Saltburn: The Tumblr-ification of Cinema 

That's how you do a good ad-read. Make it a narrative, make it relevant to the presenter and interesting to follow. And don't make it Better Help, those despicable frauds. A+

random but what camera do you use? I love the quality and im thinking of making videos and I want my videos to look like this!!

@@2nd3rd1st ooh, do go on! I have always thought something seemed a little off about their ads but I guess I put it down to some of the happy customers (sorry, I misspelled ‘paid actors’. Must be more careful in future) being annoying and overly perky to this jaded toaster

@@satansclaw11 presumably without a ‘K’ sound at the end? Or is it like Van Gogh? A sort of guttural G/K sounding consonant?

@@chcowley Waugh is hell

I mean, is it even a misunderstanding? The movie is hardly anti-rich considering it portrays the rich family as mostly nice and the person trying to kill them as an insane greedy incel.

They didn't misunderstand anything, flexing wealth and anti poor is the moral of this shallow movie 😭 I thought it'd be deep but ig it's just saying if u encounter a scholarship student make sure to lock your doors up tight, most likely a diabolical and depraved person. His gross scenes worked well tho for the shock value, every one was curious abt the movie cus of it

The director is a woman who grew up mad rich😭 who's father was jeweler for Elton John and madonna, she went to school with princess kate Middleton and then she went to Oxford. We can't really expect a good movie abt class consciousness from someone like that

@@tonystonem9614 it was a great movie, this needs to be my final comment but this video and this creator is so critical it pisses me off

@@user-ft3vt6se3nI’m open minded even to criticism as long as well substantiated. As an Australian that loves film, it was a romp. it was meant to be fun. On reddit in particular something I noticed acutely was that Americans didn’t get it. They don’t get the sense of humour or the cinematic references, and I hate to spoil it but there are so many reference points in this film, to English cinema, not American cinema. Sometimes films are made for different markets and if you didn’t like it, that’s okay, but it inherently doesn’t make the film, shallow or ineffective.

soo true! some movies could have been so great… if only..

Ugh, yes. I did not really care for that movie at all. I really loved saltburn, tho.

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yes that's very accurate, that was another fast-food movie

​@@FileCode1459 "fast food movie" is such a good description of it.

That’s exactly how I felt about Poor Things

It's like something out of a Garth Ennis comic book. Just shock value for the sake of it And it feels even more pointless after he reveals it was all an act, so why do all that weird shit?

​@@Apostrophe4035poor things wasn't gross for shock value like saltburn is, it was gross to enhance how weird and disgusting the world is from a newborn's pov

It's brutalism is supposed to lure you in. Actions that are socially taboo or disgusting, but the movie fails to make those scenes coherent within the story. It feels like misplaced tonally beats. They reek of a body horror genre, but such horror can only do well if there is character to pair it up with. It brings meaning to those scenes, makes you want to watch them again and understand the emotions, even through fear or disgust. With Saltburn I only felt the urge to fast forward. Edit: spelling

it's disturbing and gross, but it doesn't seem that bad compared to some much more disgusting stories with deep meaning behind the disturbance.

flawed, complicated, deeply ugly characters have been rebelled against by a terminally online crowd ever since kevin spacey’s abusive behavior turned audiences off from watching american beauty and we’ve suffered because of these people.

@@tonimashdane33498 Huh, haven't thought of it as a direct result of controversy, that's an interesting take. What's also weird is that casting beautiful people for specific roles completely makes sense. Like Don Draper. But it seems to have become an overshadowing trend to make every piece of media look like something between a La Mer commercial and an episode of Hannah Montana. Netflix is especially egregious. It's like we want everything to be smooth and agreeable and disconnected from reality now.

I don't think it's a TikTok problem that has been a problem in a lot of stories not wanting characters that aren't conventionally attractive characters to be important characters sometimes that can lead to problems like the storytelling being confusing because the story is telling something else but the looks of the character contradict it. Examples of that are a lot of video game women characters or the ugly high school nerds.

Its especially angering when a character who's supposed to be ugly, but looks just as pretty as the rest of the cast.

​@@haveagoodday7021I agree, though that's existed long since social media

This is why Bong Joon-ho makes the best "eat the rich" movies.

Agreed. This is the same woman who is close to the delevingnes and went to public school (public schools in the uk are high fee paying private schools) who also won an academy award for her first film. The upper class can’t write about the middle or working classes because they never once seen them as equals

i wouldnt even call Barry Keoghan's character middle class, rather lower upper class. personally i think theres nothing really to discuss about saltburn. imo its just a fun, goofy lil movie that has nothing to say. however a conflict about lower vs upper upper class (with the middle and lower classes being completely absent) makes it slightly more interesting

​ @mvximillivn His character is middle class. Upper class in the UK = the peerage, gentry and hereditary landowners (worth a read - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class_in_the_United_Kingdom#Upper_class). In fact, reading her bio, Emerald Fennell herself is upper middle class.

@@tonimashdane33498 Such as Parasite where the rich family literally does nothing wrong and the rich father gets murdered out of the poor father's own insecurity.

Yeah this is pretty damn spot on, I liked how the film was *made but still lacked a lot and didn’t really accomplish much.

The ads sold it, the movie made us feel ripped off 😂

why did you pass out

Hahaha. She told no lies!😂

Agreed.

