Ah yes, I was going to bring this up also. Sardaukar's is the only time an "s" should be involved, in a possessive sense. I wonder what else is wrong with this presentation.
@@markvogel4341 let’s be honest, your just being a douche for the sake of it, using an ‘s’ on the end is not important in life in the slightest considering this is a made up topic. This video is most likely way better than any video you could ever make on it. Stop being jealous 🤷🏼♀️
@@aldraone-mu5yg You are correct @aldraone-mu5yg I would not say Chineses or Sadukaurses I read/listen to Dune every 2-3 years. Last year I listened to it, and this year I will be reading it. There is a difference between the two experiences. November 3rd! 😊
Duncan is a Swordmaster of Ginaz, a rightfully feared and rare position, even Bene Geserit Reverend Mothers respect them, and these are women, who among other things, could actually best most Saurdukar.
Tell me you haven't read the books without telling me you haven't read the books. Your ENTIRE history is 100% wrong. Salusa was an earth like planet, it didn't become uninhabitable til it got nuked in the Butlerian Jihad. It wasn't populated by colonists, it was the Emperor's prison planet. The Sardaukar were recruited from the prisoner population. The entire reason the Emperor helped the Baron take down House Atreides was because the Duke had trained a small military unit to within a hairs breadth of being equal to the Sardaukar. The significance of the Fremen was based in the fact that Dune was just as harsh an environment as Salusa, added to the Harkonnen fist they lived under for 80 odd years. Groups of Fremen women, children, and elderly could take down Sardaukar patrols, remarking only that "they fought well".
@@kurtwinter4422 interestingly the attack on Salusa Secundus led to the Great Convention banning the use of weapons of mass destruction against human targets (including nuclear). Still legal to own them in case humanity ever encounters an external threat, but deploy them in House to House warfare and the entire Imperium will nuke your planet in retribution.
@@seanpowell3755 That's right, Paul said he, "would transform Salusa S. into a garden, full of gentle things." And that's how Shadam knew that Paul knew the origin of the Sardaukar.
Let me know if I am wrong, but aren't Fremen & Sadaukar both the plural versions? No need for a "s" at the end. Like it's "The Fremen" and "The Sadaukar".
The biggest negative of the Sardaukar is them being constantly called “ The Sardaukars” by this channel. Edit: Can’t wait for your next video on “The Fremen’s” 😂
In Dune 2021 I think how they did the Sardauker planet (it's Salusa Secundus right?) was really well done. Kind of gave me the heebie jeebies with that guy in the middle of all the soldiers that sounded like he was doing Tuvan throat singing.. I don't know what it was but just that whole scene was really unnerving; very well done Denis Villeneuve!!!
@@iainhowe4561 your right they thought of them worthy fighters unlike the harkonnens and to ultimately defeat them they still needed pauls training the best sci fi book i have ever read its my bible
@@MrReubenTishkoffit's unfortunate they didn't add a little detail of that fight, he killed about 5 of them blinded, that's why later on when they resurrect his ghola (corpse) it needed robotic eyes
idk they seemed pretty weak in the movies. They moved slow and i didnt saw any special movement , while the Fremen were jumping leglocking or otherwise maneuvering around them easily. Imo they were underused in the movies.
Reminds me of that time that Lucasfilm filed a lawsuit against Battlestar Gallactica just for looking too much like Star Wars. Look up the Nemesis the Warlock comic, if you haven't already come across it, to see where the Imperium got its interior decoration from.
@@kraxus03 "Good artists borrow. Great artists steal." -Something I just made up, and if you ever use it without paying me, my lawyers will be in touch.
@@thomriley1036 Be Pure !! Be Vigilant !! Behave!! (I grew up on 2000ad comic in the 80s.). Yeah I totally see where the Hive Worlds could have been inspired by that.
Because the Sardukar in the original Frank Herbert books aren't like these. Well...they are as fanatical as is implied/stated but they live on Salusa Secondus,a barren world used as a prison planet by the Emporer....and the Sardukar are recruited from the prison population.
I for one do not think of his son's and the other established Sci Fi books as cannon. To me, I feel they are fan fiction. Frank wrote the first 6 books.. Someone else wrote the other books.
I find it odd when house Corrino had its limit placed on its military size the Sardukar got weak instead of being a small army of even more skilled warriors.
