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Sandy Munro Dishes on 4680, Cybertruck, & the Competition 

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@michaelgirard5984
@michaelgirard5984 24 дня назад
That was refreshingly concise. Thank you both!
@williamgrunzweig571
@williamgrunzweig571 24 дня назад
Nice interview. Ty Sandy. It's pretty neat to see how Tesla is developing new battery technology and other manufacturers are also developing new form factors. I'm just guessing, it feels like Tesla is the whole reason so much RnD is being done towards energy storage and mediums. The rate of development is very promising.
@jdcarguy1242
@jdcarguy1242 24 дня назад
Keep up the short and sweet promos. Sandy is always great content!
@commuterbranchline8132
@commuterbranchline8132 24 дня назад
A great guest and episode, well done Brian!
@mrmawson2438
@mrmawson2438 24 дня назад
Sandy is a good guy
@vincentdeleonjr1039
@vincentdeleonjr1039 24 дня назад
thank you both
@JosephWolfgram
@JosephWolfgram 22 дня назад
Good job on this interview with Sandy... Great questions, and you actually stopped to LISTEN to his answers without interrupting him! Nicely done.
@loucatozzi7656
@loucatozzi7656 24 дня назад
"Sandy, I appreciate you coming on and sharing ALL that you know..." Now that would be an interesting, but very long, video. 😃
@Radio_FM_3123
@Radio_FM_3123 24 дня назад
The voltage of a battery depends on the chemistry of the battery itself, in other words, it depends on the pair of anode and cathode materials.
@greggrant4614
@greggrant4614 23 дня назад
Thanks for Sandy's review of the Sakuu battery. Need many more details, like regarding the internal resistance, as well as thermal management, energy density and cyclelife vs. C-rate of discharge/charge and temperature.
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 23 дня назад
Not sure how much of that info will be published. They spend a fortune creating those engineering reports.
@BTSflyer
@BTSflyer 24 дня назад
Sakuu does a dry process too with its batteries.
@edwardhackett-jones8126
@edwardhackett-jones8126 24 дня назад
Sandy’s always astoundingly good value!
@anibalaguilarperez29
@anibalaguilarperez29 24 дня назад
VERY good explanation!!! ✨
@YouTube_can_ESAD
@YouTube_can_ESAD 23 дня назад
Wait, is t Sandy Munro the clown that raved about the CyberTruck? Dude, it’s a total piece of crap vehicle… Zero respect for Sandy, none.
@davidr3246
@davidr3246 24 дня назад
Great episode.
@highlanderapparel
@highlanderapparel 24 дня назад
Awesome interview Brian, the Highlander😊
@pangert1
@pangert1 24 дня назад
Sandy, my AAA 1200 MAH batteries have the same voltage as my D Cell batteries 10,000 MAH. Voltage is the same, but not the power! 😅 Though you should know! 😅
@JeffWusch
@JeffWusch 24 дня назад
So if it is roll to roll manufacturing, the sakuu battery is revolutionary. But cost to manufacture is always the kicker in new tech
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
I wondered (out loud, on line) years ago... "What if you could Photocopy a battery electrode?" . This MIGHT be it. . (And yes, I do know a little on the subject)
@josephgallagher1440
@josephgallagher1440 23 дня назад
Oh yea this is a game changer! I saw Sandy’s other more detailed video on the Sakuu battery and it’s amazing! This also provides better recycling functionality.
@mrmawson2438
@mrmawson2438 24 дня назад
Cheers guys
@Techridr
@Techridr 24 дня назад
I was hoping Sandy had a thought on Tesla moving to 48 volts on more vehicles. < Speaking of weight savings. I think the "Juniper" Y might be a good opportunity for 48v and drive by wire, but I have a feeling Tesla is so busy with so many other projects that the next Y will likely be only refreshed as much as the "Highland" 3. I also understand that the price point is as important as anything for the Y, but they do have to sell in a more competitive market in 2025 and beyond so I'd expect even more than the 3 "refresh" gave us.
@andrewsaint6581
@andrewsaint6581 24 дня назад
They're working on it. Everything out of Tesla wil be 48v from now on. They published and spammed every other car maker with their "How to do 48v" pdf. Jim Farley confirmed Ford got theirs. This is to make the supply chain grow fast enough. Imo Tesla and the Chinese will be there first. Kind of as usual, then.
