San Francisco neighbors hot over EV cooling fans causing noise nuisance 

Well they said they’re addressing a complaint received from one neighbor but it doesn’t acknowledge or deny the existence of other complaints. If everyone has the same complaint they might just bunch it into “1 problem affecting many”. I get what you’re saying though, it doesn’t help that their case, that their statement is worded like that

Well they’re owned by Volkswagen and the whole reason they exist is because it was part of the deal they made with the government after dieselgate… so no surprise there… a dishonest company continuing to be dishonest

@@alexibarra4675 They knew full well what they were doing when they arranged the installation.

Thats what corporations do, nothing new!

​@@JoeOvercoatYes they did know; they were installing a properly permitted charging station? Lmao

Don’t like it move

Yea, 70 outdoors isn’t all that crazy, but 60 indoors all over the apartment.. that’s the same as a normal conversation. Just imagine having to listen to a droning ramble of incoherent conversation 24 hours a day. I’d be pissed.

The street full of junkies and the constant smell of feces are okay but the loud fans ??? You'll are clowns and worse ! 😶‍🌫️

@@HiThisIsMine lol I live in the South, on the end f a dirt road..My A/C runs 24/7..It puts out 75 db....Such is life...Grow up and face some real strife in life and ambient noise becomes a minimal issue.

@@user-qr7ee2cp4yso since it’s quieter than a fucking motorbike it’s okay?

they need to remove it now. obviously has government kickback.

Right? Especially parking their business in a residential neighborhood.

they put in a permit and installed it... after that , they turn the fan on .. thats how

They got away with it because so many government institutions are hellbent on trying to get people into electric cars

Money

These things are relatively new, the city permitting department had no idea. Now that they know, let’s see what they do about it.

Yes and there's no way they didn't know how loud it was going to be. There are things they could have done like direct the noise upward and away from buildings or use liquid cooling instead. There's a reason why chunky heatsinks are the norm in computers not just fans. They could potentially even install equipment to scavenge some of the spare heat for other purposes.

😂 yeah that's one way to look at it

Funny 😁

creating quite a buzz among the neighbors.

Noise pollution is only illegal if you're not paying the city to not hear it.

If a little noise means stopping global warming, then no one should be complaining

Don't get me wrong here... I'm generally with you when it comes to the 'turn that crap down!' sentiment. But just what exactly is the difference between fans and freeway noise or some dipshit with muscle car and no muffler? Or some clown rolling through the neighborhood blasting his music or aircraft noise? One angle that might get this company to clean up its act is if the neighbors sue because the noise lowers their property values. That ought to get quick action in the PRSF.

@@drowe2 - 50 years of global warming predictions, and none of them have come true. 1933 is still the hottest year recorded. Enough is enough, stop with fear mongering.

@@drowe2 50 years of global warming predictions, and none of them have come true. 1933 is still the hottest year recorded.

It is the only solution for problems in this country.

Destroy the fan

And lose

2000kw of power max assuming 10 slots are occupied using full power. I also think the fan is on max power but they could have used more space to spread out the cooling and/or slow down charging to say 100kw (still very fast) to decrease temperature load

@@RandomPerson-op1bq yeah, I was assuming about 2MW of charge capacity and about 95% conversion efficiency, plus thermal losses from running active cooling cables and wiggle room for other inefficiencies is where I got the 100-200kw of thermal waste energy they have to dump. I agree, the immediate fix should be to throttle the fan (or replace the motor if necessary ) to run at a max speed that’s within noise ordinances, and whatever the chargers can manage within that will be the site max for now. Most of these chargers have been going into strip mall and big box store parking lots, where noise isn’t as big of a deal. As they move into more urban environments like this, they’re going to have to get a bit more sophisticated about their waste heat handling. There’s no reason or excuse for even a charging facility of this size to be making this much noise in a residential neighborhood.

Just think of all the free or very cheap hot water they could supply to neighbours...

Most of the chargers are 350KW

Duct silencers, some deflector vanes or better yet relocate the exhaust to the roof. Line the ducts with acoustic dampers. Fans themselves dont sound very efficient either. Give it 50k to do all that and you’ll significantly lower the noise.

i want a tandy desktop.

Like from the 1970s ....uh theres an app for your phone now

@@nickmalone3143 i'll trust my RS analog dB meter over your phone app anyday.

@@nickmalone3143 I'd rather have the meter; thx.

@@nickmalone3143I have one.

@@nickmalone3143 I have a sound meter. It needs to be calibrated periodically. I doubt any phone app would be accepted as evidence in a court hearing.

City officials probably got campaign contributions and stock options from Electrify America

The city was probably told by the company that the noise level would be within the allowable limit. Since it is not, daily fines should be issued until the problem is fixed. If the problem cannot be fixed, the business should be closed down. EV’s are the future in the effort to reduce air pollution, but excess noise is another kind of pollution.

True. As an Architect who works with MEP and Acoustic Consultants it is standard practice for a legit engineer to do sound calculations, provide installation details to meet project targets, and ensure all equipment parts are in correct working order before signing off on project completion. Sometimes it’s a loose belt or blade, and done. Other times it’s vibration isolators, baffles, or alternate manufacturers. This is negligence on the part of the City, Owner, and Design-Build professionals involved. Get on it now while the GC is still under warranty.

