Salt Lake City's Map, Explained 

Fun fact actually the streets he is walking on are narrower than they were in the past. Because due to the pollution from cars in the 1970s the federal government required the roads to be narrower to slow down cars. So as a result there are actually huge sidewalks by the street, which were part of the street originally. This was done originally to limit car speed, but now it gives room for bike and pedestrians so it's actually still more walkable than most, but still a bit too car centric especially State Street which is a Stroad.

@@Tindog81476Stroads and depressing concrete jungles. 💀 Even stores and shops look like they want you out asap. Like you’re not allowed to be outside, no benches(god forbid an unhoused person rests) for people with leg injuries to take a break. Just a societal failure from all angles. We cater to the car industry over everything. 🤡

as a mormon floridian, when I visited Utah as 17 year old (first I left the state of FL) it was by far the most walkable city I had ever been too. Kinda crazy to think about now, but it was surprisingly nice to walk around form what I remember.@@Tindog81476

Your city can still be walkable with big roads. The blocks just have to be the design level instead

In the past there was a decent trolley system on those wide downtown streets, but they were removed around the same time other systems around the country were. The wide streets have since proved beneficial to light rail installation, and not much street widening is required to put a line thru.

1/8 mi sq is 80 acres.

@@GordonChil 1 Sq mile is 640 acres, and one eighth of a square mile is 80 acres, yes. But a square block that is 1/8 mile on each side is 1/64th of a square mile: 10 acres. In other words, it takes 8x8=64 such blocks to fill a square mile.

@@brycechristensen2296 You're right, my mistake. Should have known better. 😶

I too live in SLC and that is a good bit of additional info about the block size.

How does this make the SLC blocks so different. The whole midwest is setup on a 1 mile grid and there are 8 blocks per mile in places like Chicago

Tack it up there as one more mormon thing taught to me as fact that I now discover is a myth. IYKYK

@@nicholasgermer5240I can’t imagine being such a victim wrapped in narcissism that someone like you can’t just enjoy a history video without letting everyone know about your opinion about the Church. The victimhood is strong with many Ex-Mormons.

Says who?

@@user-lx5zg5vv2z Says I 🏴‍☠

@@user-lx5zg5vv2z The literal expert in the video?

Logan also is centered around the tabernacle rather than the temple. The Temple is a couple blocks Northeast of

I went to BYU, then lived in Orem when we got married. It was during this time that GPS navigation was just starting to become a thing, and I was always a little sad that, because of the layout of the cities I spent my time in, I never would need one. Pretty easy to know where to go when you just need to get to 4th South 312 East or whatever

Ogden is a bit of an outlier in that list. The city grew out of Fort Buenaventura and then the railroads. The Ogden temple wasn’t built until the late 1960’s.

That’s also why a lot of Mormon developed cities have a city center with a temple.

It also extends to planning where the cities are! Even though they are all kinda squished together along the wasatch front, a drive down through central Utah along the highway makes it clear each city was purposefully placed along that route about one day's journey on horse or wagon away from each other. Lots of intentionality!

Hey, that sounds interesting, care list your thesis?

Yeah, I'm interested as well

@alextrickier4613 I live in a grid city, traveling to non-grid cities is seriously frustrating. I’m also interested in reading your thesis if you care to share.

Honestly could not agree more!!

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That’s because urban planning in the US really sucks

I enjoy watching the ones where they simply ride trains to enjoy them.

This is true, but don't oversell it. Once you know the address you know where it is, but outside of the center of the city anyway that doesn't always translate into knowing how to get there. Maybe Salt Lake City is better about this - I've spent much more time in other Utah grid cities - but I've more than once found myself circling where I knew the address had to be but still having a hard time figuring out how to get there.

@@hkpew I’m an Utah native, I work doing GIS for the government of a county in northern Utah (not Salt Lake). I know that sometimes addresses be out of order or flat out in the wrong place in some one-off cases. This is especially the case in counties that are not Salt Lake county. Salt Lake county has one grid system for the whole county, but most others have multiple grids that butt up or overlap each other that cover 1-2 cities. Where it gets tricky is when the grids overlap or when there are old addresses that were made by folks who didn’t properly plan it out and now retain the address for the sake of historical consistency, and sometimes it’s just plain not wanting to change their address because it’s the one their family has had for generations. The center of each grid is different, so it’s hard (for me at least) to recognize where the center is in relation to me and also when I cross into a new grid. In my experience, getting around Salt Lake county is very intuitive-with some exceptions, but other counties are harder.

I love an excuse to take a trip to Europe and I now have the perfect one 🙏🏻

@@DanielsimsSteinerHey Daniel, this videos are great, would love to see you outside the US as well! Can I ask where do you get the maps from? They look so coean

He would be discussing thousands of years of history for many of them, and the videos would be like an hour long lol

@@WimsicleStranger - Isn't that great though? Proper documentaries :D

If he can talk about SLC grid for 15 minutes then I imagine a video about Rome's "grid" would be feature length.

Ditto. It's wild how warm it's getting. Weird not having snow in the valley.

The winter before this one was ridiculous though! Gas bill doubled last winter! 🥶

same

Less a myth than a happy accident. The fire-break effect is underappreciated & an awesome purpose.

