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Sara Hess and the Fan-Ficification of House of the Dragon 

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@savagebooks7482
@savagebooks7482 12 часов назад
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@王征服
@王征服 11 часов назад
17:26 I've now learned a new word from you ("apoplectic") and now am going to use it in my speech whenever I want to describe "stupid mad pissed".
@GodKingReiss
@GodKingReiss 11 часов назад
Remember when George R. R. Martin briefly touched upon how much civilian lives matter in his setting? Just a little think piece called A FEAST FOR CROWS.
@lordfreerealestate8302
@lordfreerealestate8302 9 часов назад
Also, something I noticed... Sarah Hess when the civilians are being killed by Greens, like Aemond in S2: frames it as Aemond "raining down terror upon the small folk because it makes him feel strong", or Aegon "killing innocent men" Sarah Hess when girlboss Rhaenys of the Blacks kills innocent people, Rhaenyra launches a bloody war for her own power, or lining up dragonseeds as young as children to be burned by Vermithor: "civilians don't count" And this is true is multiple cases, the rules of morality and the way actions are presented conveniently when they come from a particular side. It's like Rhaenyra/girlboss-centered morality.
@angellover02171
@angellover02171 6 часов назад
Most of the book readers hated Feast and Dance.
@hamzamahmood9565
@hamzamahmood9565 5 часов назад
George never cared about civilian lives, innocent or otherwise
@VictorIV0310
@VictorIV0310 4 часа назад
@@hamzamahmood9565?
@spacecowboy5486
@spacecowboy5486 4 часа назад
​@@angellover02171I never heard someone hating on Feast honestly, it's great
@SuperRainbol
@SuperRainbol 10 часов назад
DnD didn't "ran out of book material" they had enough book material after season 4 to make AT LEAST 2 more season, but they decided to shove almost 2 books in the first half of season 5 and then rushed to the end of the story. DnD got bored with the show after season 4, that's why they rejected more and more extra episodes just so they could end as soon as possible
@lordfreerealestate8302
@lordfreerealestate8302 9 часов назад
One of my few critiques of this otherwise great vid by a great creator is that he was WAY too generous with D&D. They deliberately cut the show short so they could make a Star Wars film that got cancelled anyway, fired all the other writers for sole credit, bullied the cast and crew horribly. They tried to force Margery's actress to do a s*x scene with a 16-year-old boy but she refused. Several cast members said they were traumatized, injured, or endangered on set. There have been multiple vids exposing D&D as frauds and toxic/incompetent. If not for D&D, the show would likely have ended on a better note. D&D are the nepo-baby sons of billionaires whose dads bought their way into the industry. They had little experience or skill, and pretty much coasted on the skills of those around them until they couldn't fake it anymore.
@SuperRainbol
@SuperRainbol 8 часов назад
@@lordfreerealestate8302 nah, I do not know anything about the toxic environment on set so maybe you right on that but DnD are good writers and directors, they can make phenomenal TV and they showed that for 4 seasons, it's nonsense to try to say now that they had no part on the good seasons just because they fucked it up the later half. DnD could have adapted the last 2 books just as well as they did the first 3 and then they could have given the show a good original ending, they had the talent for it. The problem is that they got bored after the red wedding and didn't want to do it properly
@TheRedHaze3
@TheRedHaze3 4 часа назад
@@SuperRainbol What made the first 4 seasons work is GRRM. He was heavily involved until he had to step back before season 5 began to focus on other projects, and season 5 is where the series sees a noticeable decline in quality. Even before that, though, you can see the cracks if you're looking closely. E.g. Jon Snow is almost a completely different character in the show. Show Jon has none of the moral complexity of his book counterpart. All of Book Jon's conflicts are some moral dilemma, while Show Jon is just a straightforward good guy action hero. D&D completely ruined Tyrion's character. He literally has no character arc after he kills Tywin. Why? Because Jaime never tells Tyrion that Tysha wasn't a whore he paid to love Tyrion like he does in the books. Game of Thrones was always going to fail, because D&D didn't actually do that good of a job adapting ASOIAF. It's just that you can't see the shitty foundation until it all comes crumbling down. Although even then, because they did such a horrible job with the rest of the house, most people don't even realise there was a problem with the foundation.
@SuperRainbol
@SuperRainbol 3 часа назад
​@@TheRedHaze3 Martin was not heavily involved in making Game of Thrones, he helped some episodes but overall he just gave DnD his notes. He even said that he wish he had done some things like DnD did like with the Osha character. Your examples show how wrong you are since show's Jon Snow has the same moral problems as book's Jon in the 4 first season (Staying in the wall vs going to help Robb, respecting Craster customs vs basic human decency, loyalty to half-hand's last order vs loyalty to his vows, Iggritte vs the Watch, and so on). And you said they ruined Tyrion in season 4 but your only example is in what came afterwards, and of the changes they made to Tyrion him not asking people "where whores go" (since that's all that revelation changed him) is not even in the top 5 of the ones that made him a bad character from season 5 onwards. You are just wrong.
@SuperRainbol
@SuperRainbol 3 часа назад
@@TheRedHaze3 ​ Martin was not heavily involved in making Game of Thrones, he helped some episodes but overall he just gave DnD his notes. He even said that he wish he had done some things like DnD did like with the Osha character. Your examples show how wrong you are since show's Jon Snow has the same moral problems as book's Jon in the 4 first season (Staying in the wall vs going to help Robb, respecting Craster customs vs basic human decency, loyalty to half-hand's last order vs loyalty to his vows, Iggritte vs the Watch, and so on). And you said they ruined Tyrion in season 4 but your only example is in what came afterwards, and of the changes they made to Tyrion him not asking people "where whores go" (since that's all that revelation changed him) is not even in the top 5 of the ones that made him a bad character from season 5 onwards. You are just wrong.
@johnstajduhar9617
@johnstajduhar9617 9 часов назад
Tom Glynn Carney is 99% of the reason Aegon II comes off so interesting and sympathetic. He absolutely gets it and makes the most of every scene he's in, whether its big or small.
@phloxenheim
@phloxenheim 11 часов назад
This is legit good faith analysis and I hope it gets the traction it deserves and not just hand waived like all other criticism of season 2.
@CloudMountainJuror
@CloudMountainJuror 5 часов назад
This comment singlehandedly makes it likely I’ll actually watch the video. There’s been so much bad faith criticism of season 2 and the thumbnail for this video is super clickbait-y, so thanks for the heads up that it’s actually substantive.
@cupidsfavouritecherub9327
@cupidsfavouritecherub9327 4 часа назад
Yeah it's tough criticizing a woman in media these days, since people just assume anyone who does so is a misogynistic right-wing chud. And tbh there is a lot of hate due to misogyny going around but we should not overcorrect and downplay the terrible effect she's had on HoTD.
