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@@timothyandrewnielsen It certainly is the best in socket upgrade I've seen personally. AM4 is probably going to be a bit of legend in generations future. We'll be all like 'back in my day'.
i started on a r5-1600 on a b350 in may 2017 when it was pretty fresh i slotted in a 3700x in on the b350 last year or something :D not quite as bitg of a jump you got, but 28% better single threading still ain't nothing to sneeze at, doubling up that l3 cache and the seperated uncore makes it far less memory clock sensitive too, so i'm riding this AM4 bitch until the wheels fall off
I have the 7800x3d with a 7900xtx and Lords of the fallen still stutters when moving between areas even though it's had many patches to date. Nothing a CPU can do about a poorly optimised game engine.
I went from 5900x to 5800x3D to 5800x to 7600x to 7800x3D in the last 10 weeks. Vanilla 5000 series definitely didn’t let my 6900xt breath as well compared to both 3D and 7600xt. Snagged smoking prices with very very little out of pocket. 7800X3D was a local buy but was sealed brand new for $340. Sold my 5800x3D for $280.
That's the kind of nonsense that is spread around. Your 3080 pulls around 320w, probably three to four times more power than your Intel did (assuming you played 1440p or 4k), your current build probably pulls even MORE power than your old one, but somehow your old one was a space heater. Right, sure buddy. What fucking ever
@@KiSs0fd3aTh I can’t explain it other than the 10 core intel always needed max power. The 3080 aurus extreme was OC factory max and I’m now using 2 dims of ram not 4 but my room is cooler. The system doesn’t even try hard in games most of the time. Its just more efficient at hitting 144hz so your thinking is flawed as you are only concerned with max tdp
@@mattx4253 I have a 4090 myself dude, both my 12900k and my 14900k are below 80w (in fact the 12900k hovers around 50-60) playing at 4k. Does you 3d pull 20w or what?
@@KiSs0fd3aTh I had a 10850k clocked 5ghz all core. Pulled mega wattage. My 3080 was the extreme model. Im also not at 4k im at 1600p widescreen 38" This 7800X3d and 4090 Trio X combined just max out my 144hz in the sweet spot of the power curve which is efficient. My 10850k and 3080 were always maxed out and couldnt break 100fps in most games even turned down.
@@mattx4253 So you are comparing a stock with a clocked CPU, right. Are you autistic by any chance? And of course your old build could break 100 fps, you had a 3080, lol.
@@stealthhunter6998 Allegedly UE5.4 will bring some pretty big multi-threading optimizations. But given how game development has become this generation, we probably won't see these benefits until 2025 sadly.
@@portman8909 Indeed, even when software Lumen is in use it's pretty steep. Disabling it boosts FPS a decent amount, but still the requirements are high. IMO games that have a large amount of static lighting are better off developed in UE4 as the older engine is in a good place now (mostly). Take Ghostrunner 2 and Lies of P for example. Both look visually solid and run extremely well.
I waited and waited with a 3570K for the first Ryzen mATX X-chipset motherboard. That's the one thing I will never compromise on. It took until X570 to arrive (thanks ASRock!) and by that time I already could go for 5800X3D as my first upgrade since Ivy Bridge. 11 years, how's that for an update cycle!?
@@abdirahmanmusa2747 i can get it over 200 in warzone, close to 300 in Finals beta, i am waiting for that one to come out... nothing fancy, just chaep 3600 cl 16 sticks and b550 mb...
@@Vinterloft i am not far from that, 3770k and gtx 580 Light extreme was my last serious rig until i bought am4 about 1 and half years ago but i had 5600 and 5700x in there before x3d
I just upgraded to the 7800x3d from the i7 8700. Wow, what a difference, now I just need to upgrade my 3080, but I think I will wait till the next batch of AMD and NVIDIA cards drop before I upgrade.
I went with the 7800x3d awhile ago.... what's impressed me most.... the reduction in my electric bill.... amazing the power per watt with it and my 7900xtx.
If you wanted the ultimate reduction in power while maintaining high fps, then the 7800x3d with a 4090 would be much better than your 7900xtx. The 4090 is so efficient when undervolted.
