Ryzen 7 5800X3D vs. Ryzen 7 7700, Best Value AMD 8-Core CPU in 2023?

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11:47 - 7700 vs 7800X3D (1080p Average)
12:07 - 7700 vs 5800X3D (1080p Average)
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12:42 - 7700 vs 5800X3D (1440p Average)
12:57 - 7700 vs 7800X3D (4K Average)
13:10 - 7700 vs 5800X3D (4K Average)
13:21 - Final Thoughts + Recommendation
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@GTRWelsh Год назад

5800X3D will go down in history as one of the best CPUs ever made imo.

@nipa5961 Год назад

It already did!

@silentKeys20 Год назад

What makes it so great is how it gives 80% the performance of newer gen to an almost 5 year platform. If you have an AM4 system the upgrade is a no brainer, otherwise go for AM5.

@bismuth7730 Год назад

@@silentKeys20 Not only that but it gives incredible performance in E-Sport titles. Stable 240Hz gaming for relatively cheap.

@Notorious544d Год назад

It's so freaking expensive though. Price to performance is way less than the 5700X

@Realozaki Год назад

same, bought it long time ago in discount for 340.

@michaelmills4455 Год назад

Am a proud owner of the 5800X 3D. Am so glad it's ageing well. My RX 6800 is not doing to bad also.

@aqwandrew6330 Год назад

well im a proud owner of the 7800X 3D. glad didnt buy intel one

@thepirate4095 Год назад

I've got a 5700x and It's more than enough for my 7900 xt

@nathanddrews Год назад

Aging?? It's only ONE year, ONE generation old! XD

@bigweeweehaver Год назад

you could have waited a year and gotten 30% more performance lol

@danieldelillo Год назад

Thank you, to someone in this reply that understands the cpu is only 1 year old and it's already dead!

@The_Trojan Год назад

It is a amazing to see the gen on gen performance improvements of CPUs over the last 5 years after the stagnation we experienced from the i7-2600 through to the i7-7700. Amazing what a bit of competition can do.

@AdaaDK Год назад

If just the gpu world would do the same, give more than 1-2% preformance per generation at same or lower price. But that ship seems to be sailed sadly.

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Год назад

@@AdaaDK Don't worry, the ship will reverse back. You see, competition in GPU market is about to increase.............. a lot. It isn't just Intel, Apple is starting to take gaming seriously now, Qualcomm and ARM are trying to enter PC market. Nvidia doesn't wanna loose their market dominance even if they're willing to loose revenue.

@felipeavlopes Год назад

@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Competition should make things less sucky but I wouldn't consider Apple entering the fold a good thing from a consumer standpoint because what Nvidia's been doing on the GPU space is pretty much what Apple does in general, you know, stupid prices just because. The GPU market already has one Nvidia. The market definetely doesn't need Apple to add insult to injury.

@The_Trojan Год назад

@@tilapiadave3234 To what do you refer exactly?

@JesusChristIsTheOnlyWay Год назад

I had the i7-2600 for over 12+ years, that thing held on for so long lol. Until a buddy sold me his 8700, then I upgraded to the 5800x3d.

@RarePotions Год назад

I know this has been said before but the 5800X3D is truly the 1080Ti of CPUs.

@ryanvtec3885 Год назад

im keeping my 1080ti forever even when it lands on my wall as a piece of histor

@nipa5961 Год назад

Best CPU of the decade for sure.

@adriankoch964 Год назад

@@nipa5961i7-4770K would have be the a similarly good buy for a similar price (a bit more considering inflation) on the intel side about 10 years ago, if you overclocked it you could easily have streched it easily into Zen 2 or Intel 10th gen release windows, where it would still deliver similar average FPS in the 100s (but lower 1% lows). Only in the last 1-2 years games that would want more than 8 threads would become more common where it would be better off limited to 30fps (stuff running on UE5 for example - you could still get 60fps average but also frequent 1% low drops into the 30s).

@FreedomForAll2013 Год назад

Not even... the 1080ti was better than a 2060 super (making the performance comparisons).

@nipa5961 Год назад

@@adriankoch964 The 4770K was a good CPU for sure, but it only lasted for so long because of Intel's stagnation and AMD's absence from the market. The 5800X3D is a completely different story. You only need put it into your 5 (or6) year old system and get an extreme upgrade over Zen, Zen+ or Zen2. This was never possible before. On release the 5800X3D also was literally the fastest gaming CPU at the time! Even your old 2833MHZ DDR4 was still good and only decreased performance by 1-2%. It didn't just beat the 12900K, the gaming flagship at the time, in performance, but also in efficiency and costs by a huge margin. Even today it offers the same gaming performance as a 7700X or 13600K for a lot cheaper and, in comparison to Intel, at a much lower power draw.

@XxDeViLBrInGeRxX Год назад

AM5 platform is a good upgrade if you come from something that is a bit old now (7th gen intel or older), but if you do own an AM4 platform already, specially with a B550 or X570, just go with the 5800X3D, its a no brainer.

@bismuth7730 Год назад

I dont see it that way. If you are on a 7th gen intel or older, imagine the upgrade it would be to just buy used 5800x3d from someone who is jumping onto the AM5. It would be an incredible jump for relatively small amount of money.

@stangamer1151 Год назад

The best gaming CPU for AM4 in terms of price/performance is 5600. It is pretty cheap and still fast enough for all modern games. 5800X3D is just too expensive in comparison to 5600 or even 5700X. It currently presents the worst value for the money among all AM4 CPUs.

@vh9network Год назад

Imagine coming from AM3 to AM5.

@NatrajChaturvedi Год назад

Exactly... A lot of parts in today's market do make quite a bit of sense but for new builders or people upgrading from very old generation parts where they upgrade to a new system almost. This is one of those, makes for a great CPU option for a gaming plus semi work focused build. Its people who like to upgrade piecemeal but fairly regularly like me who feel frustrated because a lot of options feel like sidegrades or bad value.

@Krystalmyth Год назад

@@bismuth7730 I disagreed in the end. I had a Sandy bridge 2700K and the last thing I wanted was to be stuck on another dead platform. Buying into AM4 brand new is foolish. I went with AM5 and am set for awhile.

@retro_ross4241 Год назад

In my region the 5800X3D dropped as low as ~$250 during a flash sale. At this point, upgrading to AM5 became a less appealing option since motherboard and ram prices are still high. Very happy with my purchase, leaving room for another potential GPU upgrade in the near future.

@ruxandy Год назад

@Grumpy Grey not to mention that the AM4 platform is mature and essentially fuss-free at this point. I've had the 5800X3D in my system (with an MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max motherboard) for 7 months now, and I literally haven't encountered a single issue. It's one of (if not THE) most stable and reliable systems I've ever had (and I've been buying PCs for 30 years, this is now my 12th CPU/platform upgrade).

@allah___maadarchod Год назад

You can run your system with 5800X3D for the next 5 years easily just by upgrading the GPU.

@chriswright8074 Год назад

Not really your just cheap

@madarasoun3018 Год назад

In my region, only the AM5 motherboard remains outrageously expensive. The DDR5 and the CPU price is now at acceptable price.

@ruxandy Год назад

@@chriswright8074 his what is cheap?

@pinkfloyd7572 Год назад

Exactly the test I wanted to see. Thank you.

@mokahless Год назад

Love it. I'd like to see older CPUs added, personally, to see how things truly scale with a lot of games these days. How far can you go back depending on what games you play?