@Kam_i_
@Kam_i_ 8 часов назад
LocalScriptMan on youtube says that characters are not people, and I feel like that’s what Sarah gets wrong about the portrayal of Aegon. She keeps bringing up real men without acknowledging that story beats within a narrative are placed in strategic ways - that’s why Joffery’s most prominent introductory scene is when Tyrion slaps him and he screams for his mother, and not Joffery’s torture and murder of sex workers from the later seasons.
@quinnjackson731
@quinnjackson731 11 часов назад
"Alicent and Rhaenyra 'come' together for the climax" 😳😂😂
@slyscout101
@slyscout101 12 часов назад
You literally posted this right as I’m taking off for an hour and a half drive. What a mad lad 😂
@wisdommanari6701
@wisdommanari6701 11 часов назад
Be safe
@lolbrunopt
@lolbrunopt 7 часов назад
​@@wisdommanari6701the road is dark and full of terrors
@Turuial
@Turuial 6 часов назад
It's dangerous to go alone. You should take this with you.
@devoid4661
@devoid4661 11 часов назад
People would not be upset with the scene if it didnt take up precious screen time during the finale and called the "highlight of the series" by one of the writers it felt like salt in the wound after such a disappointing finale
@HK-gm8pe
@HK-gm8pe 9 минут назад
yeah... I actually also dont understand why they had to make Rhaenyra and Alicent almost like have some romantic connection...thats strange to me,...these 2 should be mortal enemies , they hated eachother...yes Rhaenyra had a thing with Laena which they cut from the show but never did she ever consider to have any feelings for Alicent
@lonegirl2183
@lonegirl2183 8 часов назад
I do find it interesting that Mysaria, a character that was involved in sex trafficking of women and children in the books, is literally turned into the opposite in the show, considering what was done to Aegon.
@Stay_Zerose
@Stay_Zerose 10 часов назад
I think what people miss is that Hess is very good at writing small scale interactions. If you give her a scene between no more than 5 character's she can do something amazing with it. The problem is she doesn't tend to pair these moments with the wider narrative, what she writes doesn't consider all of the context surrounding the moment. Again make her do something on a large scale juggling too many character's and she often falls flat, either by mischaracterising existing characters or under developing and devaluing new ones. She makes choices which benefit the scene she is writing in that moment, rather than what advances the narrative as a whole. This is why she is very good a character driven shows where in many way's each episode is very self contained, but falls flat in what is essentially a movie drawn out into a television show to give the story more space to be told. Game or Thrones and House of the Dragon do not have these self-contained scenes, each scene has an impact on the next and sometimes these scene's profoundly impact the show as a whole, so going with the flow for them when you have specific places you have to reach narratively doesn't work. When GRRM writes like this he at most has a few broad strokes, all he really knows when he sits down to write the dance is that *spoiler* Rhaenrya does not become queen, but she ends up with 2 sons that become king and that all the dragon's essentially die off. This is broad enough that he has a lot of free reign with the character's and is given room to explore numerous plot lines through the many perspectives. Hess has to adapt what is already there, she has to write in the context of multiple battles, character deaths and long term arcs which are by in large set in stone. She like GRRM himself struggles to write what has already been set in stone, she want's to do thing in a scene because it feels right not because it meaningfully enhances the plot or themes. This is easier to do in Season 1 because any mis-steps or character driven scenes have a lot of room to be developed off screen in the time skips. Without the skips we essentially see characters flipping to make the most impact and then ignoring it in a following scene which just makes the story feel disconnected.
@lordfreerealestate8302
@lordfreerealestate8302 11 часов назад
Problems with s2 IMO: 1. Moving too far from the gray, no-heroes nature of GRRM 2. Bias against the Greens and the writer's own agendas 3. Girlbossification of Rhaenyra (which def resembles fanfiction) 4. whatever in the Seven God's names that Daemon-alabamaing-his-mom scene was 5. the lack of clear cohesion, direction, and sense between s1 and s2 6. Completely disregarding the characters' core traits and their motivations 7. Even as a bi person myself, the romance between Rhaenyra and Mysaria felt forced. 8. The half-baked attempts at feminism/social justice that fall flat. Some of the S1 changes worked, IMO. I liked that Jace's death was somewhat of an accident that Aemond regretted, because that made Aemond less of a hand-rubbing supervillain and more deep/vulnerable. I liked the dramatic changes they made to Viserys from the drunken fatso he was in the books ... a change even GRRM applauded and said he wished he wrote. I like that the characters were humanized, sympathetic, flawed and more nuanced at times than cartoonish in their villainy. I don't think Sarah Hess is the ONLY reason the show failed. Other writers played a role too, so it does seem like they are looking for a scapegoat to blame for EVERYTHING - as fanbases often do. Attacking her appearance, relatives, and using slurs are STILL unacceptable, even if her writing in these season was bad. "Civilians don't count" sounds like CLASSISM to me as well as pure silliness. Did she not hear herself?!? If you want to make a feminist show, you can't ignore inequality of any kind (like wealth or class) or gloss over the fact that 50% of the people Rhaenys the Girlboss killed ... were women. It is so disappointing this season let us down when the show was so promising.
@Fanciest-Hobo
@Fanciest-Hobo 8 часов назад
You hit it on the head perfectly
@ambience273
@ambience273 12 часов назад
Nah, Alicent and Rhaenyra scisoring each other in season 3 will be peak fiction.
@alien5589
@alien5589 10 часов назад
*friction
@robinronin
@robinronin 10 часов назад
I'm baffled that it wasn't one (1) woman's fault that an entire season was lackluster?? No, but for real, it's so weird when people pick one person to blame for everything in these situations. This was made by a huge team and everyone has their ups and downs. Sara did some great things, and some meh things. Everyone on the team did some great things and some meh things. The important director guy apparantly left and made the entire season feel off because he wanted to nepotism his wife into a director job with zero experience, which is probably the most obnoxious GOT-related thing I've ever heard. If we need to blame one person, can we blame him?
@ahealthkit2745
@ahealthkit2745 6 часов назад
I'd be more willing to blame HBO in general. The entire reason the show exists is because of a profit motive & a successful series (GOT). Realistically, if you want to blame anyone for the enshittification of GOT, blame fucking HBO!
@alexman378
@alexman378 5 часов назад
Because that’s what always happens. Whoever is at the top of a certain department and seems to have influence is the one who gets the blame. Hess shares it with Condal, because she has been frequently shown in interviews as being the writer with the most influence in her episodes, to the point where the characters stop being consistent to allow for her own way of thinking to enter the script.
@Accomodare
@Accomodare Час назад
Whilst simultaneously trying to actively make the male characters so evil only for them to end up as the most interesting and grey characters in the show. 😂 The lesson here seems to be to not become blind to bias while pushing your own agenda.
@KainBooks
@KainBooks 10 часов назад
My take on Sara Hess is that she is a talented writer who seems unprofessional. The "Internet Boyfriend" comment is a shining example. It's one thing to incorporate certain aspects of your life experiences when creating your own original work. It's another to have it overshadow the task you were hired for. Do your job. She is a commissioned artist for House of the Dragon, not its source material creator. In trying to make Rhaenyra and Alicent more benevolent, she made them into two blithering idiots in season 2. If Hess was trying to prove that women are just as competent or worthy of holding positions of power, she failed if not demonstrated the opposite through Rhaenyra and Alicent.
