Safi'jiva could surpass Fatalis - Monster Hunter Lore 

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Small correction, Fatalis was never in the New World. We traveled to Castle Schrade in the old world to fight him.

What's funny is that the Safi'jiiva we fight is the weaker than the Safi'jiiva that could've grown from the original Xeno'jiva. This is because Safi'jiiva is birthed from the bio-energy from the guiding lands & Zorah..... the Xeno'jiva we fought was birthed from the bio-energy from the ENTIRE New World including the 2 Ancient Dalamadurs that were *_individually_* bigger than Zorah..... If THAT Xeno'jiva grew up he'd be the undisputed No.1 powerful entity in MH, and probably slightly larger than Dire Maralis

I’d like to imagine that whatever final form exists for the Jiiva’s it will be equivalent to Old Fatalis. That concept art with the eastern inspired head is what I imagine the final form would look like.

My headcanon imagines Jiva as nature's attempt at countering the seemingly unnatural Fatalis

Safi was not in full control of the energy it had and was still gathering more it makes too much sense for it to have another form

Safi got the most potential out of all of the first class threats. While Fatalis and Alatreon are stronger, they are stagnant for the most part. Safi's entire ability to grow stronger by absorbing bio-essence essentially gives him infinite potential. If Safi absorbed Alatreon, Fatalis would get clapped.

Fatalis can't just regenerate from his heart and eyes afaik, but also from any gear a hunter would make out of Fatalis parts, slowly corrupting the hunter and warping them into a new Fatalis. That's why it's armor is so good, to draw you in to using it, and that's why Fatalis can always come back after being slain besides it being THE Fatalis every time. And I think a similar thing would happen if another monster somehow defeated Fatalis. They'd consume it, use it to gain strength, and then they'd become the foundation for a nee Fatalis. One that's even more monstrous than the last one.

i feel like with safi in a 1v1 with fatalis is a 50/50 and with more room to grow in the future with more lore and in site to how much stronger it can get with more bio-energy. also fatalis game play wise is week to dragon and safi hits with dragon. i myself feel like Safi is stronger. and much cooler, i love that its absorbs bio energy. and that idea of it getting stronger. like a safi that was just chilling for 200 years sucking up energy is cool. on the topic of final bosses. i would love to see Oltura show up in a main line game, given that is can drive a continent into havoc before it is even born. and have all elements, a OS attack and only being a new born in MHS2, getting a main game rematch of it would be awesome.

I believe that Safi is in dangerous first class tier but at the bottom of the barrel with potential to be the strongest. However, unless Capcom gives us more information, we dont know if there is the possibility of a limit to Safi’s strength and how much it can absorb. Or even there could be a point where Safi has too much bioenergy. But I would love to see an older Safi on the level of Fatalis or White Fatalis. Also Safi’s original design was planned to be black in color but was decided to be red because they didn't want all their really powerful monsters to only be black in coloration. Not to mention, Safi’s title is the red dragon, a parallel to Fatalis’s title of the black dragon, so Safi is definitely on the level of the black dragons.

Xeno/Safi are effectively the Trifling Worm of Monster Hunter. Trifling Worm: a creature of infinite potential for destruction. The longer you let it live, the stronger it becomes AND the more rewarding killing it would be, encouraging you to kill it as quickly as possible OR delay killing it for as long as possible.

