physically larger than the other 2 row batteries because it has extra heatsinking to somewhat make up for the lower amp rated cells. No way it beats the 9.
@@rd9630 - the “15a rated” you gave us I am assuming peak current draw. So two rows (6ah battery) will yield 30A, and three rows (9ah battery) will yield 45A. That extra current capacity is what allows those batteries to perform better.
That's great. Just attach a car battery to get what others are close enough with smaller batterys. Once the battery is so big the tool can't get in the working space it makes the tool worthless and adding extensions and universals negates the extra power of the bigger battery. Some times we just have to strong arm somethings loose before we can spin them out.
I bought the Ryobi 4 ah batteries on sale. When they had the two 4 ah batteries and get a free tool for 100 bux. I have 4 4 ah batteries and that’s all I’m buying
I had a first gen Ryobi drill go up in smoke while using a hole saw. The hardware store thankfully replaced it with the latest generation drill only to have it start smoking while using the same hole saw. I have an like their impact driver though. But haven't needed to use it for anything heavy duty.
LoL! I’m new to the channel. I just bought one of these impacts this weekend, before watching this, and maybe I misunderstood you but mine did not come with a battery. Guess I’ll use your link and get the big boy battery to go with it
I personally bought the 9ah battery because I don’t have a bunch of batteries or a garage to charge said batteries so having one that lasts a long time is awesome! I can vacuum my car using the P7131ID and it will maybe use one bar.
One thing to consider. Is the torque rating consistent after a year of battery degradation? 2 years? How many charge cycles can it take before torque ratings decline?
How about a series of battery dynos? Maybe also pack disassembly and individual 18650 cell analysis, followed by tool testing with a few popular control 18650 cells reassembled into the electronics of the given tools pack.
I would really like to see you guys retest the p262 with the 9 amp hour... I don't know about the high torque Ryobi but I have the mid torque P262 and I am very impressed... Thanks P.S. I think Ryobi shoots themselves in the foot a lot by offering so many different batteries... I wish they would just make the best battery they can the first time..
@@INNO222 I use mine everyday with six amp hour and 9 amp hour HP batteries and we have yet to run into anything automotive that it will not remove from a vehicle... It doesn't even break a sweat removing the axle nuts or suspension nuts and bolts.... If you find something it won't do let me know because I haven't... Very impressed I've saved a lot of money not having to buy more Milwaukee high impacts...
@@full-light I just bought a new P262. I tried taking off 19mm lug nuts and it couldn't do it, but I was using a 3.0 ah battery. So I guess I should be using a 6.0 ah battery for lug nuts?
Bro if you're using the high output 3.0 and you have the digital selector in the right mode, the tool shouldn't break a sweat removing a 19mm. Make sure your selector is in mode 3 for full power.. Just FYI,You can get two 6 amp hour high output batteries from home Depot online for $149 right now... And I would definitely do it if I were you to make sure my tool is not defective.... But don't worry about it if it is I've never experienced one minute of trouble handing it over to home Depot and getting a new one.... Make sure you let me know what you find out bro
Hello again Torque Test Channel Thank you for another Great Video. For what you spent on batteries. These tools should come with Lifetime Warranty!!!!!
I got that cheap 108 9ah battery works fine. I doubt it has the "amps" of a legit battery but its wonderful in my glue gun and 1g compressor. :-) where capacity is more important than amps. RETURN yours or just contact the seller. 99% of the time send them a picture of it error (no lights on press blinking on charge) and they will 99% of the time just send you a new one no questions asked. they are usually pretty good about things like that just be polite etc.. you know the deal. I also love that ryobi did seem to honest give a crap. that says something about them. hopefully they keep improving and KEEP the uiversal backwards comparability. they have a lot of fans for that alone!
check out direct tool outlet for Ryobi "factory blem" batteries and tool. Blems are new tools with full w=factory warranty. Refurbs are refurbs and have a 1 yr
Knowing the instantaneous battery voltage during these tests would be interesting and easy, would show if low output is due to the tool or the battery voltage drop. I was curious about that during a previous test where the ryobi torque was erratic from test to test.
@@1pcfred so a hybrid battery pack out of a Prius would be better? ......I DO happen to work in a shop that services hybrids, and there are a few old packs lying around...
