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First Japanese sub post-WW2 was USS MINGO...Hey That's my Dad's sub, my father served on MINGO as a YN. He told me a story that when MINGO was transferred to Japanese, the CO that was going to take command of the boat said to the American sailors that, he was the one that sank the YORKTOWN during the war!! My father was M. Mares served for 40-years USN!!!!
@@danielt.3152 Yeah.............. but We (US) did win the war..... to be honest, my Dad was not there when that was mentioned by that C.O. that was taking our boat, but did hear it from a chief who was rather trustworthy, and a 2nd class, my Dad was a 3rd class at the time of transfer. My 'Old Man' did tell that story many times to us, but I have to remind him that it Wasn't 'His War' but my uncle's....one of those uncles' was onboard USS ATLANTA, and was quite upset (my Dad) that one of his brothers were torpedoed by IJN, my uncle survived, my Dad served, and I went in for 20+ years looking for subs!!!!
@@Hey_MikeZeroEcho22P I am willing to let it go at this point. Considering their vast casualties during the war and outstanding turnaround since 1945. It just sort of surprised me he would go there but it’s over now
@@danielt.3152 The context underwhich information was offered? CO USN: Sure you know what you doin'? CO JMSDF: Yes... Sub wasn't exactly "free" JP.gov spends ¥¥¥¥¥ in costs for US Navy "occupied" facilities in Japan.
@@danielt.3152 I understand...... It DID suck that that C.O. said that I was surprised by the first time my Dad told that story...... I just wanted to add a bit of a side-story especially when I heard of MINGO name being called........ I Just didn't think that Any YT would look at the history of the MINGO and point it out as being part of the Coastal Forces which expanded into the JMSDF. No harm done, I hope you have a Great Day/Week! :)
Its' a shame Australia never acquired these subs instead of the overpriced, over hyped over imagined French Maginot subs that will be built in the next 40 years. Australia have some very smart politicians & also have some very dumb ones when it comes to national security & military procurement programs. Also our defense department is full of personnel who'd do better selling shoes in Kmart.
It looks that the position of China made it impossible for AU to buy subs from Japan, China was prepared to punish AU economically for investing that much into Japan's defense industry. AU is too dependent on trade with China to risk annihilating Beijing. That said, french subs are way too overpriced. AU could have gone nuclear for that price. Just buy Astute-class from UK, those are build by BAE Systems, and BAE Systems Australia has the capabilities to assemble them and provide the maintenance.
At a parliamentary committee enquiry Defence Personnel admitted to the members that they were not smart enough to negotiate with US defence company sales people .... a sad but honest appraisal of competency. The big danger with buying French product .... was made obvious with the Mirage aircraft decades ago when the French wanted to influence Australian foreign policy in the supplying of spare parts for the Mirage
Japan was not ready to sell it to anyone and were dragging their feet. Australia and India both invited Japan for Soryu class subs and they said that they didn't know how to participate in a competitive bid and bowed out.
My current favourite conventional submarine . Very capable and very reasonable in price . With lithium-ion batteries and Kockums Stirling engines plus the diesel engines. The overall performance is excellent. The limited depth when using the Stirling engines being the main downside.
They’re needed in the west Pacific… Forward base them in the 7th fleet bases and Guam… USN have the best and the most SSNs but they’re spread all over as they have to patrol the entire worlds oceans… expensive and takes time to build too… chinese subs are concentrated in the Indo-pacific area…
@@arkandrada3305 …. There aren’t enough SSNs in the US Navy. There is no chance of any significant increase in total SSN numbers until two decades out from now. The yards now are backlogged for at least a decade with existing submarine overhauls and major repairs. So boats are staying at the piers waiting. Shutting down Mare Island and Charleston was a mistake
And actually all of the Japanese car brand trucks too made in American factories by American workers. All of the SUVs and pickup trucks like Toyota and Nissan
@@MH-kc1eu yea, the ones sold in america are made in America But not all of the cars are. The thing about Japanese car manufacturers is their uniformity factories around the world. They have heavy checks, and a regular factory worker can stop the whole production line if he sees a flaw in car design.
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GB RN lacks an AiP class of submarines. We could do worse than extending our cooperation with Japan on 6th Gen aircraft to include an advanced submarine programme. Bringing Australia and India one step closer too.
I'm not sure why would RN need AiP subs while they already have more advanced nuclear subs. Even as good non-nuclear sub as Sōryū is 30% slower than RN Astute class subs. Sōryū is simply to slow to catch up russian nuclear subs in Northen Atlantic, and this is essential capability for any RN attack submarine.
@@MrPatifon Only if the RN sticks to it's NATO ASW role, which it did for decades to the cost cutting detriment of other capabilities. Sadly the Alliance has and I quote , “ceded much of the advantage it earned at the conclusion of the Cold War” The RN need more nuclear attack submarines with increased capabilities to offer greater flexibility and regain the advantage it lost. The additional technically advanced but cheaper AiP class, would give a specialist role in the Baltic in support of NATO. As well as in other regions of relatively shallow coastal waters, where great speed and endurance is not the primary concern. NOTE, the important points are in addition to more nuclear boats. Not instead of, or to reduce costs. There is also the substantial matter of opening more submarine/naval ship building facilities. Training and employing more skilled workers and of course many more submariners. There would be better promotion prospects within the service and therefore improved retention. It would also open up the export markets and encourage cooperation with India, Taiwan and many other allied countries.
@@MrPatifon SSK’s are great in littoral waters, like the English Channel, the Scandinavian Coast Timor Sea etc, so a few AIP boats would be very useful for both the RN and RAN.
