Full podcast episode: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Qyrjgf-_Vdk.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: ru-vid.com Guest bio: Sam Harris is an author, podcaster, and philosopher.
"TDS" is rarely used as a counter argument. Conservatives have spent almost a decade attempting to convince liberals that Reality exists. After years of dealing with this absurdity, "TDS" was invented as a shorthand to describe a person who has an illogical, delusional, or unfounded opinion of Trump. It's impossible to discuss the issues with someone who won't acknowledge fundamental reality.
I agree in most cases, but TDS is definitely real, some people just cant keep their emotions in check and are just obsessed with straw manning trump. I'm no trumpie but MSNBC has TDS running rampant among their employees, just like how newsmax has trump D riding syndrome.
It's the classic "we can't argue your merits so we will attack your proxy aspects as a being". So classic of anyone on the Trump coolaid. Trump has not once in his life actually argued politics and betterment of the country. All he knows is how to attack another person and turn the stage into some mock version of a Slim Shady rap battle in front of room temp IQ crowds who will follow spectacle and confidence over factuality and reason.
You want facts? Sam Harris actually argued that he had no problem keeping information about the Hunter Biden laptop completely hidden from the American voter because it would hurt Biden, and according to Harris he would be saving democracy in doing that. OMG, you want to talk about morbid Narcissism? It's Sam Harris.
In the movie “Excalibur” from around 1980, King Arthur asks Merlin which principle is the most important. The answer: The truth. Humans better figure that out. The Joker is not a model for any system to survive.
@@AnthonyLeamanwe don't live in a movie but we can teach and learn from some movies...movies made by people who live in reality and some movie are a reflection of reality
And all the men and women merely players; They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts, His acts being seven ages. William Shakespear
Respect to Sam for being one of the few Podcasters that I follow who had honest opinions on Trump and didn’t hold back for the sake of keeping an audience. I still like a lot of these guys that I’ve listen to for years, but many of them failed this test to me. Way too light handed.
Totally agree. I found David Feldman recently and he's comforting to me and shares your characteristics. However I'm in hospice and finally got to the stage where i need a big dose of humor with the truth. I like Sam and have learned a lot but sometimes -- more & more lately -- i also need comfort and laughs with the heavy topics like these. Sam is one of the most intelligent guys Ive come across & esp i appreciate his views on religion and atheism. 😊
Anyone who supported trump should get respect for not holding back and telling people they support him with the great chance they will get alienated from their family and friends.
@@AndrewQuiroz24 Lmao not really. I bet you don't think the same for people who supported Obama or Biden when their family and friends are conservative Republicans in some rural area. It all depends on where you're from or your background and you can still get some backlash from either side. Trump supporters aren't victims lol gtfo with that.
@@rob97dani dude if you say that you support trump as a minority everyone calls you white. What are you talking about? White elitists enable this narrative through colleges for blacks and browns to overwhelmly think a certain way and when we deviate we go against the tribalistic nature of our group. It's BS. I will GLADLY explain to you in person how white liberal elites are imposing these TOXIC messages on our youth.
Lex, in his blind struggle to find sympathy for even the most clear cut corrupt and morally bankrupt actors, comes across as someone with a mind so open his brain fell out.
@@AsifKhan-hf9zynot exactly. People don’t say “have an open brain”. Mind is the result or synthesis of the brains biology. Brain is the physical thing. At least that’s how Id think of it. It’s lose and fuzzy though because anything that is experienced as “the mind” is happening inside the brain so how are to concepts separated..
In the opener Lex Fridman says, "...even if the election was fairly executed." I really felt at that point, there was no reason to listen to this any further. Respect for Sam Harris - I think he is a solid analyst and a keeper of the facts.
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Exactly right, he starts by denying a fact that has been corroborated by over 60 court cases, tens of audits, independent reviewers, all carried and paid by the loosing party. So sad to see people unable or unwilling to accept reality just to please a man with so many flaws.
Trump didn’t start any new wars the first president in 50 years America to do that. Sorry. Reality. These people argue Trump was incompetent they mean he was incompetent at funding the money laundering death machine the military industrial complex that Democrats like Biden are extremely competent in doing. Missing moral compass! Lolz 😂 What a clown act these two are. America was at its best. All of these two in the video and your crying about nothing is you at your worst.