@@TheJonazasas typical of amdTards, they complain about intel cpu power draw while their rdna3 gpu pull that much in difference simply idling. 7800x3d + 4090 is the most power efficient setup.
i changed from an undervolted 13600k with 4800/3000mhz allcore setting with 3600 cl14 ram to a 7800x3d co -30 5800 cl28 setup. around +50% performance by -50% powerconsumption. the powerconsumption was the biggest hit for me. to be fair, under fps lock and gpu limit both have enough power and the powerconsumption is only a little lower on the 7800x3d. only in cpu limiting szenarios the powerconsumption difference is big.
Would be really great to hear you guys talk about cache-coherent interconnects like CXL providing high-bandwidth PCIe at extremely low latency and if/when we might see this tech migrate from servers to mainstream and the affect it could have on gaming and computing. A few years ago we heard all about the PS5s I/O accelerator and how the Oodle Kraken & texture decompression was a game-changer but we've yet to see anything like it on PC (Windows crappy implementation of DirectStorage does not count, in my opinion) What are you thoughts on this?
I have the exact same set up 7800x3D, 4090, x670e hero. Buuut Initially I was running corsair vengeance 5600 but the system kept crashing. Just purchased some G skill 6000hz cl30 hoping it will improve things.
@@Strengthoftenmen Have you updated your BIOS to the latest version? It's a necessity on these boards. The BIOS this board shipped with has unstable DDR5 support and also will kill your 7800X3D due to too much SoC voltage.
The parallelization is the hard part. You almost have to make a script that will look for CPU's and create profiles based on the core and thread count. This will take time. This is where AI would be very helpful. It can be in the background optimizing threads for a 4, 6, 8, 12, and 16 core CPU. It would run a check to see the core count and execute the the script to start the threading in Windows scheduler or a pre-baked in engine scheduler. This way tasks can be offloaded to various threads based on the criticality. For instance, a thread may just be used to complile shaders in the background constantly. Future engines will need to focus on multi-core threading in earnest. You can have the fastest IPC on the planet. It will mean nothing if the engine cannot properly use most, if not all the cores and threads at its disposal. I have a 5950x. In newer games it is being used to at 7-20% based on what is enabled. I know it is not the fastest CPU on the market in terms of IPC. But, if utilized properly is still very fast. TLDR, the CPU's are not really the problem unless they are budget level CPU's. The utilization of them is and will be till engines are centered around getting the most out of them.
Enabling EXPO at 6400 may have halved the unified clock reducing performance. Check ZenTimings and make sure the UCLK matches the MCLK. If not, you need to adjust the UCLK setting to UCLK=MCLK (not /2). Hopefully your X3D will be able to run 6400 UCLK 1:1, otherwise you may need to drop down to 6200 or 6000.
Also, you want to make sure your board didn't ramp up the VDDP with the profile. Asus and MSI are pretty bad with this, thats the DDR5 I/O and anything over 1.000V (default AMD setting is 800mv) can make it super unstable without crashing.
Just upgraded to this when MicroCenter put it on an early Black Friday sale for only $299! It wuickly went back up to $369 like a day later 😅. So far so good. My games 1% lows seem a lot stronger, GPU stays near 99-100% more often, and strangely it runs cooler than my 7700X.
Firstly you scored on that ridiculous price! Secondly, the 7800X3D pulls about 30-40% less wattage in gaming and almost 50% less in multi core workloads.
Definitely agree with Richard on the 5800X3D. I think it's worth keeping in mind that AMD tried several times to break forwards compatibility on AM4, but the whole platform is better off for their eventual concession and extension of AGESA support to 300-series boards. There are other limitations to consider when using such an old board (limited PCIe speeds and expansion being the main one), but I was able to drop a 5800X3D into the same board I purchased back in March 2017 with a Ryzen 7 1700 - nothing short of a gigantic increase in CPU and especially gaming performance. Newer CPUs and BIOS updates also dramatically increased RAM compatibility to the point where I've gone from having to downclock a two-stick RAM setup from 3200 to 2666 to get stability all the way to four sticks at a lazy 3600 CL16 with headroom for lower timings.