@ahealthkit2745
@ahealthkit2745 6 часов назад
It's actually kind of amazing how her unique brand of feminist writing incidentally paints the two powerful female characters as boobs that are incapable of doing anything without the help of powerful men and weapons.
@KainBooks
@KainBooks 5 часов назад
@@ahealthkit2745 Neither one has situational awareness. SMH
@erubin100
@erubin100 10 часов назад
It funny, I keep forgetting that Aegon and Rhaenera are siblings because of how apart they are in age.
@arianedealswithsocialanxie8170
@arianedealswithsocialanxie8170 11 часов назад
Glidus and Alt Schwift X have really fun commentary about S2 -- when Rhaenyra said "Princess Aeriana Targaryen" in the show they pointed out how it was impossible for Ser Steffon's ancestor to be a princess, how Targaryen women never married out of the family prior to Rhaenys, and just how fanfic OC this all sounded. EDIT: Targaryen women never married outside the family prior to Jaehaerys' line (see: Daella).
@JadedRosexoxo
@JadedRosexoxo 7 часов назад
Haven’t seen those vids, but could the Targaryen in question be from the period between the Doom and the Conquest? IIRC, there was like a 100 year gap between the two events, it wouldn’t be the craziest thing for a daughter to be married off as part of a trade deal…
@TemariNaraannaschatz
@TemariNaraannaschatz 5 часов назад
There is one Targaryen we know that married outside the family. Daenys granddaughter and it's not uncommon for royalty to retroactivly call their ancestors by titles they did not have, so this is technically possible.
@potatoe9161
@potatoe9161 11 часов назад
I seen this chanel before but only sporadically before, see the thumbnail and expected the worst and I must say never i was more happy to watch the whole video before commenting, absolute positive surprise amazing thoughtful work
@Matkatamiba
@Matkatamiba 11 часов назад
I'm glad someone well spoken and with a sense of nuance has talked about this. I generally think that people are good at knowing things are good/bad, but terrible at knowing why. I don't think such an enormous quantity of people are wrong for saying the show is missing the mark, but they attribute it to dumb shit like "woke", when really it's layers of details like this that end up with the final product the way that it is. I feel like the writers see the feedback and write it off as pointless, wrong, and toxic, which it is, but it's also fans who feel hurt by something they love and want it to be better.
@owlson2527
@owlson2527 11 часов назад
It’s a difficult thing to really interact with. Onehand companies will hand-wave real issues. But on the other hand, the loud voices from the anti-woke crowd go out of their way to hate on media that they WONT EVEN SEE. It’s just a losing battle because the voices that are positive, and people with REAL criticisms, are very much drowned out by the raging tide. 😢
@johnstajduhar9617
@johnstajduhar9617 10 часов назад
That's a big sentiment in videogames, players are excellent at telling you what is or isn't fun, but the solutions are usually harder to figure out than a single comment or review. Seemingly simple fixes or balance changes to a competitive game can have unforeseen consequences or knock-on effects that break other things. I imagine it's similar with reworking plots and narratives, but that might be stretching the comparison.
@JaMeshuggah
@JaMeshuggah 4 часа назад
Couldn't possibly be bad writing, bad companies, AND woke injected trash aren't mutually exclusive.
@TheMikster95
@TheMikster95 3 часа назад
It most certainly is woke to inject something YOU care about in an adaptation that didn’t include that type of content, and worse brings down the story to the point that people who have a shared interest in what you promoted say it’s bad. Adding diverse characters and queer characters is stupid if it doesn’t enhance the story. That’s not being racist or homophobic. That’s good intelligent writing. So when people say “they made it woke” that’s what they mean and they’re correct. Remember south parks “the panderverse-“make her gay and make it lame!” Same thing. I think Laenors homosexuality was handled very well because it directly impacts the story and doenst come out of nowhere, so when you see it, it makes sense. But it worked because Martin knows how to do it properly but Hess is like “oh yay a gay character?! I’m so excited!” It misses the point and ruins the story.
@technojunkie123
@technojunkie123 8 часов назад
Thank you for creating such a comprehensive and in depth look at the behind the scenes reasons why the writing for season 2 faltered. Ngl I was wary at first based on the title because I’ve seen a lot of rage post videos about HOTD S2 (some coherent some just an excuse to attack people who worked on the show) but you did such a fantastic job dissecting both the great and underwhelming aspects of S2’s writing. Kudos to you for doing your research!
@fabiolaliano8620
@fabiolaliano8620 10 часов назад
got did not get bad when they ran out of source material….. they straight up didn’t adapt feastdance
@SeanORaigh
@SeanORaigh 6 часов назад
imagine if they only read the first three books
@AndreH-fx1pr
@AndreH-fx1pr 11 часов назад
What makes it worst is that it was only 8 episodes and we have to wait two years for the next season. I don’t mind a few changes from book to show, but Fire and Blood should have been simple to adapt to screen. and much more exciting. The war of five kings was much more complex and they knocked it out of the park.
@Kam_i_
@Kam_i_ 9 часов назад
Taking away the bite of Rhaenyra felt like we weren’t allowing her to just be angry. I was excited by the queer subtext direction that season 1 had taken, and was hoping that there would be an added level of heartbreak and betrayal to the death of Lucerys at the hands of Allison’s son. I love portrayals of very intimate friendships between young women because it’s so close to my own life. It would have been fascinating to watch that kind of relationship be twisted into a hatred purer than Criston’s for Rhaenyra - both women could be driven mad by their level of hatred for each other - it would have been iconic. I don’t think it would fall into “mad woman” tropes either, because making their conflict more about each other - and cutting back on the amount of men condescending to them, because they’re both so terrifying and commanding, or something - I think there might be a very interesting show there.
@psydrone8
@psydrone8 11 часов назад
I declare this as the best state of HotD video on youtube! The only thing that was lacking is the deleted blog of GG Martin, who actually make some similar points to yours!
@Bjack570
@Bjack570 12 часов назад
6 minutes in and I really appreciate the approach so far. A lot of people just jump on the hate bandwagon without giving it any real meaningful thought, so to see a RU-vidr address the situation with nuance and actually put the work in to understand the complexities of this stuff is very encouraging
@xqt6339
@xqt6339 9 часов назад
I'm not gonna lie, it took me until 43 mins in but I realized you were saying "Game of Throne" and "House of the Dragons", well played.
@jesperburns
@jesperburns 3 часа назад
Mindboggling how they assigned a deranged activist as show writer.
@berserk4souls
@berserk4souls 4 часа назад
You know your writing has caused serious trouble when Aegon “the dipsh*t rapi*t” has become one of the breakout characters on the show. Tom had an impossible challenge and still brought 110% to the role. Even with the writing trying to soften up Alicent and Rhaenyra, it just makes him feel like a underdog.