Since it is “EV” nothing will be done as it is a political animal.

Yeah right.. good luck attacking anything EV in CA CA is simply unsalvageable.

The company was created with our money obtained from the dieselgate settlement with VW. In a socialist world we would own that company, but in America under crony capitalism, we’ve simply created the monster that we see in this video.

The top floor is usually a residence.

They voted for it

@@chriscalderin6677so original. What a tool

What about just resorting to vandalism.

Wow. You don't know how useless the police are there. They're (the police department) threatening a Target store because the store is reporting crime too often. (Every occurence)

@@dobe2049 In many cases the only and best option. But in this instance one can turn it in to $$$. I'm all for $$$.

You wouldn’t get a penny from people charging their vehicles there. That would be no different than if you had beef with a fast food restaurant for a noise complaint and tried to sue their customers. You could include the city in your claim, operators of the charging station, the main property tenant that may have agreed to allowing it, the landlord, and then you could look into management and employees of the charging station or facility if you have some basis to prove they acted with malice to approve the project or ignore your complaints.

​@@dobe2049 Does foam insulation Spray on fan vents considered one🤔🤣

No I understood that just fine. Just not a FAN of charging stations under a residential building too much of a fire risk. How does the fire department put out that fire…. They don’t they just let it burn. So if you are fine with the possibility of being a marshmallow go for it. Me not so much…

@@noneyabusiness8278 Charging stations don't cause fires. Gasoline does, and so do bad batteries. In any case, the article is about noise pollution. DC fast charging equipment can get very loud because they are dealing with 100s of kWs .. and even at 95% efficiency, there is considerable heat to dissipate. They should have vented the heat from the roof instead of the sides of buildings. This is just poor design, and not a fire hazard.

My thought

How does that stop the running fan noise? Anyone with a PC has experienced it.

You’re making too much sense.. knock it off 😅

​@@otroflores91the noise isn't directed down or to where people are but upwards so the apparent volume would be lower for the exact same fan. Experiment. Take a stereo or whatever speaker and face it towards you and play something loud. Now turn the speaker so it's facing to the ceiling... compare. You'll find that it sounds lower. Same concept with a fan

​​@@otroflores91apples and oranges. Your in closer proximity to a computer plus your puter isn't cooling with industrial fans

Yeah one loud fan means EVs aren't the future, but when a supertanker or oil well releases thousands of barrels of oil into the ocean and along pristine beaches, or we fight wars for oil, that's no problem for the future of oil burning cars. Puh-lease.

This technology is not the future, It sounds like you understand the argument you’re just in denial, electric vehicles are a dead technology that was experimented with over a century ago😢

Sadly they are....where I live they are building an EV plant which is expected to go live next year. With how EV sales are tanking I dont really see that warehouse being online for long

Probably be less noise if they went with gas cars like a normal person 😂

@@chadgeary5615 Gas cars are dying off so that would be a pointless investment.

@@JacktheSmack They are definitely NOT dying off. Crooked government is trying to force them out, but that crap is getting shut down. EV is the biggest polluter by far.

@JacktheSmack 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 so ridiculous and stupid

Ah but that one loose bolt, or fan or 2 that isn't weight calibrated regardless of more fans... you will hear it and they will never fix it... specially with the 50 year old insolation in the walls.

the fan is clearly degrading her art

a dick...

double end

Piece of sh**. "Masterpieces." 😂

Her art looks like it could be Very loud.. 😖😵‍💫💩

Right because fans must make noise

​@@neilkurzman4907just call them windmills and they will stop complaining 😂

EV and the pseudo ecological owners are horrible for the planet.

Just tell them its to save the planet, lol

@@danettewelborn5577 And there is your problem. You assume people who care about the planet are idiots and you can tell them whatever you want and they’ll believe you.

"tell we voted for it" Go back to school.

@@cardrivingdude grow up it is probably spell check! You must be a brandon voter

​@@chriscalderin6677 You also need to go back to school so you can learn to construct a complete and coherent thought within a sentence.

@@cardrivingdude You should go back to school, the internet is an informal register.

@@SmallSpoonBrigade You're right.

I’ve been to many Tesla chargers and there’s no loud fan anywhere near them. How is the competition this far behind still?

@@FriedChairs are the Tesla chargers all inside one building like this electrify America facility? Chargers, located outside are different.

Cheap equipment

ikr....I've never heard a peep out of any Tesla Supercharger and they have them in parking garages.

THIS!!

It's the landfill.

"Horseless carriages are not the future." --Horace T. Dumass, 1892

@@kenbob1071Oh my God you’re too lazy to find an actual quote to support your argument, 😂

So move

Who cares. 99.9% of the time the grid is far below max capacity. If there is high demand or a grid crisis, charging rates can be curtailed or stopped entirely which usually only happens in the late evening from 7-10pm on a very hot day. Grid capacity can and will be added if the demand is there.