@Techridr
@Techridr 23 дня назад
​@@andrewsaint6581 I just don't think so. Until there is a new platform, current refresh vehicles like Model Y "Juniper" will likely not change yet. Look at the "Highland" Model 3. I hoped 48v would happen there, but on a refresh, it likely doesn't make economic sense, so 14.8v remains as it will with the Y. Yeah, the 48v PDF that went to other OEMS happened last year. None of them will make the change anytime soon. Look at Rivian. They just announced a lot of great changes but they're still on 12v. It's going to take time
@LJ-jq8og
@LJ-jq8og 23 дня назад
GREAT VIDEO💪❤
@garyrooksby
@garyrooksby 24 дня назад
We love both Sandy and Brian
@howardholt3530
@howardholt3530 24 дня назад
Buffalo sandy knows a whole lot of stuff!
@Dularr
@Dularr 24 дня назад
Make a Cybertruck that limits towing to 6,000 pounds.
@4literv6
@4literv6 23 дня назад
Has tesla said what the upcoming single motor rwd with 250+miles for 60k in 2025 will be limited to towing? Most of my rwd f-150 xl work trucks are only rated to tow 5,000-7,500#
@johnfrancis4401
@johnfrancis4401 24 дня назад
Great stuff.
@mikesevgarage
@mikesevgarage 23 дня назад
Great questions and very interesting answers. Great video!
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 23 дня назад
You've seen first hand the kind of time I dedicate to prep. Glad it shows in the finished product.
@user-xj5xp6qz5g
@user-xj5xp6qz5g 24 дня назад
all the benefits Sandy stated about that new batt sound too good to be true. I'll believe it when I see it
@chrisbraid2907
@chrisbraid2907 24 дня назад
It’s still in process so we wait and see …
@ConnectingODots
@ConnectingODots 24 дня назад
I do believe it, just that prototypes are easy, production is hard
@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461
@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461 24 дня назад
🙋‍♂️THANKS BRIAN FOR FINALLY SHARING THIS ONE ☝️ AND WE ALREADY WATCHED SANDY’s TOUR 🤯💚💚💚
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
SOME of us already watched the tour. Its quite obvious some didn't (and maybe won't)
@highlanderapparel
@highlanderapparel 24 дня назад
Brian, if you want to do a deep dive on this, you can check out the Budd wheel company out of Detroit well out of Philadelphia. I was a non-degree engineer at Budd wheel for years and we invented the gluing metal parts together and we gave away everything to the big three and others just to get their contracts, if you ever have the time just start looking in the Budd wheel, you’d be amazed, your buddy the Highlander😊
@jdcarguy1242
@jdcarguy1242 24 дня назад
What does Sandy think the CT will cost to manufacture at full scale?
@MrQuay03
@MrQuay03 24 дня назад
Buy his analysis book.
@Dularr
@Dularr 24 дня назад
Bingo, that is where Sandy makes his money. Cost and supply of the Cybertruck.
@pathfollower
@pathfollower 24 дня назад
Elon has stated they can use any kind of battery in their cars. Perhaps they could buy or license the tech of this new battery. I just wish they had access to the new CATL batteries in early testing and production.
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
Since Tesla is their largest customer CATL probably "looks after" Tesla as a ("THE"?) "trusted customer"? (Especially after the "pulling back" debacle)
@JRlabeaux
@JRlabeaux 24 дня назад
All depends on cost per kw. CATL new batteries have promising specs, however I haven’t heard anything on costs.
@andrewsaint6581
@andrewsaint6581 24 дня назад
Brian. You've made it! The crapto spambots have discovered your page.
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 23 дня назад
They've always been here, I just usually get them filtered out
@marinonacci1816
@marinonacci1816 17 дней назад
CATL has 18,000 people working in R&D, 250 of those have Phd's.
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 17 дней назад
That's amazing.
@Decebal825
@Decebal825 23 дня назад
wonder how long does the plastic pouch last before it degrades?
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 23 дня назад
Will be interesting to see.
@Voidroamer
@Voidroamer 24 дня назад
i wish you had asked about all that empty room in the pack! maybe a long range trim in the future? also im excited about those new pouch batteries, but how long to market? and in teslas?
