My grandfather Antonino knew Vinny the Chin from Brooklyn Drydocks Shipyard; Vinny was his friend. He helped start a union there. Grandpa said he was crazy like a fox.
Still not sure who would pay 39.99 for this. With how active both Michael and Sammy are on RU-vid. All of their stories are just about played out at this point.
Giuliani is a moron too in retrospective… he took out the mob cuz he had the whole government behind him and gotti was talking too much and thanks to a new law, the Rico act.
The fact Giuliani thought that must mean that the feds or whoever was doing the investigating must have thought the same thing, which means he really did have them fooled
That’s just Rudi trying to discredit the man that made him look like a fool, the chin was to sharp couldn’t be caught on bugs or wiretaps they had nothing concrete to implicate him on the whole commission thing, that’s the one Rudi couldn’t get obviously still bothers him today
YET the Chin outsmarted the Government??🤔🤔🤔😂😂😂Rudy, just admit it!! You got beat by the Chin damn near to the bitter end ….. And you charged the wrong guy with being the Boss of the Genovese family
Chin was a genius. He carried out a number of plots after the death of Carlo Gambino which turned the Genovese into the strongest of the mafia families.
Not 100% true… Fat Tony was Boss. He had a stroke, and retired. He couldn’t handle the retired life and missed all the action but didn’t want to be the Boss. So…. Chin took the top-spot just like Sammy says here and cleverly still had Fat Tony handle most of the Commission stuff and a lot of the day to day. Chin made policy and called the shots on all the Major stuff.
Patrick, if you read these. Congrats, you’ve come a long way. You used to talk more than the person you were interviewing. Now you ask and sit back and listen. Thanks.
@@Guillermo_Carratero Ow I see what your saying my bad. Your right nobody was more powerful and respected than Chin at that time. I read that book Chin it was kind of disappointing because Chin was so careful about wire taps etc and people feared there isn't a ton of information on him.
The gambinos where only the most powerful through connections with lucusse ,and columbo ,and rhe Bruno family in Philadelphia ,they had more say on the comission , Hence after Carlo died , Angelo Bruno was hit ,leaving Tesla and scarfo who were more friends towards the Genovese family
From what I've read and researched, Fat Tony was put there as a front boss, the chin really ran the show and no one messed with the Chin, even Gotti was scared of him.
He wasn’t scared of him lol he killed a boss for Christ sakes gotti wasn’t scared of no one he was supposed to have died just for killing a boss but they couldn’t kill him they tried but after one mess up the other families give up it kills me when I see people talk about gotti with out knowing what there talking about the only downfall gotti had was being to proud an really not fearing anything including the government
@@caseymckenzie3951 nahh bro, if you really listened to sammys stuff you would know that Gotti was puffing his chest out after the Big Paul hit cause he truly felt he HAD the resources to clean up whatever problem he had , aka sammy and his crew, Gotti himself was truly a little kid wanting to be the center of attention, sammy knew it, Frankie decicco knew it. Alot of them did. Plus sammy was the one who planned the whole Paul hit. Chin ordered Frankie decicco killed less than a year after Gotti was made boss, Decicco was Underboss at the time. Chin said you wanna play ball? Let's play ball. After that big Paul hit, Gotti reign was going downhill fast. Remember sammys story of when Gotti ordered him to kill the Chin and the Genovese had it all set up to where as soon as anyone walks in that building they were getting blasted, Gotti called Sammy off before it happened lol. To me the Chin was a true testament to Cosa Nostra. Gotti to me is the perfect example of know who you're bringing around
Man played the role to a tee. You gotta respect someone that clever and smart. Smart as a fox they used to say. He had the whole world fooled while his buddies were shaking their heads and laughing.
Well the fact Rudi the guy in charge of going after these guys thinks the main guy isn't leading them and is crazy despite what we know now. Just shows how effective Chin's little game was.
I liked how they did subtle similarities with Chin and Junior Soprano. In season 1 Junior was the “front man boss” and Tony was the real power, but eventually they had Junior milk his mild dementia to escape conviction. However he eventually got to the point where he was walking around town in his bathrobe and knocking on the neighbor’s door asking for ice cream. They were sort of backwards, but it was obvious there was a lot of inspiration there
I would say to Rudy ,if the chin was so low in the family ,why did the FBI go after him the way they did , Why did they spend so much money and time trying to prove he was faking it ,
After Paul Castellano died it was said Chin was the guy leading the Commission meetings. Because the other bosses hated Gotti. So effectively Chin was actually the “boss of bosses” for a while. Yet Giuliani thinks he was irrelevant…
Love Sammys interviews. He's really a smart guy. In fact both Sammy and Michael are both really smart men. You don't see much of that today. But got lots of respect for both men
You have a serious problem if you respect a man who used intimidation and violence not to mention murder to obtain people's hard earned money, innocent hard working members of the public who owned shops bars clubs etc etc until people like sammy came along and took it of them, not to mention the ones sammy and his associates murdered leaving wives with no husbands and kids with no fathers, then when Sammy is faced with life in prison he does what lots of them do he decides to enter witness protection program, don't give me this absolute nonsense he was only getting back at gotti because gotti was settling sammy up thats absolute rubbish made up nonsense from sammy the rat 🐀, sammy the rat not only grassed up gotti but also 35 other crew members, so why grass up all those people if it was just gotti he had a problem with, i will tell you why its simple because the more he grassed up the less of a sentence he would get, and because sammy was facing life that meant he would need to grass up as many members as possible so as he could get out of jail as soon as possible its that simple, people like you giving these lowlife cowards respect is absolutely ridiculous and shameful it pretty much says a lot about yourself as a person.