12V of a car battery might not be enough voltage to power most 18V tools. Now, if you stacked three 6V lead acid batteries, that should power any 18V (or 20V) tool. Kobalt brand run on 24V, you could stack two 12V car batteries to power those.
I think with larger packs were the benefit will show vs the 21700 cells is beyond the first nut. After the 10th or 20th fastener I’d put money on the larger AH batteries maintaining voltage better and offering better performance than the 3ah 21700’s. This intuitively makes sense and actually this seems like a good reason to do battery stress tests as its own series or its own metric. 21700’s will put down those initial amps due to lower internal resistance but it really is capacity limited and voltage sag will be the enemy of any battery, but especially smaller capacity. The “High Performance” batteries, I’d put money on those being HV (high voltage cells). The higher voltage won’t impact initial performance I’m thinking because the board controller will limit voltage to what other packs are normally putting out, but its value will probably be seen a couple dozen fasteners later and even with voltage sag, it will still be at a higher voltage output for longer than normal cells. It’s like adding an extra gas tank of your truck, it won’t make it faster or more powerful it won’t affect the engine, but it will give you longer legs. So I believe different testing is needed to test these claims. The extra pins on the battery are likely, in part, what allows them to use a slightly higher voltage cells. If they limit max voltage, as any good and durable design should, if looking for consistent numbers, then you will only see benefit deeper into drawing down that batteries juice.
You should try to test battery amps draw and voltage drop over work periods. You can't have better results with a same battery voltage. Bigger "Ah" (amps per hour) just mean longer use,not more power. (unless you tweak it so it keeps voltage steady longer ) Knowing voltage and amperage values over work time would be nice,otherwise it seems purely commercial voodoo,and not scientific datas from Ryobi or others. Your videos are interesting.
Not totally true. It takes five lithium ion cells in series to get to 18V. There was another comment where the MuRata cells have a 15A maximum draw; that means a row of five series connected cells can deliver that 15A. The 6ah battery has two rows of cells, the 9ah battery has three rows of cells. So, a 6ah battery can deliver 30A maximum, and a 9ah battery can deliver 45A maximum. And that is why the 9ah battery can deliver better peak performance with a tool that can draw higher currents than the 6ah battery can deliver.
@@michaelovitch - yes, assuming the motor is capable of drawing more than the 30A that is the maximum output of the smaller ah battery. Not all motors will draw a higher current - for example, a typical drill won’t draw over 30A, so in that case the bigger battery doesn’t yield more peak power, it just has that longer run time.
Lithium-Caviar has to be the best type of battery chemistry. What the power tool world needs is cross brand compatibility like we see with phone chargers in the EU. Apple decided they were "too good" for the voluntary common charger standard (Micro-USB) and too valuable for EU to impose mandatory standards, fucked around and found out that the EU doesn't give a shit. So now USB-C will become the mandatory standard. I've suggested it before on this channel, but it bears repeating - you should do a video on battery adapters. Realistically the only difference between a 40-volt battery Ryobi and Dewalt is the shape/interface, making any adapter a simple mechanical adapter. Maybe the best battery for a Ryobi is from Bosch or Rigid.
100% agree that batteries should be universal. There is a small issue with the adapters. Some tools have the BMS on the tool, not in the battery. So using those adapters could damage the battery. For example, makita batteries can be discharged too low, if not used in makita tools.
Two 4ahHP batteries are on sale at home depot for $99 as well as the standard 4ah batteries for $79 bought both sets cuz I think I’ve used my old batteries long enough. Time to switch out.
2:02 is RYOBI implying that there are 3Ah 21700 cells that can output 60A continuous, or 2Ah 18650 cells that can output 40A continuous, in their batteries? Excuse me, but I call bullshit.
Ah("capacity"[Wh is more proper way of specifying capacity]) of the battery doesn't _directly_ result in higher torque on the tool. But more Ah usually means more cells in parallel - less internal resistance - less voltage drop - more voltage udner load - more current - more torque. That 9Ah kicks ass yes, but I can make 1Ah battery that will make it go to 1000LBS then lit the tool on fire from the overload...