@cwilliams9199 Год назад

After recently rebuilding my current pc and using all my spare parts to build a family pc, I gotta say to go through all the hassle of cycling that many parts on a test bench year round for us to glimpse the performance between builds is truly an under appreciated task.

@dra6o0n Год назад

It really depends on use cases, if your family won't be gaming any AAA games on it or is simply using it for simple computing, it wouldn't matter too much.

@lkz Год назад

Well, you probably don't make a living providing a family PC?

@Ben79k Год назад

Ive been using a i7 4770k from about a year after it released until now. I couldn't convince myself to purchase an end of life platform like AM4 even though the 5800x3d is a champion. I ordered the 7700 and AM5 and am hoping it gives me good mileage. This video definitely helped. Thanks for the review

@scaryhobbit211 Год назад

I did the same moving up from an i7-6700. It's a massive jump - and really any of these 3 cpus are excellent for anyone upgrading from very old computers. But with a 7700 I get the full benefits of AM5 at a cheaper cost, while leaving a better opening to upgrade to a newer faster AM5 CPU in the future.

@lyserberg Год назад

Enjoy your upgrade dude. I'm still on AM4 but in a few years' time, I'm joining you on the AM5 train.

@Bismarck835 Год назад

Ive been on 4790 for a few years at least, just upgraded to 7600 will probably stay in on this platform for a long time

@Ben79k Год назад

@@Bismarck835 hopefully for as long as we kept our 4th gen intel 😂

@Username4453 Год назад

I'm still on the i5 3570k and think i'm going to pick up the 7700 build on Prime Day. It should be enough for a while and when it isn't i'll just get 8800x3d or 9800x3d years from now.

@spandel100 Год назад

Was waiting for this👍Decided to take my time building a second pc,starting with the ram.I grabbed the G Skill CL30 32 GB ram kit as soon as it appeared,because in South Africa this will not be an easy find.Looks like the 7700 is the next item on the list. 🤜🤛

@dotxyn Год назад

If you're on AM4 and willing to sell your platform, moving to AM5 can sometimes be a similar cost compared to a 5800X3D upgrade. AM4 is still fetching decent prices on the used market and there are frequent combo sales on AM5.

@aleksandry.7213 Месяц назад

that’s actually a such a good idea don’t know why I didn’t think of that but it’s probably the best move for my situation

@wakingfromslumber9555 Год назад

Great review as always, definitely wait for the next line of AM5 processors if you have a 5800X3D. And with any new platform, there are also a number of reported stability issues with DDR5 that will take a little more time to sort out with BIOS updates.

@dhLotan Год назад

I don't think people with 5800X3D (a year old) are the ones thinking of going AM5... It's the people on AM4 who do not yet have a 5800X3D trying to make this decision. If you bought a 5800X3D and already want to go to AM5, there's something wrong here.

@marvean2519 Год назад

I needed a new build but these am5 issues are leaving me hesitant

@QuantumS1ngularity Год назад

My 5800X3D is approaching the end of its first year in my build and i never for a single moment regretted the decision of buying it. Absolute monster of a CPU. More than enough performance to skip the first gen AM5. I think i'll join once the 3nm Ryzen 8000 CPUs come out and IF they have 50% or more performance gains over the 5800X3D.

@adriankoch964 Год назад

5800X3D will probably over time start showing its age with the 1% lows droping in comparison with future CPUs, kinda like how the i7-4770 has been aging over time. You can still get 60fps on Hogwards legacy with this $350 CPU from 2013, but the 1% lows will be in the 30s compared to a more modern CPU. Eventually new CPUs will just have enough extra threads and IPC brute force and improved caching strategies (so they don't need as big of a l3 cache) that the older CPU hits bottlenecks that the cache can't help out with in games that will actually need that raw power.

@QuantumS1ngularity Год назад

@@adriankoch964 Well, I'm not planning to keep the same CPU for 10 years. Especially now when generational improvement is again solid. I'm just amazed that a $300 CPU (that's the deal i had on mine a year ago) was topping the charts for quite some time before it was dethroned by the next generation of the same technology.

@Yellowswift3 Год назад

Great, informative video. I'd like to see something where you do an updated comparison of Zen CPUs, e.g. 1600 v 2600 v 3600 v 5600 v 7600. Perhaps 3 class comparisons, 1 each from Ryzen 5, 7 & 9. That would be a ton of work, though, so I can understand if it's not worth doing for various reasons.

@haukionkannel Год назад

Thank you! Interesting info once again!

@josh0156 Год назад

While the 7700 performs extremely well overall it's kinda nuts how much the 5800X3D can still clobber it when a game is cache-sensitive. Really illustrates why so many people were waiting for the 7800X3D to drop before making the switch to AM5.

@josh0156 Год назад

@Captain_Morgan Whoops! Thanks for the correction. I instinctively put the "X" at the end.

@Alp577 Год назад

I was one of those that waited for the 7800X3D. I think it's worth it! Blazing fast on gaming and good enough for production without needing a 360 AIO. Probably will last me a good 5 years or more. (Coming from an 8700k user)

@stevy2 Год назад

@@Alp577 And it only sips 50W while gaming. It's a must have if you've got a power hungry 450W GPU.

@malchir4036 Год назад

We're waiting for the 8xxx series. 7xxx is just horrible with not many people willing to admit it. They better get their act together or my next build will be Intel.

@Alp577 Год назад

@@malchir4036 How is it horrible? It uses less energy, you don't need a big radiator to run it at it's peak, or an expensive DDR5 8000 to get the fulll potential.

@madmatt2024 Год назад

I know this is supposed to be an apples to apples comparison with all CPUs having 8 cores, but it's worth mentioning that the 7600 also matches or beats the 5800X3D in most games AND it only costs around $220. I just ordered the parts for my new build last night and was going to order a 7700X until I decided the extra 5 frames that I could potentially see over the 7600 just wasn't worth the $100 premium when I'm going to be gaming at 1440P. By the time it gets to the point that having 6 cores is limiting, I should be able to upgrade to a ZEN 5 CPU on the same board.

@Zuggaguz Год назад

Same here. I was recommended 7700 but I've come to the same conclusion that 7600 brings a lot better value and performs as well as the 5800x3d. Only in a situation where RTX 4090 is being used as the GPU can you see the difference in performance in 1080p. With 1440p and 4k, 7700 isn't worth the premium.

@adriankoch964 Год назад

Buying a 5800X3D is a life extension strategy for AM4 owners, while getting a 7600 is an entry strategy for new builders. There will be waay faster CPUs on AM5 than the 5800X3D (or even 7800X3D) for AM5 given enough time. I wouldn't jump on AM5 either, as for sure 8000 (or later) series Ryzen will come with new boards that will improve DDR5 speeds, while an EoL system with the fastest CPU for that plattform will make for a relatively easy sell on the used market. Someone that doesn't have the need 3+ NVME SSDs with 3GB+/s read speeds in their build could also just build a used AM4 system, which can be had drit cheap (i've seen complete systems incl RAM, SSD & GPU sell for $150), slap a 5800X3D in it, sell any bits you don't need and only jump onto AM5 in a later generation, then sell the old parts again.

@peterkolesar4020 10 месяцев назад

If I will be into gaming next year, Im planning to go with AM5 new build to replace my current Skylake badboy thats already serving well for some 5 years or more and videos like this a great help to choose exact CPU. Good job!