It amazes me how the black community gets ripped for celebrating thugs but Sammy has 17 court proven bodies on his record but he is looked up too and honored today even though he is a snitch a rat. What's different.... 🤔
Rudy probably just doesn't wanna own up to the fact that they and the media wrongly alleged Fat Tony as the boss of the Genovese, when it was Chin. In my opinion, Second to Funzi Tieri being the front boss for Phil "Benny Squint" Lombardo, Chin was the best to ever be boss of the Genovese.
Very true Alex I knew Benny Lombardo his first choice was a Harlem guy Sammy black Santoro , SAMMY came down with stage 4 lung cancer and Benny ordered Tony to front for chin, Ben was brilliant we was one of 5 who lived with Charlie lucky in the Waldorf, thy were grooming Benny in the 40s to some day day the helm, he went way into the radar cause he saw what the exposure did to Lucky, he was about the rules real old world guy
I think Rudy is in denial that a mob family outwitted him. Though could be the boss position doesn't matter in the Genovese family as they are decentralised. Explaining why their family seems to bounce back even when 'leadership' is arrested. Kinda like how there is a king but the powerful dukes are the true power of the kingdom. So defeating the king is pointless. *edit, spelling
Now that he’s talking about the mafia which Sammy knows well…..I think Sammy is starting to see that Rudy is OUT of his mind! Everyone and their mother knows the Chin deal at this point. He was the power in that family. Rudy…the guy who should know BETTER THAN ANYONE…is completely in crazy town about basic shit. The man is crazy. I think Sammy is starting to see that now.
Rudy has started to lose his marbles a while ago, to be frank. I’d say it’s rather sad, the man has gone from one of the most celebrated figures in recent US history to a semi-senile drunk. He should have retired.
@@jordanjames2611 You take the word of a thug over a prosecutor. If you listen closely to Rudy's words, he ADMITS Chin played up his illness. But Rudy also states correctly that Chin was diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic.
Don't be suprised if Sammy has some kind of hatred for Chin because he's the reason why Bobby Boriollo, Eddy Lino and Franky Deccico are dead. Reason for it is because of the unsactioned Paul Castellano hit...
He liked the Chin. The Chin was being a good boss by retaliating for Paul. You can’t fault him for that. Gas pipe is who he hated. Gaspipe and decico came up together.
@@keydaaq1805 Yes that's true but Gotti told Sammy not to do it/shut that idea immediately. He knew Chin had too much power and was somebody not be played around with. Even the Genovese/Luchesse Family planned to have Sammy and Gotti killed but the Feds got them first...
There's no way in hell Chin was only number 8 ...fat Tony was the boss and a powerful guy for a long time but he had lile a stroke or something and he stepped down and that's when Gigante took over
I gotta take Sammy´s and Michael´s word on this, given their high ranking positions in the Gambino and Colombo families, they obviously knew who the bosses of other families were, and they have no reason to lie about this.
I have studied the chin and Fat Tony, he was called the oddfather but he was the real street godfather and didn't go to jail for years they couldn't get him and Rudy is pissed great again Patrick and your crew 💯
I’m going to side with Sammy on this. Sammy stand down, someone somewhere get me a sit down with Rudy! This man with borderline personality will convince him! 1 Italian man to another!
His subordinates from the underboss to capos to made men to street associates had to point to their chin or gang sign the letter c with their hand to refer to the Chin. You couldn’t mention his name for good reason. He didn’t want his AK heard on wiretaps. This edict was enforced under Omertà the ancient penalty of death to those who broke the rule. If that’s not some nitty gritty elite LCN capo di tutti capo mafioso gangster shit then I don’t know what is
This is the guy that Bumpy Johnson would partner up with then they would go to war then partner up again on The Godfather of Harlem, he's crazy on the show too.
Gigante was known to be tremendously intelligent and vicious as Gravano elaborated, and his dedicated mental patient act did indeed keep him out of jail for a long, long time, even after he was indicted in 1990. Still, if the FBI wants you, they're going to get you and they eventually got him, but not before Gigante built the Genovese family to be the biggest and strongest crime family in New York and possibly in all of North America. The Genovese family ran like clockwork with no real informants which is why they remained so strong under Gigante's leadership, and also why a lot of history of the family is lost to the public because his guys didn't talk. Not only that, Gigante was apparently a beloved boss because he ran things competently and made money for everyone. He's a very interesting and compelling figure.
Rudy can’t just admit that The Chin was the one that got away and had him convict the wrong guy in fat Tony when it was The chin running the show the whole time.
I don't know why they don't make a major TV show about 1980s New York mafia. Amuso/Casso, Gotti/Gravano, Fat Tony/Chin...so many interesting characters and crews.
Just when you think Rudy's credibility couldn't sink any lower, he comes out with that absolute nonsense, in a desperate attempt to discredit the fact that he was fooled by the Genovese's.
Chin would never have sat down with Gotti, as it’s fact he tried to kill Gotti but failed for the Paul castellano hit and going against the rules and taking out a boss.
What a joke. Sammy and Michael diminished their value by letting Patrick have this interview. The FBI has better surveillance audio than the Mafia States of America interview.
Something I never understood about gangsters . Why didn’t they just knock off the da the judges , cops . Back in the 80s they had the power . Why let them lock them up and take them from their family ? Doesn’t make any sense to me
