So sorry Driver 26, looks like it hurt. Crashes suck. My opinion: started with an early apex entering Turn Three, and early power. Off into grass, looked like all would be well, but you are steering left, and the grass is slippery, so steering does not respond much. When you return to pavement, you are still steering, but only slightly left. This destabilizes the S2K a bit, added to going over the curb, but listen careefully to the engine note. Just when all is about to be fine, you give it a shot of power. Too soon, my brother. This seals your fate, kicking the destabilized car sideways. Then you correct well, but only a half turn. Keep quick as you can adding steering correction. Hand over hand, even release wheel like a drifter. You coulda caught this, sorry no offense, just straight scoop. More correction, then if you catch slide, quick as you can recovery the steering back to straight ---- the whole time staying away from the gas and brake. Stop a slide with your hands, your steering. See how your steering is only a half-turn? Keep going bro. til you stop the slide, then keep looking where you want to be, down the track not the wall, and snap steering back straight again. This is skidpad training. Skip Barber car control clinic is where I learned ir and taught it in 90's. See you at the track!
Exactly right on the early apex. I didn't brake hard enough either and understeered. This was the first session of the day at 8:30am, so the grass was wet and tires were hot. I had a maintainence throttle across the grass because I didn't want to get stuck. I steer left while in the grass so I could meet up with the track in the course direction instead of flying across the track to the wall on the other side. What you hear when I re-enter the track is actually the end of my landscaping noise then me coming off the throttle directly after. I didn't blip the throttle. As soon as I hit the pavement I was a passenger. Even though I didn't put in a lot of steering input it had absolutely no effect on the trajectory of the car. What I feel would have helped the most was not trying to maintain movement across the grass and let the car decelerate. It would have been better to get stuck or reenter slowly.
Not that bad. I be 2 wheeling across t3 all the time. This was just a miscalculation that sadly resulted in a stuffing. Hope he’s repaired and back on track soon.
@Dominick I agree. S2000s seem kinda trippy. I’m not speaking from experience but I think when you take a look at this thing and it’s 9000 rpms it’ll be a demanding vehicle. I really thought the driver had saved it. But he just couldn’t keep it straight(not saying that I could had either).
no, his problem was turning the wheel at speed on the grass, as he came back onto the concrete the front would grip with the rear stil loose, causing the spin. would have been better to keep wheel straight
@@sonacphotos Can't say I would have done better, but I agree, the turn on the grass sealed his fate. If I had a choice I would have let the car go straight and hit the brakes a bit. But also, I'm a subie guy so I don't really think about tail fishing like this. More reason for awd...
@@sonacphotos Lucky. I was going to build a 90's Celica into the GT Four but I opted out and got an Impreza gc8 and now I'm starting to build it into a version 6 STI.
You’re correct, it’s not completely his fault, the track has grass where it should have sand giving no control for drivers to stop. At those speeds might as well be ice. It’s his fault for missing the turn, it’s the tracks fault for an off area more dangerous than it should be.
Shout out to the track designers who decided placing concrete barriers on the side of a racing track instead of, I don't know, maybe tires or something with shock-absorbing qualities. Concrete walls are known as a race car driver's "Best Friend". Also, inline with this genius, scattering nails on the asphalt would probably give more traction in curves.
Well hell, if track safety is such a big concern of yous, I suppose you donated some money and/or materials to help NERF this terribly dangerous track? Or maybe you started a GoFundMe or pledge drive? Some raffle tickets maybe? Nah, guessing all you're good for is talking shit and not doing jack shit...good luck to those drivers!
@@codymoe4986 Give him a break, he just forgot to name all the SAFE tracks he has designed. Probably too busy accepting "Safest Track Guy EVER" award to respond.
@@CamTooling Fun fact, the turn at the bottom of the hill used to have very little run off, it basically had the wall at the side of the short straight before 7 and 8 and the wall alongside the outside of the esses meet, until a guy went off there and got buried under the tires, car and all in its entirety!
The line is "Nice play, Recker. That's some of the finest driving I've ever seen... right there until the end" and it was said by Staff Sergeant William Dunn.
No putting anyone down, but wht was impressive to u about this? I don't consider myself anything, but a novice with experience of driving a car abit differently than most, but this is the same stuff we do on shitty back rd for fun.
Not really, except for this track. It'll toss your ass into a wall thinking that it wouldn't after you lazily go over the infamous corner that you're supposed to go around
He would’ve been fine if he let go of the brakes, braking hard in grass is a big no no. Then he lost control once he got back into the track. He should’ve just steered and not brakes.