Sam is the same person who advocated ending democracy so the elites can pick our leaders in secret. Not only that he's too biased to see that Trump wasn't dangerous compared to other presidents. For example: Trump is the first president since Carter who refused to drag America into a new war. Trump also did what Obama said he would do but never did, Trump set in motion America's withdrawal from Afghanistan. Just for comparison, Bush Jr dragged America into war with 2 countries and Obama expanded it to 7 countries. Millions died. Trump also refused to get involved in Russia and Ukraine, and Russia is threatening nuclear war if America gets involved any further, Biden doesn't care.
The truth lies somewhere in the middle, Trump isn't a deranged maniacal goofball demon as Harris makes him out to be. Lex is just pushing back on that and even confronted him about TDS, which Sam very clearly has developed a severe case of.
Companies under Trump went into bankruptcy 5 times. How many lives did that alone wreck? In most Western Countries a guy like that wouldn't be allowed to do business anymore.
The beauty of America is that you can fail, pick yourself back up and try again. Many successful businesses were made by people who failed multiple times. You would like these middle Eastern countries where they practice what you suggest. If you fail, you are not allowed to do business again and can even go to jail due to debts until such debts are repaid.
You do recognize that most bankruptcies are simply reorganizations. Bankruptcies lawyers who specialize in this field get together to try to work out new terms. Whenever such things are publicized they always mention chapter 7, chapter 13 or whatever. I'm not sure which is which but only one represents a total ending of the business.
Yes incredulous lol. I guess the one thing that absolutely blows me out of the water shock is that a very sizable number of Americans could ever in a million years vote for this guy for anything much less President! I think djt has made me aware of things I would never be aware of is that we have people that would in a zillion years think this guy should be the President of the most powerful country in the entire history of the known world and have his reprobate (being kind) fingers on the nuclear button!!! Jeez Louise I need my brain rewired for real!!
@@jlump228 yeah, it is hard to say honestly, but that he seems to have the 'other sides' point down so clear, makes it seem like its his perspective, plus he kept going on about how he always respected Sam for his level headedness but that he was not being level headed about Trump.
@@EmmettHenderson-hf1zm the most incredulous part is that he got 10 million MORE votes in 2020. 10 million people in this country couldn't stand to pull the lever for him in 2016, but the following 4 years of nightmare won them over. What in the actual hell.
That question Sam asked at the end there (even though it was about the Middle East) is really at the heart of the crises facing America now. What do we do when up to half of the populace is so misinformed and deranged and ideologically driven that they fundamentally have a different culture and vision of what America is and stands for? Since we do rely on norms to hold the nation together what happens when the norms disintegrate? What happens when democracy becomes the impediment to the "power at all costs" mentality on the right? Are civil war and secession inevitable? Yeah Trumps plan was never to eliminate the establishment, the military industrial complex, or the deep state. It was to co-opt them and bend them utterly to his will to do the bidding of his brand of elitism. Very much like what Putin has done in Russia.
"What do we do when up to half of the populace is so misinformed and deranged and ideologically..." -- Why don't you get out of your bubble and take a look at your half of the population and admit to their derangement? The current president is a pathological liar and people like you show your ignorance with the comment you made.
I think our political system of checks and balances could take care of trump and his ilk. If it doesn't then we will need to work on our constitution in order keep fascists from toppling our countries government. And we should not see major legislation change every four years because one party stacks the supreme court.
Sorry but having any plan other than "I get to be the center of attention" is giving him far too much credit. Trump has indeed never in his life strung together 3 consecutive sentences on the same topic or without invoking himself in a non sequitur..
not at any stage during this part or any part of the podcast did he recognise the potential for his own biases or blind spots on every issue he has touched over the last 5 years (btw he has been wrong on numerous stances and that fact makes this all the more insane. his self admiration is 'trumped' only by donald himself)
Take it from someone who was a Sam Harris fanatic for 9 years and who never liked Trump pre 2016…..Sam has a massive blindspot regarding his assessment of Trump and Trump supporters and Trump defenders. He straw man’s the shit out of all of it. You can listen to the podcast he did in 2015 were the cracks in his brain slowly formed. I think it was with Paul Bloom but i may he wrong.