@erenc5150 Год назад

Test için teşekkurler. Hayatımı kurtardınız. Sayenizde uyku orucum sona erdi.

@Noel_573 Год назад

The AM5 non-X CPUs also have the huge benefit of only a 65W TDP, so they're incredibly easy to keep cool, which feels like a rarity for modern CPUs.

@beigebox1990 Год назад

Happy with my 5800X3D, no need to upgrade anytime soon.

@KrAyZi3GaMinG Год назад

yep

@AdalbertSchneider_ Год назад

Amen

@BennyKsBandwidth Год назад

The exact video I needed! Thanks Steve!

@tai_you Год назад

Thank you for doing this!

@chadmcquade3075 Год назад

Will be running my 5800x3d at least until end of 2024 beginning of 2025. Its amazing a pc i built in February 2019 has not only kept up but is still top tier by just upgrading my cpu on my x570 taichi.. since 2017 amd has been insane

@YataLocK Год назад

Love that the 5800X3D performs so well in RE4R, one of my favorite games of all time

@ronzerker390 Год назад

I picked up the 5800x3d even though the newer tech was coming out. It had way more value to me at the time. Im skipping this gen but im hoping they keep at it with these 3d chips. The 5800x3d stomps on anything ive ever used for gaming.

@lucingolo 24 дня назад

Same here, I'll probably wait until AM6 to upgrade my CPU.

@d9zirable Год назад

real answer is whichever matches your socket

@50H3i1 Год назад

Yeah but the point of this video is whether or not you should upgrade to AM5 or upgrade to best gaming cpu your AM4 motherboard supports

@manuj371 Год назад

Or more like pocket

@1budel Год назад

You sure...what about the 7700 Vs 7800x3d, they both match my socket

@50H3i1 Год назад

@@1budel yeah why whould a person who has bought and AM5 platform upgrade their cpu few months after?

@allah___maadarchod Год назад

What if it's your first time?

@goldfries Год назад

Nice. Also the tests here are done with the RTX 4090. The gap should be far less (or none) when using the RTX 4080 and below.

@Hardwareunboxed Год назад

It does depend heavily on the quality settings used.

@samgragas8467 Год назад

The gap between the 7600x and the 7800x3d is still 10% using a 4080 and 1440p ultra settings. 4k dlss quality renders at 1440p so the gap could be important.

@crazysc0tsman Год назад

Good info thank you. Personally would like to see the 3600 added to the list. Considering upgrading to the 5800x3d from the 3600 along with going from a gtx 1070 to a 7900xt.

@Muldeeer Год назад

That is a veery nice combo which you will enjoy for sure! I'd say go for it if you can.

@TheDarksideFNothing Год назад

That should be a pretty big uplift in any game and a HUGE uplift in some. Since you already have the Mobo and ram I think that's a good move and should be perfectly adequate for several years to come. Otherwise I'd go 7600 to get on AM5. Should be basically same performance as 7700 in most games while only costing $200-225 for the CPU. You'd have to buy a Mobo and RAM but then you're set up for a massive and cheap upgrade in the future.

@F1neW1ne Год назад

Thank you for all your hard work! Once again saved me time and money. Going to stick with my 5800X3D for another year I guess and see what comes after this round of hardware.

@beat_g9368 Год назад

Thank you very much for this test As the owner of a 7700 / B650E PC, I appreciate this. By the way, if you are looking for a content idea, I would love to see a GPU roundup for esport titles at competitive settings (low-medium, 1080/1440p), as most gamers can't afford the rtx 4090.

@marcreginvea328 Год назад

Nice comparison! I bought a prebuilt and is my first gaming PC, no regrets having a AMD 7700 as my CPU. Also, it comes with a stock cooler so that’s a good bonus :)

@theplayerofus319 Год назад

Is it doe? Stock coolers are a bit on the louder site imo

@razoo911 Год назад

well its impossible to have regret is one of the faster gaming cpu outside of the 3dcache cpu, and its the faster 8c/16 thread right now apart 7800x

@marcreginvea328 Год назад

@@theplayerofus319 Is it? I can barely hear mines.

@theplayerofus319 Год назад

@@marcreginvea328 well i guess you are lucky then. My stock 5600 cooler is sooooo loud i replaced it.

@GT86crazy Год назад

I was in a situation where I was comparing the 5800x3d vs going up to the AM5 platform. In the end, I went with the 5800x3d for a number of reasons: I could still use the 32gigs of good DDR4 I had and I needed ITX. AM5 ITX boards are still way too expensive. Will likely make the jump to AM5 next gen.

@SweatyFeetGirl Год назад

Your 5800x3d will last long enough for you to skip to am6 instead

@GT86crazy Год назад

@Blue I only game, so went with the 5800x3d. I did consider the 13600k with ddr4, which is similar cost where I am. The Intel option would destroy the 5800x3d in productivity

@MaTtRoSiTy Год назад

I have a 5800X3D, I game at 4k so am almost always completely GPU bound... so at this stage I just cannot justify AM5. I love an excuse to upgrade too but it just makes no sense in my use case

@GT86crazy Год назад

@Blue yeah, which is why I went with the AM4 option.

@GT86crazy Год назад

@@MaTtRoSiTy Yeah, unless you are rocking a 4090 you are unlikely to be running into CPU bottlenecks at 4K with the 5800x3d. Maybe with the 5090... maybe

@woit Год назад

nice informative video but I wish u've added more general task benchmarking instead of just gaming like handbrake, etc.. maybe in future videos?

@premierS3 Год назад

Thank you! Literally trying to make this decision atm. Looking forward to the 13700 comparison!

@AetiusPraetorian Год назад

I've been eyeing the 7700 for a while now for an upgrade over my ageing i5-7600k, looks to be an excellent price to performance processor.

@Rachit0904 Год назад

7600 and 7600X are even better value

@wyntje83 Год назад

5800X3D and 7700 are the same price where I live. I would love to see AM5 motherboards and DDR5 RAM get a little bit cheaper but even now I think its still worth it to take the short term price hit on AM5 today in favor of a longer upgrade path in the future. Eventually you can pick up a 7800X3D for an absolute steal.

@SweatyFeetGirl Год назад

Long upgrade path... Red gaming tech leaked that zen 6 will be likely on AM6, not AM5.... I HOPE its not the truth but who knows ?

@silentKeys20 Год назад

@@SweatyFeetGirlThat's insane if next gen is another socket. AM4 was great because of the upgrade path, AMD shouldn't drop their best selling point.

@jmtradbr Год назад

I buyed ryzen on first gen and MSI decided my B350 only would support until 3rd gen.

@XxDeViLBrInGeRxX Год назад

@@SweatyFeetGirl Thats why you should always buy and build in the moment and not to buy with intended promises that they tell you, AMD said the same treatment that AM4 had, would also apply for Threadripper, yet this was not the case and they had to release a whole different chipset for Threadripper 3000, and after that, they did not even release any more CPUs for it since Epyc was the next thing for HEDT/Server. Personally I would pick today something like the I5 13500 or 13600K for gaming if I was building new, you get the good features, decent motherboards aren't too expensive and you can use DDR4 which is going for cheap these days.