I did a similar upgrade. I have a MSI B450 Tomahawk Max motherboard with great VRMS, it had a Ryzen 7 2700x in it and I upgraded to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D which was a huge performance leap. My only problem that is only a single M.2 PCI-E 4x slot, so I use a 2TB SSD in it. I put an RTX 4080 next to the CPU only PCI-E x16 3.0 but so far no PCI-E bandwith bottleneck and the CPU is also doesn’t bottleneck the GPU.
it is a mixed bag in all honesty. While we do got - because i kind of did the same - a new sparky cpu, we miss on other amenities that a 2017 board like mine didn't had compared with a 2020 or 2021 board, what means that we actually do not take full advantage of the cpu... we get close, maybe 90 to 95% of the real potential.Eventually for professional reasons in early 2022 (February) I actually needed more m.2 4x and because of that , on that specific timeframe, I had to go intel way since the z690s had been out and had 4x m.2 4x slots - and AMD's upcoming platform was by then still multiple months away. So sometimes we do value too much cpu socket upgradeability since while it is nice some 4 years down the road to have an upgrade, in 4 years multiple things moved on and we end lagging on multiple aspects , and that depending on each own's personal needs, can vary from a minor inconvenience to actual time loss , and that is bad when time=money.
I just built a new rig 6 weeks ago with a 7800X3D and an RX 6950 XT and I couldn't be happier. It's been a few years since I have built a PC from scratch and the build process was seamless. Go treat yourself to some 6000 MT/s RAM.
@@BigGreyDonut To be fair though the performance jump isn't actually worth the price because R5 7600 is a great value but man, the DF is helping hardware producers 😂
I got the 5800X3D because it ran Star Citizen the best out everything out at the time but then I realized every other game I play ran much smoother so now if it doesn't have 3D at the end I don't want it.
@@DeepStone-6 I had the 5800X3D and also the 7800X3D but i might stay with the Zen5 without V-Cache because the Zen architecture likes tuned DRAM. In Star Citizen a tuned Zen4 is almost faster than a Zen4 with V-Cache because some games want the +600 Mhz and for some games the additional 64MB L3 is not enough. There are testers out there on RU-vid who compared the latest intel and amd CPUs with tuned DRAM and with tuned DRAM Intel is often ahead, like in Star Citizen. So i think about buying the ""vanilla"" zen5 and tune it as good as i can with DRAM 6400 and beyond (subtimings). ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HzPrGv22R7g.html
Hardware unboxed used it in almost all of their benchmarks when it was still relatively new. It’s conclusively better than 10900k, and pretty close to 12900k, sometimes slightly better. 7800x3d is easily the best gaming cpu when you consider the price.
I just upgraded from a ryzen 5600 to the 7800x3d and wow what an upgrade more then doubled my fps in warzone 2 and mw3 and I play at 3440x1440 so yes cpu matters at higher resolutions as well
CPU matters at 4k especially with a 4090, my 4090 is pretty much never at 99% usage on any game at 4k Ultra, and RT makes matters worse because a 5900X just can't do it. But seeing a 7800X3D and 14900K on benchmarks, they only do like 30% better which isn't worth spending another $2000AUD just yet.
Since they've managed to get 16 core CCXs on the newest I think Threadripper CPUs, I'd imagine the 8950X will be just a single CCX, but who knows. Either they ditch the CCX, or they increase the core count. If we've got another 2x8 core CPU I think people are gonna be pretty mad. I've got a 5900X and I'm hoping to upgrade to an 8950X or 15900k and the choice to go Intel will be super easy if AMD decides to not do anything besides increased IPC and clockspeed. They've not increased cores on the consumer Ryzen CPUs since Ryzen 3000 back in 2019, back then, 16 cores was a lot, now it's not really a lot, it's just a good amount.
Great timing. Yesterday changed my platform from AM4 5600 to AM5 7800X3d with 7800XT. Setup is not complete(missing one more M2 drive), but I can't wait to use it.
I'm still going strong with my 5800x3d , and i even undervolted to -30 per core and wow temps are good and performance is top notch still! Im not gonna upgrade cpu for maybe 8 years, and get whatever is top price to performance then. (Edit from all core to per core -30 undervolt)
AMD CPU's are great in that undervolting usually increases performance. I had a 5700x for a bit and using PBO and an undervolt got me 250mhz more boost while running cooler. I know the X3d parts can't raise their boost but I bet it's staying at it's max boost longer and more consistently now that you've done that.
@@devilmikey00 correct, mine stays at max boost all the time it doesn't even go down at all while gaming, on was locked in earlier BIOS, but with newest BIOS it is easily changed!
In running all core -30 on my 5800x3D too It’s a beast CPU but I don’t think it’s gonna last me 8 years. There are plenty of recent games just hammering CPUs I’m skipping Zen4 but I’ll consider whatever the Zen5 equivalent is (9800x3D?)