@alexman378
@alexman378 5 часов назад
Considering what civilians do during the storming of the dragon pit, civilians not only count, they’re pivotal to the process of the whole war and Targaryen dynasty in the long term.
@SRosenberg203
@SRosenberg203 11 часов назад
31:00 What's so bonkers is that she actually does make a really good point in that one quote, and she's correct about how women are commonly portrayed throughout history. What she fails to understand though is that biased history tends to come in caricatures, rather than inventing shit out of whole cloth. No, Rhaenyra probably didn't put on 50 pounds after her pregnancy and spend her time stuffing her face with deserts as Septon Eustace implies. But different women have different bodies, that carry weight differently after pregnancy. Some women don't struggle at all to lose pregnancy weight and others do. It's entirely sensible to assume that Septon Eustace, who was both a partisan of Aegon and a member of a religious order not known for its positive views of women, would represent Rhaenyra in a deliberately unflattering way where he could. But Hess's assertion that he basically jusst made up that she got fat after being pregnant because he's a supporter of the Patriarchy is such a wildly excessive over-correction. It's so frustrating, because she come so close to actually being able to have a serious conversation about gender roles in a patriarchal feudal society, and how women who exercise power in defiance of social convention are represented in historical sources, but she completely torpedoes the possibility to have a good faith conversation about the subject by taking the position she takes.
@lordfreerealestate8302
@lordfreerealestate8302 9 часов назад
Sarah Hess has a very poor grasp on feminism ... as a serious feminist myself. Like saying poor people don't count, it's okay for women to crush other women with their dragons, treating women as if they can never do anything wrong and have no agency is a gross misunderstanding of feminism and what social justice should be about. Her ideas of representation are surface-level tokenism that feel forced, like the random kiss between Mysaria and Rhaenyra, or the awkward shipping between Allicent and Rhaenyra. And I'm bi myself, for crying out loud. Sarah Hess is a privileged woman -esp socially and financially - that makes her apathy towards the poor come off a lot worse.
@angellover02171
@angellover02171 6 часов назад
Rhaenyra had 6 pregnancies that we know of with most likely about the same amount of miscarriages.
@nualawillman8735
@nualawillman8735 5 часов назад
To be fair, I do actually think that is reasonable to be assumed as a made up and intentionally slanderous detail SOLELY because I think it’s genuinely weird that the time is taken in the chronicling of the dance of the dragons to say that both Rhaenyra AND Syrax are fat and lazy/entitled. I agree that her actually being fat isn’t really a bag thing and would have been a fine detail to include but I do think it’s legitimately baseless propaganda. Rhaenyra and Syrax are fat and entitled and that’s deliberately a contrast in the source material to Aegon II and Sunfyre “the most beautiful dragon”. And often if you’re trying to slander a woman you’d go for looks. So I actually agree in part with the rationale here 🤷🏻
@user-pc9px8nu1o
@user-pc9px8nu1o 38 минут назад
HOTD takes a massive shit on one of the central themes of ASOIAF, which is that the whole social structure, the lords, kings, knights, small folk, is all completely arbitrary. The good characters are not good because they are highborn, they are good because they choose to be. Some of the lords are just straight up evil, and in the fighting between the lords, the true loser is the small folk. But then we get to HOTD, and I think maybe yeah, the small folk actually do deserve no rights, because they are SO STUPID. Throughout s2, Rhaenyra is stopping imports to KL, kills Aegon’s son, and Osama Bin-Rhaenys is on her side, so everyone in KL should despise her. Then halfway through the season she sends them some food and all the small folk are like “eh yeah you know what, this Rhaenyra person might have a point.” Did NOBODY have an uncle or like a kid or a mom or something at Aegon’s coronation?? Wheres the people in KL wanting to take up arms for Aegon and kill Rhaenys? Then they parade Melys’ head through the street and the small folk are like “oof mate bloody bad omen that one is.” Not ONE person is like “thank the gods that bloody terrorist killed me nan”?? Such a terrible writing decision that obviously spiraled into a giant plot hole. Writers need to stop trying to add stuff to adaptations. The original author already thought of all your ideas for changes during the writing process, but then realized how STUPID it would be if they wrote that.
@icon_o_clast
@icon_o_clast 7 часов назад
I find myself thinking "that's kinda dumb" while watching it, while feeling like I like it... Now I suddenly realized it's the great cast I'm so drawn to in this show.
@morganherring6958
@morganherring6958 11 часов назад
I literally just finished binging every Song of Ice and Fire related video on your channel cause I love your analysis so much and then you post this. What lovely, serendipitous timing!
@AntoineVello
@AntoineVello 10 часов назад
Bravo Savage, I had some notes I planned to make however you per usual are an informed professional and addressed them. I still am of the opinion that HBO cut the episodes for whatever reason, and this combined with the writer's strike led to a lot of rough scenes of S2 being unfixed.
@ElCalavera89
@ElCalavera89 11 часов назад
You did a fantastic job putting into words many things that bothered me I couldn't articulate properly. Absolute great video.
@jaycollins2036
@jaycollins2036 5 часов назад
I'm sure when Peter Jackson was adapting Lord of the Rings, he brought on Philipa Boyens for a "fresh set of eyes" not because she was a massive fan of the series they were adapting on top of being a talented writer. Im honestly sick and tired of this bs. When did filmmakers stop making films for fans and start making them for themselves. Its completely ass backwards.
@TheMikster95
@TheMikster95 4 часа назад
If Sara Hess continues not caring about the civilians, it’s gonna ruin a major plot development that’s pivotal to climax of the story.
@runestonerainwater7616
@runestonerainwater7616 8 часов назад
More long essays like this please! I'm going to be rewatching this one 🌈 as a trans man I love the way you dove into Lohar's character and placement in the finale, because as a trans man I was also very confused while watching the finale.
@Vztahovacna
@Vztahovacna Час назад
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU, for delving into the Criston/Rhaenyra fiasco. I've seen no other creator address how there's functionally no difference between Rhaenyra and Aegon when it comes to consent and abusing their powerful position in order to get sex, and fandom has been doing outright r*ape apologia about it for YEARS.
@MattyCamachio
@MattyCamachio 25 минут назад
I was wanting someone to make a super long video on the major major issues this show has and I wish this was longer but this will suffice. Great work man
@jaredmoyes81
@jaredmoyes81 8 часов назад
Savage books? Nah. More like Savage in the gym. Bruh. Are you swoll, or are your arms just happy to see me?
@Bakasama04
@Bakasama04 43 минуты назад
The Rogue Prince is gonna get ruined so hard next season i can feel it.
@paintedember3684
@paintedember3684 7 часов назад
"Luthor is a twink." ......Yeah, yep- that's it- that's what's gonna make my week. Excuse me while I find a throw pillow to stitch this on.
@PhotosaurusFlex
@PhotosaurusFlex 8 часов назад
I legit feel like Harry Potter is the only successful translation from a book to a movie, considering how many movies, how long the series was. It was faithful. I can't think of a second example.
@jaycollins2036
@jaycollins2036 5 часов назад
...LOTR?