@jerrywatson1958 Год назад

@@jmtradbr You bought the wrong motherboard. I bought a Crosshair Hero VI x370, the DDR 3200 EVGA DDR4 ram worked otb. I have no upgrade issues now. But I have long since upgraded to the Crosshair Impact for my gaming pc. I now have a 2nd build waiting for another 5800X3D vs. the 5600X I have to put in it. Just buy a B550 and call it a day you will get another 2 years out of your system.

@notblazedfordays9536 Год назад

Thank you for doing 1080p as well!

@NatrajChaturvedi Год назад

A lot of parts in today's market do make quite a bit of sense but for new builders or people upgrading from very old generations where they upgrade to a new system almost. This is one of those, makes for a great CPU option for a gaming plus semi work focused build. Its people who like to upgrade piecemeal but fairly regularly like me who feel frustrated because a lot of options feel like sidegrades or bad value.

@syncmonism Год назад

This is exactly the kind of content that I like to see. This is a very useful comparison, which helps to show whether it's the bigger cache or the faster CPU cores which is making a bigger difference in each game. However, for now, I am still very happy with my 5600. I have started thinking about what I might upgrade to next though. I'm thinking maybe I'll upgrade to an 8600 or something in about two years.

@kotztotz3530 Год назад

I think that would be a great upgrade. I currently have a 7600 and it is blazing fast. I'm glad I didn't spend more money to get the 7700. There's such a small gaming performance difference between the two. I only play games at 80-90 fps so CPU isn't as important anyway.

@TheSoulCrucher Год назад

I have the 5600 too, upgraded from a 1600AF and it's an amazing CPU and a perfect combination to my 3060 ti.

@grospoulpe951 Год назад

yeah, the same on my side (a 5600X). Besides a few selected games, I think it's not worth upgrading for a few year, probably ZEN 6 or Intel equivalent. By that time AM5 platform will be EOL, so the choice will be easy (vs Intel), and much more powerful GPU will be available (eg: RTX 6000 / RX 9000) Anyway, let's wait and see how Starfield / upcoming UE5 will be, but, as we can see in Fortnite benchmark (using already UE5), there's not much difference between those three CPU (5800X3D, 7700, 7800X3D), so, I guess, it's going to be around the same with upcoming games in 2024+... Anyway, if I want to spend some money on an upgrade, I guess I'm going to follow some recommendation (eg: Hardware Canuck), like spending my money on a new good quality display (aka: 4k OLED/QDOLED 144Hz+, not yet available0

@InternetListener Год назад

@@grospoulpe951 the only upgrade it makes sense from a 5600 is to a 1440 or 2160p display with freesync. Games taht scale proportional to pixel count (resolution) are offering totally playable FPS than can be increasing by FSR/DLSS or better looking with DLAA, VSR, DLSR, DLSSR... GAmes that are limited at 1080 1440p can also be very good at 2160p most of the time, there is no 500€ cpu that will give you 4 times more FPS than your 125€ 5600x, why bother upgrading a fully functional part?

@grospoulpe951 Год назад

@@InternetListener Yeah, that's why I'm only thinking about upgrading to a 4k UHD OLED/QDOLED display 120Hz+ in a couple of years... probably a TV 65" as it's going to be as expensive (or even less) as a 32" WQHD 1440p OLED for PC. a RTX 6090, then, will probably be a nice upgrade for full-path RT in 2027... (with games released before then)

@wertywerrtyson5529 Год назад

I expected the 5800X3D to do better. Good to know the 7000 series is now a good buy. Especially with DDR 5 prices being much lower compared to last year.

@Underground.Rabbit Год назад

i think he is running 5800x3d at 3200 c14 like a dummy.

@XxDeViLBrInGeRxX Год назад

@@Underground.Rabbit Clearly said in the video that they tested the 5800X3d with G.Skill DDR4 3600mhz CL14, which is a good ram kit.

@theplayerofus319 Год назад

@@Underground.Rabbit you cant listen, 3600mhz cl14... who is the dummy now?

@stangamer1151 Год назад

Me too. You can't squezze any more performance out of 5800X3D here. But tuning DDR5 a little bit can give 7700 ~10% boost, which will make it faster and more appealing option. Especially taking into account all these sales AM5 components are participating in these days. 5800X3D NEEDS to be cheaper, to persuade me to choose it instead of moving to AM5.

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Год назад

@@Underground.Rabbit Get some ears or turn on subtitles. Can't see also ?

@Kishi7 Год назад

Fantastic. Thank you very much

@XBnPC Год назад

Gonna have to retest Again when the 6c/12t Zen 4 3D V-Cache launches 😂 Appreciate your hard work!!

@JohnEllisIII Год назад

5800X3D was an excellent purchase for me. Upgraded from a 3600. Also snagged a 3080 on a decent user deal.

@NGreedia Год назад

5800x3d is still over $300usd here locally. If I were upgrading today, I'd opt for a 7600/7600x and use the case saved towards a board as there are bundles with free ram, making the cost of the cpu, ram and board not much more than the 5800x3d alone. Since I'm on a 5600 and it's still running perfectly fine, It will probably be more sensible to wait a few years at the very least though until performance starts to feel sluggish which could be a ways from now

@KatamuroTheFirst Год назад

it does really depend on the local market, here in UK the 7700 is £300 or so, an am5 mobo is another £100 + 32gb of ddr5 is another £100. Meanwhile I already have an am4 board, 5800x3d is £275 and if I want to double my ram from 16 to 32 it's £40.

@puffyips Год назад

Then just buy a 5800x3d while you wait for the uplift till you build a whole new pc 🤷🏼‍♀️

@KatamuroTheFirst Год назад

@@puffyips I don't upgrade often and am5 is pricey right now. It might not be the right choice for everyone but it's also not just pure logic on my part. I have wanted a top line CPU for a while and this is the cheapest it gets.

@hermitx8573 Год назад

Thanks for the video

@markdavies981 9 месяцев назад

Good review. It would have been nice to include power consumption numbers. One advantage that the 7700 has over the others is the lower TDP, which could be an important consideration for small forma factor builds with limited power supplies. Just a thought.

@tyrantworm7392 Год назад

@Hardware Unboxed Hi Steve, is there any chance you could take a look at Digital Combat Simulator (free download for base game) ? The addition of ACC in your data is great, interesting that it has the interaction it has with 3d cache and was interested if this carries over to other sims/engines or is unique to the UE4 implementation in ACC.

@GT86crazy Год назад

I play DCS, and I think it'll be hard to bench, as singleplayer and multiplayer varies wildly. Online lobbies are typically a lot more CPU intensive, and would be hard to standardize in testing. I would be interested though, and even more interested in VR performance in games like DCS and MSFS

@Cup_70 Год назад

I bought a 7700x on launch to get onto the platform. Immediately my friend with a 5800x3d was getting every so slightly better perf in poorly optimized games such as Tarkov. Since then I upgraded my GPU so I'm not sure how that bottlenecking holds up today, so this video was hugely helpful for me! I plan to get a 8800x3d or 9800x3d when the time comes.

@lkz Год назад

Tarkov (and similarly Hunt Showdown) benefits very much from the X3D CPUs.

@puffyips Год назад

Should’ve just got 7800x3d from getgo

@StormEagle5 Год назад

For Total War Warhammer 3 CPU testing, consider running the campaign map benchmark, a custom turn end timer benchmark, or a loading time benchmark for game saves. Since end turn timers are heavily influenced by CPU, and majority of a campaign is spent on campaign map, and loading to and from the battles.

