Sam Smith: Michael Jordan lied about lots of things in the documentary 

@@nonamewillbegiven Wow, great argument. Seems like you've really thought through this.

Agreed! Jerry might've been an a**hole but he knew who to get to build a team around Michael. What gets me is the disrespect Jerry took from Mike & Scottie, Right in his face!!

Krause and Reinsdorf wanted all of the credit! The players resented this, especially Jordan. Remember, Krause wasn't around when Jordan was drafted. He didn't chose Pippen either. That was the Asst. GM that discovered him. It was MJ and Pippen that went to the FO and demanded Rodman.

@@buzzerbeater3350 no. That's not how it goes. Doesn't matter who "discovered" him. That's what scouts are for. Krause negotiated the trade with Seattle to get Pippen, then signed him. MJ and Pippen didn't demand Rodman, in fact Jordan's response when asked about acquiring Rodman was, "If it helps us win". Pippen was completely against getting Rodman.

@@PoliticusRex632 If he wasn't discovered, there wouldn't be a player to sign. The problem with Krause was he wanted ALL the credit! Pippen was against Rodman AT FIRST! Because Rodman had maliciously fouled in previous years. Rodman apologized and Pippen advocated for his acquisition. MJ knew he needed Rodman. He plays it cool now. But at the time he went to the FO saying he needed him.

@@buzzerbeater3350 look kid, all of the melodramatic hero worship aside. Pippen was a 2 time All American in college everyone in the NBA scouting departments knew who he was. He played in the NBA pre-draft camps. No player (even LeBron) decides what players a team signs. That is entirely up to the GM and Team President. There's no Billionaire anywhere that takes orders from Millionaires. That's just reality.

@@nonamewillbegiven Yes they did. Once they found out he was available.

@@doogiebear139 but the shot was made with 17 seconds to go. Georgetown had 2 more possessions AFTER Jordan's jumper.

@@doogiebear139 Fred Brown's pass to Worthy. Worthy was fouled and missed both shots. Sleepy Floyd put up a desperation shot from half court at the buzzer.

@@PoliticusRex632 so what was the issue

@@CP-0809 I keep responding and my comments are being deleted.

@@doogiebear139 exactly, they created their own narrative to make it sound more amazing. That's yellow journalism and I'm not a fan of it

Bird: “That was God in shorts dressed up like Michael Jordan.” That’s Bird’s opinion! And, by your reasoning, “if you take out” Jordan’s SIX championships, Jordan was just a playoff loser! Stats aside, if you took a poll of players, coaches, GMs, game analysts, and writers of the Jordan era, the overwhelming majority would say that Jordan was better than anyone who ever played. But MJ himself said that GOAT discussions are ludicrous since they all played in different eras under different conditions and not always against each other! Even H2H, in a TEAM sport, you can’t make comparisons of individuals. Remember, the Celtics who defended Michael were way better than the Bulls who defended Bird! When the Celtics played the Bulls in 1986, the Celts had FIVE HOF players; the Bulls had ONE!

@@netplayer23 Bird with McHale has a win rate of 73%. Bird without McHale has a win rate of 70%. That is hardly any drop. Bird wasn’t as dependent on McHale and Parish as you think. Who is defending Bird or Jordan rarely made any difference to them. Here is an example of depending on a teammate. Jordan without Pippen 74.4% win rate, Jordan without Pippen 52.8%. If you want to remove the effect of the teammates from the calculation then let us look at box plus minus. Between 1985-86 to 1989-90 In the playoffs Bird and Jordan led the other in 3/6 games in Box plus minus and in other games Bird led Jordan in 8/15 games in Box plus minus while Jordan led Bird in 7/15. Humans do get biased in voting. That is why there have been 3 occasions just in the 90s when the DPOY was not even in the all defensive team. That is also the reason why many people consider Bird a weak defender even though he led the league in defensive win shares 4 times while Jordan and Lebron have never led it even once. Bird was also among the top 10 players in defensive rating in 6 different seasons. Jordan for 4 only seasons with worse rankings than Bjrd too. But if you do insist on going by people’s opinions and votes then you must also think why Jordan won only 4 MVP awards in his 6 trophy winning years. That fact goes against your claim that everyone was just in awe of Jordan. Jordan’s own teammates like Pippen, Horace Grant, George Gervin dislike him and do not say that he is the GOAT. Jordan was a fantastic player to watch. No doubt his highlight reel is the best of them all. That no doubt had an influence on his image as well. But you must re-examine how much of Jordan’s supposed persona is a creation of media and how much of it is the truth. Also you must reconsider how much Bird must have lost due to being aloof and unfriendly towards the media. The numbers say that until his back injury Bird was better than Jordan both offensively and defensively, and by a big big margin. For me that is the truth. For those who look at numbers without context, Jordan is the best.