ok so, watched the whole video, and I noticed a lot of common misconceptions which I can understand due to massive waves of misinformation throughout the entire community, things that have been going on for years at this point; let's clear things up: The reason Alatreon came to the New World and into the Secluded Valley is, as of the MHWI Divebook's section regarding Alatreon, to eliminate both Safi'jiiva and the cocoons it had left. Safi'jiiva was eliminated by us; the cocoons are seen being eliminated in Alatreon's very cutscene, the skin pieces which you are referring to when talking about Safi'jiiva possibly rebirthing. Another misconception is that of the "rebirth abilities" of Safi'jiiva and Fatalis, the big culprit here is the English Fandom Wiki, which to this day still says that Fatalis could have regenerative abilities that last long after its death. The main evidence for Fatalis' regeneration was the Black Blade in Pokke Village in MHGU, as there are legends surrounding its ability to regenerate endlessly. The problem here is that firstly, one of the minor plots in MHGU, iirc, is about tourism among villages, and how that legend about the Black Blade was likely made up for that. Secondly, even if it did have regenerative abilities, they most definitely aren't enough to bring back Fatalis to life; we can see that once in a while the mining point refreshes itself, and there's dialogue about the blade possibly regenerating, but no evidence on it completely regenerating into a new Fatalis. Edit: also wanted to point out that Fatalis stands on 2 legs yes, but never is it confirmed or implied that it does so to mock humans, same with melting hunters to its chest. Something about Fatalis' alignment that we know officially is from Kaname Fujioka (one of the series' directors), from the MH: Law of Ideas 2 Book, he points out how Fatalis should not be a purely evil being that only seeks destruction, but rather, its goals are meant to be entirely incomprehensible to us humans, so saying Fatalis is an evil guy that hates humans might not be accurate, but saying that it's beyond human comprehension I say is. Another misconception, Safi'jiiva was not designed to rival Fatalis, it was only designed as a twin of Fatalis from a purely visual perspective, something that was expanded onto gameplay as the siege mechanics of Safi'jiiva (and Kulve Taroth) are inspired by Gen1 Fatalis' multi-quest "siege". The true rival of Safi'jiiva is Alatreon, as is made clear in the MHWI Divebook, and implied in ingame dialogues multiple times. Alatreon is one of the few "Forbidden Monsters", basically Black Dragons: Alatreon, Dire Miralis, Fatalis and its variants. Forbidden Monsters are, as of probably the latest lore book released for 20th anniversary "MH Super Encyclopedia", extremely rare beings that are mostly shrouded in legends, and they're usually designed as the god tiers of Monster Hunter in terms of power, usually unrivaled. Safi'jiiva is not listed in the Super Encyclopedia as a Forbidden Monster, despite it being present in the book; it however rivals Alatreon. The rivalry between Alatreon and Safi'jiiva is basically a "creation/destruction" type cycle, and as of both ingame dialogue and the MHWI Divebook, it would have had catastrophic consequences for anything around them. The reason why Alatreon acted upon Safi'jiiva is because, as of the MHWI Divebook, Forbidden Monsters have a "planetary perception of territory", meaning that the entire world is their territory to them, and that if there's anything that could challenge them, they will act on it. Alatreon felt directly challenged by Safi'jiiva, and acted on it, and the outcome of their battle, as said earlier, would have been catastrophic, and the winner would have been unsure. Safi'jiiva also likely won't ever have a final form, for it is the final form. The reason for Safi'jiiva's "Perfect Lifeform" title is because it was meant to be a fully grown Xeno'jiiva, with every flaw of Xeno fixed and the strengths of it amplified. There is a singular implication that Safi'jiiva may still be growing, granted not through molting, the MHWI Divebook points out how Safi'jiiva's scales have dark edges, that seem to be as if the scales are gradually darkening. (SPECULATION INCOMING) It could be associated to something similar as Nergigante's spikes getting darker as they are exposed to the air and harden because of that, and it could also be a nod to Safi'jiiva being only an early adult, and also a nod to black dragons, but for now, this is all speculation. As for Fatalis being affected by Safi'jiiva, we have very few things to go off of: the main thing implying that Safi'jiiva may have reawakened Fatalis is a MHWI Divebook statement about maybe, Safi'jiiva has something to do with Fatalis' return, but nothing beyond that for Safi in specific. As for ingame statements, we have the General hinting/implying at Fatalis' return being related to the recent events surrounding other "catastrophic elder dragons", I assume this is about Shara and Ruiner, and then Safi and Ala. This is further supported by a dev note from the MHWI Divebook talking about how the events leading up to Fatalis, starting from the beginning of the game, are a gradual domino fall that lead to things happening after things, starting from the Elder's Crossing, to the Old Everwyrm Incident, leading up to the Guiding Lands, Safi'jiiva, Alatreon, and in the end, Fatalis is awakened from all the mess. Still, not much to say that it was Safi'jiiva's doing, and only specifically Safi's. As for power rankings, something that most people here are prolly curious about given the title of this video n stuff, I say Safi'jiiva and Alatreon should both be on the same page, maybe Safi'jiiva could be a bit higher for me, but generally speaking the fluctuate on the same exact tier. Fatalis, however, should remain unrivaled, based on the general theme of its storyline in Iceborne being that it required a massive joined operation with all the countries in the known world to stand the slightest of chance against it, how it's stated multiple times ingame that "if we don't (stop it), everything will perish", something that is further explained in the MHWI Divebook, evidencing that Fatalis could end all living things in an unseen disaster, referring to Fatalis as a "disaster that threatens all living beings", and the fact that the MHWI Divebook even goes out of its way to say that the statements of Fatalis "burning the entire world/everything down" are not a "figurative expression/metaphor, but a fact", and how it is, in multiple occasions, stated that Fatalis has power that "transcends" every lifeform and how it holds flames that could burn anyone and anything down, yeah I think it's safe to say that Fatalis is prolly just the strongest monster in Mainline Monster Hunter, aside from ig its own variants and maybe Dire Miralis if Capcom finally does something with it. I would list every single page and source here beyond just saying the titles of some MH books and stating ingame dialogues, but right now I'm kinda tired and this comment is more of a generalized thing rather than a whole lore drop. I also would say that trusting Fandom Wiki or youtubers like RageGamingVideos or Team DarkSide for lore doesn't work well a lot of the times. Hope you read this even if it's an extremely long comment, just wanted to clear things up, and goodbah