I went AMD...but only half way. Got a 12900k combo deal with cpu,motherboard, and ddr5 6000mhz ram for like 400 bucks whole combo and paired it with a 7900xtx and I tell you...this combo is butter smooth. I also have a 13700k/4080 and it must say that the 7900xtx system feels smother than my 4080 system. Both are on a 34 inch Alienware oled monitor at 1440p and getting beautiful results.
@@VYM Most people don't care about that. I'd personally rather AMD CPUs in my system with a 4090 so I don't risk saturating my 1000w PSU, but if I did go Intel, I wouldn't care that much about the extra 100w. Most people just wanna run games and get good performance with manageable temps. Despite my 5900X only getting a max of 145w under full load, it's so ridiculously hot anyway
@@mttrashcan-bg1ro I cut down my 14700k turbo boost power from 253/135 to 110/110 and all core boost ratios from 55/56 to 42. Lost 14% performance but temperatures now not over 65-70 degrees with 26000 in Cinebench dropped from 30500.
It’s not just shader it’s traversal stutters which r even worse. Straight up stutters all the time not just one time. Like dead space remake. 100% the worst part of PC gaming rn.
@@stealthhunter6998 Dead Space original can still be played. I played it recently, it was the smoothest experience with constant 240fps not a single frame drop on a 240hz monitor. Way more fun than any shitty lagfest that are 'modern' games and remakes.
@@michaelzomsuv3631 Ik… the quality of older games is just the best. Was playing Halo CE in OG graphics again and was amazed by the fact they had RTX like effects in the glass. U can see chief in the reflection of the floor in the control room crystal clear. Sure it’s dated but for back then that’s a huge achievement real time lighting effect. Just so much care and effort put into them compared to today’s stuff.
UE5 doesn't seem to have CPU problems as much, it scales pretty well with core/thread count and speed/IPC, the UE5 games are just really GPU heavy. A lot of these newer games with CPU problems such as Jedi Survivor are still using UE4, the ones on UE5 that are CPU dependent probably just want faster chips
Every now and then I'm reminded how much these guys are out of the loop when it comes to hardware. They're the definitive tech-tubers when it comes to graphics technologies and gaming, but the hardware driving it is as much black-magic to them as it is to most enthusiasts.
@@keynoteFlyer It's been absolutely amazing. I run a 65" LG C2 and two 24" Dell side monitors. I run every game I play at 4K Max settings and it crushes them.
@@benknapp3787 thanks for the quick reply Ben. That sounds amazing. My setup is mainly for flight sim and a few Rockstar games. I’m looking forward to this massive upgrade from my old i7 with 6600XT. 😀👍🏻
@keynoteFlyer You won't be disappointed. What version of the 7900XTX did you order? I'm running the Merc 310. It hits about 450w with the power limit raised but it's worth the extra performance in demanding games.
@@benknapp3787 I’ve ordered the ASRock 7900 XTX Taichi edition. Both of my previous cards have been Sapphire Nitro + versions but I can’t find any of those in the 7900XTX. The Taichi sounds like a decent equivalent. What Power Supply did you go for? The AMD website recommended 1000W but the builder wanted to give me 850W (based on the lower power draw of the 7800X3D I think)
I have both intel and amd high end gaming rigs side by side and i enstictively drawn to my intel rig. I have upgraded every year since core duo and athlon but since ryzens inception til now every amd system has had gremlins/phantom issues that i have never been able to solve. Note: i owned a brick and mortor pc shop for 30 years and have no horse in the cpu and gpu race. I believe all the issues with ryzen is due to memory and or the memory controller but i have no proof just decades of experience. I thinks the memory controller overheats and gets buggy buts thats just my opinion. As far as gpus go i prefer Nvidia overall but that mostly depends on who's manufacturing the gpu and the class of card and resell value. Take care.
Being able to run a 5800X3D on a motherboard from 2017 is amazing! Getting a 35% increase in fps going from a R5 3600 to a 5800X3D on 1440p (source: HUB) is mind boggling
@@markotto1767 I have a 7900 XT. HUB tested with a 6950 XT. There is around a 15% performance gap between the two cards but the results should be very similar.
