Sampling is in SERIOUS Trouble 

Stupid ass business suits more like

Oh it is isn’t it. We own sound.

Lol

That's the capitalist class for you, never producing anything but profiting from it cause 'law'...

I LOVE IT! It’s just gonna make us get more creative ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 10/10 -OY3AH! ™️ We finnally get to use our minds 🔂. I’m so good GOOGLE WILL NOT FIND MY SAMPLE TRUST ME. I’m smarter than A A.I

its not about confusing 2 songs its about profiting off someone elses effort with out credit.

@@sadstrongman271 What you just described has pretty much never been what concepts like copyright and trademark are about, legally speaking.

@@elketerbentzadik not in the world of music. maybe if youre talking about using walmarts likeness in a bad way, but in the world of music absolutely wrong

​@@elketerbentzadik it's about intellectual property and performance rights... So that's exactly what effort means

It's called stealing

Even with acoustic instruments, I bet recording techniques will come up as false positives. I think, however, that for now, it will be done manually.

Honestly I feel pretty confident with AI... With a large enough data set it's pretty accurate.

I don't think you understand the technology. It's like finger print technology. It won't do that.

@@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69 It's nothing like fingerprint technology. Who even told you that? Besides, fingerprints are not all that reliable either, despite what cop shows try to tell you.

It's super frustrating!! I make music with a eurorack, but for the last like 6 months I've been getting flags for tracks I record (as "from scratch" as you can possibly make electronic music). If we are talking about audio finger prints of less than a second we start including percusion sounds. How many producers use an 808 sample? How many use sample pack plucked bass sounds? How many guitar players/bedroom producers play a C to a G major chord at some point on similar pickups, mic and sample rates?

Something that is universally the block of music shouldn’t be copyrighted, only the melody, which big labels are happy to ignore.

That almost happened with The Box by Roddy Ricch. They used a preset that a Britney Spears(?) song also used and almost got in trouble for it

@@lucayaki something used under the Creative Commons i may be wrong, RWJ has also admitted using preset loops in his songs for his virtual group, instead of claiming that this artist ripped him off.

@@hexostatus4658 In this specific case it was an orchestra hit from a preset. There's a beat deconstructed video on it where the producer shows he didn't use any sample outside of that preset to make that sound

@@lucayaki another case involved KSHMR and the indian artist having a song using the same vocal preset in one of their songs, KSHMR said that it’s from his own preset sound pack. Big labels arr happy to ignore the complexities of the copyright law.

@@TrapgeniusBeatsyea bro if you use a preset that was also used in another song I could easily see that happening. The Daft punk example he gives means that if one note is similar it catches it

@@TrapgeniusBeats nah not good at all lol

Stop using Em chord maybe 😂

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Transformative use is allowable commercially under circumstances.

Yeah, I was thinking about that too.

With one exception which is a Michael Jackson song, yeah. Every 909 ever: google "hey i know this sample"

Same sandbox is absolutely goated.

Yea. Like the preset Mike Will used in Dune synth (I believe)in the song Black Beatles, the main little pluck, is a sequence patch just holding one note. Like... Does that mean that patch is no longer possible to use? It's also a little weird to me how, it's not really possible to sell non royalty free drum hits or loops. You can cut a kick and a snare out of a song and no one will know, but if you cut out the kick, hat and snare break from a song all of a sudden it can be copyrighted?

@@Taylor370z It's bad. If you're new and don't have the money to stand up to these people, it's going to be hard. I don't know copyright law as I just make synthwave for my own listening.

we need to go back to the jazz days, when they didn't care about people borrowing riffs from other songs

"Fair cut" is all subject to oppinion and interpretation. What someone wants to CHARGE to have thier song samples used by other artists isn't always how much those samples are worth. Once you've already created the song tho, if they want too much $$ to clear the samples, you can get stuck paying thru the nose to release that song if you feel it has potential. But it's thier prerogative to charge what they want. On the other hand, what someone wants to PAY is often far less than what those specific samples are worth. Especially when you get into territory where extremely successful and recognized songs are concerned. In general terms, a good song made using samples from a commercially successful song...is far more likely to become commercially successful itself...rather than a good song using obscure samples. Just from the sheer mass appeal and recognition of the song it's sampled from. I can understand a artist not wanting the legacy of one thier masterpieces to be watered down by a string of mediocre songs becoming hits off the coattails of what they had created. And especially true... If someone wants a chance to potentially take away from a fellow artists future sales(POTENTIALLY! 'cuz many times it leads to a resurgence and boost to the original songs sales also) ...by what can often essentially be considered "re-making" a famous song, then its understandable if that fellow artist wants them to share in the profits handsomely. P.s. "Sandbox"

@@bobsmith12345 Musical quotes were the shit back in the day

@@bobsmith12345 In the jazz days, riffs were played not lifted from copyrighted recordings. You borrowed something from someone else played it but you didn’t try to monetize someone else playing it too.