I always thought that safi is a newly grown dragon who doesn't have enough experience. I'd like to imagine that at some point it realizes that it's massive size is a disadvantage and further evolves to a more compact, more agile & stronger form. But i guess that's too farfetched.

Safi'jiiva and Fatalis, Alatreon is my favourite elder dragons.

It's a shame i REALLY hope Safi comes back because they butchered her story, scrapping the OG story they had planned to add Fatalis and the Old World tie in story line, leaving Safi to feel like a villain of the week instead of the rightful antagonist of the game. No Arch Tempered, no Safi final boss, and we didnt even get the Pure Dracolites that are in the game but unobtainable.

Man if safi got his claws on al and drew in his power...PHEW! i can't begin to imagine what fresh hell would be unleashed

I really hope they buff Safi in Wilds and give him his ultimate more mature form, it's such a cool monster!

If she's 14 im 14

I think of it as unlimited potential in Safi vs raw power in Fatalis

These are some theories I never thought about, good work

I feel like there could be a elder dragon that is even stronger then Fatalis but not as smart or hateful but just as powerful as it but the guild haven’t found it yet or did but never returned

Tbh i think its the same species dragon where the Legend of the Shapire star came from! His Big attack looks like a small shapire light! So yeah

An unfortunate detail here. Without any mistranslations, it is stated in the Iceborne book that Safi'jiiva rivals Fatalis in design alone. Also, I find it strange that Fatalis only woke up after Safi's defeat, my theory is that Safi'jiiva's death could be a huge blow to nature, causing Fatalis to wake up and punish humans for their sins.

The thing with safi gameplay wise is we dont get a feel for its power or strength in a group I have killed both safi and Fatty a lot but got curious and fought fatalis and killed him alone(was one of my first times) and i struggled But then i went back and fought the full safi siege on my own to get the full part break and all energy consumed That took me 5 hours In that entire siege i realized that safi is way more intelligent than Fatalis and combos way more often and predicts basically everything you do to an extent It actually came to thw point where i got annoyed and someone said safi is easy and i told them to solo it then When i did kill it i thought that safi is the hardest monster to kill and in my eyes that alone makes me think safi surpassed Fatalis And yes safi alone is still a harder fight solo then fatalis