I want to be friends with you. Also going to do this suggestion because I don’t want to watch Saltburn but having something to directly compare is going to make it better

Ripley will always been in my top 5

Its incredibly unfortunate she made basically a worse copy of the same story

i did the same thing and felt the same way lol

I really didn't feel anything for Mr Ripley, Actually, I felt so little, I had forgotten I had watched it at all and had to re-watch it after Saltburn and seeing people compare them, and even now I still say Saltburn is the better of the 2.

For real! I was waiting to feel conflicted or like I was there, sexy and attracted to Jacob Elordie. The film has 0 rizz, indeed. It's so muted and eh.

Damn. You nailed it.

I think its simply not a political movie at all.

@@Laura-gd4ku and that would be false, no matter the movie

@@kostajovanovic3711 oh for gods sake, many people and movies are apolitical. Being apolitical is not a “privilege” either it’s literally a choice. I’m a gay man and I’m probably center but I don’t pay that much attention because it’s boring to me lowkey lol. I do love Obama and am sick of people calling him and George bush war criminals, like get over yourself. A few other republicans I love are Jared Kushners and Ivanka Trump, they seem lovely and Ann Coulter who was HILARIOUS at the Rob lowe roast and the roasts about her were so ctuel and personal, it was appalling like they actually didn’t like her and thought she was a bad person My parents voted for Trump and some of you think we should cut them out of our lives, enough already

u act as if emerald’s family comes from the same league of landed gentry as the characters of the movie. i’m sorry if u think that the rich people are somehow sympathetic or meant to appeal to the audience. the film is a story about the corrupting capacity of power and wealth. oliver for all intents and purposes would’ve become a normal person if he wasn’t so fixated on this type of wealth that you can’t naturally gain. the cattons are cold and callous and utterly uncaring of any of his real or fake experiences. in the end, he’s as soulless as the rest of them and it isn’t a cautionary tale to the elite, it’s a cautionary tale about the cyclical tale of corruption that is so intertwined with power

yup you solved it, way to go.

@tinker_belle41 I agree to an extent. I don’t think they were particularly meant to be that shocking in terms of them being the most “disgusting” and “gross” thing ever but that’s how people took it, and she had to know they have the added value of being shocking. However, while sexy, they are also supposed to be confronting/daring and raw and graphic and Emerald definitely knew that when including them. I would argue the whole film is built on shock factor, if not the graphic imagery, then the plot twists. Emerald even said herself the idea was built around the idea of someone licking a plughole. And that’s kinda the problem with it because it doesn’t go beyond the plughole so to say. It’s a beautiful, haunting image but it can’t carry a whole film and she must’ve known that because she added in a whole other component about class and wealth and greed, and thats where it becomes messy and loses its message in my opinion.

Could be a gateway for all the people experiencing the "shocking" movie to watch more unconventional and actually disturbing movies. Since mainstream popular movies right now are generally especially terrible I take comfort in this even if it's only slightly outside mainstream.

“Indie film” has become a genre in the since that a movie with massive budget can copy an old book or film beat for beat and they can just apply “alternative cinematography” to make it look more indie and “aesthetic” it’s pretentious for the sake of, it’s the same as an adult cartoon being crude for the sake of “adult”

Iv never heard of this movie untill now

> I personally feel like she was never really willing to make the Cattons truly contemptible or dissect class dynamics because it would mean dissecting her own privilege, and frankly nepotism, in an unflattering way. That's just silly though. There are decent rich people and there are rich people who are complete pyschopaths. How they are portrayed in one movie isn't going to change the world.

​@@user-hz6fj9xy4y im sorry but the ultra rich are 100% bad and on purpose. no one can be a billionaire and be a good person at the same time

@@user-hz6fj9xy4yno one said it’d change the world, just that in order to write critically about class dynamics, she would have to analyze her own position within those class dynamics. otherwise, it would fall flat on that axis, which it did.

​@@wormie1312Perhaps she did just that, but within her own worldview.

What is the difference between the rich's lifestyle being coveted, and inequity? Unless you're saying its not that the poor want to live like the rich, but that they want the rich to live like the poor?

Same fucking thing, it served its purpose and movies are subjective

@@user-ft3vt6se3ndude get a life. You’re replying to literally every single comment here. It’s pathetic

@@user-ft3vt6se3nThe purpose of a film is to tell a story. If that story is told poorly, it did not serve its purpose. And chill, it seems like you can't handle a differing opinion. Movies ARE subjective, so separating a film that "is" good from a film that "looks" good is perfectly within someone's right.

@@MsLazykatnot at all, you chill. It’s the same thing and it’s a damn good movie and told a great story

Funny that Poor Things gets so much love when I believe it essentially commits the same cardinal sin to a much worse extent.

So, it's just another unoriginal thing Fenell did.

@@jalapenofarts Emerald is a fucking GENIUS and brilliant and lovely and is very original

Honestly had no idea.

@@jalapenofarts No, it's just a representation, albeit somewhat exaggerated, of the geographical/class divide within the UK.

There's actually a variant of that joke in the Bible: "And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth?" John 1:46 Shakespeare gives us another variant: Casca: "Those that understood him smiled at one another and shook their heads; but, for mine own part, it was Greek to me." Julius Caesar, Act 1, Scene 2

why?