@@bobsmith12345 In the jazz era, riffs were played not lifted from copyrighted recordings. You borrowed something from someone else and played it yourself. You didn’t try to monetize someone else’s riffs *and* performance in a recording. Playing *like Miles* isn’t the same as playing Miles on you song and trying cash that check without clearing it with Miles Davis. Just get the samples cleared if you want to use the content to make money.

That's an oxymoron (easy "moron joke" there). Musicians and composers/producers "that creat sample-based music". If the only thing you play is the play and rec button, then nope, you're not a musician. If you use samples in a creative way and to inspire yourself that's a different topic. Playing back what others actually played does not turn you into a musician. Maybe a sampler...

@@cristiansosa1512 He meant 1. musicians and 2. producers that create sample-based music - as two separate entities.

@@cristiansosa1512 I disagree. Sample-based music isn't about using someone else's performance. It's about recording, and Oden twisting, a sound to suit your purposes. They can be played live with a keyboard or sequenced on a timeline. I've been a musician 45 years, guitars, keyboard, sax and clarinet, and ai use sequencers and the timeline on the DAW compositionally. If I use someone else's recording in a composition, I'm acting as producer and composer. In no way does that make me not a real musician. I have a video where I take found sounds and use a trash can being beaten and a coffee grinder to make a kick and snare. I'll also be creating lines from random recordings of singing and other songs to create a large amount of the sound in the song. I pitch bend, eq, alter envelopes and do all shirts of things to these sins as most people do in modern sampling. It's quite an art form. People who do sound design and produce songs on the timeline are acting in the role of composer and, I would argue that, in lieu of performers, they are merely creating a different type of preformance. My point her was that creative need to work together. And if you think periodicals working with samples aren't musicians, you have a lot to learn. Most perform with sample hits and many play other instruments as well. One producer I knew creating beats fit radioed had a degree in music and was a trombonist.

@g3m1n1 ky of course not. Musicians have worked for a long time with each other to increase their exposure. It's time-tested and it's also the reason popular RU-vidrs in the music industry have each other on as guests.

Also, people need to keep things to themselves. Let's not get people sued.

Cut dubs. Play underground parties. Let the mainstream turn to shit. Fuck the labels.

We out here

Same

Absolutely agree

Yeah, one of the biggest joys in sampling is actually find those samples. Whether it's vinyl, cassette, CD, lossless rips, RU-vid... listening to music and finding dope stuff, sometimes in unexpected places. Sometimes when I hear other producers' music, I hear that they sampled a song that I've heard before, but they took a section I never even thought of touching because my ear didn't catch what they heard in that sample. Splice gives you everything from one shots to loops, and Tracklib already offers you curated samples. Where is the fun in that? Also, Sandbox

I also love how old tracks sound. The gritty sound from an old record is so much better than a splice loop with a lofi effect on it

@@glendwellz seriously! I hate when loop makers make the shit all quantized to the grid, pitch up vox, and add fx, like hello, Im the fucking producer and you're the fucking sample, stfu. If I want it quantized I can do that, if I want to chop it up, I can do that. Moreover, I want something that is unique to MY EXPERIENCE OF LIFE AND MAKING MUSIC, a sample I personally found thru digging for the perfect snatch, not some generic shit that's been curated for "anybody". I need to acknowledge that I don't have anything against music made in Splice or Tracklib by other folks. People make bangers with that stuff. You know, like McDonald's is still bomb food and I'm sure some people get kind of creative with what they like/how they eat it/etc., its just homogeneous in general though. I like to be in control of my sample curation as well as selection. These days that probably makes me a socialist, but hey, what doesn't?