Wide streets as planned fire breaks is genius, but I would think it would also be helpful to have smaller blocks. The less stuff on a block the less stuff at risk in case of a fire.

Wow this means so much! Thank you. I’m really excited for the videos I have planned 🙏🏻 more on the way!

Must be easier when you grow up there. Living there for almost a year, the way streets and addresses have their naming convention was almost always complete gibberish to me. As they say, you either love it or you hate it.

@@SpudSpudoniit’s a Cartesian coordinate system where positive x is north, negative x is south, positive y is east and negative y is west. It only gets confusing when new developers throw in curved streets that are just named.

@@rebeccawebster646 Agree to disagree. The further you get out of downtown the harder it is to navigate and understand how to get around naturally, especially on the highways.

@@SpudSpudoni i believe that some of the perception of it being gibberish is you convincing yourself of it. I'm not originally from SLC, but i've spent a decent amount of time in SLC after my formative years, the amount of distance to the origin point of the grid doesnt factor in, even at 4000+ south someone can just tell me their address and i know their exact location, i know what roads i have to get on, and where i have to turn, even when ive never been there before at all.

@@lavantant2731 Idk, having someone tell me that their address is on "Brook Street" is much easier to google when spoken, versus hearing someone say they live on "3576 W 1765 S". I'm not a computer who can tell where every single road will lead to within the surrounding city and neighborhoods of Salt Lake City, but maybe mormons are programmed more for it.

You should be frustrated with your own “religion” for lying to thousands of people, covering up sexual abuse, and stealing money

Lets not kid ourselves and say the Mormon’s only motivation to move was because of “persecution” as much as this myth has been propagated, it’s just simply untrue. The LDS fled state after state because the consequences of their actions kept catching up to them. In particular the consequences of Joseph Smith’s actions. While yes, there were those out there that genuinely had an unjust hatred of Smith and his followers, most of the outrage came from unacceptable behavior from Joseph Smith and his church. I mean the LDS church was pushed out of Nauvoo (a city the Illinois government let them have) after Joseph Smith and his militia illegally stormed a local newspaper printing press and burned it to the ground because the paper publicized critiques of Smith and his church. Smith committed countless crimes and regularly harassed and provoked communities near his settlers every time they moved states. This is the primary reason the LDS and their followers fled. Brigham was as or more confrontational of a person as Smith was, and knew that with the (justified) reputation of behaving badly the Mormon’s had got, as well as the bad standing with the federal government, their only chance was to literally flee the country. (Hence why they chose Mexican territory to settle on) Brigham wanted to make his own laws and government to cater specifically to the church, so they could avoid being prosecuted or pushed out for their crimes once again. Persecution towards mormons was rarely from unjustified hatred.

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@@tuckermiller9137fr like they dont even know shit about their religion

​@@tuckermiller9137 It might have been somewhat justified, but it still was persecution. Either way they were basically forced out to Utah (or at least towards the west) after making people upset in Missouri and Illinois. Also in Missouri in particular the governor literally made an extermination order that allowed people to legally kill Mormons (which seems pretty dang unconstitutional but nobody really contested it at the time). Illinois was kinda a different story though, the persecution wasnt from goverment, just from people they'd made angry.

This “Saint” thing is really forced and only present on the internet. Mormons call themselves mormon. You aren’t canonized and this directive was issued like 4 years ago stop with the 🧢

Maybe they aren't as nice about it because the Mormon church has done scummy and deplorable actions, including S/A hush funds and religious based law making hmmm

I was thinking the same thing

Thank you!!!!

I’m so glad you enjoyed it! 🙏🏻

Wow thank you sm!

Thank you very much!

For real. I don't understand why they get such a bad rap. I'm a staunch atheist and got along swimmingly with all the LDS folks I met when I lived in SLC. More than any other religious group I've ever brushed shoulders with, they have an immaculate sense of self-awareness. And on the flip side, religious super majorities also give rise to interesting counter cultures. That city really is kind of the best of both worlds.

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The purpose of the Deseret alphabet was actually opposite of what you describe here. They started using an alternative alphabet to make it more difficult for outsiders to immigrate into their society.

Do you have a source?​@@GhotiCan

​@@GhotiCan This is not correct; the Deseret alphabet takes less than an hour to use well.

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The preferred term is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Basically, there's been a lot of confusion over whether we worship Christ (which we do), and so we've changed from the old nickname Mormon, since it doesn't represent our church. For members, just call us Latter-Day Saints.

@@GloryToComradeForster born and raised in Utah county Utah with the most Mormon Mormons that ever Mormoned. When I grew up there were billboards all over for a church campaign that said “I’m a Mormon” that was maybe 15 years ago…

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Oh amazing!! Have a fun, safe trip!

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Here to recruit nerds 🤓

It is so interesting isn't it, that the political ideologies of the culture seemed to have flipped like that. It's refreshing to hear someone else say so, because I always thought so.

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That means so much! Thank you!!

Ogden has some wild history I wanna learn more about FOR SURE #DT

Building it out rn 🫡

Hahaha adding it to the list just for u. Thanks so much 🙏🏻🙏🏻