Numbers are needed to maintain control over a expansive empire of worlds. The imperial system is feudal in nature like game of thrones so while they are technically the empires legions technically they only hold that title because the house that holds them sits upon the throne.
The Sardaukar origin in this video: tell me you haven't read the Dune books (even the bad ones), without telling you you haven't read the dune books...go
Was going to mention this. Definitely was a habitable world and the center of the empire until House Tantor went renegade and nuked the place. It's not in the original six novels however.
Trained on the prison planet...Salusa Secundus! But Fremen they are NOT! Thanks for this video, the nuances of Dune are often lost in the hollywood sham!
“Who we can can presume is in his 40s” combined with the image on screen is when I gave up. You’re mostly right but you’re either wrong or stretching the wrong to make a point just enough that I’m moving on.
I don't think the second Dune movie gave them justice. They were way too easily defeated by Paul and his Freeman who didn't have much in the way of air support. Plus it was pretty dumb to put your base in the middle of an open area in the middle of the desert.
No, the atmosphere wasn't the problem. Lasers reacted with Holtzmann personal shields, causing both weapon and target to experience a small nuclear explosion. This led to the Imperium preferring bladed weapons and projectile weapons. Shields also attracted sandworms and drove them into a killing frenzy,, much to the amusement of the Fremen.
You think the Sardaukar might also be genetically enhanced? Cause in the 1984 Dune film we see a Sardaukar throw an Atreides soldier like an empty cardboard box.
No, gene enhancement is an unnatural abomination, something only worthy og the Bene Tleilax, only acceptable gene enhancement is natural enhancement through Bene Gesserit breeding and modification, and that is mainly due to its secrecy. Do not make a machine in the image of man!
Im sure they said in that Version they had spice gas in their suits to enhance strength. You see Duncan smash one of the face screens in their dustbin bag suits and it releases a jet of air like theyre under pressure. Something they made up for the 84 version.
@@Sk4M_.RangeroftheNorth I did a search and found a couple of articles suggesting that D.L. Had read the source material. I thought I had read articles years back that suggested he had not read it. I do have the DVDs of his production and do like it. I stand corrected. 🤥
I don't know...the recent Dune movie had them fairly easily dispatched by Duncan until he was outnumbered and overwhelmed. Maybe it's just a movie thing? They honestly behaved too much like fodder to be that fearsome.
Duncan is a Sword Master of Ginaz he's not some run of the mill soldier, honestly just a movie alone on how Duncan escaped the Harkonnens and became a retainer of the Atreides would be amazing
@@chindian2166 Probably just because of the choreography? They just seem very easily disposed of and move like fodder would. No screen presence at all either. Not intimidating.
Bullcrap - Salusa Secundus was once the capital of the Imperium. House Corrino was forced to abandon it for Katain after another noble family detonated a nuclear bomb there, rendering the planet barely habitable. The Sardaukar army emerged from the planet after it was declared a prison. They weren't around during the Butlerian Jihad.
The one thing I've always hated, which the recent movie proved, is how abject BS the concept of that impact shield is (which you start going into further at 15:11). Even with the shield working exactly as stated where only "slow" stuff can get through it, ranged weapons should still have been astoundingly dominant. 1) We see many times that someone or something that is hit by a long range projectile that the shield stops is still subject to kinetic energy and momentum; they get pushed backwards, so some of the kinetic energy dispersed from the shield goes into them and they are definitely demonstrated to experience pain in these instances. But the weapons used looked to be small needle guns firing lower velocity darts; now picture something a lot higher caliber (for you Counterstrike fans out there, imagine a hit from the AWP)...such large amounts of kinetic energy dispersed into the wearer WILL cause damage. 2) Even accepting only slow stuff can get through the shield and ignoring the kinetic energy transfer I mentioned in point 1, there are a VAST number of other options for applying lethal "slow" damage at range. Flamethrowers/firebomb projectiles, canister-firing weapons that on impact with a shield spray out large quantities of acid or toxic gas, sound cannons, swarms of microdrones with toxic or explosive payloads like the one launched at Paul from the dude stuck in the wall...so many options that are better than swords.
Except the fact that there is a mindset of no high tech allowed in house to house warfare. It seems like a cross between Samurai and Arthurian attitudes to battle. Not that I'm an expert on either as far as the other houses were concerned, were disguised in sardukar uniforms.