I pointed out to my friends that the first half Saltburn was clearly trying to introduce themes of desire, class, and a good old fashioned English stately-home mystery, but then proceeded to give up all this in the second half. All they could say in response was "your expectations were wrong going into it, it's just a fun thriller". Soo annoying how Saltburn fans refuse to see how shallow it is

@@jw-ob1wv it’s not shallow in the slightest and your tone is condescending and like it’s an “objectively shallow movie” it’s fine to not like it but stop acting like movies aren’t subjective.

I was actually kind of relieved it wasn’t a class commentary type movie (not that I’m against that, it’s just there were several movies the year before with the exact same type of approach) and liked the SPOILER Twist that he wasn’t actually poor but after that it felt like they didn’t know what to do with the movie at all. I’ve seen a lot of interpretations of it and frankly I find them to be a bit grasping at straws in terms of the plot’s coherence. There were themes, sure but part of media literacy is critiquing whether a film achieved its commentary, not just that it felt like there was commentary there. The Idol was supposedly about sexual liberation but I’d say most people would say it failed miserably on that mark.

And then when none of it added up or made sense came back in with the lol its just a silly trashy thriller it's not that deep lol! What? Then why did they take the time to include so much symbolism? The problem is it didn't go anywhere meaningful or connect back in a way that's satisfying. Its just there

@@user-ft3vt6se3nyou are part of the group they were talking about.

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same 😭 i gave up at 40mins it felt so empty. read the spoilers and it didn't change my mind

That doesn't mean people can't enjoy it for what it is. I wasn't exactly a fan of this film either after watching it, but there's something oddly nice about the 'experience' of Saltburn. Maybe it's just the simplicity, the escapism it offers. I think the problem here is that it got the aesthetics of an A24 film, and suddenly everyone's expecting it to be this deep, philosophical masterpiece. Can't we just enjoy a visually pleasing, maybe mindless flick sometimes? It's funny how aesthetics can mess with expectations. It's like people expected a revelation just because it looks pretty. Yes, Saltburn might be lacking in substance. But maybe we all need a reminder that not every movie has to have life-altering storytelling. Sometimes, the general 'feel' of a movie can still be meaningful if it hits you at the right moment in life. Like a melancholic song. Or even Tumblr gifs.

⁠@@Catfood430 A film doesn’t have to have “life altering” storytelling BUT this kind of film that emerald fennel was trying to create should have some form of substance. The pretty looking aesthetics actually make the lack of substance stand out more and make the experience of watching the film more frustrating in my opinion. It’s empty calories. When looking at tumblr gifs I have a completely different set of expectations than going into a film with the hype being so high and everyone saying how it’s such a thought provoking movie with deep themes…

So you're implying that tumblr girls are stupid?

Amazing that you commented!! Are you also in the film business?

Minghella died too young. I really appreciate the television work he did with Jim Henson in Henson's later stuff. I vividly remember Juliet Stevenson in one. His work on The Storyteller is among my favourite works ever put to screen. May your uncle rest well.

@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 The Storyteller is absolutely a top notch project and I wish more people knew about it! Thank you X

I agree. It makes the scene where he drinks the bathwater and fucks the grave as played just for shock value. If his whole plan was to get all their money and he wasn't actually obsessed with Felix, why do all of that then, like, what was the point?

@@coralflorist Exactly!

​@@coralflorist he was obsessed with Felix. When he realised he could never get him, he decided to take his place out of this sick want him/want to be him mindset. That's what I interpreted at least

you're thinking too hard. consider bill hicks' take on basic instinct

This is solidified to me because I thought Keoghan did a fantastic job, All the way up until the 'revelation' scene. He's incredible at playing naturalistically, feeling like you're watching a real person who's not on camera- so monologuing exposition as an 'arch' villain I didn't feel was playing to his strength. Movie looked good tho!

If thats what you took from the movie then youre stupid. It’s a story about desire and obsession

Why do you have to feel his empathy? He wanted something, driven by desire… and he got it.

i think your mistake is in insisting that oliver must represent a larger societal group, or that this story has to be saying something about class, when i honestly dont think the director was thinking too hard about that. this is a work of almost fantastical fiction, and sometimes films are intended to be viewed as just that. i think the film is definitely saying something, but that "something" can be interpreted in many ways, which i actually like a lot more than if this film had tried making a singular, heavy-handed statement about #society or whatever

Oliver is a monster. He’s the consequence of the aspirational culture the upper class keep disseminating and promoting. It’s like a fable, where an action has extreme consequences. The best comparison would be Asami in Audition. She’s an hyperbolic consequence of misogynistic culture. She just happens to be a psychopath and the protagonist let her into his life due to his unrealistic expectations of women. Something similar happens in Saltburn. The premise of Saltburn is solid. The execution, not so much. It’s a little too sympathetic to the rich that it almost sounds like a cautionary tale. To be wary of the lower classes.

The difference is this is a satire. It is intentional that there is no real way to feel at the end. Oliver is completely ambiguous. It goes back to Farleigh's the "creepy little doll factory they make Olivers in." Where you are left not knowing what to feel. The anti-hero of Oliver is ultimately that he is a protagonist AND antagonist, for no other reason than that he 'won', or did he? feeling. And then you're left empty, stunned, confused. Practically every frame and dialogue of this is a clue or a reference that this is nothing that it seems. Suspenseful almost sinister music in odd places. Oliver's mostly clumsy, lucky cleverness....