@@camcunningham9443 Not really. He literallly admitted that government is usually corrupt and that’s why people voted for trump because they wanted someone that wasn’t a career politician. That’s literally a fact. But we all know trump is a narcissist whether your e a fan of him or not. Sam’s view of trump is the fairest I’ve seen so far from someone that isn’t on his side lmao.
They don’t listen at all. They simply can’t get past the fact that someone doesn’t like their hero, Trump. It’s a shame. Same repetitive, boring strawman arguments and ad hominems in every comment section.
Lex, you seem like a thoughtful person etc.. What are you doing here, exactly? Do you really need someone to tell you how dangerously insane trump is. Let alone Sam. WTF?
Been that way forever. I stopped listening mid way through 2016 because I couldn't stand the constant fawning over Trump. Otherwise, been a fan of Lex, but can't square falling for such an obvious danger to this country.
You probably need to take a step back and think about how if half the country likes Trump, it's very important that they hear conversations like this one, especially since it's a much richer point of view than the one-sided garbage people spew in the media.
@@cosmocalisse "Half the country" is not accurate at all. Only half of the Americans who are eligible to vote, vote. Of that half of the population, less than half voted for trump. He never won the popular vote. So, if every voting republican was 100% in love with trump, it would only be about 25% of the population. I would argue that half of the republican voters are not happy with trump and would rather have someone else conducting the same policies. That would mean about 12% of the country "likes" trump. Certainly not half. And that doesn't include people who are either ineligible to vote or too young to vote, only the eligible voting population. So technically, it would be
I was a former Trump voter and can admit I got duped by mountains of propaganda. The thing is most of his voters are good people but the propaganda machine is too strong.
No, sorry, they are not good people. If they aren't racists, they are racist tolerant. If they aren't liars, they are liar tolerant. If they aren't cheaters, they are cheater tolerant. If they aren't corrupt, they are corruption tolerant. If they are not traitors, they are traitor tolerant. Lots of MAGAs like him just because he's nasty. Not good..
Good in what way? Good providers, mothers, fathers, Christians, citizens, patriots? Trump appealed to the parts of the tribal, reptilian brain that fears and hates the success of the others. As if other's gains were proportional to your losses (or perceived losses). I'm heartened by your self awareness but see no convincing evidence that the majority of true believers share your epiphany. Many of my family members fell for the outsider myth and now are reticent to speak about him at all. Now it's Biden bashing, trying to equate, with little success, the failures of the current administration with the unmitigated disasters of the previous. I don't believe the current political debate is an education opportunity for Republicans in general, I tell Trump apologists to vote their conscience and I will do the same.
7 minutes in and all of this seems reasonable from both perspectives. Trump is definitely missing moral and psychological tools. I’ll assume based on the comments that I’m the only person who agrees with that assessment. Interesting.
It's just like saying the sky is blue dude. It's just sad to see how susceptible so many Americans were to this obvious and pathetically insecure con man. Sad! The movie Ideocracy was soooooo prophetic.
@scoobihu1090 okay, but they actually like him. They’re not saying he’s awful and that he’s going to destroy everything. They think he’s doing a wonderful job making america great. And plus it’s not “broken beyond repair” you can literally vote someone in you actually agree with rather than someone you simply think will destroy it all. Like if that’s what you think that’s just an objectively bad strategy.
Freedom and liberty are a form of empathy. The right already donates far more to charity volintarily. While the left lives to use the goverments monopy on force to express their "empathy" and "aultism" .
I guess his questions lead to Sam giving precise answers to topis the public migh want aswered but they're some of the lamest Ive ever heard come out of Lex's mouth.
Lex is just not good at talking politics and he doesn’t have a good grasp of American history. He should stick to science focused interviews. Saying trump would “shake up the elitist system” is laughable. What exactly about trump is not elitist? His daddy gave him millions of dollars, bought his way into an Ivy League school, never had a real job, was a draft dodger because daddy paid for a medical excuse. I will never comprehend why so many people think this guy is some kind of champion of the working class.
He said years ago he could shoot somebody in the middle of the street and not lose his supporters. Fox came right out and admitted to helping trump fool them with stolen election lies.....and yet, they are ready for more. Sam is right to be concerned. Something is very wrong in the USA.
I believe Lex is good hearted, but his foundational experience has been with the Russian government, which skews his evaluation of the American system. He automatically assumes there are parallels which may or may not exist.
