Sadiq Khan's ULEZ expansion in chaos after landmark legal ruling that signage is UNLAWFUL 

The UK is such a joke now.

We have an M.O.T every year and emissions are tested, if you have a valid M.O.T how can your car be legal for the road but then get fined for driving it on the roads?

ULEZ is just another tax on the motorist with absolutely zero interest in reducing pollution from cars. If they were serious in reducing pollution from cars then they would ban cars entirely from London. What they are saying about ULEZ is that you can drive into London in your non compliant vehicle and pollute the air as you did before but we are now going to charge you 12.50 for the privilege. As I said, it’s just another tax on the motorist.

There should be the option to turn your car around before you pass into the ULEZ zone. If there isn’t that option then they’re essentially forcing you to get fined. So many people would stop and turnaround if the signs actually said £12.50 charge for driving over this line.

They put the sign on a one way dual carriageway with nowhere to turn around, so by the time you see the sign you cannot turn around, you're basically kettled into the area, it's a con.

It is a shame he didn't take TFL to court for intimidation causing stress and anxiety, sue them for not abiding by a court order, chasing him just shows it is the money they want.

We're worried about everyone health in London but if you pay £12.50 we don't care about every body's health 😂 makes no sense

The corruption stinks... Even with a court order they harassed him...

I live in Cornwall and am aware that the new Ulez zone encompasses Greater London. All I have heard in the press and on media is that if your car is not Ulez compliant there is a charge of £12.50 a day to be paid if it is used in that area. On Thursday 19 October I had to take my 15 year old daughter to Heathrow in order for her to fly to Germany to represent England for a Gymnastics competition. As I exited the M4 motorway I saw a sign saying Ulez zone ahead. It was dark and raining heavily ( wipers on double speed). I drove to the Premiere inn hotel and dropped her off then rejoined the motorway for my journey home. I was unsure if I had entered the Ulez zone but had seen no signs or markers to indicate that I had. On 31 October I received a Penalty Charge Notice for use of my vehicle in the charging area without paying the appropriate charge. I would gladly pay the £12.50 to use my vehicle in the zone but the Charge Notice was demanding £90? Perhaps because I live a long way from the area I was not aware that the Charge had to be paid before entering the zone or shortly afterwards. The signage was very poor or non existent, how am I expected to know when or if I entered the zone? There must be thousands of people who visit the area every day who are in non compliant vehicles unaware of the boundaries of the zone and the method of payment. I feel that this is totally unfair and unjust and needs to bought to the attention of the general public!

I remember, I once missed a turn and went straight into London. And literally SO many roads have either the LEZ or the ULEZ. Instead of a modest hour-long drive it took me 3 hours to manoeuvre around London to not once get into a low-emission zone. I had to do 180 on the roundabouts, drive through one-lane roads, roads under construction, get stuck in traffic jams, get off and on the ring road, etc. And that was all past midnight! Another problem is that sometimes they don't place them at road entrances, instead they display the signs further away, at a point of no return.

This isn't a legal loophole. ULEZ failed the public consultation, it should not be implemented. The fact this man has to engage in gamesmanship to stop Khan doing what he has no right to do is a poor state of affairs.

Everyone that has been charged should put in a claim for the payment plus interest plus any costs

Well done that man! Reminds me of all Covid fines that were thrown out. Basically illegal.

Good guy..well done taking them to court.

Another good point is by the time you can see the sign, your already getting charged. It's not like you can stop and turn around to avoid it. Frankly it should be obvious, paint the roads blue or something to show where the zones are lol. Not that I think the law should exist, but it needs to be really obvious if it does.

This is a wicked trap for new visitors to London. I stayed at a friends empty flat just inside the new zone for three days. After I returned home I got £80x3 fines. I was so angry I couldn’t face appealing so just paid. I regret that now. I remember seeing a sign saying ULEZ 1.5 miles ahead, but don’t remember seeing an actual Zone sign. It is a scam. The pleasure of visiting the Wallace collection is now permanently spoiled for me. I will not go to London again.

If the elected government of the uk cannot overrule a city mayor THEN EITHER THE LAW NEEDS CHANGING OR THE MAYORS NEED TO BE SCRAPPED.