Agreed

It was brilliant

it was dog shit, such good cinematography in this film, there were moments where barry was flooded with blue liight which was a motif of the film, and im sure they are trying to cover up for the fact they cant afford to throw a billionaires party, but it looks taccy and it felt likeso many other party scenes ive seen in shit films. it felt like the fall of the house of usher which was a shit tv series, phoney television shiteness. the cheap lasers and discos lights were bad and they should have stuck with blue lighting, more reserved rather than tacky. the film felt like it was made for tv and then edited into a film like a lot of these semi small budget breakaway successes do feel like. because they score high with test audiences before marketing even gets a hold and they are given the much more risky and expesnive chance to go to cinema. the story remained good but the party scene let them down and lets not forget talented mr ripley was a complicated and brilliant film and this is dance music and the little shit getting away with it conseuence free, hardly exploring the larger themes at play in the stories it borrows from. watered down gen x propoganda shit. one of the best films of the year, thats not saying much. infinity pool was great@@user-ft3vt6se3n

@@CHESSZILLA this was a brilliant movie by a sensational director

@@user-ft3vt6se3n "Nuh uh," is not an opinion, liking it regardless of flaws is...

@@nicholasmaniccia1005 absolutely not, you can dispute “flaws” it’s not “objective quality”

on the one hand i understand where you'r coming from. on the other hand, by ur measure, Parasite isn't a good class critique. and i think the danger of painting the rich as all terrible brings up a different problem. It implies the issue of class is that terrible ppl get rich, and not the system and culture that makes ppl so harmfully rich. Rich ppl are normal, diverse, and complex like you or me. And we should still eat them.

@@JunLo-tu1sz No? Regardless of his current circumstances, Bong Joon Ho grew up working class.

@@JunLo-tu1sz Oh, ofc individual rich people can be good or bad just as anyone else. It is the b#urg3oisie as a class that needs to be eliminat3d. But I'm talking specifically about Saltburn, where Fennell fails to actually make the rich family look bad, she just says she is doing it, but it shows a more empathetic picture of them all the while d3m0nizing a middle class person lol (making Oliver look like a random leech and not a complex character like Tom in Mr. Ripley). So i agree with your last paragraphs, it's not a moral choice, but Fennell puts in those terms and fails to deliver, that's what im commenting on. PS: Censored some words that i think are the ones making the all mighty algorithm delete my reply (which i had made more than 30 minutes ago).

@@BE-fw1lr Oh no no I was referring to the fact that the film portrays the upper-class as "nice" while the poor are ruthless crabs-in-a-bucket, and that despite on the surface portraying the rich more favorably, the nuance actually improves its critique of the bourgeois class.

@@grmgt Ah I see what you mean! Yeah, the film clearly fails to meet the 'scathing eat-the-rich critique' label that the movie has endlessly marketed itself with.

He didn't plan it from the start, our narrator is a compulsive liar. We discover this in the movie. Why now are we believing his final monologue that he planned it?

@@henryofskalitz5212 the movie doesn't use surrealism at all, the stuff we see at the end is known to happen. If we can't believe anything we see then its entirely pointless anyway nothing in the movie matters. That's not a defence of the movie its just quite damning that its best defence is "nothing fucking matters"

@@danielklein5829 How does the main character being a lier suddenly equate to nothing mattering?

@@henryofskalitz5212 you're using it to say that we can't trust any of the images on screen, which means nothing matters. Its facile to defend the film by saying we can't trust anything that happens in it

it's definitely not planned, there's so many points where he's plainly uncomfortable and making things up on the spot. he first flattens his tire because he wants an excuse to talk to him and spend time with a dude he clearly likes. every following action he takes is also things done in the moment and not in service of some higher plan. the end twist isn't even really a twist, it just confirms what you already know about each scene. that he's a sociopath with no morals that's been trying to get what he wants at every turn. initially the man he loved, and over time the power he craved. there's no "this was the plan all along" to be found here and any implication of that is just oliver's ego-trip and justifying himself after losing the love of his life to nothing but himself.

it's just Ripley if he won in the long run, which was a thing I didn't know that I wanted apparently

I actually think you’re right, I was laughing at a lot of the scenes due to the ridiculousness of it all.

yeah i was absolutely confident that it is meant to be funny

Well, it was supposed to be a dark comedy, over the top, and absurd.

Was it really not meant to be funny? That's quite sad, then.

What's seminal about it?

@@Emi-rr6ph Yeah I agree with the take but that's a weird adjective to use

I'm stealing that phrase!! 🤣🤣

@@stephenhawkins9476 kkkkk me too

God I swear there’s a lot of these “ghost” films lately

Spoooky

So is it worth watching the talented mr Ripley then?

Yes and no, this visual evokes strong feelings, but in more body horror style than this watered down thriller. Sometimes great ideas come from one strong image/ feeling but unfortunately not in this case

@@anotherhuman3221 While true. The way I'm interpreting it is that she had a notion that would be shocking to film, and everything else that followed was devoted entirely to that theme.