I appreciate the video ❤ it's great to know what you think about monsters like Safi'Jiva. I did wonder why Safi despite all it's power was living in obscurity.It's powerful and large and probably could take down any monster in the New World but why was it hiding? I mean sure it has it's cocoons to protect but it could just eliminate them in fact even more bioenergy to consume but I guess that it's very careful because it's weak to elements especially dragon it was kinda funny because I thought Safi was like a piñata but dragon with all it's weaknesses so players could just go ham at it 😂. And then , the next title update dropped a very familiar nemesis from the Old World returned in the name of Alatreon and it's cutscene is in the Secluded Valley and he now has water element in his arsenal. Everything kinda makes sense now , as majestic and powerful Safi is it also has a predator just like Nergigante to Shara but on a larger scale and now I understand why Safi was weak to elements the MHWI lorebook solidified this , Alatreon is the counter to Safi'Jiva . It's amazing that Capcom finally made some story about one of the forbidden monsters. Alatreon went all the way to the New World from the Old World and ended up exactly in the Secluded Valley where Safi lived not just somewhere in the New World ( his sensory skills are amazing ). He then burned and froze all the cocoons he found and all those shedded scales that protects us from Safi's Sapphire of the Emperor he destroyed them easily and he was angry while doing it I mean he went out there to throw hands and all that's left were cocoons that don't even hit back . Escaton Judgement weakens from elemental attacks which means If they fight Safi'Jiva has no way of depowering it and will take full damage everytime Alatreon does it meanwhile Alatreon could just fly from Sapphire of the Emperor and shred him with his elements. Safi probably could heal few times but the Secluded Valley won't hold that long from their clash and all the bioenergy reserves Safi made will be gone. I do understand people wanting Safi to be the next big bad but lorewise like any other monster Fatalis would scare him and will flee just like it always does during it's Siege quest.

If only Capcom would let him.

while i understand that safi has potential to be very strong, are we forgetting that white fatalis is the strongest fatalis? The Fatalis trio are, in fact, the same species. They just represent different stages of malevolent elder dragon development. Black fatty is the hatchling of the three. Since it needs a great deal of sustenance to grow it goes and attacks the most profitable source of food that doesn't fight back hard enough to be a problem, namely non-hunter humans. As such Schrade just happened to be the most convenient combination of food and shelter. Crimson is the in-between stage as Fatalis sheds to grow even more fiersome. Thus it seeks a far-off location where it can stay safe while it molts (hence the least HP of the three) and wouldn't you know it there just happens to be a cozy volcano that fits the bill. The improved fire abilites are due to the period of increased metabolism that the beast is going through. The meteors are just some elder dragon hi-jinks a la kushala wind barrier. Don't question how it works, it just does. And finally big daddy whitey is the adult (final) form. The reason it no longer has any fire abilities is due to the fact they were actually merely a by-product of its maturing process making way for the true powers it possesses by birthright (this is why black fatty has dragon on its weapons. Crimson on the other hand is mid-molt, as such the currently more pronounced fire replaces the still recessive dragon/lightining powers. Growing pains man. they be so bad they make you spit fire). based on this i would assume even if safi had room to grow... fatalis also has room to grow and i believe that white fatalis uses light and thunder as it has no shadows and only appears from eclipses and would only die at the hands of the older fatalis'

Safi'jiva? I sleep....

I heard a theroy that the fatalis fight across all appearances happen at the same time, being that the guild summoning bassicly all hunters for one monster, so that would mean safi emerges the same Time as all monster hunter games right? So is it plausible that safis emergence ruffled up the entire planets most powerful monsters (the black dragons) and hunter have to cull them before they do any damage, but what if they couldn’t? And monsters like dire mirales, alatreon, disufura, etc. would have been agitated and thus caused global devastation mass extinction and then safi one by one would have lured them all in to have that power to rival fatalis and his variants? Imagine that safi has the black dragons kill everything then take their power, but the guild effectively disrupted that by culling the black dragons, and at some point fatalis emerges in schrade at the time when safi was meant to achieve his final stage and a ragnarok level battle would change history forever, but due to the fall of safi, fatalis is kind of just chillin