@aimanmarzuqi4804
@aimanmarzuqi4804 3 часа назад
I think LOTR is a good second example
@j-rey-
@j-rey- 19 минут назад
Eh, I think the Harry Potter movies were just okay. Too many of the directors after Chris Columbus tried putting their own unique spins on the series, leading to a lot of important content to be cut, extraneous scenes added, weird tone shifts, forced humor, etc.
@TheMcMaxwell
@TheMcMaxwell 2 часа назад
I don't think the problem of a lack of consequences is limited to the expectations of the Game of Thrones fanbase... I'd argue it's just bad writing in general. GoT didn't invent consequences. I'd expect any show which is meant to be taken seriously to have cause and effect, setup and payoff, action and reaction.
@PeachesHoneyBun
@PeachesHoneyBun 10 часов назад
seasons 1-4 of GOT were anything but a "beat for beat" adaptation of the books. it's D&D severely misunderstanding that this is a fantasy story, not just politics, and cutting off all magical elements and characters that ruined the show in the long run. it's a little tiring hearing that they "ran out of source material", when there was plenty of source material they chose to ignore, like the pretty much the entirety of book 5. with that said they were great at adapting the politics of the story, but ASOIAF is so much more than that.
@senkakulenovic856
@senkakulenovic856 3 часа назад
I often compare GoT/HotD to turkish drama series Magnificent Century, evolving around Sultan Suleyman's harem and his wife, Hurrem - extremly ambitious, smart and proud woman who worked within extremly patriarhical society - used it, and worked beyond it to secure power for herself and her sons, achieving what not many women of those times couldn't. Of course, it has elements of telenovela at times, and many misinterpreted facts used to prolong and entertain audience as any show does, but as autor of this video emphasized as important - it did work with the available historic material - it did follow main events, and believe me, many of them were as tragic and horrendeous as in GoT, if not worse, especially having in mind the series is based on real-life events.
@cupidsfavouritecherub9327
@cupidsfavouritecherub9327 4 часа назад
OMG I've been talking about that S1 scene since it aired, like she is literally his boss, holding his life in her hands, he legitimately could not refuse her. Rhaenyra genuinely r*ped Cole but people were saying it's "hot" and "a perfect female gaze sex scene". Then now he's lambasted as "hating rhaenyra because she rejected him" when she literally FORCED him to break his vows, something that obviously deeply affected him. They really did him the dirtiest imo its sad how people can only see victim-blaming when it goes one way
@toshcameron366
@toshcameron366 10 часов назад
"She had kids and got fat." How is that sexist that happens to a lot of women who don't live in Hollywood sounds fatphobic.
@angellover02171
@angellover02171 6 часов назад
Women beauty is seen as more important than being smart. So Rhynera being fat would be worse than being dumb. Also, pitting both women against each other because of their looks is sexist.
@KingSlayer_.
@KingSlayer_. 7 часов назад
This season ruined the whole show. I knew it wasn't going to live up to the hype after they bungled the Blood and cheese plot the way they did. Disgusting.
@lennoxwilliamsart7387
@lennoxwilliamsart7387 Час назад
I felt soo uncomfortable when Rhaenyra started undressing Cole and he was frozen. I felt like he didn't "defend" himself because he didn't really realize what was happening and then he told her to stop D: he didn't consent and she put him into biiig trouble. And we shalll ... no, I cannot see anything positive about Rhaenyra in that situation
@VictorIV0310
@VictorIV0310 11 часов назад
It’s about time.
@cupid1313pr
@cupid1313pr 12 часов назад
Dont think we are just gonna ignore the Tokyo Ghoul theme in the background.
@overheaven8875
@overheaven8875 9 часов назад
This video was so measured and thorough, great work man
@PohatuEudyptulaMinor
@PohatuEudyptulaMinor Час назад
Brilliant analysis and insight, the behind the scenes interviews definitely opened my eyes to what the rationale was behind those decisions
@wisdommanari6701
@wisdommanari6701 11 часов назад
Let's Fucking Go Savage
@CrazyMama75
@CrazyMama75 10 минут назад
Film/TV is always gonna be different from the books, they're gonna have different perspectives and focuses, it's inevitable. Two versions of the same story for the most part. One of the perks of TV/film is that we can adapt books to more modern sentimentalities, such as a more diverse cast which is more important in TV/film than in books, cos books are written by one person (or a small group of authors) for countless readers who can include their own diversity when they read the book, what the author wants to to understand is more subjective. But TV/film is written and produced by teams of people, ideally diverse teams of people, and need to cater to diverse audiences. So it's natural they'll be some differences tween books and TV/film, so long as the core values/morals/story is maintained then TV/film can play around with the story/characters.
@Anyangas
@Anyangas 7 часов назад
What an amazing and well structured analysis. Great argumentation, presented in an interesting and engaging way
@ivanbluecool
@ivanbluecool 11 часов назад
Every change is a butterfly effect. And they just keep going in the mess. Like got when cersie had a child with Robert or how they justify rhegar leaving his wife by adding divorce which didn't happen or exist
@NotYurAverageJoe
@NotYurAverageJoe Час назад
Thumbnail does not do the good faith criticism justice
@kekero540
@kekero540 3 часа назад
Every statement I hear from her makes me scratch my chin and go “what do you mean by that?”
@arfannawazkhan9075
@arfannawazkhan9075 19 минут назад
I’m around 30 mins into the video n - I still can’t wrap my head around the choice of words - what’s ‘pro feminist views’ what’s inserting her queerness n followed by her agendas means - are you saying the show is bad cuz it doesn’t platform anti feminist views, are you saying that her queerness or is something that someone makes a choice to ‘insert’ and that it has no place in got - and only straight people interpretation matters- the closested gay man story is better rather than some other thing as it appeals to the straight- Emma being non binary is a good cuz we get to mark off a checklist ‘ it’s inclusive’ but don’t actually show gender queerness we have appeal to the straight. What ever valid criticism you have can still be told without having to resort to bigoted talking points or word’s which operate as dog whistles and how can one tell otherwise.
@VictorIV0310
@VictorIV0310 15 минут назад
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@nathancarter8239
@nathancarter8239 9 часов назад
I was nervous coming into this video. A lot of these comments reek of culture war conflict, and people can often hate or uplift something for the wrong reasons. I don't think I fully agree with your points about adaptations (in particular, _Fire and Blood_ seems an almost-perfect book to adapt loosely since it's written unreliably) but your analysis was even-handed and even empathetic. In particular, I think the situation with Abigail Thorne/Lohar was laid out very well, and I was surprised by your take that it was too much and too little: too much because it's taking up a lot of screen-time, and too little because it's supposed to have this big impact that isn't there. I think the appropriation of fanfiction terms for professional writing is also causing a lot of issues for watchers of the series. It's being used as a shorthand to dismiss the writing as juvenile in a way that denigrates the actually really good fanfiction that's out there, similarly to how "Mary Sue" was used a few years ago to describe competent female leads. It's distracting from the actual issues of the show and it's myopic about where quality writing can be found.