Belle Delphine 😍

Yes lol

lol they have the mindset and critical capacity of me as a teenager hahahaha

Anyone else feel that your superficial obsession with what you think is "attractive" is why part of the reason why this entire trash of a movie appeals to the new social media class?

@@hlmitchel go take a chill pill my dude

@@hlmitchel Fuck off, the guy is clearly physically attractive

People MISSED that???

Justice for Farleigh

for me, Oliver being able to "seduce" Farleigh (what reads on film as assault but I sincerely doubt Fennell meant it that way) was so egregious, he was distrusting of Oliver from the start! WHY would he fall for his attempts to seduce him! it makes no sense, justice for Farleigh.

​@@tinker_belle41realizing that someone is trying to scam and deceive your friend isn't being possessive over your friend's wealth

Sometimes gay people have sex with each other even if they don't like each other ​@@almostawesomeali

I was just going to make that Euphoria comparison.......Literally eggs in the same basket.

I would argue at least season 1 on Euphoria had some story substance to it. Particularly with Rue’s character.

​​@@Kaelllinn yes, and unfortunately they both have the teen and tween market locked in loaded to argue with *everyone* who's critical

Euphoria doesn't try to pretend it's a deep commentary on society or anything tho, it knows its a silly teen drama and goes all the way with it. Saltburn is just pretentious and tryhard.

I'm lost- why would soapcutting of all things _increase_ anyone's attention span? 😂

oh yes it's like the shining with the person (oliver) taking over the place (saltburn). there needs no reason for why he is a psychopath but the reveal of how everyone dies is anticlimatic. and unbelievable - almost like he have strange powers like in sacred deer the satire and humor would still work even but it's just conflicting here

@@fayexibe Yup I found the reveal unnecessary. Even as a satire, the ending did not feel earned. It felt like what she intended did not translate for many as what they perceived, like this video pointed out - the implied film vs the actual film. Like Fennell's previous film, she liked a clean ending. For this one, the last act really didn't work for me. If she had set it up well and left it up to the audience to make their own conclusions...

not seeing the talented mr ripley as inspiration is crazy bc i remember watching the talented mr ripley right after saltburn and there being similarities in the dialogue, up to line by line similarity!

@@vaibh4vi Right? I really thought she was doing a satire or even parody of TTMR. She just said nope and people are just bad, period. ?? He's a vampire. He's smart. They're dumb. ??

nothing wrong with being more focused on style and wanting to subvert expectations than crafting a coherent story, for the record.

I'm convinced it's a Public school thing. I grew up in privileged circles in the Home Counties, but I went to a Grammar School. When I got to university the difference between the Public school kids and the rest (even just 'mere' private school types) was notable. They have a completely unreasonable degree of self-assurance about them. It's often innocuous, but I think it's actually pretty potent because it often manifests in simply having no inhibition. I used to think they lacked self-awareness, but in reality I think they just don't give a fuck.

Oh please she made it on her own and she is a genius 🙄. Get over yourself

@@user-ft3vt6se3n?

​@@user-ft3vt6se3n Emerald Fennell, is that you?

@@user-ft3vt6se3n the daughter of a Eton educated multimillionaire jewellery designer and an author, who were friends with Dukes and Barons “made it on her own”? Are you fucking thick? I’m guessing you’re not British as anyone who’s from here knows how it works. Its just reality that shes benefited from extreme nepotism.

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This is actually where I think Fennel tricked me. The scene with the tutor where Farleigh hadn't done the reading and coasts on the tutor having had a crush on his mother, is what got me to sympathize with Oliver, to the point where I was he had given Felix's bike a flat. As a mixed blood gringo, albeit without a hot mom, I actually like the idea of someone whose grandfather was probably English working class offing the Toffs more than it being a distaff cousin like Farleigh. But I prefer the way the progressive stack functioned in the 1920s to the 2020s. Also, no one ever mentions that "having sex with mother earth" is how Celtic Kings sealed their possession of the land. I find this preoccupation with desire without issue between two-legged animals tiresome. Minotaur!

Couldn’t agree more! In watching this review I realized the better story would be about Farley and him possibly usurping the wealth from the family, or at least focusing on the interactions and social politics of being biracial within an old money English family.

@@je67tbdright I realized this when first watching the movie and the scene where farleigh and Felix are discussing the family’s undercover racism and how they give support to his mother I thought a second “why isn’t farleigh the lead? Why is this just a short monologue?” This question really got me more by the end of the movie, as aspiring writer I just randomly decided to started conceptualizing a whole fan fiction sequel for farleigh lol

True, but how many people genuinely knew of him before Banshees?

​​@@dannygillespie6614I mean he was in *The Killing of A Sacred Deer*, so was definitely known to a substantial horror/thriller nerds.

@dannygillespie6614 *ALOT* he was in Love and Hate before that and was known as the “Cat Killer” for years cos of his role, 71 he was great in, Dunkirk.. he’s been known of for a WHILE

this omg. yorgos lanthimos' favourite boy

I think she means that only recently he's become a major actor. Think of it like the grammys best new artist, some nominees have been in the game for years but were only nominated the year they got popular.

All aristocrats are rude - only the middle-classes bother with something as trite as politeness.