@Lse380
@Lse380 24 дня назад
Tesla now offera a 50 mile additional range via Software Update for model y rwd owners. (1000$)
@4literv6
@4literv6 23 дня назад
With the asp up over 12% in 2024 vs 23 for tesla thanks to getting the ct ramp going well(outselling Ford's rivian&gm ev trucks already. 😀 Adding in the model Y lr rwd&m3 highland lr rwd trims with full tax credit eligibility. I bet q3&q4 are gonna be bangers for tesla. Should end 2024 at 1,900,000+evs sold maybe even 2,000,000! 👍🏻
@robertcessaro6201
@robertcessaro6201 24 дня назад
What will that square battery mean for the structural battery pack design?
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
The square "floppy" battery?
@andrewradford3953
@andrewradford3953 24 дня назад
An armoured box like the cybertruck. Foam to lock them in place. Thermal control will be interesting through plastic.
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 24 дня назад
Can't see it being structural.
@kurtmissotten5965
@kurtmissotten5965 24 дня назад
Hi Brain. A possible question for Sandy could be, what changes tesla would have to do to make the Cybertruck road legal in Europe. This in regards to pedestrian safety which by itself is utterly ridiculous since any tesla alarms you if you get near one. See you on X! Greetings from Belgium!
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
"Brian"
@TeslaOwnersSV
@TeslaOwnersSV 23 дня назад
🤯🤯🤯
@rowanbroekman3929
@rowanbroekman3929 24 дня назад
It looks like an interesting battery, but I still haven't heard much specs. Can they mass produce it? Can they make a battery pack for for example a Tesla model 3?
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
Research
@nononsenseBennett
@nononsenseBennett 24 дня назад
When I saw Sandy's video on this new battery I was so excited! It's a revolutionary change and a huge game changer. I hope Tesla adopts it.
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
The phrase is "Has great potential (battery pun?) to be a huge game changer"
@mrmawson2438
@mrmawson2438 24 дня назад
No big battery needed wow saku 👍
@cmac7384
@cmac7384 24 дня назад
Sakuu how many cycles does it last? We're up to 2500 to 3000 on normal batteries.
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
According to the report by Sandy last week, its "Chemically Agnostic" requiring a patented proprietary process to prepare the materials for use in this cell. Cycle life should be variable dependent on the chemistry.... As with other cells.
@4literv6
@4literv6 23 дня назад
Sakuu showed 1,200+cycles and retaining 80-85% of the originally capacity. Check the munro live longer video from a few weeks ago! So at 200 miles of rated range they are good for 250,000+miles easily. 😎
@Iamthedude-is5ov
@Iamthedude-is5ov 24 дня назад
The zoom in on the face is crazy.
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 24 дня назад
The Sakuu w/o metal looks impossible to cool. Is there really so little resistance?
@xlargetophat
@xlargetophat 24 дня назад
Sounds like B's to me
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
​@@xlargetophat You'll be an "expert" then?
@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461
@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461 24 дня назад
BRIAN,I DON’T THINK 🤔 SANDY BEGAN TO TELL YOU “all he knows “ BECAUSE HE KNOWS ALOT 😁💚💚💚
@edmundjakopchek9836
@edmundjakopchek9836 23 дня назад
Hey, AZA10 did not work, only got the 5% discount on my order😥
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 23 дня назад
I'll message him.
@edwardhackett-jones8126
@edwardhackett-jones8126 24 дня назад
These new batteries that he’s talking about - maybe I missed it, but will they work in a structural pack?
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 23 дня назад
I can't see how, but very few manufacturers use them yet.
@TheLobo91
@TheLobo91 22 дня назад
Sakko chemistry seems very stable hopfully the density is better than 4680. I think tesla will just make their cells taller or hopfully switch to square lfp cells for cheaper vehicles. We need usa based LFP. Their LFP vehicles have basically the same range as their 2170 cars. We need cheaper options that qualify for thw tax credits.
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 22 дня назад
Tesla is working on domestic LFP production. They bought equipment earlier this year for just that.
@ctuna2011
@ctuna2011 24 дня назад
Get Sandy to comment on the current state of FSD and speculated on Robotaxi maybe.
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
Sandy tends not to speculate too much.... It's a wise position to take.