@cdrw1024 Год назад

תודה!

@sashjov1339 Год назад

Thanks for the review. Handy information. Does anyone know which review vid contained the "update per second" data set? I believe the test was performed on Facorio. I appreciate it's a niche subject as a large majority cares mainly about FPS. However, most of the games I play benefit more from having a decent CPU (HOI4, EU4, Stellaris, Factorio, etc...). FPS doesn't make much difference. It's how quickly you can get the game to update that improves the experience.

@memitim171 Год назад

Yeah be nice to have a few turn time benchmarks, in WH3 here we see there is no difference, but I seriously doubt late game turn times are the same.

@natashahoward2981 Год назад

It would be great have a benchmark like this

@ryantran6975 Год назад

just upgraded to 5800x3d from 2600x, gaming in 1440p in my 3070 ti is damn near perfect and is all I need.

@wayland7150 Год назад

A better CPU than a 5800X3D would gain you nothing on the 3070.

@GT86crazy Год назад

@Grumpy Grey I think the point wayland is trying to make is that pairing the 3070 with a CPU faster than a 5800x3d would not result in a performance boost, as you would likely be GPU limited in nearly all scenarios. Correct me if got that wrong.

@theplayerofus319 Год назад

@@wayland7150 even in 1440p and 4k on my 3070 i gained fps with a jump from 5600 to 5800x3d. Shows how little you know and still talk. Funny.

@theplayerofus319 Год назад

@@GT86crazy well the 1 and 0,1% lows still get better and my Performance on 1440p and even some 4k games rose because of the 5800x3d. So he Talks crap

@wayland7150 Год назад

@@theplayerofus319 I don't have direct experience of the RTX 3070 but I do of the RTX 3060 on RYZENs 3600X, 5700X and 5800X3D. There is a massive improvement when upgrading from a 3600X but no difference between the 5700X and the 5800X3D. I'm confident that the X3D can provide a performance improvement but not on GPUs less than a 3060. There is a significant difference between 6 cores and 8 cores not so much in max FPS but in smoothness and reduced stutter. Remember HUB is using an RTX 4090 which will show differences which simply don't show up with lesser GPUs which most people are likely to have. There are plenty of people using say a VEGA 56 on a RYZEN 2700X who have no idea they are bottle necked by their CPU. A RYZEN 5700X would be like a new GPU but an X3D would be the same uplift.

@Napalmdieter Год назад

Awesome comparison! Looking forward to seeing the i5 processors on the same chart! Could you also add the power consumption of the cpus during the test runs? Since this seems to be pretty low on AMD and pretty high on Intel, it is a huge factor for buyers.

@chrisduff5414 Год назад

Hey Steve, great work on the content. If you're going to the effort of comparing Intel's 13th Gen processors, could you also look at the 13600k? Thanks and keep up the great work.

@GrizzAxxemann Год назад

On a 5600 right now. I think I'll grab a 5800X3D and skip the 7000s, maybe wait and see what 2024-25 brings us.

@GT86crazy Год назад

Sounds like a good idea. AM5 should be more mature by then too, with better memory support and hopefully less explody.

@mrbobgamingmemes9558 Год назад

@@GT86crazy hopefully cheaper motherboard and ram kits, honeslty these two thing is huge dealbreaker for am5 for me

@bruddah_ Год назад

Bro I just bought a 5800x3d coming from a 3600 I can’t wait to see the gains!! I’m hyped af

@GT86crazy Год назад

@@bruddah_ That's going to be a huge upgrade! It'll be ready for a GPU upgrade too!

@bruddah_ Год назад

@@GT86crazy alright bro its finally up and running, and holy shit lmao.. its literally night and day, it seems like i got a whole ass gpu upgrade.

@ruxandy Год назад

Man... I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm very happy I bought the 5800X3D 6 - 7 months ago for 330 euros. One of the best experiences I've ever had with a new hardware purchase (fuss-free drop-in upgrade from Ryzen 3600X).

@mrsasshole Год назад

I'm in the same boat. At around the 8 month mark with my 5800x3d and it's been a tremendous gaming processor. I'll eventually move to an AM5 platform but it's not happening for at least a year. The 5800x 3d is still such a strong cpu.

@davidcole2337 10 месяцев назад

nice breakdown and recommendation.. Considering upgrading to Ryzen 7-5800x3D but for $50 more at Micro Center I can get new Motherboard, Ryzen 7700X, and 32 Gigs of Memory so may go that route for future CPU Support.

@VeloRakic Год назад

Thanks Steve!

@Buff-Wings Год назад

Having a really hard time deciding between am4 and am5 format right now with my new build. Bought a 6700k back in 2015 and it’s done me so well, but it will undoubtedly be a bottleneck if I want to upgrade my gpu. I’ve already decided on AMD for cpu and gpu, and I’d like to set myself up for the future by switching to the newest platform, but the 5800X3D’s performance is really compelling for AM4. That and the fact that I could use my old DDR4 RAM, buy a cheaper motherboard and maybe even use my old PSU. So it’s like I could set myself up for future upgrades better by adopting AM5 and DDR5, or for $300-400 less I could still get a big upgrade with the 5800X3D, but risk being bottlenecked again by my CPU and possibly RAM in another couple years.

@pipoygarapon 9 месяцев назад

Have you decided yet? Lol. Im currently having the same dilemma 😂

@Buff-Wings 9 месяцев назад

I went AM4 with the 5800X3D and a 6950xt, no regrets. Because I could repurpose the ram and got some crazy prime day deals I wound up getting the whole PC built for ~900, and I haven't had any issues with performance running games at 1440p max settings.. @@pipoygarapon

@danabell2709 Год назад

Thanks! This puts numbers to a lot of the stuff other folks told me when I was trying to decide what to do with my build. Since I doubt I'll get my hands on a 4090 class GPU anytime soon, I suspect the 7700 will serve my needs for years to come :)

@craigdaurizio686 Год назад

Great job Hardware Unboxed team, awesome video. I'm curious, it feels like there's a lot more time between lesser known channel reviews of mobile parts and you guys. I'm dieing for a review of mobile zen 4 after watching about 10+ videos on all of the new processors. Any idea when that content will drop? I'm personally interested to know how zen 4 stacks up vs m2 at 15W, as finally we're on similar nodes. Thanks!

@Rachit0904 Год назад

Check out Jarrod’s Tech, he has very good reviews and comparisons. Idk if HUB will review more laptop CPUs tbh.

@larsvassenjansen1651 Год назад

Excellent comparison and benchmarking, Steve. The turnaround from the original 5800X3D vs 7800X3D video, was phenomenal, and i think we can all agree that those willing to still gamble on AMD with the AM5 platform, that the Ryzen 7 7700 is the most cost effective way to get on the newer, faster platform. However, feel that Intel really has some compelling 13000 Series, low to mid range sku's that are better than almost anything AMD has (under) delivered on AM5. Really looking forward to the price to perf' benchmarks.

@death2humans125 Год назад

I would like to see the 13600k thrown into the next comparison aswell because at launch the gap between 13600 and 13700 wasn't all that big even with 2 less p cores and in terms of value for money combined with the lower power target it seems like it could also be a viable option for people looking at this level of performance in gaming especially at 1440p and 4k. I could be wrong though as i am not an expert.