Sadiq Khan’s, to reduce toxic air by expanding the ULEZ to greater London will not work. He doesn’t really care about toxic air quality and here is why: - He has already made the toxic air far worse since he has introduced the LTN’s which have increased the toxic air on the main roads because we are forced to use them as there are no other alternatives, especially during rush hour. The roads are now grid locked with traffic moving at walking pace and the fumes are getting denser and not dispersing. LTN’s need to be reopened as it is causing more damage than good. Among all this, the mileage in vehicles has also increased due to the fact that we are forced to go the long way round to get to the required destination - all accumulating to even more emission being emitted! Bravo Sadiq & team. - The health for pedestrians and children as they walk along these main routes to get to stations, schools, shops is deteriorating. Even the drivers inhale more fumes when we are stuck in stationary traffic. This is really aggravating and makes no sense! - Cycle Lanes: Should not be taking up an extra lane of the roads, large pavements could be divided into two for cyclists. - The introductions of 20MPH roads are also a problem because emission fumes don’t disperse quickly and the air is getting even more polluted because of the need to drive in lower gears. Sadiq’s statement: “It is to reduce toxic air pollution” is clearly not accurate and is making matters worse. The situation is getting extremely out of hand and something needs to be done to stop him from ruining our climate even more. He should resign and Londoners should vote for someone who will make London a greater and more desirable place to live in. There needs to be a more logical and strategic plan that is well thought. Vinnie Lauda

TFL will make you pay ULEZ but they still have Diesel buses and the dirty Tube air that is 18 x worse than street level, I don't see anything being done about that

If you are unaware of where this zone starts and all of a sudden you are in it with no way of getting out without being charged... Under Contract Law is it not true that there was no meeting "meeting of the minds", therefore no contract and any subsequent fines or charges will be null, void and neither legal or lawful?

Well done Noel. Calmly and carefully demolishes Khan's cash grab with his articulate and knowledgeable presentation. Tradesmen like him are the lifeblood of our country. Thank you for standing up to this bully.

Its just a tax by Khan, he needs to go....

Who would have thought that money can clean air. Amazing

That’s absolutely brilliant. Well done him. I’m in favor of a clean environment but the way the London mayor has implemented this ULEZ has resulted in a massive overstep of his authority and ability.

How can they send bailiffs when the ruling went against them ?

If every one refuses to pay the fines then the paper work will back up for years in government offices.

So, from this date, back to when the signs were put up, anyone that got charged is intightled to a full refund

Monday, September 11, 2023 ☁⛅☁ I admire Noel for taking these 7 tickets to court! 😀 And a judge agreed with Noel; he won in court! 👨‍🌾 The ULEZ clerks were still nagging him to pay them, even though Noel has a legal ruling against them; their signs are illegal! This shows you that Sadiq Khan and his crew only care about money. They are hurting and robbing from working people, but they just don't care. 😕

People are forgetting about shopping bag charges too. It wasn’t normal citizens fault to consume plastic bag/ shopping bag. It was government and businesses who already skinning us, so why we consumer pay the charges? Now uleze charges. Again not the consumer fault government approved and businesses made money so why we forced to pay or buy hefty prices?

It does not matter where you live if the signs are illegal they are illegal. Surely this is a case of fraud and bullying with getting money through menace. If everyone appeals it will crash the system, but claim for stress, money lost , paper work etc

Looks like he found them out. Good for him and shame on the TfL for continuing to annoy him even after the court verdict. He should have sued for harassment.

Do people actually believe khan's doing this for their health 😂😂😂😂

I’m confused how it’s legal to charge someone extra to drive on public roads.

the Uk is so bad with providing first standard public transport. i am from Germany,have been in many european countries, where there are smooth ways to travel on public transport without having to suffer . also cycle paths are provided in several countries where you do not brake your bycicle because they are so bad maintained. So ,if the UK Government is not investing in superior public transport and cycle paths all around and everywhere in good maintainance ,why are they talking about pollution? it seems to me that most governments are told to treat us the taxpayers like idiots and cash in only.