@Ae7herium
@Ae7herium 8 часов назад
The thumbnail isn't doing that perception any favors.
@RiseeRee
@RiseeRee 5 часов назад
The Lohar thing as Ryan described it is so similar to a character from Brandon Sanderson’s Stormlight Archive. The character is female, but she works in a traditionally male role. People under her refer to her as a male because they can’t wrap their minds around a woman being in that role. She thinks it’s weird but she doesn’t correct them 😂
@conrad4852
@conrad4852 6 часов назад
This was a truly fascinating and fair critique and praise!
@hamzamahmood9565
@hamzamahmood9565 5 часов назад
The best way I could describe House of the Dragon: flawed, but fascinating.
@nolo2484
@nolo2484 12 часов назад
SB Evangelion video when??
@calliclassic
@calliclassic 4 часа назад
This was a really eloquent expression of a lot of my own conflicted thoughts on the season. It was a good faith examination that covered so many different aspects of the season as a whole. I only have one thing I think perhaps you perhaps misunderstood -- I think the character of Lohar was an adaptation of Racallio Ryndoon, who is a man who plays with a lot of gender aspects (like dressing in womens' clothing and using she/her pronouns sometimes), has multiple wives, and is constantly funny/terrifying in a way that I actually found quite accurate to how Thorne portrayed Lohar. Racallio wasn't involved much in the Dance -- he was much more important a few years AFTER the end of the civil war to a totally different character. But I do think Racallio was the inspiration for Lohar's increased role in the tv show. And I think that is what the writers were trying to articulate when they talked about the character of Lohar. I think Lohar is supposed to be a transwoman who is called a man by her crew and people, bc they can't conceive of her being a woman -- just a weird dude. And as long as her traditional masculine traits are present as much she sort of unabashedly presents as a woman, she is able to lead effectively. I could be wrong, but I do think this is the root of the confusion with this character and why it seemed so needlessly complex. I still think it was a TERRIBLE idea to introduce lohar in the middle of the season finale, but I think they are trying to build her up to be a more important player in the leadup to the Gullet, which they seem to want to expand on.
@Gadget-Walkmen
@Gadget-Walkmen 10 часов назад
The value of the show would actually go up if she’s actually responsible for all of these bad things in season 2. Based on what this video has shown, she has to go. The show would BENEFIT GREATLY from her leaving especially for season 3 to come. I didn’t read the book but hearing what we lost for the season 2 ending fills me with such despair that we didn’t get that at all due to arguably her actions. That’s so unfortunate.
@BepisPrince
@BepisPrince 11 минут назад
Unravel in the background fucken gold
@yolooo5081
@yolooo5081 10 часов назад
Very nuance view, and well research.
@stalwartteakettlepotato9879
@stalwartteakettlepotato9879 4 минуты назад
HotD is speed running the same path GoT took. Only it took GoT 6 season to turn to trash, and HotD will do it in a remarkable 3.
@serpico1252
@serpico1252 9 часов назад
Ok but, when will Savage books do Evangelion?
@kekero540
@kekero540 3 часа назад
I think a lot of it had to do with them not being able to do rewrites do to the writers strike. So they all got their first drafts before Sarah could get hers reviewed and edited.
@ramanasai6150
@ramanasai6150 Час назад
That is the photo of aegon the unworthy not viserys.
@kekero540
@kekero540 3 часа назад
I think a lot of it had to do with them not being able to do rewrites do to the writers strike. So they all got their first drafts before Sarah could get hers reviewed and edited. They really should not have gone as grand as they did with House of the Dragon. They should have gone with Dunc and Egg first because a show like that would be far easier to make. That way you can create a strong core of writers. They needed to develop a strong longstanding writing culture. Kind of like how Warhammer handles their property. They have some really good writers and they have ground rules that they (usually) follow.
@asorlokirunarsson9864
@asorlokirunarsson9864 11 часов назад
Did you add Mr. Blue Sky over that Bran the Broken scene or is that something I haven't seen before? I diiiiiied laughing
@bradbee9874
@bradbee9874 7 часов назад
Harwin he's just a good guy? But no though. What paragon of virtue would sire bastards secretly with the Princess? He isn't evil but it is a stretch to say "just a GOOD guy"
@TheMikster95
@TheMikster95 3 часа назад
There is a difference between portraying a closeted gay man (form the book material) and allowing an improvised immersive breaking lesbian kiss that came out of nowhere. There’s a difference between understanding a particular nuance and shoving your entire ideology and background in places it shouldn’t be. It actually doesn’t matter that 3 actors are queer you know why? Because their characters aren’t. Even Laenors homosexuality is a plot device more than a character trait because he actually has goals and hobbies and loves his step kids. It only exists for people to realize that Rhaenyra’s kids are bastards (in the book the Velaryons are not black). I have no problem with queer people writing tv. I do when they inject their ideology in places where it doenst make sense. Even people in the LGBTQ community hated Mysaria and Rhaenyra’s kiss because it had no build up, made no sense, and was after one of the characters revealed their traumatic backstory. What the hell? Be a good writer and adapt a story that’s been written.
@lljkgktudjlrsmygilug
@lljkgktudjlrsmygilug 11 часов назад
Lenin quote about nothing ever happening (In season 2).
@questioningespecialy9107
@questioningespecialy9107 7 часов назад
1:16:18 Hercules was great
@ManSeekingMeaning
@ManSeekingMeaning 10 часов назад
This is incredible.
@artgatherer3477
@artgatherer3477 3 часа назад
Great video!
@BlancheDP
@BlancheDP 11 часов назад
I didn't bail on a work event to watch this, but I now feel highly vindicated for skipping.
@jackisperu9766
@jackisperu9766 5 часов назад
very precise points bro
@sardonically-inclined7645
@sardonically-inclined7645 12 часов назад
She could have been removed from the writers room and nothing of value would have been lost
@pavarottiaardvark3431
@pavarottiaardvark3431 10 часов назад
Both the time stamp and the content of your comment tells me that you did not actually watch the video.
@Bjack570
@Bjack570 9 часов назад
Gotta love how there's an entire segment of the video dedicated to why this isn't true. But hey, I guess nuance doesn't exist, right guys. Everything has to be black and white and reactionary.
@delilahflowers
@delilahflowers 9 часов назад
She wrote the best episode in season 2 (ep 2) and also the worst episode (ep 8).
@sardonically-inclined7645
@sardonically-inclined7645 4 часа назад
@@Bjack570 In terms of characterization, she has contributed some good, which has been massively offset by the bad and the decisions she made/pushed for contributing to the degradation of proper structure in the plot. Many of those same actors that benefited from said characterization also advocated for, improvised for or portrayed those characters in contravention to her explicit intent. Another creative with similar inklings, but no tunnel vision about specific issues being present could have likely produced similar results in that environment without the same drawbacks. Therefore, there is not net value loss in her removal. How's that for nuance?