​@@judegrindvoll8467I find working class to be more polite. Especially where I grew up. My mother always said " manners are free" and was incredibly strict about etiquette, manners and politeness.

@@Camille_Anderson I actually disagree - I think working class and posh both allow themselves to express themselves freely and speak their mind, middle class politeness is borderline pathological 🤣

It was hard to see initially due to the Oxford aesthetic which instantly has people thinking it’s a movie about class when this isn't the case and this is due to the poor framing of the movie. There isn't homosexual love in a regular form, in fact there's no love at all in a traditional sense. There is a deeper love for power and greed, Oliver loves Felix for everything he stands for : power, money, sex, social status. That is what Oliver is in love with, and I pass this off as a fact about the movie because it IS: the director herself said that this is a love movie more than anything, and many critiques of the film saw this as a cop out rather than actually realising the film has very little to say about class and falls flat on its face in that element. Before Oliver's story unfolds I’m very sympathetic for his character - until you realise the darkness within. The Cottons are terrible people, so to see suggestions that this is 'a film about the rich for the middle class' is ludicrous because that implies that the audience makes the assumption that every middle class family is coming for their wealth and power which is absolutely insane within any constraints of reality. This is not a film about wealth or class at all for me, and I say it once again : the film falls absolutely flat on its face when it addresses class because there is no one to root for, no good nor bad guys from the the upper or middle class representatives in the film respectively. In fact Oliver in the UK would actually be considered to be Lower Upper class, especially as someone from Liverpool who is without a doubt Upper class in the context of their upbringing. It is a film about greed and lust and an endless desire for more: Ollie could've happily lived his life as part of the Liverpool upper class but that isn't enough for him. I've seen many people make this comment already - but initially Ollie tries his best to make it into the Upper class the 'proper' way- by working hard and going to Oxford. But that interview scene serves as a slap in the face to him - he realises that Farleigh got into Oxford by mere hereditary status. So from this scene he realises the only way to achieve his desires of having power and status is to get there the unfair way, and act as a cancerous parasite. The film in my eyes serves as a critique of the cyclical structure of the upper class, and how they're all terrible people in the context of salt burn. Every scene was grim, whether it included upper or upper middle class people - because it conveys how everyone at the top is terrible: and as soon as the current owners of salt burn die there is someone just as dreadful to replace them. This meaning takes a lot of time to understand, and that is where the film falls short - and I agree the point about the confusion of the viewer whilst watching it. But the fact that some people left that cinema thinking this was a critique of the middle class genuinely shocks me, I mean how distasteful and spiteful do you think directors can get : genuinely you sound like a bunch of conspiracy theorists, I saw a comment that said 'she makes movies like this to keep her privilege as part of the upper class' - Seriously?

@@all-caps3927 hypothetically, I wouldn't be upset with or think that a movie couldn't comment on class without having someone to root for. Aholes exist on a spectrum after all. Ultimately for this film, regardless of what it was or wasn't going for, I just didn't enjoy it much and was exploring the meaning while watching to make it less of a waste of time in my head.

@@armyofmeh fair enough, I think the aesthetic of the film is what the majority of people took away from the film, it was beautifully shot and some great actors were involved albeit in a flawed plot.

You forgot the most important part: cute white boys and homoerotic subtext

I think that rather depends on what you mean by "matter"

Use a much better movie that demonstrates visual storytelling over writing, frame it positively, and then I might agree.

And that's supposed to be a bad thing? Go write a book then. Cinema = Visual. I prefer movies with just the right 'vibes' sometimes, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Films are not books, thinking that the image does not tell a story is not understanding that cinema is about image and composition, the image is the content

Was there no obvious story unveiling for you? I feel most people disliked the movie out of spite for how obvious the story was - due to the demographic who watched the film most likely having seen Mr Ripley or any other movie referenced in the video.

Better than the books from what I'm seeing, seems like Highsmith actually identified with Ripley and agreed with his actions, if her self-loathing and Antisemitism is any indication

Same! I watched that film 6 years ago for the first time and that ending stayed with me for months. It's such a great film.

You say that like it’s a bad thing 😂

i get you 100%. i liked saltburn because it was horny as a wattpad fanfic would be. i literally even told my lover months ago how i felt like the director was a former tumblr fangirl

@@tfoxx17 I can't decide if it's bad or good lol. on one hand I love that people who Get It are making media now but on the other hand sometimes it's bad lmfao

Then there's the literal adaptations of Wattpad fics, as well.

can I get euphoria for 500

"Like I was hungry and seduced into believing that I was going to be fed at every turn, but then I was just given ice to suck on instead." You managed to formulate a single sentence that perfectly illustrates life during late stage capitalism.

I like this, and I agree, it is wasn’t satisfying enough after the build up, even though I enjoyed it visually

I completely agree with this, I felt the same watching it in theaters. However, I can kind of let it go because it serves as a perfect metaphor of the exact conditions in the movie and the "draw" of the Catton family. The movie is enticing and seductive and beautiful but ultimately unfulfilling and shallow, just like the lifestyle of the family and the whole appeal of Felix and Saltburn.

@kaseygrace1396 Yes, you are totally right and I think that's actually a great point! There is a 'full circle' quality to the movie's design where the story itself and the style in which the story is told are one in the same. They complement each other and work together to make something that is both alluring, but empty. So it works literally and symbolically, which is definitely very cool. The movie actually becomes a lot more enjoyable when you look at it as being more self-aware than it seems. So it fools us in that way too lol.