India is running acquisition project of 6 New Generation Diesel Electric Submarines in which Japan was also Participating but later they left the Project. They were offering this same Soryu Submarine but we don't know why they left the Project.
One of the few released objections to the fine Soryu submarines was their internal ergonomics. Made for shorter, lighter Asian crewmen meant limited headroom for many caucasian sailors, especially getting through hatches and also with the bunking facilities being too small and constricted for the larger crew members. Although it sounds trivial it was apparently a serious issue.
correct but then you also had the small tiny range almost half of the collins a huge downgrade for Australia, Japanese terrible english ability the worst in Asia so translating all those manuals would of been a nightmare, even the nintendo company used to make all sorts of grammer and spelling mistakes in games , you do that in the military and it can cost huge money in mistakes. Then there is the limited food store and the fact that its complicated to build and probably cant be built in Australia. Then last is that japan safe guards there culture and technlogy really well from outsiders and australia doesnt care....becoming a spy at an australian univeristy if your form china is the easiest thing to do and australia welcomes you kindly. you think there military is any different? if i was japan i wouldnt trust australia with my technlogy considering the types of people they give free passports too and how easy it is to talk your way into the country even if you have bad intentions
I was of the understanding the main reason Australia didn't go the Japanese subs was that Japan wouldn't allow them to be built in Australia where we wanted sovereign ship building and maintenance.
The Soryu class has highly silence and the best performance conventional submarine in the world. However, like other conventionally powered submarines, it does not have the speed and continuous range to track missile nuclear submarines. Japan should have nuclear attack submarine.
For coastal defense Soryu is perfect. Japan can have 10 of this for 1 nuclear from building cost and maintenance cost. With advance technology in hypersonic missiles and torpedoes better to have numerous diesel AIP electric submarines than to have one or two nuclear to defend your coasts.
@@utomotjipto5294 Even for coastal defense, Japan should have nuclear submarines because conventionally powered submarines cannot track nuclear submarines.
10-12+ need built for Taiwan and the Philippines. This will give them a fighting chance against the PRC. If the Aussies were smart, they would have ordered this, than that French boondoggle .
Taiwan is building there own home grown subs. The first will come off the line (edit) in 2024 I originally wrote 22 Taiwan would have loved to buy these subs from Japan but at the time no sub building country, not Sweden not Germany the US or Japan; none would sell Taiwan submarines. Why? Because they didn’t want to anger the CCP. So Taiwan are building their own. To show you how times have changed, in March the Biden administration authorized the sale of sensitive submarine technology to Taiwan. The advanced technology, which other administrators had been reluctant to sell to Taiwan again for fear of upsetting the CCP is the final thing Taiwan needed to make their subs an extremely lethal threat to the PLA-N.
@@Axzealot ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gxyk84t4Q8w.html like this it was a secret weapon in world war 2 to attack Us main land without conflicting the us warships
It is for a less profound reason than you might have thought: they simply ran out of good names. Older JMSDF subs were named after types of ocean currents, but there are only so many currents that roll off the tongue well in Japanese. With the Soryu class, JMSDF amended the rules to allow for "auspicious animals," a category that IJN had reserved for aircraft carriers but had gone unused after WWII. All Soryu-class subs are named after dragons, while the new Taigei-class are named after whales so far.
check new Israel Saar 72 with Greece changes with Gabriel5 missile and Barak8ER and change radically Israel German build Dolphin2-class submarine a new Dakar all with nuclear-capable cruise missle
They are not for sale with lithium ion battery indian navy wanted it to but we couldn't get so we have to go for scorpene.australia bought scorpene sub
Kind of like how they copied the F-35 12 years ago but can't get a serviceable airframe because every plane they make is reverse-engineered. The most original aircraft China has is the JH-7 which is still built on the airframe of the J-8 which is based on the Su-15.
It is amusing how insecure you Americans are; when you have thousands of troops and weapons stationed in allied countries but if someone even mentions East Pacific and another military (even a close ally), you get rattled.
@@arkandrada3305 Ah so it doesn't have 50 km range when wire guided? Otherwise it does have a wire that long eh? Maybe that breaks off after a few km. Cool shit.
They retain most of their older names. Heli carriers of JMSDF are named kaga and hyuga, named after the carriers that they had under IJN. After all, US navy has the name USS Iwo Jima to run it in the faces of the Japanese. However, the Japanese are courteous and do not label their ships as JSS Pearl Harbor.
Japanese Soryu use Stirling AIP which has diving problem deeper than 200m and more noisy than German fuel cell AIP used by S Korean Type 214 and KSS3 with lithium battery. Fuel cell AIP also has 50% efficiency vs 30% for cheaper Stirling AIP. China also use Stirling AIP for their submarines which are very noisy.
Trevor Long, Having watched this video I have to why Australian selected French Subs over the Japanese ones or was it just the new PM defying his predecessor!
Was the Soryu ever under consideration at all? I don't recall hearing of it before... (But then I am LONG out of the RAN and pretty out of touch these days...)
@@trooperdgb9722 Trade Unions got involved. Nonsense about protecting a non-existent domestic industry. The French promises of investment in Australia took the Japanese out of the running.... Mitsubishi is near delivering the last of the SORYU class on time, in budget to the JMSDF.
@Brian Coley we quite literally have a functioning sub manufacturing and maintenance facility. It's real and it's been running nearly 20 years. You can drive up and see it.
Good design, but it needs some improvements if it's going to compete in the global marketplace. And as for the missions, we would hope Japan uses these to spy on Russian and Chinese fleets. If not for their constitution, their military can easily keep track of every sailing vessel, and be ready to sink them if necessary.