@razoo911 Год назад

they have 5800x/ 7700 like performance

@TechOtaku86 Год назад

No point, its literally weaker in gaming

@death2humans125 Год назад

@@TechOtaku86 by that logic the only cpus that should be tested for amd vs intel is the 7800x3d and the 13900KS. The best isnt the only thing people look at when purchasing new hardware

@TechOtaku86 Год назад

@@death2humans125 and for what? More expensive RAM? More expensive motherboards? Dont get me wrong i have no problem with testing but if the overall cost is more expensive like which a CPU that can be paired with the shittiest RAM and shittiest motherboard but still able to retain 95% of its performance than the 13600k which require everything to be good, expensive RAM and expensive Motherboards to even draw 95%+ of its performance then the former option is a no-brainer, dont you think eh?

@Kyush4 Год назад

@@TechOtaku86 it is not

@scottgardiner7418 Год назад

Locally (Canada) the 7700x is often priced lower than the 7700, Not sure how this make sense.

@Mechenzo440 Год назад

Maybe they have to much stock

@syncmonism Год назад

I'm guessing that's because the 7700 is actually selling better, possibly because of better reviews. They're more or less the same CPU, but come with different default operating settings. You can fairly easily tune either to be more like the other one, though the "silicon lottery" will also cause individual units of each to vary a bit in terms of what frequencies and voltages they'll be able to run stable at. Personally, I'd say that the 7700's default settings are preferable, whereas the 7700X is definitely less efficient, with very minimal performance benefit.

@sephondranzer Год назад

That because Canadians are basically Americans, only their heads are messed up (source: South Park - look at them talk).

@oRicardoHetfield Год назад

Man I just purchased a 7700x for 250€!! The 7600x is the same price and the 7700 is 319€!! I just don’t understand these prices 😅

@Woodzta Год назад

Remember though you still need a cooler for the 7700X. I just went with an AK120 for simplicity but others might want to consider the PA120 if it's not too much more.

@icebear_ Год назад

Thank you!

@michal1693 Год назад

upgraded from z87 4670k to 7700x and asrock b650-hdv/m.2. very satisfied so far. I've considered am4. will see this comparison with interest

@CameraObscure Год назад

The thing is buying the best CPU for the games you like to play is how I made my decision a few months back. So the R7 5800X3D is perfect in my use case and I don't need a 4090 to get the most out of it. looks like the 7800X3D is the same banging CPU for AM5 as the 5800X3D is for AM4.

@silentKeys20 Год назад

I'd say the best bang for buck CPU for AM5 is the 7600X. You get 5800X3D performance which is enough for most gaming use cases, and get the AM5 platform for future upgrades. The 7800X3D is great, but not the same way as the 5800X3D, because that one is just a CPU swap to an existing system (which you can sell your old CPU for) while the 7800X3D requires a whole new system.

@zaynen550 Год назад

True for example the 7700 is wayy superior in valorant than the 5800x3d

@dhLotan Год назад

Doesn't valorant run at 300+ frames even on a potato? Who cares.

@konic40 Год назад

Bro, the 7800x3d is over 33% the funds more than the 7700, no cooler, and an average of like only 15% better. the only thing that might save 7800x3d it is if more games are like Hogwarts and then its going to be even with the 7700 in cost per frame. thinking more on it if running 1440 or 4k or a lesser gfx card the 7800x3d cant be justified

@CameraObscure Год назад

@@konic40 Like I said for the games I play it performs great, and I was on AM4 so a no-brainer for me.

@knowbert Год назад

I upgraded 5800x3d from a 5600g and it actually smoothed out the performance of my 6600xt to a noticeable margin. I didn't think that would happen so it's pretty cool.

@45eno Год назад

Well if you are on a b550/x570 then that 5800x3D also gave your 8x gimped card proper bandwidth now running at Gen4 spec. You were running gen3 with the 5600G.

@knowbert Год назад

@@45eno please explain 45eno. isnt 5600g still zen3?

@45eno Год назад

@@knowbert yes it’s zen3 but the G version is Gen 3 only. Same with the 5500. The lowest tier zen3 gen4 supported cpu is the 5600 non G. If you are on a gen 4 motherboard (b550/x570) then you have now allowed your 8x gpu to get full bandwidth. 8x is cut down from the standard 16x gpus. This means when paired up on gen3 systems you get a double performance hit from both gen3 speeds and half that at 8x. My garage pc is a 5600G/b550 and a GTX1080. I have five 6600xt’s in my home with x570 and at least 5600 cpus, some 5600x and 5800x. It’s a shame the 5600G was Gen3 only as it didn’t really make a great hold you over gpu during the gpu drought because once paired with a modern gpu it would limit any gpu to gen 3. Not nearly as big of a concern on similar performance cards like rx6700 with its 16x bus.

@knowbert Год назад

@@45eno im starting to understand the radical computing. it only gave a few extra frames but it did improve the fluidity and eliminated stutters. i do have b550f. it has 2 m.2 nvme slots. i know the top slot is 4.0 x4 but do you know what the bottom speeds is? how did you get so many cpu's?

@45eno Год назад

@@knowbert Download your boards manual. It’ll tell you what it is. My B550 board is gen4 (7000)for the first m2 but won’t even do full speed (3500) Gen3 on the 2nd slot. That’s why when deals came along I upgraded all (except garage pc) to x570 so everything was gen4. As far as my nine AM4 systems all on zen3. Yes I have a problem. One for each of us in the house and a handful of media PCs and shop PC. I know I know. 2 of the media PCs and shop pc gets barely any use. Just a hobby that I have upgraded when excellent deals present themselves. For example I paid next to nothing for the b550 board , $80 for new 5600g , $80 gtx1080, $40 bdie 16gb kit. I buy almost everything except cases , power supplies and usually NVMe drives used. Still adds up though.

@NightBreakerDK Год назад

good video. thanks.

@Kpng100 Год назад

Nice stuff Steve. I have a 7700x and am pleased with it over my 3770 so no problem with a few losses here. For the next one could you do the 13700k and 13500 vs the zen 4's? I have been recommending the 13500 to people building as it's a great mix of price/performance for intel fans. Cheers

@lixxor6 Год назад

13500 is a pretty good cpu

@socandyman Год назад

I think a 5600x would have been useful info for people considering an upgrade

@iikatinggangsengii2471 11 месяцев назад

really hardware nowadays like real dirt cheap, bought this 8400 for more than 5600x performs prob half as fast, 3080 can be owned at 1060 price like wut 4x fps

@cracklingice Год назад

Personally I think the 12700k makes more sense to compare than the 13700k. It'd be a fair amount more work, but I think it'd be interesting to do a 12700k, 13600k and 13700k comparison video and then a follow up mixing the more interesting comparisons. Or release the videos in opposite order, have the interesting cross brand comparison then then intel comparison.

@rustler08 Год назад

13600k>12700k

@cracklingice Год назад

@@rustler08 8c > 6c Don't fall for cinebench numbers.

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@fracturedlife1393 Год назад

I clicked past this thinking it was an old one. Damn Steve must have landed and got straight to it. Thanks for ACC inclusion.

@mannyc19 Год назад

Great video. Please do the 13600k comparison.