@kentkjrgaardjensen4304
@kentkjrgaardjensen4304 23 дня назад
So will tesla keep doing 4680 or will they shift to this new tech? 🤔
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 23 дня назад
Tesla doesn't appear to be looking at it at this time. If they're market validated they could make their way into China made models. None of those use structural packs.
@kentkjrgaardjensen4304
@kentkjrgaardjensen4304 23 дня назад
@@FutureAZA ahh true. Tesla need structural packs but maybe these pouches can be made structural as well if the hard adhesive is applied
@mrrolandlawrence
@mrrolandlawrence 24 дня назад
im just waiting for some consumer gear to use these batteries. less batteries = less fuss.
@mauinuts8844
@mauinuts8844 24 дня назад
The Sakuu pouch battery still uses Lithium no?
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
Your first question should be "Is there anything about this on Munro live?" If there was, you MIGHT watch that and see if there was an answer to your question.... Maybe?
@Ken.Howard
@Ken.Howard 22 дня назад
"Disses" not "Dishes"!
@AbideVibe
@AbideVibe 23 дня назад
Why won't Elon use Sandy's favorite battery tech?
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 23 дня назад
It hasn't been commercialized and isn't structural.
@51bpm
@51bpm 9 дней назад
I believe in the mission... but no longer the man
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 9 дней назад
It's a growing concern. He's made clear he's not afraid of being hated. Would just be nice if he understood the position of power that comes with a megaphone of that caliber.
@mrmawson2438
@mrmawson2438 24 дня назад
I only have a small saku
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 24 дня назад
I feel your pain, brother.
@l.p.bilham9852
@l.p.bilham9852 24 дня назад
cybertruck+sakuu= ?
@KrustyKlown
@KrustyKlown 3 дня назад
Cylindrical cells NEVER made sense for vehicles. Tesla only used them because that was the only thing available when they started building cars ... making all their processes, mfg equipment, and designs dependant on cylindrical cells. Change is hard, eventually they will switch.
@wonderplanet343
@wonderplanet343 14 дней назад
Intro guitar and “ohhs” are way too loud compared to the voice level. ❤
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 14 дней назад
Will mention it to the editor.
@keithpeterson9560
@keithpeterson9560 24 дня назад
A few things come at me, did Sandy actually mean anodize because anodize is an anodic coating and does not typically conduct? Alodine is a chemical conversion coating and is so thin the metals still conduct which could cause a galvanic response. Second, can the new flat battery double as a structural battery pack as the 4680 cylindrical canister does (dual use)? Last, what is up with Sandy’s body language. He seems to have lost his jubilance and fanboy attitude. Did he get a Ross Gerber type smackdown from someone at Tesla? He publicly stated he thinks vision is not enough for FSD. I believe he said something about inferred heat sensors awhile back.
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
Have you LOOKED on Munro Live for the battery? smh
@dennisboyd1712
@dennisboyd1712 24 дня назад
BUY TESLA STOCK Now
@Liam-ql7tr
@Liam-ql7tr 24 дня назад
What about the Tesla “graphene” battery?
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
Specify
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
The usual list of "IMPOSSIBLE" comments from those who haven't actually LOOKED for any more information? . You can find MORE information, of ANY type, MORE easily than ever before. JUST USE THE TOOLS PROVIDED INSTEAD OF ASKING BASIC QUESTIONS OR DISMISSING SOMETHING OUT OF HAND!!? . smh²
@MTHDCS
@MTHDCS 23 дня назад
Coming from a Detroit "engineer" that designed cars in the 70's & 80's that rusted out in a year or two and then he blamed management for the Japanese invasion that ensued!
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 23 дня назад
Do you imagine those were things he had control over?
@ChristoherWGray
@ChristoherWGray 22 дня назад
Sure Increase the battery capacity with magic over the air What?
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 22 дня назад
It isn't magic. It's something Tesla has done in the past, and is currently offering on some models. They software limit the capacity for a variety of reasons, in this case potential degradation, and make a greater percentage available once it's fully tested.
@richardalexander5758
@richardalexander5758 24 дня назад
Two more normal windshield wipers would be a nice update for the CT IMO.
@aaronbounds1336
@aaronbounds1336 24 дня назад
Efficiency decrease with two traditional wipers in the traditional location and orientation on the truck.