@@elizabethjansen2684 No high tech...so the vast array of ship-to-ship weapons and the hand-held energy beam the Sardukar used around the time Duncan sacrificed himself don't count?
@@elizabethjansen2684 ...all of the ones I mentioned in that "don't count" quip are far more technologically advanced than everything I said in my point 2 aside from the micro drones. Not quite following your logic...
only lasers are ok for attacking shield. But they will make a thermonuclear reaction when the shield and laser meet. There were a lot of ranged weapons. Just not as effective. So hence more swordfighting. But it doesnt meant there is no ranged fight like it is in the movie.
Sardaukar epitomizes the myth of the perfect warrior. History is repleat with the toxic failures of the golden warrior culture. Examples include Sparta, Zulu, 1940's Germany & Japan, etc. Like most works of fiction, Dune is not immune to plot holes you can drive a moon through.
It is very hard to take seriously any self styled Fount of Information about a subject...when the Fount in question cannot even get the name right. It is "Sardaukar", no "S". NOT one sardaukar, two sardaukars. Then there's the overwrought ludicrously purple prose, all said in a voice that makes Ron Burgundy sound restrained. A style straight from a late night cable ad flogging The Best Knife You'll Ever Own.
It’s Sardaukar. Like sheep. If you see 30 sheep, you say “I can see 30 sheep” (not 30 sheeps). I turned the video off within 20 seconds. Because you kept saying “The Sardaukars…” Like if someone made a video explaining the history of the Chevrolet Corvette, but pronounced it Corveet. You just instantly lose credibility.
That world used to be the imperial capital before a rogue house used Nukes to blow it up trying to kill the Emperor and his blood line.That place used to look like 🌎 before the Nukes went off.thats what it say,s in the books homie. And it's a prison world.
They had a 10,000 year history. They were hard as hell at first but due to pampering through many Emperors they softened a lot compared to Fremen and Bene Gesserit
Sardaukar IS the plural form, you are correct. But he is using the possessive apostrophe of a plural noun not ending in S, so he is right and you are wrong. He isn’t saying Sardaukars, like many of them. He is saying the origin story of them. Whose origin? The Sardaukar’s origin. The apostrophe S denoting not the plural form but the possessive form. For instance, women is the plural of woman. So this sentence is correct: The women’s bathroom is small. So maybe he didn’t even read the book, but you also didn’t pass freshman English composition.
Well, after training. They live a lavish lifestyle, as well as royalty, wealth, beautiful women, and mansions. Ect . Not to mention after puberty. Sex is s reward for a good day's training. As well they father a lot of children. Female saurdukar. Indurance training requires repeated pregnancies. From puberty onwards. .
What a load of hogwash! Salusa Secondus was the Emperor’s prison planet and the Sardaukar were enlisted from the toughest inmates. The planet itself was hostile as it was nuked during the Butlerian Jihad, fighting for the Emperor gave the Sardaukar a slightly better life off world. You should definitely read the books before commenting
Silly blood gathering system for a super rainy planet. The blood will just get washed out by the rain. Disappointing all around. Ach, poor design! They do not LOOK anything at all like the way they're described in the novels. They're said to all have a similar-ish appearance - bird of prey like, with an exceptionally arrogant mien. Because they're exceptionally arrogant. Even if one is covered up in some concealing outfit, he can recognized simply by the way he stands or walks. And, although they came from that very harsh planet, once they take up their official positions and duties, they live in splendidly luxurious and indeed, decadent surroundings. Where they get whatever they want. Bit of a let down to just see some scraggy beardy middle aged balding geezers. Look like hills people from Deliverance. More untouched by dentistry, than elite weapons made flesh. Their bad hygiene is what's lethal, not their fighting skills.
Omg, how silly. Why do people think human history is so uninteresting that they think fictional universes are interesting? Is it not just the most embarrassing sort of ignorance?
Idk.. from what I saw in Vilneuve's Dune, Sardaukar didn't seem that formidable.. I mean if movie wanted to show them as very "scary" and "formidable", I don't think it's enough to show their homeworld and how they sacrifice people for some religious preparation for battle.. it especially didn't work when Dunkwn Idaho singlehandedly took down dozens of them, and even in his "last stand" he killed something like 6 or 8 of them.. I get that Idaho was suppose to be this badass, but if you want to create an illusion that Sardaukar are "elite" warriors, getting hammered by a single guy doesn't help that image.. I think in the movie, when the attack on Arakis have started, initially it should've been Harkonen troops vs Atreidis troops, and Atreidis troops getting upper hand even when caught by surprise, and only when Sardaukar engaged directly did the battle turn around.. it also could've shown how Sardaukar individually were taking on 2 or 3 Atreidis soldiers and defeating them.. Now THAT would've shown how formidable they are..