I know when MAGA people believe he will serve on their behave just because he eats KFC( on his private plane). How can people so blind and being fooled by a well know con man openly grifting them?
While I do think there were certainly large groups of people that did not see through Trump's con, what is far more disturbing to me is how many millions of people know exactly who he is and support him anyway, because either 1) They genuinely like having someone like that in power, or 2) They are willing to put someone like that in power, despite any other reservations they may have, because he bribed them on certain issues (usually abortion).
@@OneEyedJacker What "values"? Be specific. These are now facts: He mocks the handicap, is repulsed by wounded soldiers, decries gold star families, slept w/ a porn star while his wife was pregnant w/ his son, he paid for that sex, he was found, by a jury, to have raped a woman and caused her harm, he has fraudulently misrepresented documents to benefit himself over decades, he paid someone to take his SAT exams, he sues people he disagrees with to stifle them because he's richer, and he lies on a regular basis. Against the backdrop of who he IS, what he "values" be specific and state what values they share?
Private equity firms are bankrupting America. Trump dumped us out of the TPP at the behest of Russia (China's best neighbor) and ripped $4 billion in one day from farmers who spent years building those relationships, the wealthy are trying to shut down public education and eliminate Social Security, and fifty other major unreported problems and what are we having to worry about? Whether the greatest con man in the history of the galaxy will ever spend one night in jail. Fashionably "woke" or ultra-conservative, it's one giant sheetshow to keep us all distracted from trying to change anything, at least in any significant manner. My advice? Take a deep breath, secure your home, and don't make any major purchases until sanity is restored. Of course, that means you'll probably be wearing the same clothes and driving the same car for the next twenty years, but the only way out of the game is to choose not to play it, or at least play it as little as possible to the point it no longer stays profitable. Find out who your friends are, the good ones, and keep them close, and contrary to TV, keep your enemies as far out of town as possible. The law of the land is the rich get richer and the house always wins - as long as we keep playing the game. Vote and support minimum wage for politicians, make lobbying illegal, and allow anyone able to secure enough signatures to freely use the PUBLIC COMMONS AIRWAVES for a reasonable amount of political advertising so that it doesn't take so much money and political pandering to get elected.
Or they are awake and realize there was going to be no way to vote America out of tyranny in the future (now). The harm done by media focus on the 'deplorables' voting for trump and their dehumanization instead of on the experiment that failed hard enough to enable him, will be studied for a century. First president not to start a new war since Carter? hmmm
@@roddyboethius1722 Trump has used up any empathy or goodwill that was allotted to him. He’s an objectively bad man. It’s been a legit year since I watched Friedman, I’m sick of his poor judgement and naivety.
I guess Lex knows his audience, despite protestations about avoiding any feedback whatsoever. At least now we know he's a dishonest broker. The idea he'd ever push back on purely rightwing culture war nonsense to the same extent he simps for Trump here is absolutely unthinkable. Not much of a fan of Sam Harris but he's certainly constructed good arguments here, whether you agree with them or not.
thank you, exactly Apotheosis of this simping is on the pod with Jeremy Suri, I think the title of the video is "jan 6 was a big deal". I was astounded at claims that Lex was making. This wasn't just "playing devils advocate" it's pure audience capture.
Exactly right. Unfortunately Lex got caught up in the Joe Rogan bro circlejerk. It's funny because lex and his accomplices complain about the mainstream media when they show bias for one side, and then proceed to repeat the exact same behavior. With all the bragging they do about how big Joe Rogan s audience is compared to CNN that they'd figure it out; they ARE the mainstream media now. The contrarianism and conspiracy theories are just the sugar that makes the medicine go down.
Had no real idea *who* Sam Harris was before this (and I guess I still don't), only that I knew he was quite divisive online. He's very articulate and quite logical in this conversation at least, and it's a bit saddening to see what portion of Lex's audience disliked this video given how measured the whole conversation was. I don't think pretty much anything he's saying is wrong, in a factual sense, and I guess it just leaves me a bit bummed that such a large percentage of this audience is upset about this.