My personal head canon for Xeno and Safi Jiiva, is that in actuality it's actually the FEMALE example of the Fatalis species. I say this for several reasons some more or less obvious than others. But for starters both are monsters that resemble traditional western dragons. That's not usually very typical for Monster Hunter. For two seemingly entirely unrelated species of monsters much less Elder Dragons to resemble eachother visually so closely. Next there's the fact both are considered on the same level of strength wise as eachother, and Capcom made it very clear to mention it. Now for the more speculative ecological reasoning for the head canon of both Fatalis and Safi actually being the same species. I'm willing to bet that the reason we even get to fight Xeno Jiiva at all in the new world. Is because Fatalis had already gone, and breed with the Safi we fight in game. 50 years ago back when we first started to send fleets to the new world to investigate the sudden elder dragon migration. Who at that time 50 years prior had layed her egg in the location that becomes the Elder's Recess. Due to the abundance of elemental energy in the region from all the strong monsters, and more specifically Elder Dragons that dwell there and are already there to die, so they wouldn't notice the young developing Xeno was actually siphoning their energy from them. All while it also sent out pheromones that attracted even more elders to the location in the first place as well. Which lead to the events soon after with the guild finding out and our reasom for being in the new world in the first place. We also know that clearly both Fatalis and Safi are no strangers to drastic changes in physiology as they get older. Fatalis can change into Crimson Fatalis and then as it ages even more into White Fatalis. Safi as an infant has a very clear significant change from it's Xeno Jiiva adolescent stage to it's Red Dragon adult stage. Both Fatalis AND Xeno/Safi Jiiva are all also coincidently Fire Elder Dragons with EXTREMELY powerful flames. Easily the most powerful fire attacks of any currently known monster period. Surprisingly enough as well their size differences also falls in line with the theory that they're likely the same species. In our own real world Female examples of a reptile species are known in a lot of cases to actually get much larger then their male counter parts. So Safi being much larger then Fatalis actually makes quite a bit of sense from a speculative zoology standpoint. Now I want to bring up the events that led to us finding out about Fatalis. In game we get an urgent request from the guild in person from the highest authority in the guild that a Fatalis has been sighted stirring in Castle Shrade. But coincidentally that only happens AFTER we slay Safi Jiiva narratively. My guess is since Xeno Jiiva had already hatched. It meant Safi was possibly gravid and ready to mate again when we find her and ultimately slay her. But at the same time Fatalis had already begun to awaken to begin it's journey back to the new world. But we stop it just before its ready to leave as it's building up the energy it needs for the trip after being asleep for half a century. After all Fatalis is always seen as sluggish at best especially for an Elder Dragon. It likely takes quite some time for Fatalis to build enough energy to make basically any trip much less a long distance trip to a far away continent. We also never see it but obviously as a living thing in the natural world it likely does need to consume SOMETHING to survive, and what makes more sense for a Fatalis to consume than raw life energy? Fatalis is also obviously part of a species there's no way that we can have multiple examples of Fatalis at different life stages, and have there only be a single example of the species in canon lore.

Next maybe Shara ishvalda? I thought they were a really cool design and concept and its power set is not to be sneezed at.

Safi did surpass Fatalis. As in I never killed one because of the seige mechanic while I soloed Fatty 30 times.

I love the tidbit about Fatalis standing on its hind legs to mock humans. Where did you learn this kinda stuff?

I want us to fail at some point and this world altering monster wins, and then the dlc is tied into fixing it or dealing with it

What if Alatreon was actually trying to get Safijiva on it's side to destroy the human race because isn't in the lore that Alatreon basically reached out to Fatalis telling it that we were back to our old way's creating weapons out of monsters. That's the reason why Fatalis destroyed the old world right?

What's your layered armor?

I feel like the lore means, a fully grown jiva could be on par with fatalis

Safi'jiiva is canonically as powerful as Fatalis. In 10 fights, Fatalis will win 5 and Safi'jiiva will win 5. Although imo Safi'jiiva is slightly more powerful and will win a smidgen more amount of times than Fatalis in 100 fights. Specifically because Safi'jiiva is significantly physically bigger, tougher and more muscular and can wrestle/brawl Fatalis to the ground and kill him So imo its 53/47 in Safi'jiiva's favor

What would it evolve into hellfire Safi’jiva?

Bro your gameplay is too good i cant focus on what your saying

In the book monster Hunter world ice born it’s been stated that safi jiiva is a black dragon

The xeno is the same one not a different one

Is safi a female??