​@JacquelineDeWitt12 that's such a good point it almost makes me like the movie 😂

It was the Euphoria of movies -- looks great but IS NOT. When finished it, I was so confused. I thought, "Why do I feel like I wasted my time? It was a good movie ... Right?"

"barbie" is number 1

The movie is great and you just wanna be special by criticizing something that many people like 😂

​@@enterthevoidIiand many people dislike

​@@enterthevoidIiIs the concept of other people having different tastes completely new to you? Do you think people are faking when they dislike foods, music or movies that you like? What an insanely main character take lmao

yeah, a denial of his identity, which he becomes a master at. He moves through the book like a shark - the very beginning he's being chased, and kind of HAS to leave the US.

@@MaHa-um5sv “moves through the book like a shark” perfect description!

seriously that guy was ridiculous

His point was that nobody knows where Nottingham is. It's in that nebulous nowhere place sometimes called The East Midlands.

He's also not correct that posh people are only in the south- if you go to the landed gentry level they are all over the country, because they own the land.

Nottingham is in the North

​@aeddiefarmer true but the spread is more south-centric regardless of it overall spanning the whole nation

Yeah this kept sticking out to me. At first I thought it was just intentionally wrong as a framing device for the part of the video where the twist is finally mentioned, but even then it makes little sense, and I now would actually believe that she totally missed that, considering just how much of this movie she seemed to have missed.

A LOT of people I know make this mistake to the point I think it must be just that the viewer is exhausted by the time this is revealed and just don't care lol

@@clockwork_mindthe point she makes still stands

Then she shouldn't be making the video in my opinion@@juliab9709

"She" didn't even fully grasp the movie, lol.

Ooh I like this take.

Isn't this reinforcing the "gay serial killer" then? Victim-blaming the straight man for not being homosexual, and painting the homosexual character as inherently deviant because they don't fit into society? There are a couple negative responses to Brooey's analysis, and they center on Oliver just being a weak, cowardly homosexual who takes apart an otherwise good family. This seems to be a conservative lens of Mr Ripley, that there are parasites amongst us, and they tend to be the sexually deviant people, rather than an analysis of what the experience of viewing yourself as lesser-than does to a person. I'll be interested to watch both films, perhaps in one weekend and compare the two. Perhaps the problem is the same, but framed from above in one, and below in another.

Honestly if they had done it that way, and made it pretty clear that he's actually in denial at the fact that he's stuck with no one now, permanently living a lie, it would have been really impactful. Almost like him getting his comeuppance

​@@Batchall_AcceptedYes! I don't think he was motivated by wealth, he just wanted a companion. I too wish they'd done it this way, emphasising his victory is hollow.

It definitely did and I will for sure check out the talented mr. ripley!

Am I misremembering that film or wasn't that about a gay relationship between a teenager and an adult? Or I'm missing the joke

@@crakhaed I think that's the joke.

Me too, n i aint even seen it

It may have been an inspiration, but is kind of an odd inversion. was way better and played with similar themes in a way less confused way.

and that parasite tackles a lot korean issues like them having to lie and network to get jobs and, imitate what makes life in south korea suck apearently.@@MushiePuppet17

This was a really cool take I had never considered! (And I'm glad I found it under this video that I can barely watch, because it feels so out of touch with the film.)

Great comment

wow you just completely changed my opinion on the ending. Thats why theres so much emphasis on the "I didnt love him, I wasnt in love with him" bit. We learned without a doubt that Oliver is a liar, especially to the viewer, so of course the end monologue implying this was his master plan the whole time is a lie too. I "get it" now I think, lol. Thanks :)

THANK YOU! Totally agree. Very much disagree with most points here in the video. Ripley is for sure a better movie, but most of the points kinda miss here. Amanda The Jedi I think had a great review - that the movie us much more about Oliver being in love and in denial about that really.

Yes thank you! And so far this review ignores that the butler is shown looming at the funeral, and the butler always suspects Oliver. So the ending is not only “the reveal” as this review claims. Your take is more aligned, but instead this review and many commenters are taking Oliver the liar at his word which was the same deadly mistake that others made.

Did you watch this video?

​@@gavriloking5637don't know about Op but I did. But what exactly of their comment is in conflict with the video? It is just a different view one may have on the film: it not being about imitating Ripley but as an absurdist satire of aristocratic Oxbridge snobbery.

Saltburn can be summed up as "Arseholes meet A Monster". Or it could be seen as a House of Cards-style version of Wuthering Heights: a lower class man rises through the ranks of a rich family, and destroys them.

@@planetofthegapeshe’s not lower class at all. Thats part of the plot, he’s basically rich himself and wants to be more than that

Yeah I’m actually kind of shocked that people aren’t picking up on that. I think it’s made almost obvious in two ways: During the middle section of the film, his seduction of venetia and his reeling back from it when Felix expresses disapproval is super clumsy. It’s not at all a calculated chess master move, it’s more like him throwing shit at the wall to see what works, backtracking when he realizes he makes a miss step. Then finally at the end what we think is just him narrating to the audience or to himself his diabolical plot is him talking to the mother before he also clumsily kills her. Like he has to say it out loud in order to convince himself “uh yeah.. I planned this all from the start!! Totally..” In a sense although it is derivative of Talented Mr. Ripley, Theorema, Borgman and dozens of other works that follow the “Mysterious Stranger” archetypal story structure, it does at least attempt to deconstruct it in that sense. I think the media and fans are giving it too much credit, and this video too little.