The 7800X3D's power efficiency is just ridiculous. Less than 60 watts for the whole package while playing games. One of the biggest drawbacks is the lower clock, a 7700X will win in certain tasks, like shader compilation.
i am very surprised. I thought my 5800x3d was stuttering with shaders but i notice even the lastest cpu do ! :o The games should find ways to preload the shaders before. The last of us part 1 was preloading shaders and i can tell you with 5800x3d and 4060ti i've had no stutters at all, it was buttery smooth. Unreal engine 5 games are the worst about stutters for now, they are stuttering very hard on nvida cards, especially when you start the game and the next 30minutes of gameplay
I hope you guys do memory tuning and compare. It is amazing how close the 7700x is to the 7800x3d is when you have tight memory timings. The secret sauce is that the 7700x has better latency up to 16mb cache but above the 7800x3d wins however with tight memory timings it isn't that much of a difference any more.
But what’s the point? Pay a little more get an overall faster CPU for gaming and don’t have to mess with memory tuning or risking corruption when you don’t get your timings just right. Guess if you love tweaking get a 7700X and feel special that you got there differently. For most people it’s a waste of time for what you’d save tweaking memory on 7700X instead of 3D route.
It will not be a problem for the chip you have mate its more for the 16 core duel ccd. one with 3d one without . The use the Microsoft game stuff to sort what half of the chip to use. 3d half or standard half.
It kind of depends what's causing the stutter, but it's not impossible that even a slightly lower class CPU has massive stutters where a faster one doesn't. Imagine something like memory management. As you play you keep accumulating garbage that needs to be freed. If the CPU is idle, it runs the garbage collection, if it doesn't it delays the task. A fast CPU might have enough capacity to run the garbage collection before having to render the next frame, but slower one delays it until it goes over some memory limit and then suddenly has a much more expensive garbage collection process. This is of course a contrived example and no sane programmer would program it like this. But when you have many, many tasks, weird things happen.
6:08 I also use this scene to test CPU single thread performance in games. Crysis engine is just very single thread heavy and that scene just always maxes out single thread and creates huge GPU bottleneck.
no loss in performance or stability, i ran the necessary tests for longer than suggested. The 5800x3d has been binned quite well, loads of people manage -30 all core. @@exoticspeedefy7916
For the 7800X3D, the optimal RAM configuration is DDR5 6000 CL30. MANY review outlets have confirmed that it's the sweet spot for the Zen 4 parts, regardless of the current or previous AGESA updates. Of course, if there are kits with more bandwidth and the same timings as the 6000 CL30 kit, those would supersede.
Any solid b650 motherboards that don't have weird issues like usb disconnects or bad driver issues? Its the only thing holding me back from switching to team red.
should be comparing the Intel i9 13900k seems how it came out close to the same time as the Amd Ryzen 7 7800x3d, and i bet you the test would be closer, and last to benchmark cpu's you don't bench at 4k, you bench at lower res like 1080p etc
I'm running an almost 10 year old CPU (4790k)... could I have your 2 gen old (the horror!) CPU plz. The argument of "it's a compute shader it's just maths so the same" view is a bit limited, for a couple of reasons. Different GPU's are more performant in different stages of the render pipeline depending on their architecture. Take tessellation for example, which in all uses the Hull-Shader Stage, Tessellator Stage & Domain-Shader Stage. Some GPUs are just better at tessellation than others, especially in the early days of DX11. It's just all down to how the chips architecture handles the staging and instructions it's given. The second point. You can do some very funky optimization in HLSL especially with it's multithreading. (You can do 3D arrays of threads, which can even share data! (Which FSR does use.)) Thus if you know exactly which 1 GPU your application is going to be running on, you can do some optimization matching the treads to the GPU architecture, but that's not really possible in the PC space, you're more just relying on how that particular GPU architecture handles mismatched thread to GPU core count. As to whether these factors are an advantage/ disadvantage for AMD vs nVidia vs Intel I can't say. It would be hard measure exactly and result could vary across GPU architecture generations, and even which GPU (4070 vs 4070Ti) in said generation is being used. I was just pointing it out because not all 1 & 0 / "just maths" are equal. (A cache miss can be cause by "just maths" and they can be a real hit to performance. Which is the very reason AMD x3D CPUs get a performance boost in some situations vs other CPU's.)
well the 7800X3D run better with RAM running 6000mhz (AMD EXPO) C30 over the 6400mhz C32 but yea some games have more stutter than other and thats depend on the developers of the game not all on hardware issues every time
"[...] but it's not like, it's not a generation little difference" Alex said. But... what generation are we talking about, from the 10th to the 11th or from the 13th to the 14th generation of Intel? If so, there are like 5 generations of those together.