@@HarmanHundal01 Did you even watch the game? Stats are not everything. There is a factor called “the eye test”. That is the reason there are scouts. Any guy who likes to cum by reading and quoting stats can say, “numbers show why X is better. But there are lots of things which literally cannot be quantified. What number describes intimidation or trash talking? What number describes jealousy? Systems? Coaching bias? What number describes politics (player X was our number 1 draft pick, so we have to play him even though the free agent trying out is actually better?) Please quantify courage, confidence, leadership? Here’s the thing: I absolutely love basketball; therefore, I love Larry Bird! But arguments about who is the GOAT are ludicrous for individual players playing a TEAM sport! Who was better between Bird, Jordan, James, Wilt, Jabbar, and player to be named later always come down to OPINION more than stats! My opinions are based on FIFTY FIVE YEARS of watching and talking to actual players, GMs and coaches. But, bottom line, I believe there are no wrong answers when comparing the all time greats! It’s all just just gum chewing: pleasing but not nutritious in any way.

@@netplayer23 The eye test is subjective. The only thing it can answer is “Which player looks better” and not “Which player is better”. The latter question is best answered by statistics because put all of them together, look at the context and you have your answer. There is nothing disputable about the fact that Bird beat Jordan in 17/21 games from 1986 to 90 at Jordan's prime and that he did so by outscoring Jordan in 9 games, outrebounding him in 16 and outpassing him in 12 games resulting in a 10 point lead in both offensive and defensive rating. From 86 to 89, Bird also has the better Box Plus minus which eliminates the effect of teammates from that data. Jordan's stats against Bird look respectable only because after Bird's injury in 1989 Jordan was able to beat him more often.

@@HarmanHundal01 "There's lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics!"--Mark Twain. Of course the eye test is subjective. But so are stats because a person picks which stats to select to bolster his case. My entire point is that determining who's best in a team sport is chewing gum and stats are not necessarily a great measure. NBA GOAT? Depends on who you ask and what accomplishments they value. Russell's 13 rings? Jabbar's scoring record? Chamberlains dominance of the NBA record books? LeBron's NINE straight FINALS appearances and chips with three DIFFERENT teams? Etc, etc....

You're really going to act like MIchael Jordan has no reason to lie about this? Do you think the same thing about him when it comes to other topics? Do you think the same thing about rich and famous people in general then?

cause Lebron jumped him as GOAT

Not close to Wilt 72 records

Lebron is the GOAT now

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All the Bulls finals opponents were very good teams. If MJ never retired then it would of been the Rockets who could of had a rivalry with the Bulls. Nobody is beating that Warriors team with KD when healthy. The fact is it was a different era and put of 24 playoff series the Bulls were only taken the distance twice. I do think the 6-0 just adds to his legacy. Kind of like how Montana is 4-0 is superbowls but Brady winning 7 just blew past him. I also think the Lakers would of been the ones to beat the Bulls in the Finals and it could of been a passing of the torch moment. Krause could retweaked that Bulls team with or without Pippen and Jackson. People hate on lebron cause he's 4-6 in the finals but its no easy feat to win in the nba or to make it to the finals. Plus that terrible Pippen contract helped the Bulls out more than anything. It allowed them to put together a deep solid team around MJ and Pippen. 55 wins when MJ retired and that's without replacing MJ with an all star caliber player.

Your facts?

@@PoliticusRex632 Do your own research nutbag, the record speaks for itself. I watched MJ play, I've seen everyone since, no one has his game, no one is close to his level. That said, there are obviously players with resumes that are in the same neighborhood (Kareem for example), but those guys played before or early on in Jordan's career.

Funny how you call me a nut bag and my response gets deleted 😄

@@PoliticusRex632 You call yourself crazy and I properly referred to you as such. Considering the origination of the name I would expect you to have a sense of humor about it.

@@jacobgordon7998 nice try, it was an insult and we all know it. Your just another butthurt Jordan fan.