What was that video called, if you remember?

> a lot of it was well-made, but ultimately just cynical art made for the consumption of a white audience it's basically movies for white "anti-racist" people to masturbate to themselves over how they're not racist, unlike those other racist "anti-racist" people. same with Saltburn. no thoughts, no theme. just a movie for middle class people to masturbate to how they're so against the rich, while doing absolutely nothing

Blacksploitation 2: Electric Boogaloo!

What you're saying makes sense but I'm having a hard time coming up with any examples of the top off my head. What movies are doing this?

The Talented Mr Ripley was directed by an Englishman, so not sure that holds up!

She has but downplayed the comparisons.

​@@jziffi Patricia Highsmith is American

@@Abcdefg-tf7cu Of course, it's an American novel and film. But I'm not sure the idea that an English director would feel conflicted about crediting an American film when the director of that American film was also English holds up. To the degree that she may be playing down comparisons with TTMR it's probably because she doesn't want people to think she's ripping it off.

Yeah, American cinema is so globally dominant it doesn't make any sense to sweep some of it under the rug just because of national pride. It's much more likely she wants to minimise the chances of viewers making this connection for fear of getting dismissed as derivative.

You say this as if it was a good thing. "I think people were expecting this movie to be a criticism of nazis but because the director is a nazi is actually a criticism of jews so everything is fine." Is a reactionary movie for the Brexit era that just tells us to fear the poor. If you want a film like what you are describing just watch The King of Comedy or Nightcrawler.

In any case if you dont want a movie about class then dont put tons of references in the movie about money. Funny Games is a good example of a movie that is focused on rich people but because the director didnt want to talk about class in that particular movie he left all the references to class out.

⁠@@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801thats a whole new sentence, pretty lazy response

@@dalilaescayola9826 The irony of "pretty lazy response" being a pretty lazy response.

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801this isn’t the same at all. First, this kind of statement is a straw man. The upper class are not nazis and the upper middle class are not Jewish people. It’s a terrible, ugly analogy to make in any regard. A similar more accurate analogy would be “I think people were expecting this movie to criticize nazis, but because the director is a nazi, it’s actually a criticism of the klu klux klan.” But in either analogy, it’s sort of a straw man that exists to shut down the other argument before you care to listen.

They're bad, but the film never actually villainess them for it. It's not just the characters playing it off as if it doesn't matter, the film plays it off as if it doesn't matter. Its a film by a rich posh person where the rich posh people are bad, but not as bad as tbe creepy middle class person looking to take all their money from them

agreed

@@likeawestern335 I think you've completely missed the point of the movie which I initially did as the majority of the audience were coerced into thinking this was a movie about class when it isn't and it's very hard to see that as a result of the Oxford aesthetic we are conditioned to at the start. It is a movie about love and obsession and the endless desire for more and more, and highlights the fact that Ollie's love for Felix wasn't just at the surface level of gay love but rather a love for everything he stood for. The failure of the movie for me was due to the fact that the wrong aesthetic was chosen to convey the ultimate message, and it took me a while to actually understand what the message of the movie is and I think the movie itself gets confused with this narrative too. there are no good characters or ones to root for, and it becomes very apparent throughout the subliminals of the movie that the rich are absolutely horrible for no reason, despite the fact you somehow fail to recognise this?

@@all-caps3927 no, death of the author. Whatever interpretation your deride from the money is true and the money has many elements of class warfare in it which it fails to capitalise on. Therefore saying it fails in doing so is completely valid.

@@all-caps3927 also, that's just your interpretation of the movie you're trying to pass off as fact. Yes the movie has elements of obsession but there's no love. No one in that movie loves anyone. If you've gone into that movie thinking somehow Oliver loves Felix I feel you've accredited a sympathetic element to his character that simply isn't there. Hell, even the family he visits don't love eachother. Oliver is a middle class parasite who worms his way into this family and makes himself irreplaceable in a toxic relationship and kills off any anyone who gets in his way. He's a cancer killing the rich, however the film doesn't know how to frame it properly or even know what it wants to say itself so it also paints Oliver as the villain more so than the rich elite giving this sort of boogeyman vibe from Oliver. Be careful rich people, the middle classes want to steal your fortunes. If the movie were to end at the death of Oliver, the death of the symbolic character the love and obsession is supposedly built around then maybe I'd believe your interpretation, but there's a further 45 minutes after that devoid of any love, only obsession for Oliver to elevate his status and take their fortune ( his obsession clearly set in the class element there). Hell, that last 45 minutes actively say "hey audience, in case you couldn't tell Oliver never loved or cared for Felix, he just wanted the money". And even if your interpretation was true, would the fact most people didn't get that and you actively didn't get it on first viewing either not show an incompetence from the film makers POV? Would it not show an inability of the director to get their point across?

OMGGGGGG do you have a PhD in PsychoAnalysis?!!!!! Can you help me?!

@@samryb 🙄