@nowherebrain Год назад

before I press play...5800x3d, done...now I will click like and watch the video. EDIT: so after watching the video...it's still the 5800x3d..sure there are a lot of times the 7700 comes out ahead, but seem mostly like they trade blows...plus the overhead of a whole new ram and mobo cost and the 7700 is A LOT more expensive...so if you're building a new PC that you plan on upgrading sure, the 7700 is fine, but if you already have an am4 platform...5800x3d is the clear choice....simply comparing the chip prices means nothing...we have to consider if you are upgrading or building from scratch...what's your budget...etc.. YOU CANNOT BUILD AN AM5 SYSTEM WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, this is flat out wrong. an am4 system with a 5800x3d will be vastly cheaper if you do a like for like system...there is no way to get around the ddr4 vs ddr5 cost..the am4 simlply cannot use it...so there is money saved/perf loss and also the motherboards for am5 are drastically more expensive...you could even get an x570 board(or possibly a B series) and run a 5800x3d...more money saved. the 5800x3d, still has a good 3 years left in it.

@silentKeys20 Год назад

5800X3D gives 80% at worst and on par at best as the newer gen, with the benefit of just having to swap CPU's for an existing system. It's such a no brainer upgrade for old systems.

@nowherebrain Год назад

@@silentKeys20 ofc. BUT the cost for building a new system is still much lower if you go with am4 and the 5800x3d...it's still highly competitive with the new systems..so why would anyone build an am5 platform, when this is still good for this entire new generation..makes no sense. Only difference is productivity and then you are looking at other cpus anyway.

@mirceastan4618 Год назад

The 3D chips are great to say the least, but this is a very good reminder, that unless you have unlimited budget or a specific game set, there's no point in getting them instead of the regular parts, putting the difference towards a better GPU.

@brohvakiindova4452 Год назад

Well that's kind of also an issue, the testinig is (of course) leaning towards mainstream games only. The games that benefit most from a better CPU are typically not mainstream, but typically have 2 characteristics: 1 detailed simulation or 2 just tremendously scaling numbers of entities (or a mix of both) Games like Factorio, Cities Skylines, X4 Foundations, Anno 1800 and many more have a complete different requirement on CPU and yes that's of course pretty specific game preference but it would actually help to illustrate which games benefit more from a good CPU. On the other hand some games are just coded badly and hit a limit before CPU can be utilized fully, so you'll never get perfectly accurate results anyway. Still a very good test of course and some of the games have the tendency to be CPU heavy.

@jemborg Год назад

Very well put, _exactly_ what I did. 😁👍

@LupusAries Год назад

Depends I agree with Brohvakiin Dova on this, I recently (Well more like the last two years) I benched my hardware and a few settings step by step. Held up my Ryzen 5000 build with the 5800X3D and it's not always a no brainer that a better graphics card will give you better performance in everything. If we look at gamesets, in simulators you can get some very surprising results. So I test ran my old System (i5-6600k @4.3 ghz, 32 GB of DDR4-3000 CL15, Asus ROG Maximus VIII Hero* several SATA SSD+HDD) with some of the new/newer components and some of the results are funny. Dirt Rally 2.0 for example doesn't give a shit about an NVME SSD, yeah it will run faster than on a SATA SSD (61 to 56 P0.1 fps), but on SATA SSD with 64GB 3600 CL18** it was even faster at 71.4 P0.1 fps. Those are the 0.1% lows, pretty much the lowest lows you ever will see. NVME SSD+3600 CL18 had 68.4 P0.1 fps. We're talking +15 fps on the 0.1 low fps by replacing the RAM. Arma 3 loved the NVME +10 fps on the 0.1% lows, nearly doubling it from 13-15.7 fps to 24.1 fps and then gained +5 fps across the board. DCS loves both the fast RAM and lots of it, the reason why I got 64GB, and the NVME drive. fps are up across the board but not too much but the increase in smoothness is ridiculous. Kingdom Come Deliverance more than doubled it's 0.1% low fps from 8.1 and multiple major stutters going through Rattay to 24.6 fps simply by installing an NVME drive (PCIe 3.0) and the average and Medians rose +12fps. The stutters got reduced to one major stutter and no minor stutters. While DDR4-3600 had neglible effect. IL-2 Great Battles didn't care much for the NVME SSD, but 64GB of DDR4-3600 gave +14 fps on the 0.1% lows. I went from 46 fps to 60 fps 0.1% lows. Bot those upgrades cost me less than a graphics card, hell less than 4060Ti and they had a very appreciable impact on my gaming experience. It's these small updates that are often overlooked and can keep a PC from reaching it's full potential. *got that as an replacement for an MSI Z170 Carbon that died, and the Hero was on sale, cheaper than the Ranger or other boards for 123-130 Euros IIRC. ** 64GB 3600 CL16 was 340 Euros instead of 225 Euros for a CL18 64GB Kit about 6 months ago.

@mrbobgamingmemes9558 Год назад

True you dont really need that 3d vcache cpu unless you are playing esport games like, dota, csgo, valorant, apex legend, or simulation games like, cities skylines, teardown, beamng drive (with ai traffic), factorio, flight sim, or any other tycoon/management sim games

@jemborg Год назад

@@LupusAries All the same, I don't think I'd swap my 7700 with its PNY 4090 and 32GB of cheap DDR5* for a lesser gpu, X3D and 64GB ram. *G-Skill Flair X5 6000MHz CL 36-36-36-96 tuned to 30-34-34-76 @1.4v. Of course I have a fast 2T PCIe4 gaming SSD and a decent mobo for upgrading later. (I'm all about the 1% lows as all I need is 120fps Max.)

@aotrieu4234 Год назад

Good job hardware unbox once again

@SAFFY7411 Год назад

Looking at ACC results, it's interesting to see the differences in the CPUs. Say the uninformed shopper paired a 4090 with a 7700x, they'd get less performance than someone with a X3D chip but with a lesser GPU due to the reliance on the CPU. The next gen of AC will have its own engine and won't rely on UE to power it, it'll be interesting to see how the performance between CPUs and GPUs stacks up. Would love a dedicated benchmark video on sim racing titles if you've the time Steve, it's a very niche genre of gaming without the library of benchmarks for sim racers to reference when building systems for their favourite sim racing titles.

@ojassarup258 Год назад

Really curious to see how the 7800X3D compares to 7900/X in mixed workloads (gaming + productivity) and efficiency! All 3 are in the 400-440$ range.

@Djuntas Год назад

It only pulls 65 watts in gaming, max 75 watts. 7800X3D is amazing for less electricity cost. Also cooled easily under my NHD-15.

@wayland7150 Год назад

It will depend on the GPU or the resolution. Hardware Unboxed have a habit of showing CPU performance using an RTX 4090. Unless you have a high end GPU then there is no FPS difference. However there is a huge difference in CPU heavy workloads.

@chunk3875 Год назад

5800x3d had a great run my favorite cpu i ever owned and still run in my current build

@tacoking5685 Год назад

What do you mean "had a great run"? It's only been out for just over a year. You don't sound like an intelligent person.

@chunk3875 Год назад

@@tacoking5685 lady relax why so angry?

@edwardhood6252 Год назад

I'm also a very proud owner of the 5800x3d. I'm so happy with it's performance, that I won't be building an AM5 system for quite a while yet. The only upgrades I have planned at the moment are faster DDR4 for my X570S AORUS ELITE AX and a faster GPU to replace the RX6600 I'm currently running. My current ram, btw, is 4x8 3200 cl16. I'm looking at a 2x16 3600 cl16 setup.