The issue with the people who have supported Trump is that he is absolutely the wrong answer to many of the right questions they're wanting answers to....but many of his supporters are so desperate to get answers to those questions that there's nothing they won't tolerate, including existential risks to the breakdown of rule of law and basic democratic procedure, to get any answer to their questions. Additionally, there is a highly non-zero number of his supporters who are actually not equipped to assess the right answers to those questions and even less equipped to assess their own abilities or lack thereof to assess those answers.
Hum, you might answer some of my questions. I often wonder why those people voted against their own well-being as Trump’s and GOP’s policies are totally opposite of what will benefit those voters. I am just a curious and concerned Canadian.
@@freedomlife3623 That's been a puzzler in the US for the entire history of the country. Our own Civil War is a perfect embodiment of your question...one can hardly fathom what was going on in the mind of the typical VOLUNTEER infantryman in the southern army....poor, probably just a generation or two in his own family removed from indentured servitude, extremely unlikely to have owned slaves and in fact for the few agricultural products that he was able to harvest beyond his own subsistence needs actually competed against the products produced by the large plantations which were run by slave labor...and yet, the wealthy elites in the south were able to convince these poor, but easily agitated fools that the fight to protect slavery was their fight, getting hundreds of thousands of their poor, white neighbors to eagerly sign up to become cannon fodder, and sending tens of thousands of them to their deaths, to protect the lifestyle of the wealthy southern slaveowners. It's truly a puzzle but you see a lot of the same dynamics in today's GOP, with the use of moral panics and outrage motivating so many undereducated and ill-informed Americans to essentially cut taxes and regulation for the benefit of the most well off Americans. Truly, a puzzler.
@Freedom Life I hope you don't mind my interjection, but as humans have a tendency towards selfishness, a degree of which is associated with our base instincts for survival, I truly believe that politics can be boiled to its essence, which can best be described with the phrase "follow the money." In order for the elite to maintain (i.e., increase) their wealth and power, the propaganziation of the masses is essential. The objective is to keep them fighting amongst themselves, and it is largely accomplished via state sponsored media. Fox News and the MAGA movement are good examples. Hitler did the same with the German people in the 1930s - millions of people were convinced that he was doing right by them. That is largely where the Trump and Hitler comparisons end because, as Sam Harris stated, Trump has no ideology beyond serving the ego. Honestly, I believe Trump was/is probably a greater threat than Hitler when you consider his climate policies and access to nuclear weapons, if not his complete incompetence and ignorance. Still, their accomplishments were dependent on convincing millions of people to support policies that were detrimental to their self-interests. It is proof positive that anyone can be propagandized if they are repeatedly lied to long enough. These people are angry after experiencing 40+ years of increasing inequality and an unprecedented distribution of wealth from the working class to the elite. They want someone to blame, but they are barking up the wrong tree, so to speak, as the real enemy are the wealthy and powerful. Until they figure this out and direct their ire upward, nothing will change for the better. That is the $500 billion question: how do we effectively shield people from the constant barrage of misinformation that is perpetuated by the elite? However, I disagree with Lex and Sam about one thing - I think Trump has revealed just how strong our institutions actually are. Yes, there are definitely weaknesses that could be exploited by someone who has more wherwithal than Trump, but in the end, our democratic institutions withstood a coordinated assault by the most powerful network of people on the planet who exhausted all attempts to dismantle it. The same can be said regarding Hitler and the Nazis. In the end, humans tend to follow their better angels.
@@nlabanokgood points...but remember those weren't highly educated men and they were told the north wanted to destroy them..I doubt they signed up to defend slavery because in today's dollars a single slave would cost a quarter million bucks...only the richest could buy slaves
Worship of Trump , has clearly become a cult, after seeing the people clamoring to put his half eaten pizza in their mouth, I mean , it's clearly a cult .