@@glendwellz I get what you're saying, but nowadays you can create/recreate that gritty sound

Fair point, but if the AI changes it sufficiently that it is not recognizable, then it is the same idea as a human doing it. I know AI tends to be a polarizing subject in art these days, but ultimately, even if the AI puts something together, the human decides to publish the final result song. The human has final say and approval. I keep saying the same flawed argument in a lot of places, that people get away with AI generated ripoffs. Not really. Even if an AI creates art, it does not become Skynet and goes off the rails to self-publish songs. A person decides to publish that song, and that person will be held liable for potential copyright infringement. The backlash against AI these days seems a bit hypocritical, considering how much artists love to use technology to create at, but then get indignant about the technology getting out of control. We cannot play it both ways. This is simple complex systems science, based on evolution of trends. Just like the recording industry could not stop the Internet, AI art generation is not going to get easily shut down. Smashing industrial machinery did not stop the industrial revolution. Burning books will not... Wait, OK, considering everyone loves short attention span social media, I think we have achieved a certain level of illiteracy even WITHOUT burning books... The point is, it will be hard to "burn" AI at the stake...

​@@AdamElteto too long didn't read plus you're wrong

part of the drums for the shell casing sound for ammo?

Link please !

look for Burial - Archangel

Ive recently discovered that burial also sampled a section in half life source for the very beginning of thesong

@@drlostcause4427 where :O which burial's song?

Feel the exact same way. And fuck that snitch.

Just let the mainstream die. Put out physical copies and play underground parties.

Yooooo

We just need to break the AI bro. They learn from human input, we just need to keep feeling the AI loads of bullshit to throw it off

@@1337murk Yooo bro! Hahah that's a great idea. All the mediocre music coming out these days might be our saving grace.

On god... I'm sampling regardless

brother, your musik is beatifull!

That’s exactly why this article was posted by tracklib

Subscription models for samples/VSTs create decision anxiety because there's too many choices.

I'm sure I heard that track back in the early 90"s at a recovery party and haven't thought about it since, now I'm gunna search for it and see. EDIT, thank you very much for putting my brain on a flashback.

@@charliesnorta0666 It's flipping awesome. Re-enjoy.

hahahha!

Whoever invented the saw wave is gonna earn a lot of royalties when the AI learns that people have been putting it through filters to disguise it.

@@serial_sequence2k Amen my brother 🙏 🙌 ❤️ 💙

You better believe I got a cassette player.

Alcohol poisoning in a very short time lol.... not that that's funny, but...

@@tonychopper9142 At that point it just becomes a game of survival 😭

Music theory plugins to help you out with melody… Seriously… 🤦🏻‍♂️

@@pw6002 you don't know about it?

Especially the arpeggiator ones. Some of them are straight up melodic loops. And I’ve heard multiple songs use them in identical manners.

I have the same philosophy. It's basically a "Do unto others as you'd have done to yourself" kind of thing. I give credit where it's due (and would happily share royalties if I actually earned any) because I would hate it if people used chunks of my work and passed it off as their own. That's not to say, however, that the current way that music copyright is regulated doesn't have problems. A lot of the stuff that happens - especially when lawyers get involved, or when AI assigns copyright royalties to the "wrong" person, or when scammy record companies use bots to go hunting and hassling hobbyist producers/remixers or even makers of tutorials - is very frustrating..

​@@AutPen38I follow the same philosophy with different principles: "do what ever i'd do to you." In my case, fuck clearing samples, fuck royalties, and fuck copyright. Art shouldn't be restricted, period. Maybe I'm a radical, sure, but I think that it should be perfectly normal to have the idea that "you can sample me as much as you like for whatever, i can sample you as much as i like for whatever."

Tl;dr: Fuck copyright. Make everything creative commons.

Can confirm this, as an early member of the server.

the road to hell is paved with good intentions

@@vvvictoriav5958 how is people being sampled getting their fair share of recognition "hell" lmao r'tard the man who played the amen break died homeless im the streets, never even knowing he spawned half of all electronic music genres

Can also confirm this as another SH mod, many members of the community make their own sample-based music while getting inspiration from these sampling musicians, so it would be hypocritical to sample snitch

You ARE the sample snitches though, and now we can’t have anything nice because you people couldn’t keep it in your pants….

Hegelian Dialect

Not all AI works like that you're making a very large inaccurate generalization.

I back this comment 100%.

amount of melodies and rhytms are limited. if ai will be learning everything then people will reach end. you can make your own sound which was invented before by someone else. what then?

easier for you to say

@kaemgiekmg I never get hits on my melodies when I run them through AI checkers to see if they were used before. Maybe the problem is you. The number of combinations and permutations is limitless. You can't copyright a chord progression or drum pattern.

Dam Rip sampling