@Kylethejobber Год назад

Would it be dumb going form a 5900x to a 5800x3d I have been thinking about making the jump

@MrClauried Год назад

I think it will be very interesting if the i5 13600k joins in on the fray

@vukkzor Год назад

Especially if you overclock it to 5.6Ghz allcore which is kinda easy to do, but 5.5 Ghz allcore could be achieved with minimal effort since it requires almost no voltage increase. It is a gaming beast for sure and its kinda cheap nowdays, especially the 13600KF, the only downside is the motherboard costs imo, and the higher powerdraw but in gaming thats not an issue imo.

@lightward9487 Год назад

@@vukkzor I have i5 13600KF power hahaha

@TSF71 Год назад

The Ryzen 7 5700x is my pick ❤

@wayland7150 Год назад

Yes with GPU such as RTX 3060 or less it's exactly the same performance as an X3D.

@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184 Год назад

@@wayland7150 might as well get a 5600 non x then...

@wayland7150 Год назад

@@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184 Might as well not get that since the 5700X is about the same price as a 5600.

@CaptHandsome42 Год назад

Hi there. I love your videos. Thanks for all the great info. I am running a R5 3600 on a ROG STRIX B450-F, with a 3070 Ti and 32GB of DDR4 at 1600mhz. I am debating on a new build, or dropping in a CPU and going for a few more years. From most of my research, there's no other Zen 4 chip that's worth upgrading to (except the 5800X3D), and the 3070 is not going to hold up for much longer (I play in 1440p). New build or upgrade?

@davidandrew6855 Год назад

I think it depends on what you want to be honest. Is it just a CPU upgrade now? You could throw in a 6950XT, if you can find one, and be set for a while with a 5800x3D. The 6950XT will net you 40% more raster performance over the 3070TI and can be found for less than $650. Paired with a 5800X3d you are probably looking at $850 to upgrade, but I would think a good 3 more years at 1440p. If just the CPU upgrade think about the 5700x and I've seen that for under $200 and it is a considerable upgrade for you, and me I'm still running a 1600 in my desktop. At 1440p, it is probably around 10% slower than the 5800X3D in a large selection of games with a 3090TI, as it is basically a 5800x. If you are keeping that 3070TI, then it would be the bottleneck, so no need to buy the more expensive 5800X3D. For me if I'm going to spend anywhere close to $1000 to upgrade, I'm seriously looking at a new build with really balanced new(ish) parts. But that 5700x at sub $200 is a very good upgrade that could most likely see you through to Zen 5. if you can tolerate that 3070TI for another 18 months.

@thraxas79 Год назад

Nice comparison, but what does it mean vor VR Gaming? Should I look at the 1% lows for smoothness or is it mostly GPU bound and I could ignore the CPU? So even with my 3080 Ti I can‘t run any game at max resolution and ultra settings in VR ^^ So how could this or any benchmarks be translated for VR users?

@gamingmabsaa9616 8 месяцев назад

In my country 7700 is 260$ And 5800x3D is 400$

@valentin3186 7 месяцев назад

5800X3D is laughably overpriced but still there are people that buy and will buy it. You can buy 7500F+b650 board+2x16 6000 memory for the price of 5800X3D in my country too. 7800X3D on promo is the same price lol

@itsapersonn Год назад

Remember, this is a 65w chip, so it is crazy efficient.

@alb9229 Год назад

It gets even more efficient with undervolting .

@OcihEvE Год назад

7700 was my alternative option. I ended up getting the 7900 but both are a 65 watt solution and in the end, I was in a position to put down the extra $150 Cad so I did. If you have hesitation about dealing with AM5 in general the 5800X3D is a more plug and play option. While my motherboard was fine with the 7900 it was not fine with the cl30 6000 ram I went with and I had to flash from a USB stick to get it to train the ram. I know in the back of my mind any hardware combo I went with was going to get 4 or 5 years because I will force it. So roll with whatever you can manage.

@goldfries Год назад

7900 is a fantastic (less appreciated) CPU! I love it to bits.

@heirtothethrone000 Год назад

Yeah I'm looking at the 7900 for my new build as well.

@Noethos Год назад

I did a semi full upgrade in December last year where i went from: Intel i5-6600(4c4t), 16gb 2133mhz ram, 1080ti and a mix of hdds and ssds. To R7 5800x3d(8c16t), 32gb 3000mhz ram, same 1080ti and m.2 for boot and game drive. To me the upgrade was massive as is tho I am planning a gpu upgrade when the prices go more down along with a new 1440p monitor at some point. Mainstream games like Overwatch 2 and dead by daylight plays very good on this setup. I'm very pc knowledge limited so i chose to go with the am4 platform even tho the upgrade situation isn't really there right now, but hoping that I can squeeze some 3-4 years outta this tech then save up in the meanwhile for the next gen - be that continuing with amd or swapping back to intel, I'm not sure.

@AvroBellow Год назад

There's another advantage that the Ryzen 7 7700 has for new system builders (albeit a small one) in that the Ryzen 7 7700 has a CPU cooler included while the Ryzen 7 5800X3D does not. That makes the 7700 ever so slightly cheaper than the 5800X3D.

@akafede4351 Год назад

A thing to notice on the 7700, it demolishes the 5800x3d on emulation if it's your thing

@richarddobson4marrickville Год назад

@@akafede4351 I would be interested to see how the 7700 fares against the i7-11700K for PS3 emulation

@akafede4351 Год назад

@@richarddobson4marrickville If memories serves me right, the 7000 series lands between 12k/13k performance on emulation

@MTBScotland Год назад

if only I had a 4090 these results would actually mean something. scaling with different GPUs is important for consumers

@alb9229 Год назад

I mean if you have a weaker GPU then you know the margins would be even lower .

@turboimport95 Год назад

if you have a lower gpu, there will still be a gap like you see, you will only get less fps at the high-end.

@svn5994 Год назад

Waaa waaa waaaa

@gamegenieny581 Год назад

Great vid. Going to start fresh with am5 !

@AllGreatTruths Год назад

I used a 9900k for years and recently upgraded to the AM5 platform with a 7800x3d. It has been a massive improvement in all areas for me and I would recommend that everyone get the most out of their systems and not upgrade at all if you are still using 11th or 12th gen Intel or Am4.

@user-nj8fy4px8x Год назад

Ryzen 7700 and a RTX 4070 is a great combo. 65 watt CPU and < 200 watt GPU. That's a whole lot of power efficiency. I'm just waiting (like everyone else) for the price of the 4070 to come down to $450-500 range. This will probably be my next build. 4-5 years down the road I'll upgrade the CPU to whatever the current "x3d" part is and get the then current < 200 watt king gpu. Pretty good value and power efficieny. I like it. Thanks for the great videos, gents!

@marcreginvea328 Год назад

I got a prebuilt gaming PC with the same CPU and GPU you just mentioned, you are indeed correct, the combination of these two are powerful and very power efficient.

@Cygnus-Phi Год назад

The 7600 is a far better option than the 7700. For gaming it's pretty much identical and it's much cheaper making upgrading later much more efficient. Besides, no one who is going to use a 5800 or 7700 is going to pair that with a 4090 so they'll run into gpu limits much sooner anyway.

@GULIwer1980 Год назад

Wonder is it possible to add engine used in game next to it? Maybe some engines likes 3D cache, and other some more Hz? Maybe sorting by it also? 2nd request would be sorting games by genre. Wonder will on avg say shooters plays better on nV and RTS on AMD?