I had the 3700x and now the 7800x3d paired with my gtx 1080 and when playing battlefield, i have stutters... runnimg on msi b650 tomahawk. Before it was smooth and bow, your buying the best cpu and have stutters ? Wtf... i think its something about maybe win11 or agesa / bios. Its sad
5:23 - That running-animation looks off... or at least the speed does. It's like the character isn't gaining as much ground as it should. - Was that game developed by a Japanese studio or something?...
Just did this upgrade myself, but can't get the am5 ram timings right, can't get the nvme format right, even the gpu had a clearance issue. Think I'm done with building, it was fun way back when, when the most complicated part was mb compatibility etc. Now I gotta browse 14 different forums...
Every real hardware enthusiasts already know ow X3D is just hype. It’s good at 10 games with a $2,500 GPU… then look at the multithreaded performance is worse than my 11900k from 2019.
Funny thing is other dudes who are listening to guy tried Amd cpu are looking clueless , its like on their face what is AMD ??? Lol , its almost seems like they wanna ask him , is Amd found in caves ? Is it safe to touch ? Will it kill us , what is this thing AMD , lol
Gonna get a lot of people really in thier feelings because of brand loyally 😆 Listen, OVERALL, MOST people will be happy with a 13600k-14900k, 7or a 7700x-7800x3d. Get rid of all this best 1% BS. MOST people will gain NOTHING from the extra 2-5 fps I owned a 13600k. It was GREAT! I now use a 7800x3d because I wanted to build AM5 & see how it does. Guess what, I prefer the 7800x3d even after weeks and weeks of testing. I think building TODAY for a average consumer, AM5 makes more sense. IMO For PROS? #1 they dont care & have others build for them. And if money & power isnt an issue, specifically for esports, the 14900k is prob the "best" But anyone reading this really shouldnt care Do what u want, spend your money how you want. Just dont be a closed minded elitest prick. MANY people DO care about budget. I digress ✌️
I bought a combo deal back in July of this year at Best Buy for Ryzen 5 7600x / Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX / Starfield for $289.99usd , I have yet to get the board to update the bios, QFlash always says bad image. All my MSI boards update from QFlash without issues from same 2.0 UBS flash drive, this Gigabyte board wants to be so different.
E-cores issue fixed under W11 (but not W10). SC is just not optimised yet and the extra cache really helps in titles where memory usage isn't tuned in so well.
@@daweitao2668 Thanks. My biggest concern with the 3D V-Cache CPUs is consistency - there is a somewhat larger gap between the highs and lows compared to other CPUs. Factorio is a good example, with map sizes that "fit?" in the cache seeing large frame rate boosts, while increasing the map size to make it no longer fit in the cache and rely more on memory access makes Intel CPUs take the lead again. I've got a 13900K in my gaming machine and I find it to be an extremely reliable performer in all CPU intensive gaming scenarios.
I quit playing apex legends because after optimizing everything it has just stopped working anymore without constant lag and stutters my old 1080 ti is struggling out here
I Have a question, I also have the 7800x3d, but my concern is the temperatures... what would the temperatures be like when playing? I have a 240mm nzxt kraken and I find them high when playing at 70c to 75c. Help!
Mine gets kinda toasty too. Shoots right up to 82 when stress testing but stays around 65 to 70 when gaming. I don't think 75c will kill a 7800x3d but I'm not sure.
Gotta have that 13 extra fps!!😂😂 i just wish i could afford the best cause i love pushing the limits of tech. Cpus for sure from sbcs to full on pc fire. Laptops with external gpus custom made to run harder, i love getting back into this ish. Gaming as a mark comes down to software too these days.
In BG3 likely when the frame rates are lower you are hitting a GPU bottleneck which is why both are performing the same seeing as they both have RTX 4090 cards, though when the GPU load is reduced frame rates climb and you start to run into a CPU bottleneck.
Very nice upgrade, Alex. I also updated to 7950X3D from a 5800X3D and with the RTX4090, I can’t be happier especially since true next gen games like Lords of the Fallen and Alan Wake 2 came out, while everyone else is still complaining about “performance issues”
"It's not a generation level difference"(c) - were you living in parallel universe for past decade? You would need SEVERAL generations of Intel processors to get 15% performance increase in games. But you make such a stupid claim right after new generation of Intel CPUs are released... And if you consider performance-per-watt, 7800X3D is multiple generations ahead of 12900k (by Intel's standards).