@@thevaccinator666trump university for example? Maybe the fact he overvalues his assets when trying to obtain loans and then undervalues them for the purposes of paying less taxes? Trying to get fake elector slates to be counted in Georgia and 7 other states instead of the legitimate ones for biden? I could go on
@@thevaccinator666I hate to be an asshole or to seem like I’m dodging the question but how can you not perceive him as a conman? It drips off of him. It is so obvious that it always startles me when someone doesn’t see it. That sounds pretentious and unhelpful I’m sure but that’s my authentic reaction. The way he speaks is one thing to consider. He doesn’t speak like an intelligent, well-read, well-informed, competent person. He speaks like someone who is trying to create a vibe of aggrandizement and adoration around himself. He obsesses over crowd sizes. He makes up demeaning nicknames for his political opponents like a playground bully would. He says bizarre and meaningless things like “It’s amazing. It’s going to be amazing. It’s going to be very, very amazing” and “Nobody has done more for women (or insert any group here) than me” and “Everyone says I’m the best. They say to me ‘Trump you’re the best’”. This is all gibberish and a massive red flag that the person saying it is trying to con you and create a false air of competence about themselves. This is how someone speaks who has no substance whatsoever and therefore must bluster and boast their way to success. Not to mention Trump is a liar of mythological proportions who will even lie when it’s completely pointless and does nothing to help him and in fact just contradicts what he just said 5 minutes ago. He’s also a convicted felon and was trailing dozens upon dozens of lawsuits before he ever even ran for President.
I think it's time we have the conversation that while 75 million people voted for Trump that isn't to say they all are still willing to support him in 24 it's maybe half that number. I agree that voters are disenfranchised with the division in government. This is what happens when to stop funding in a meaningful way, education, health care, agriculture. We should be outraged that any party would withhold these things. All great society's fail at this point and we are no different! We are failing because we're not educated and therefore can't lead, we are not healthy therfor we have trouble attending school or work. Without fundamentals we will fail. This is not a government only problem it is a religion problem it is a people problem and it is exposing the structure that has always held Democracy in check! And so if you eat poorly and are poorly uneducated and follow only one voice on issues because you are cut off from other people who could be another voice or choice. We have sat back and allowed redistricting to occure it's only function is to keep people from voting, or people of colour are continually being disenfranchised. We have allowed racism a seat at the table. And now we don't want to do the work to fix it, Trump was inevitable it was easy for voters to blame then accept. Trump isn't the problem he's the messenger, if we don't want to work at our republic no problem tireny awaits!! Either way it's up to us!
At the Hunter laptop point of the interview, there is a point to be made about how our society views private life and public life. Much like the Clintons, the Bidens have been in politics for 50+ years, and you don't succeed in that culture without undergoing extreme scrutiny. The smallest failing becomes frontpage fodder. As a private citizen, however, you can avoid all that and simply burnish a public image without fear of your personal life being exposed by anyone but the Paparazzi. This is why most celebrities avoid politics. Trump worked tirelessly for decades burnishing just such a superficial image from the safety of private life. The instant he threw his hat in the ring, that changed for him. His true character and his past would inevitably catch up with him. Like Icarus, he flew higher and higher, until he flew too close to the sun. The problem of corruption in politics isn't something that you can nail down on a single person, because it's deeply cultural and the media only shows the surface.
Very sound analysis. That's why most Hollywood actors and pro athletes keep their mouths shut. They could lose everything they have. And you make a great point that Trump was able to fly under the radar of scrutiny for decades because people thought he was just a clown, like people initially thought of Hitler.
that would be terrible business, he would alienate trump supporters if he didnt say the election was stolen. He would become an agent of the deep state. Doesnt matter how much he defends trump every other time, it only takes one slip up and your corrupt, just ask Mike Pence.
Probably not. Him being a computer scientist, and the hoops of absolutely ignorant shit he'd have to pretend to not know would probably be to obvious for his thickly veiled dishonesty.
To understand Trump's followers investigate Theordore Adorno's The Authoritarian Personality. Adorno was a Herman Jew and part of the Frankfurt school. He wisely got out of Hermany and emigrated to the US. After the war, American Jewish groups asked him to explain the Holocaust from a social psychology perspective. The thinking was to try and understand if another Holocaust could happen in the US. Adorno came up with the Authoritarian Follower psychological profile. This is the type of person that would follow a Hitler type and be hostile to their leaders enemies. John Dean in his book Conservatives Without Conscience says that the GOP paid $billions to think tanks after the beating they took after Nixon and Vietnam. The advice they got was to ad all of the authoritarian followers into the GOP. This is about 25 percent of the population. Evangelicals are authoritarian followers too. The GOP courted them by promising to overturn Roe. Now that Roe has been overturned the GOP is going after LGBTQI to jeep evangelicals riles up. The GOP has a solid base of authoritarian followers but their overall numbers are declining. Look at MAGA as the last gasp for the GOP. It is either Trump and fascism or the party has nowhere left to go.