Yeah, to support your general tactics thing, they indeed would've fulfilled their agreement as long as House Harkonnen was willing to carry some of the life-cost themselves. And they would've published Idaho's face beforehand so whomever found him would know to pile on him as much as possible - NOT give him the opportunity to just cut them down successively. We could've gotten a scene like that, where he was only able to take 3 or 4 at most, and it still would've followed several other scenes of him showing his prowess. The Sardaukar didn't get their reputation by being tough but also stupid.
Weird to acknowledge the blood rite scene as Villeneuve's embellishment, then talk about it as though it were canon. Also, the fight scenes in the movie absolutely DO NOT display any slow-blade technique whatsoever. Not even the training scene with Paul and Gurney(you just see them tussle, then the end product of both having gotten their blade through). Strange it isn't pointed out more. I think the fighting style necessary for personal shields would've been much different - focusing on disarming, with some grappling for control, penetration, and the kill. Engagements might've been pretty drawn out, therefore, with many ending up on the ground for some duration. That doesn't seem like it would translate well to large-scale battle. It also would put Paul at an insurmountable disadvantage against someone like Gurney. And it seems that the only tenable plans would *always be guaranteed* to sacrifice the best troops of at least one side. Think about it. They'd get an idea of proportion of casualties, along with the rate they were losing, then send in their best to try to turn it around, with strategic timing. Then maybe they'd still stay ahead despite the other side sending in their best afterward. Maybe. It would be decisive, for sure. So there would be even greater disincentive for war to begin with, even than that of feudal times. That might be a relatively little-known fact, though. Real time tactics would take on greater focus - in proximity, accuracy, and scale, with all the advancements achieved in intelligence and technology. So it would have an immense impact on militarism as a whole, such that single combat/dueling would probably be favored. Kind of hard to imagine how things would play out, otherwise. If sci-fi is supposed to be informed by some measure of realism, then it doesn't have to not make sense. And war already doesn't. So it's like there was a deliberate parallel in the story, but with a twist. The ideal-future-for-all wasn't necessarily the aim. It is fiction, after all. Right? The narrator basically admits it @21:30. So there'll be some holes, inevitably. Anyhow, as I've thought out how war would more likely be, I've come to the conclusion that people would have to deliberately maintain a conflict culture - especially in a future involving such things as interstellar(and even more especially intergalactic) travel, in order to have war. They'd have such means of production and communication, access and implementation, that there would be extremely low motivation for it all-around. They might have some kind of "assurance" that the consequences wouldn't necessarily be catastrophic, however. At least regarding the basic aspect of loss of life. But with that would come a devaluation thereof. Say, if people could be regrown/"cloned". They'd just see life as disposable, and not care about anything anymore. Good thing that's not happening - or at least won't succeed despite such ideas and plans being generally laid out - even popularized somewhat already. Yeah, these stories might be seen as implicit messages if one were to start thinking about it like that.
The Sardaukar became complacent in their hubris -keep telling yourself you are the best for long enough and you will believe it and the contempt they hold for their enemies becomes their undoing.
Which is why they requested permission to stay on Arrakis hunting Fremen after the Harkonnens resumed control. They recognised a clear threat to their supremacy but didn't want the other Great Houses to know about it.
The Sardukars was the most fearsome warriors but not anymore. They were so feared that that only a whisper of a threat of a Sardukar would end wars. So the Sardukar of the books have not been in any significant battle for almost a thousand years. They have grown soft and with a too high an opinion of teir own ability and worth. the Freemen did not respect them they saw them only as easy prey. If you are going to do lore videos on the Dune universe at least read the books first.
In frank herberts books when the fremen rescued paul and jessica stilgar noticed that some of the men within the harkonnens displayed superior fighting and it did take pauls trainind from gurney duncan and thufir to ultimately defeat their enimies
@@kraxus03 And that was considered remarkable because Ix's machines were combatively potent? I've never read the books myself, just seen the movies & miniseries, and familiarized further through things I read on the internet.