@sardonically-inclined7645
@sardonically-inclined7645 4 часа назад
@@pavarottiaardvark3431 Faulty conclusion. Half of it assumes sloth and the other half assumes I can't listen through everything he said, appreciate his presentation, but still disagree with his conclusions. He does put forward the value of her positive contributions in a positive light. I don't believe they compensate for the problems caused by her other contributions.
@seize2581
@seize2581 Час назад
I might watch this video as I also felt a bit weird when watching S2. I still had a great time though, and felt like the second half of S1 was a bit lackluster too anyway.
@GeraltORivia
@GeraltORivia 8 часов назад
Good ass video. Subbing rn Edit: I’m already subbed lmai
@RickBerman-iv2il
@RickBerman-iv2il 11 часов назад
Excellent video
@VANIT_E
@VANIT_E 5 часов назад
Those armsssss!!!
@YouTubeShillApologist
@YouTubeShillApologist 3 часа назад
Sara Hess is the new Kathleen Kennedy GOT season 4 is the last good season HOTD season 2 is the new season 8 3eyed raven is the main character controlling everyone since the Targs left for dragonstone WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO = I DON'T WANT IT SHE MUH QUEEN Hotdoodoo Season 2 is pure "fan" fiction filler slop with character agency stripped away as everyone is stuck in a loop.
@daluigi1
@daluigi1 8 часов назад
Had a really hard time paying attention after the 30:00 mark because one piece dramatic music started playing in the background, had go back like 3 times to pay attention to what you were saying 😅
@zinv08
@zinv08 7 часов назад
Why do I feel like you read that one quote like 4 times. 😅
@Gadget-Walkmen
@Gadget-Walkmen 9 часов назад
At 42:28, I mean, you ARE wrong about that as there are plenty of characters that are intentionally written to be incredibly disliked and they ARE disliked but they’re still great characters like Cersei, Ramsay Bolton, and ESPECIALLY Joffrey who are villainous characters who are intentionally written to be disliked but they ARE nuanced in character writing. Same thing with other characters in fiction like Benny from The Mummy or Dolares Umbridge who are VERY disliked as characters but still great characters in their roles in the story. So intentional dislike isn’t a factor that a character can’t be nuanced because there’s plenty of characters that have proven that to not be true. But the way how Sara Hess goes about everything is just fundamentally wrong because she has absolutely no idea on what she’s doing NOR is she rightfully respecting the source material she’s supposed to be adapting. I understand the book Fire & Blood is supposed to be unreliable narrators telling the story so it’s not easy to know what’s true or not but you HAVE to have something concrete for the show as it’s VISUALLY presenting the story so what we see is supposed be what ACTUALLY happened, but her interpretation of the text is so fundamentally wrong that she really shouldn’t anywhere NEAR this show and story as it’s clear that she’s making everything worse just by how you describe her here.
@herbertdaniel4422
@herbertdaniel4422 8 часов назад
That's not the argument. The argument is if you're intending for a character to be engaged with on a deeper level despite their immoral actions, you make that infinitely more difficult to do if you only consistently focus on the bad things they do and not their nuance. People don't typically engage with characters like Ramsay Bolton or Joffrey the way they do Jaime or Sandor Clegane.
@Gadget-Walkmen
@Gadget-Walkmen 7 часов назад
@@herbertdaniel4422 It’s not about focusing on a character’s “bad things they do” and STILL keep them nunaced and complex as pure evil villains. Look at Homelander, he’s massively evil yet no one hates him anywhere near as much as Joffrey, Ramsay, or even Cersei. You can still have pure evil villains and still flesh them out as complex villains. The Closer Look’s video on “In Defense of Pure Evil Villains” explains this perfectly. You can focus on a character’s bad things mainly and still not make the character hatable at all. Homelander, again, is a prime example of this as he just constantly does evil bad things and no one hates him anywhere near as much as Joffrey, whose written TO be hatable and despicable entirely.
@herbertdaniel4422
@herbertdaniel4422 7 часов назад
@@Gadget-Walkmen People don't hate Homelander, but they also don't engage with his character on a deeper level either. Nobody really talks about his tragic upbringing or his disillusionment with his carefully manufactured world and image, they mostly just say "he's an entertaining crybaby." No one is arguing you can't have complex, pure evil villains, however, if you want the audience to acknowledge their good and bad sides, you can't focus so heavily on the bad. Vegeta wouldn't have become the nuanced fan-favorite character he became if he'd consistently been portrayed as irredeemably, cartoonishly evil like Frieza has been.
@Gadget-Walkmen
@Gadget-Walkmen 5 часов назад
@@herbertdaniel4422 Saying that people don’t engage with Homelander’s character in a deeper level is 100% NOT true as there’s plenty of depth and nuance to his character. The show NEVER tries to paint him as sympathetic but they try to give an understanding on WHY he is why he is and different levels to his psyche on what he wants instead of just purely killing people JUST for the sake of it. Saying that people simply say that homelander is “aN EnTeRtAinIng cRyBabY” is 100# NOT true nor have I ever heard of that before for him by ANYONE. That’s just something you randomly made up here. People have tried analyzing this character before as even THIS channel made several videos analyzing Homelander’s character. People DO take homelander seriously despite him being pure evil all the way, there are plenty of characters that are nuanced that don’t have any sympathy AT ALL like Voldemort and his past getting fleshed out in Half Blood Prince book to explain WHY he does what he does. A villain shouldn’t have a “good side” if it’s badly shoe horned in when they’re clearly not meant to be sympathetic like Mr.Freeze who DOES have understandable reasons for why he’s being evil. But most villains aren’t meant to be sympathetic, just understood. Never try to have a “save the cat” moment just so you find them likable, that’s nonsense. You have to be honest with your audience and most people can get along with WHY people can find them engaging even when their not admirable. You CAN focus on the bad and they can still be complex and fleshed out, like in Clockwork Orange with Alex and ALOT of Martin Scorsese’s movies just have irredeemable scumbag villains in his films as main characters or even the whole cast like in Taxi Driver, Goodfellas, Casino, The Irishman, and even Wolf of WallStreet and you never see them as nothing but evil as they try to have fun with that as most audiences don’t hate them AT ALL, those movies and characters are massively compelling and engaging and no one hates them overall. Vegeta became a nuanced fan favorite character because the path that his character was going after was being more than just “pure evil” like Freiza, he become nuanced for having understandable reasons FOR his revenge, he died, came back to life, than sided with the good guys and tagged alongside them for a while intill he finally became good guy when he finally appreciated what he had. People love him for the character journey that he had into finally becoming good in a believable why while still having his badass and cool attitude but not all villains are meant to be like him at all. They’re just meant to be evil but you can still flesh out that evil massively. Like the Joker whose MASSIVELY diabolically evil and sadistic but he’s also one of the most complex and nuanced pure evil villain characters of all time from his layered wrapped psyche and twisted psychology. And most of EVERYONE loved the Joker despite how devilishly evil he is as he’s not at all “hatable ”, just always fascinating and compellingly engaging as you always wonder what he’s going to say and do with the most evil smile. And everyone loves the character for it. But again, a character written to be hatable doesn’t mean they’re lacking in nuance as Joffrey AS depth and reasoning into doing what he does as he’s a GREAT villain character as he was always intended to be one!