Cheerleading trump from people who know they shouldn’t be cheerleading for trump: That would be the Republicans in the U.S. Congress. All of them, AND their staff members.
How refreshingly humble: “There are certain things that I don’t talk about on my podcast because I think I’m the wrong person to talk about it.” I really wish people like Joe Rogan would take that approach. We live in the era of “hey, I’m just asking questions and putting stuff out there and what do the experts know anyway?” Perhaps we should not talk publicly about things we don’t know much about?
Well he failed the second time too he just took a lot of people down with him. But I get your point. He succeeded in installing fascism in a previously fairly liberal democracy. This is where America is headed...no matter who they get to do it.
@@beckydavis1820I try to be as open minded as possible, but open-mindedness is no excuse to fail to make necessary moral judgements. I used to think Trump was a big clown. I will even agree that the mainstream media was unfair to him in certain ways. But his speech has grown even more unhinged and Angry recently. I really believe that Trump winning will be the end of this country.
Very, powerfull and insightful. From Sam's lips to America's ears. Please continue to believe in our country. We are all still trying to figure this out. "Together is better."
You don’t just get to trash millions of people and then say “together is better”. You lost us and now you are on your own. To build, to save lives and most importantly to fight wars. We will no longer give our lives and damage our families to provide you with the space and freedom to shit atop our heads. Good luck and try doing some pushups. You’ll need some upper body strength.
Is it, though? Is it really? I have lost so much respect for these people. I feel like they can't be trusted to make good decisions or consider the good of the many and I really don't feel confident that they can hold on to their integrity or consider the best interest of others going forward
I can’t believe I only just discovered Sam Harris a week ago. almost everything I’ve heard from him so far is him verbalizing exactly how I feel. Thank you sir!
Sam Harris is thoughtful and well spoken. I share his views but he expresses his views way better than I could. Thanks for sharing. I will seek out more conversations with Sam Harris and look up his podcasts.
Lex honestly I usually watch both(right and left) sides to a conversation you have but you seem to hit back harder to left leaning guests. It’s no secret who your friends are just ask if you could lean in on the other guests just as much. You seem to talk down to people who don’t lean right
Trump is a reality bender. In his presence, he bends reality and people who had no intention of doing things wind up agreeing to do them. Having dealt with reality benders in the past, I made it a point to know absolutely what I was going in for and to stick to it until I got it. I would get out their presence as soon as I could.
Is calling a virus by its region of origin bending reality? The current administration supports gender identity. Perhaps that’s considered scientific bending.
Sam Harris seems to be describing the societies of Norway, Sweden and Denmark, where the worlds happiest people reside. These social democracy countries and others like them such as New Zealand and Australia are an anathema to the good people of the US
Don’t forget your neighbor up North. We are so relived that America got rid of Trump here in Canada. But sad how much damage he had caused to your country.
the problem with america is that its a land of immigrants which has no real social safety net immigrants come in work hard - work without a safety net - become rich and financially secure the locals and grand children of immigrants who don't work as hard, lose out and bemoan their lowly status thereof they look at hard-working risk-taking immigrants and resent the success of the later hard-working risk-taking locals don't complain, they have built in advantages over their immigrant equivalents
I absolutely blame the American people for Trump. Who elected him? Who else should we have animosity for? Unfortunately, we have a system where the presidential candidate with the most votes loses.
Lex says at one point that Trump is joking. Lex is not a stupid man, but I think his brain has been broken by Trump, not Sam's. How could you possibly think he's joking about the election being stolen. What has Lex talked himself into and why? Has he become part of the problem?
@@strategery101 My money is on Sam being much smarter than you. With BA Stanford and PhD UCLA, I'm more inclined to agree with his reasoning, and analysis, than yours. In fact I'd go as far to say, that he obviously has empathy, whereas you appear to have zero moral compass. You want pathetic, look in the mirror!
@@flipgsp unfortunately, what Sam said was more like “if hunter Biden (not the presidential candidate joe Biden) committed unspeakable crimes, that does not make Joe Biden (not his son, just a lame old politician) less viable than Trump (a man that has been a known malevolent narcissist and incompetent jerk for 3 decades).” Sam was abundantly clear and sober about Trump’s qualities and negative influence to the extent that he even described the pathological support for trump that you demonstrate and predictably could not possibly reflect on before getting pathetically defensive.