I wouldn't have done any better, but it looks to me like keeping the wheel straight would have been better when you went into the grass. you were turning it to the left and all of a sudden the front right wheel got traction and you were pulled into the wall.
First mistake everyone makes is slamming the brakes to lock up which completely screws you ability to catch the back end. Whenever trying to catch the rear end DONT APPLY BRAKES and get off the pedals completely and just counter steer for correction.
bruh what? if youre in the grass with no turning back the only thing to do is get on the brakes if he ripped tf outta his e brake he could have save some of the beating his car took
Nice driving, but some mistakes I saw were: countersteereed too late (after getting off the grass), applied brakes when the slide was too deep in (brakes made him turn even more), and held the steering wheel in a crash
Brother, when re-entering a track, STRAIGHT WHEEL…your front tires will bite first while the inside rear will stay in the grass. Glad you’re ok. Race car’s damage buffs right out.
I crashed mine the exact same same.. crushed the front frame all the way to the passenger tire.. it spam after it hit the wall and hit it again on passenger side. Car is unrepairable. These cars handle very very well but takes a very skilled driver to push it at its limits. Hope your ok, cars are replaceable but your life isn't. Stay safe
Locking the brakes during the countersteer also sealed the fate, however if you over corrected and spun in the middle of the track it could have led to a head on collision from another driver so… it’s a tricky situation with split second decisions to make. It happens man. Do what you can to salvage the car and get back out there!
@@wwhite36 So true Driver 26. Road Atlanta has improved a lot, but they still need softer barriers in front of that bare concrete; everywhere. I'm glad you are okay. @nitrous36. youi are so right.
@@randypobstofficial the Randy Pobst! We met one at NCM Park in Bowling Green, KY a few years ago. Cool to know you watch one of my videos A little more brake and later turn-in and this could have been avoided.
For speed I have nothing useful to add, certainly not over Randy lol... But for building recovery instincts on a real world budget, the single best thing you can do is buy a clapped drift missile for 1-3k, weld the diff and go to drift events. Don't even need a manual or handbrake if the auto has "L" and "2" lockouts. Many events have both skidpads and road course, and often times the road courses will have 2nd or 3rd gear entries around 50-65mph depending on how grippy the setup is, but learning the handwork and building an intuition for that saved me from driving my FD off the side of a mountain at TOD, and from a similar situation to this video in my drift car where I hit a short patch of black ice on the interstate, got a few degrees out of line, and had to be ready to catch a snap whenever the pavement was back under the tires. Also, you might actually have fun! If you go this way and need tires - Kenda Kaiser and Landsails are pretty grippy and super cheap. I get 6hrs of drifting with the landsails. Kendas are slightly better but grippier than I need.
Thanks for posting this. It is a really good tool for learning for amateur drivers like myself, it taught me to always have a straight wheel when rejoining grippy tarmac from the grass.
If you slip on the grass, don't fight. Leave it controlled, DO NOT USE THE BRAKE INITIALLY. Take your foot off the accelerator, and downshift as the primary means of braking. Be calm and aware of the distance from the walls and the possibility of returning to the asphalt. And pray.
Sorry to see this happen. What I notice here is the brake, normally when you on grass and anticipating pavement change while the wall is not right in front, the last thing you want to do is brake. If you just lift and brake after went over grass, I think you should be fine. In this example, you brake and front tire got to pavement first while rear still in grass, then it's definitely a spin plus you have steering angle.
Kinda late to the party, but: NO steering wheel inputs when encountering changing conditions(e.g. re-entering track)! The S2k is balanced to rotate well under normal track conditions. Increase the rotation by having the rear tyres on grass and you have a beyblade.
Turned into #3 too early, yes. Clobbered the #3 rumble and got light/unsettled. Maybe a hard brake stab after landing would have put weight on the nose and lessened understeer, but there wasn't much track left to accommodate before you plowed into #4.
@@ezpz4659 it’s tough to call imo. Not saying you’re wrong, it’s just you never know who thinks what in these close calls or how they respond at the time. It might be different if they had the time to prep you know. I’ve had a few razor close calls but the times I’ve been able to avoid them, it’s just fight or flight instincts taking over. Sometimes you get both, sometimes one or the other. It’s a weird thing
Would it have been better to feather the throttle coming off the grass to keep weight over the rear axle? Instead of braking which would transfer all the weight to the front and make the back swing around since it was too light.