@richardalexander5758
@richardalexander5758 23 дня назад
@@aaronbounds1336 Not if parked in the "up" position, just shorter.
@davidhuber6251
@davidhuber6251 24 дня назад
I hate to be pedantic. (I'm lying, I love to be pedantic. I am the Pedant's pedant.) If you google "Diss" vs "Dish" you will find that "diss" is disrespect (which is what I think you meant to say) and "dish" means to prepare and serve up. I'll show myself out.
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
Bowled over by your critique (😉)
@xlargetophat
@xlargetophat 24 дня назад
But what's the caveat? Disadvantage of this battery...
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
Maybe research it to find out?
@xlargetophat
@xlargetophat 24 дня назад
​@@rogerstarkey5390I'm trying.. but I wish Sandy would lay into it more.
@xlargetophat
@xlargetophat 24 дня назад
The new "condensed battery", is looking interesting.. from CATL
@philipcunio4089
@philipcunio4089 24 дня назад
Sandy has ozembic face. That appears to be how He lost weight.
@jackylsmith8138
@jackylsmith8138 24 дня назад
Tesla hasn’t been making batteries a long time. They have had partners that make their batteries. Tesla bought a company with the dry anode and cathode process, took the patents for it and sold the company off. Tesla itself has only made 4680’s and it’s been battery hell.
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 24 дня назад
Yes!
@KTPurdy
@KTPurdy 22 дня назад
Fit and finish on the cybertruck is pathetic.
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 22 дня назад
I guess I've seen more of them than you have
@KTPurdy
@KTPurdy 21 день назад
@@FutureAZA Get closer
@BTSflyer
@BTSflyer 24 дня назад
Sorry but, Tesla is not the end all be all in automotive tech.
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
And your credentials to qualify that statement are?
@BTSflyer
@BTSflyer 24 дня назад
@@rogerstarkey5390 Many companies invent plenty of cutting edge tech other than Tesla, quit being a Tesla fanboy and open your eyes.
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 24 дня назад
It's a combination of factors that give them a unique advantage.
@BTSflyer
@BTSflyer 17 дней назад
@@FutureAZA That gap in advantage is closing fast. Good to see Mr. Munro recognizing that others companies have great tech too.
@MyUniversalUniversity
@MyUniversalUniversity 23 дня назад
Love Sandy, but he is not always accurate with batteries. I doubt this battery will come out at a less expensive price than current batteries. I am not real smart on batteries, but I have seen at least 5 companies come out with breakthrough tech and nothing has come 3 to 5 years later. We will see!!
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 23 дня назад
We've seen endless promises of a miracle battery, but they never materialize.
@gegwen7440
@gegwen7440 24 дня назад
Would any sane person spend their hard earned (?) money buying a Cybertruck well IMO no !
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 24 дня назад
"Imo"... More than would buy a Lightning (just going by Q2)
@waynerussell6401
@waynerussell6401 24 дня назад
2 million and counting...
@mattsparks5957
@mattsparks5957 24 дня назад
I would buy one. Here are a few reasons why: 1 Elon is awesome 2 Tesla is non UAW 3 Cybertruck is most USA made. 4 Tesla is not woke 5 Cybertruck is awesome 6 People hate Cybertruck 7 Joe Biden hates Elon and Tesla 8 Ten year warranty 9 Can charge at home
@mini2nut67
@mini2nut67 18 дней назад
Saku for the win!!!
@YouTube_can_ESAD
@YouTube_can_ESAD 23 дня назад
Wait, isn’t Sandy Munro the gentleman that raved about the CyberTruck? Dude, it’s a total piece of crap vehicle… Zero respect for Sandy, none. I purchased a Model 3 thanks to his excited reviews but boy was it a lemon. So thankful to get out from under it… Thanks for spewing lies and pumping my Tesla stock, I funded my retirement from it, but dude is clearly compromised.
@FutureAZA
@FutureAZA 23 дня назад
Back to your drawing board, my eager little friend. That damp sack of wet trash wouldn't even sell on facebook, and you're trying the routine here? Among people who actually know better? I want to give you a D-minus just so you pass the class and we don't have to deal with you again, but it's not even on the border. That was a bad, BAD comment.
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