@herbertdaniel4422
@herbertdaniel4422 5 часов назад
​@@Gadget-Walkmen Just because a character has depth doesn't mean people will care to engage with that depth, lol Homelander is popular because he's an entertaining and well-acted manchild. Until you, I don't think I've seen anyone engage with Homelander's character beyond that. They acknowledge his childhood was fucked up, but that nuance isn't really why they enjoy watching him. They like watching him fail and cry and throw tantrums and just generally be a pathetic person. I think you're conflating likeability/entertainment value with the deeper engagement with character nuance that I'm talking about. Tommy from Goodfellas is a very likeable, fun character, but I don't engage with him like I would a character like Michael Corleone whose immorality is contrasted against his genuine, relateable desire to do what's best for his family. Again, no one is arguing that a hateable villain can't have nuance, but again, as I keep saying, if your goal is to encourage the audience to engage with them beyond the initial repulsion to their immoral acts, you HAVE to give the audience something to work with. If 99% of a character's screentime is spent being beyond redemption, you can't possibly expect the audience to care about nuances that you aren't showing.
@unrullEE
@unrullEE 7 часов назад
Is the back ground music attack on titan ost❤
@wisdommanari6701
@wisdommanari6701 8 часов назад
30:03 one Piece Music?!?
@TAMThomasTAM
@TAMThomasTAM 9 часов назад
I believe that Aegon's introductory actions, him being a rapist, has had and could still have major consequences throughout the show. Firstly, You note that "all the material" of Aegon's sexual affairs were just him having bastards and him being known to "pinch or fondle any serving girl who strayed within his reach". It's worth noting that that's still sexual assault, fondling your employees whenever they come near is assault, and doing that enough times to be known for it constitutes sexual harassment. Also, one account in the book claims that he was found after the death of Viserys raping a child, the line reads "whilst a girl who could not have been more than twelve pleasured his member with her mouth". You claim the show invents the idea of him being a grown man raping a woman, but the book literally has an account of him doing worse. And although this source is not very credible, it is still included and is in line with his apparent well-known sexual misconduct that is also mentioned. More importantly, you state that the subject of Aegon's sexual actions and the consequences thereof are not brought up again in the first and second seasons, but that's also not true. Aegon encounters Dyanna again in her new place of work and does not recognise her at all, reminding us of this gaping character flaw, his lack of empathy and understanding. We see her supporting Rhaenyra and helping to sow suspicious and distrust towards the greens in King's Landing. She has no love of Aegon because he assaulted her. Whenever Aegon enters a room with serving girls present, they all seem to freeze up and exchange glances and appear generally uncomfortable, implying his actions are still ongoing, and adding to the idea that many working in the keep do not like him and may be more willing to betray him, which could have been explored if the season was given ten episodes. We also see Aegon not respecting boundries as he enters a brothel and later harasses Aemond, mocking him sexually, which constitutes sexual harassment. This influences Aemond then burning him alive, which directly leads to Aegon's own manhood being destroyed. He sexually harassed Aemond which contributed to Aemond's decision to assault him which led to Aegon's sex being destroyed. Although there were other things involved in the narrative, it is worth pointing out that one of his victims of sexual harasssment sought revenge and in turn led to his violent castration. Finally, and there will be big spoilers here, but that character trait may still have greater consequences in following seasons. In the books, there is a bastard of his named Gaemon Palehair who becomes a king for a month after the riot in King's Landing, which could be Dyanna's child in the show, if she didn't take the moon tea or it didn't work and if she was pregnant but not yet showing in season two. This would lead to direct conflict between Dyanna, Aegon, and the child born of rape when Aegon returns to King's Landing. While Gaemon becomes a serving boy, it is possible Dyanna might be made a serving girl again, allowing her to contribute to the poisoning of Aegon. Another one of his victims of sexual harassment seeking revenge, this time ending his life. It's also worth mentioning that he was sexually inappropriate towards Baela in episode eight of season one, and later in the story, in the books, she battles him on Dragonstone which directly leads to him breaking his legs. This parallels with his sexual misconduct towards Aemond leading to his castration. Aegon victimises people, mocking or harassing or assaulting them sexually, and eventually they have a chance to do him harm, leading to his castration, disabling, and death. The consequences of his introductory actions could contribute to every step in his downfall. He pays the price for his actions. Justice is delivered to him by his victims. And given he may not be fully aware of his actions and their consequences, as the writer pointed out, that could make him a tragic character, one whose flaws were never heeded and so he did not change for the better (or was incapable of changing for the better) leading to his demise. That, to me, would be pretty great storytelling actually, especially in a show so interested in exploring the stories of women under the patriarchy.
@ivanbluecool
@ivanbluecool 12 часов назад
The fact they think half of all pregnancy ends up in losing the child shows they really don't know what they are doing.
@GeusGames
@GeusGames 11 часов назад
Not quite that , but for a long part of human history infant mortality was about 50%. So half of all people died before adolescence.
@pavarottiaardvark3431
@pavarottiaardvark3431 9 часов назад
More than half of fertilisations end in miscarriage. Even with modern medicine, more than a quarter of known pregnancies miscarry (to say nothing of those which miscarry before pregnancy is ever detected)
@kaemonbonet4931
@kaemonbonet4931 8 часов назад
My immediate thought on, "is hotd fanfic?" Yes, that's what we signed up for. Grrm wrote an outline, we knew going in that the crew was going to need to make stuff up to fill the gaps. If you dont like it... Idk, skill issue? You dont have to like but expecting something else is silly. Edit while watching: I like the argument that, "because she didn't experience the pain of the drop in quality, she didn't have the context for why the fans would want [x..]" I also think grrm would agree that the history he wrote was intentionally sexist. Though I agree allicent etc should be more complex than, "duped into becoming a treasonous queen" or whatever.
@SarifaXionic
@SarifaXionic 9 часов назад
I'm going to say this once. You're a writer you know what fanfiction is. It is when you write based on an IP and DON'T get paid for it. This is just bad writing. Call it that. All you're doing is giving fanfiction writers a bad name. And some of them are quite good, and some of them actually get published and become professional authors. All writers have the capacity to be bad. Why don't you talk about all the nepo babies and yes men that get to stay in the writers room. Or the fact that the writers strike was the main reason so much writing has been bad this year. This will be blocked or deleted, but I don't care.
@tyf.5111
@tyf.5111 8 часов назад
So, you came hear to be fussy that "fanfiction" is in the title of this video and clearly didn't bother to actually watch it, did you? Savage never disparages fanfiction; he is commenting on what the collective fan base calls Hess's style of writing for the show. Be mad about it but don't blame Savage.
@SarifaXionic
@SarifaXionic 4 часа назад
​@tyf.5111 No I watched it. I agree with everything else about the video except that.
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