6 of the home county boroughs are not allowing signage to be placed on their land warning of the upcoming zone. No fines issued as a result of this will be legal and Kahn cannot do a thing about it 😂

I want a refund of ulez I paid

When i lived in the UK they removed lead from petrol and set up an emissions scheme.. They also kept promising better and more train/ bus routes to encourage ditching the car. Anyhoo, went back for my Moms funeral in 2011 and decided to use the bus to go into Birmingham City as my husband had never been on a double decker.....the bus I used to ride growing up was no longer, that route was scrapped so had to do a fair bit of walking to get to the alternate bus and oh boy it was filthy. We used the hire car after that for all journeys😅 Seems like its only gotten worse Edit: forgot to say, I was born in London and back in 2006 I was down the smoke and took the tube for 3 stops to visit an Aunt and it cost me over 10 quid....I thought that was mental back in 2006

Brilliant well spoken and well done you for speaking out. 👍 It's the same with speed cameras there should be a speed sign on the camera it's self. The same goes to all roads we use to be well signed for every one to see. It's just all about stealing from the poor working. Next they will be creating areas for people with bad breath and clean breath and they will put a charge on it there will be a breath test area. It's all money making never use to be like this. 😤😡😤

Take it to court.

How can one person cause such misery for so many, I thought we the public employ councils and government to carry out our wishes

It also forces people to take on more debt buying newer Ulez compliant cars, unless you’re flush with cash which most people aren’t

If it wasn’t about money there would be low cost buses and tube and trains

The point is that there ought not to be zones and charges at all. How can you know aforehend that you may come across and have no exit. The whole thing is discriminatory, and unwarranted

It’s disgusting what they are doing to make money, not just the ULEZ but the streets near schools fining parents for dropping there kids off or picking them up. Some parents don’t have time to walk the kids to school then back home to drive to jobs that are a fair distance away, or are single parents with more than one child but have to go to a school a distance from where they live. Funny how the MPS will have drivers take there kids in and nothing happens because apparently there exempt !!!!! Absolutely disgusting!

No way id ever go near London these days. Its an utterly insane place

all the charges are unlawful even the dartford

The way to do this isn't to penalise existing motorists, it's to phase out non-compliant vehicles by stopping producing them. Nobody expects to buy any product only to be told that there is now an additional charge for using said product; a business pulling that tactic would be taken to court for unfair dealing. It's bad enough that the Dartford crossing is a toll road - why? I pay vehicle excise duty and I pay tax on petrol for every mile I travel, adding random extra payment zones is weaselly.

Surely continuing to try and enforce the 'charge' after a court has ruled in favour of the individual is contempt of court by TfL?

Is the Mayor gonna slap another £12.50 on the London Underground. Because that must be 10x worse than the overhead. He don't mind that because your using the London public transport

Up most respect to everyone out there cutting down the cameras

These signs should be well before the zone with alternative routes marked if you want to miss the zone.

This could blow in tfls face

So...once you have paid the charge does your car not pump out fumes? if not what is the point really?

So will they be refunding all those people that have been hit with these illegal charges? Not likely and that’s the problem with government, no accountability for their actions.

So if you fight for it until court you might win result " tfl illegal signs". How comes it has not been removed till then and what about people who still is being fooled and paying those charges?????

I have a 15 year old diesel car that if I drive into London I will need to pay the £12.50. That car emits 180 g CO2 per km. I recently bought a new petrol car which emits 220 g CO2 per km. This new car can drive into London with no need to pay the ULEZ fee. Something has not been thought through with all this, obviously…

This isn't about money, it's about control. They eventually want to ban private car ownership. ULEZ is just about increasing coverage for TfL cameras.

Hear hear. Let's not forget, the air quality in the London Underground is proven to be over ten times worse than the official good air quality measurement of 10 on serious professional air quality measuring devices. Whereas, on the street level in the busiest of traffic at the busiest times, the same meter struggles to get over 3, indicating giid air quality. Sadist Khan is chair of the C40 group of mostly Neo-Communist Mayors of big cities around the world, so Khan is trying to demonstrate his power to the other Mayors in pushing the UN and WEF led Neo-Communist system of digitial control in the name of scientifically corrupted faux religion of climate change. Khan has to be stopped, shown the door, and thrown in the shoo marked UN WEF fraudsters.

Now ULEZ is in Cudham a few miles from Rochester Kent My friend was caught..NOT fair..

How comes this has not been mentioned on the TV news

So those paying money are still chugging out fumes, and those that are compliant, are also still chugging out fumes. What’s the point ? Fumes are still being produced ! The only way to reduce fumes in London or any big city is to pedestrianise the whole city !

This may be a silly question, but if you only get charged when caught by a camera at the edges of the zone, does that mean that provided you never leave the zone you can drive round all day every day without a charge?. Also I saw a video the other day that was about a man who bought a right rust bucket chucking out fumes all over the place and registered it with the DVLA as having Transport for London as the registered keeper so all his fines went to TfL.