This is the worst possible thing that could happen, going off into the grass is fine but the slightest turn in the wheel can cause what just happened, sorry about the wreck man.
I think it could've been saved with counter steer and a little handbrake. At least that helps me on wet/icy/dirt roads during rally. But heat of the moment, and I'm sure you know what you're doing with your car more than I do, especially since I've never driven an s2000
There goes a nice car and $20k. So many people try to make these cars do things they can't. Its a convertible, it will never have the rigidity needed for racing seriously. The good thing is if every boy racer crashes their s2k then the rest of ours will go up in value due to them being " rare".
@@VezeTech Any car. A big hit like that can spin the wheel hard enough to break your wrists. You can see tons of motorsports onboards where they take their hands off the wheel right before impact.
Always hard to see a track mishap. I put in many a fun lap at Road Atlanta. Occasionally there would be a driver who didn't complete the event but is was rare. Sometimes drivers just have mental lapses or their ego exceeds their ability. At lunch Panoz Racing, who ran the events, would have their driver sit with us and give us feedback. Some of the stories were wild. I only had one close call when I had partial brake failure heading into 10A. After I crested the hill (~160 MPH) I braked at the 300 ft mark and fortunately held the turn.
Dang... I don't know if it would have changed things, but it def looks like your arms are dead straight at 90degree steering input. Would have better control being more "up on the wheel", with your upper body much closer to the wheel, either with seat moved forward or with the wheel moved quite a bit aft.
Those turns caught up on you. Going across the grass seemed like the right thing to do as you weren't going to make that next turn. Curb got you off line and tough hit. Been there myself in a different circumstance. Happy you are OK.
I still don't know why this happened. I also would have expected grip at the tarmac. Or at least that it would turn right, not left. But the initial mistake was that you turned in too early.
The steering wheel was turned a little bit to the left when he came back onto the tarmac, so when the right-front tire got grip first, the front went left, but the rears were still on grass and couldn't hold the sudden lateral g forces, initiating oversteer. Re-entering over the berm at speed also unsettled the car, making the situation extremely difficult to fix
I totally get why enthusiasts replace their OE airbag equipped steering wheels with tuner styled hardware (e.g. Momo NSX Type-R ). But isn’t one more likely to need an air bag at the track? I’ve never tracked, so I’d like to hear from those who do.)
A track build will likely have a 5/6 point harness and head restraint which holds the upper torso firm compared to a regular seatbelt. That greatly reduces how much you will move around in a crash so your head may never even reach the steering wheel airbag in a crash. On top of that, racing on track requires a helmet so your head is nice and safe. In that situation a stock wheel with airbag just reduces your control for no safety gain, so it's better to have a racing wheel which is smaller.
Nice driving before the obvious bit. But it looks from my perspective you could have made it back to the track, was there some complacency thinking youd saved when the car was back stable and straight so caused you to lift the throttle before returning to the asphalt?
A lesson for us all...take your punishment for the mistake and re-join the fairway with a safe shot (as they say in golf!) Nice driving up till that point though ;-)
The 2023 petit le mans had a driver make the same exact mistake into turn 3, I was right next to the crash when it happened too, followed almost the exact same path!
Been there, on different track, done that. But very good handling and shifting. However, that’s a bit like asking Mrs. Lincoln how was the play? It’s all part of the sport. The most fun you can have with your clothes on.
I wonder if letting go of the foot brake and pulling the E brake for a few seconds would of help avoid the wall, that way the rear brakes lock up but the front wheels can freely spin to direct the front of the car away from the wall
Definitely not. Gotta have the wheel straight when returning to pavement. Turning left while on the slippery grass, causes sudden oversteer when turned from times catch traction on the asphalt. Very sorry to see. Rd Atlanta will bite hard.
Everyone saying this and that but I'm assuming he thought what I thought. It looked like he was going to be fine and then it went full fubar in a half second. Sure he could have assumed it was going to be full fubar but jumbling around with the steering wheel is not a good idea if your car seems to be slowing down in the proper direction.
When off the road, keep the controls very steady, no braking, no steering, very little power. Just keep everything neutral until after you return all four wheels to pavement. The steering in the grass caused snap oversteer when returning to pavement. The fronts suddenly have grip and zow, off you go.
Man that car was tight in the corners, watching the video made me think pit pit. The Suspension and or air pressure needed to be adjusted sawmill on the steering wheel. Sad to see a crash