They voted for it

@@chriscalderin6677 Do you live in one of the many Red states that are constantly on the bottom of state rankings when it comes to any measure of success? I guess that's what you voted for. But yeah, let's hype up a single instance of a loud fan if it helps you cope.

@@kenbob1071 I live in texas where everyone wants to move to

@@kenbob1071 California is a $#!+ hole because of the IQ of the voters

Still A LOT more efficient than burning fossil fuels.

It's a cult.

You have to run a total energy use calculation to be sure. But I’m pretty sure that is not an efficient fan system, I agree with the commenters that said they likely cheaped out when picking it. And I’m shocked that city regulations allowed it to installed at that height when you never see building HVAC exhaust fans done that way.

It's pretty clear you're just here to bash EVs and anything associated with them. You can't even quantify what the word "efficient" means.

They voted for it! Electric cars use more fossil fuel than gas cars

Blah it's not EV problem it's Electrify America problem. No one complain Tesla Superchargers being loud.

No they just complain the quality is low and they have no resale value. Few people buy a 2nd EV.

@@henryyiu618electrify America sucks ass. I’ve had both a Tesla and non Tesla. I wouldn’t own an EV without reliable in home charging.

@@joesmith3590 is that what the news told you?

@@joesmith3590Only ignorant people who don't actually own Tesla complain about them.

You mean like the voters of failed states like Alabama, MS, AR, WV, MO, LA, etc. who keep voting for the same corrupt Party even though they're always ranked at the bottom of every list that measures success?

And one will. Guaranteed.

We've been using battery-powered tools for years in mechanics shops. They have zero issues with battery failure.

The issue is not with tools. It is with electric cars catching on fire

Both electric cars and electric tool batteries have caught on fire, in the past as well as recently. And lithium battery fires are no joke. But feel free to keep burying your head in the sand so you don’t have to question your own narrative.

@@k.chriscaldwell4141 How long do we have to wait for one to catch on fire 10 or 20 years? What happens if you guarantee fails?

But WALLS don’t woke, I mean work.

😂 stoopid

This wasn't an inherent problem, a better heat sink with louvers to direct the sound away from the residences would solve it. They just didn't want to spend the money.

Yeah, b/c I'm sure nobody on the planet has ever complained about loud gas-powered lawn mowers, leaf blowers, diesel generators or the polluted smoggy air that comes with fossil fuel burning.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics is inviolate.

@@k.chriscaldwell4141 ok

EV charging ~ 95% efficient. Internal combustion engine ~35% efficient. EV *can* recharge from braking, you don't get a tank of gas from braking in a gas car. Dont spew BS about "environmentally friendly" if you know SFA.

@@dougaltolan3017 I wasn't saying anything about electric vehicles being efficient. I was referring to these huge fans needed to cool the charging infrastructure for the electric vehicles. Don't spew BS at me if you didn't understand my comment.

@@frankmacleod2565 I guess joined up thinking isn't your thing. L

I feel for you. I hope you can sell your ev.

Explain how they're a scam. I doubt very much you're an EV owner.

@@imzjustplayin Well, here's the problem: there such a plethora of failures surrounding ev's, it would take days to cover all their short coming. However, let me direct you to a YT channel: "Mguy Australia." You'll get everything you want to know about the failures of ev's. Oh, btw, Hertz bought 20,000 of those ev's and now they can't sell them. I wonder why??

BS. I've owned a Tesla for 5 years and it's the best car I've ever owned (including my Toyota Prius).

@@imzjustplayin He won't b/c he has nothing.

This seems like a perfect use for noise cancellation technology. There are other ways to mitigate this noise as well. The fact that the E V company and city have done nothing speaks volumes.

gas cars are not being banned in 2035.

nice try though

You actually believe gas cars will be banned?? That’s adorable 🤣🤣🤣

That was the initial plan, but CA has backtracked. Honda, for one, is ditching all-electric.

@@rrickard2874 the plan was never to ban gas cars.

In the near term yes hybrids make sense but long term EVs absolutely will be the standard. There is far too much investment and momentum and advantages to going with EVs. EVs today are not ready for mass adoption but in 20 years they absolutely will be the norm.

@imzjustplayin the investment was because the government tried to strong arm the industry into switching. There is literally no advantage to having an EV over internal combustion engines. Personally, I wouldn't touch those hybrids either.

There are no coal power plants in California.

Wrong. EVs are the future. It simply is the most sensible solution.

You know what else was "the future"? 8-track tapes Quadrophonic sounds 3D television Flying cars Supersonic airliners

@@Simon-dm8zv The EV technology we have now is grossly inadequate. The national grid could not support the EV goals being trumpeted by the proponents today. EVs may be the future but right now they are a bad joke.

@@ghost307 These were just gadgets. The choice for EVs is simply a matter of physics.

@@JoeOvercoat They are not a joke at all. They are doing just fine. EVs are the most sensible solution we have to lower CO2 emissions quick. It’s not as if we have a choice.

No, it's not, this is what happens when the planning department isn't given enough information about the project design. We're going electric whether you like it or not, the question is how much oil there is left in the ground and not in the air when that happens. Better radiators and more efficient fans would have avoided the issue.

LOL!! The libs are mentally ill.

Fires!!!