Up the common man. Thank you for your efforts, sir.

Brilliant man. Well done. ULEZ should be scrapped anyway. How dare the nayir if London rip motorists off. He should be stopped and here is at least one legal precedent, which ids what the look law is based upon. Go for the jugular and get this awful man stopped.

So does this mean that everyone who has been fined can claim their money back from TFL?

this is so true. Not being a Londoner, I also got confused over the low emssions zone sings on the rare visits to London . He is right.

For workers they should be exempt not for leisure use though!!

Don’t worry they will be quick to silence him

Exactly right. Those signs mean nothing if you don’t know what they mean, or whether your vehicle complies. The sign could say gobbledygook because that’s all it means.

The scary thing is that they can enforce this and send in bailiffs ect In Northern Ireland bailiffs are illegal and I believe this should be the case in the UK

Totally agree with this, I’m from Oxford and recently got a job in London. Totally unaware that there is a charge until speaking to another staff member and then making me aware. Week later I get a fine, totally unacceptable! These signs don’t state anything about being charged

Why raise a family in uk better to leave this prison

It’s money grabbing, that’s all it is, I hope more people fight against this. ULEZ appears to just be a double up on the Congestion charge, they are treating us all like mugs, it’s disgraceful

Over 300 cameras already removed by citizens. :)

Like you need this extra work when you run a small business.

Sunak does not want you to remember that the expansion of ULEZ is at the direction of Grant Shaps, and is government policy 😂😂😂

More citizens like this guy needed 👍👍👍

The signs are even less lawful if you spray paint over them

its all about control of people's lives

This is exactly the kind of ACTION that is needed in order to challenge these unwarranted money making rackets by Mayor Khan and his office. This gentleman was given a fine of £11,500 in total! Enough to break a small business or bankrupt an individual - its insane! But he didn't just moan about it, no he decided to do something constructive about it and he won the day not just for himself but potentially for other motorists. When the man in the street decides NO, enough is enough we can all benefit.

Totally agree. The guys understand the situation. If your not a Londoner it’s Double Dutch !

The air pollution at ground level has been recorded at well below the recognised safety limit - whereas air quality on the underground is something like over 4x the permissable exposure limit. That's what I read recently - a tiktocker posted with a hand held particulate monitor.

all about money and not about cleaning the Air. but there's more flights into/Out of Heathrow which pollutes the air more in a month than a years worth of cars can ever do.

This guy should be hailed a hero!

Texting is illegal but signs are ok

Also there is warning at distance ie the Dartford Bridge is signed a long way back. It tells you to exit the M25 at next junction to not be charged for crossing.

So tube and buses private but nationislied by back door this needs press investigation?!!

It's so obviously an old trick being played out: introduce something under the cover of something else, which initially only penalizes a small minority of the population. Then, a little later introduce what you always planned (which in this case is full time monitoring and charging for all movement).

The LEZ has been around for 15 years and signs are everywhere. I remember it because at the time, they wanted to target vans but then scrapped the idea and only targeted vehicles above 3.5t.

Criminal government eh? Who knew that could happen XD

charging people to go to the seat of our elected government, if it isn't wrong in law, it is most definitely wrong in principle. Saddiq's head should be on a post, not the camera's, as a warning to other politicians.

He is so right. All the signage and ULEZ needs to get scrapped !

I drove from the midlands for an event at the Copper Box last July. I'd never heard of this charging zone until a debt collector showed up at my door over 7 months later. A £700 charge for entering on the Friday, another £400 for leaving on the Sunday. They took every penny I had saved purely because I had no idea I had to pay for driving on public roads.

Personally I just stay away from London but obviously not everyone can do that. It is horrific though with all the different charges that you have to be aware of, and not least try to keep up with the information on the signs while simultaneously navigating London traffic. This alone should be cause to make all those charges illegal.

The signs need to actually state a charge and what the charge is, like a toll road. How else would anyone know what they're letting themselves in for? No number to call, no website listed, nothing.

The council acts like the Mafia..,

So basically he just told tfl how they can charge drivers lawfully for free!!

Is the M25 it's self under ulez now

Amazing what menticide tactics can do to the public.

"London's ultra-low emission zone, introduced to tackle toxic air in the city was drawn up by the London mayor, Boris Johnson in 2015"