Glad you brought up the importance of having experts in high positions, I don’t think nominating people to high government positions because of their color, sexual orientation or politics is the way to get the best people in those positions
What worries me, is the people who know yet play along with the con. The republican party, Mitchell McConnell, Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, etc... who are not stupid, gullible people stood by and allowed trump to happen.
LOL this coming from the party of George Floyd and the politicians who not only had nothing to say about the BS but actively encouraged it. Don't forget Pelosi in her dumb Kunta Kinte scarf and Kamala Harris arranging bail funds for rioters.
He's not naive, he has an audience and he knows that certain narrative is expected from him. If he veers off numbers will drop (classic case of audience capture). If anything he's being manipulative. Just watch a clip from pod with prof Suri, i think the caption is "jan 6 was a big deal" I think you'll be astounded at claims that Lex is making.
Lex will probably always be naive, but I appreciate that he listens to alternative ideas. Whatever destruction any other president in history could cause, Trump could trump them 10 fold... and he'd probably see that as him being better than them.
Thank you Sam!!!! I have a whole new admiration for you. Stunning and depressing to hear Lex go on and on minimizing what has been so shockingly destructive - and he refers to Jan. 6 as just some drama???? Yikes! LOVE the spot on ‘Being There’ reference!! 😂😂🤣
'Trump Derangement Syndrome' was trivialised by Lex who seemed to imply that Sam has exaggerated the seriousness of the danger trump represents. I'm 100% in agreement with Sam. American democracy narrowly dodged a bullet in 2020. You can be sure the smart people enabling trump have cynically calculated better tactics for next time!!!!!!
The process is long and ongoing. Gerrymander states to gain absolute control. Send billions to the Federalist society to gain control of the supreme court. Install MAGA election denying Secretaries of State to purge voter roles. Suppress every form of voting that favors Democrats. "Next Time" is now.
Trump is saying his next term will be on steroids...no more mr.nice guy...gonna purge every government agency like Putin did...only a fools fool would dare vote for him now
Some of the people in the capitol on jan 6 were NOT goverment agents. The guy with the horns and a chubbacka bikini waa ARMED. He could have taken an eye out with those horns and that would have lead to the overthrow of our goverment.
Sam Harris is exceptionally good at articulating his perspective. If you ask him if he truly believes everything he says about his position, he'll always say yes and say it in the best way he can to make you believe in what he says. However, when a person like Sam says he "belives", that only means that he doesn't "know."
Yep, the reaction to January 6th was the red line for me, that was the time to get off the train. Previously I saw Trump as a Berlusconi kind of figure, but now see him more as Mussolini. Trump has a genius for manipulation and persuasion, unfortunately.
The time when the US went: "Who do we have who has been a famous joke for ever, who is really old and demented now, who we could appoint to the highest office?"
"He's more comedian" Why do people say things like this about Trump? I've see Sam say it as well. Donald Trump has almost as much empathy for others as he does sense of humor. And is level of empathy is he'd set you on fire if he thought it would keep him warm for 7 seconds. His idea of a joke is a stupid nickname that most 13 yr olds would have outgrown already. He wouldn't know wit if it gouged out his eyes and copulated with his skull.
I disagree. I think Trump's a fraud, but I find him highly entertaining, although to be fair, I'm not an American, so maybe that's why I find him entertaining and funny. If I were an American or living in the US, maybe I would be a bit more scared than anything.
When I watch the current debates, I feel like the debate format lends itself to people like Trump, or recently Vivek somewhat. Trump also had a media experience from Talk Shows, Wrestlemania ( seriously ), and The Apprentice. He was a weird creature of the media that nobody in the process could understand or worse, he seemed to get boosts from his media or political criticism. I wish Trump could somehow have to debate someone like Howard Stern or Jon Stewart who I think oddly have the comedic skills to skewer someone like Trump.
"Trump compromises the integrity of anyone that comes into his orbit" -Sam Harris This was my personal favorite quote of this podcast. I envy and admire Sam's articulation greatly.
One question: why is Trump there? Why does someone with the moral shortcomings as Trump get a chance at being President? We are at risk discussing Trump, but not the root cause.
