I'm surprised he didn't mention the controllers, although both systems have arcade sticks and there's also an adapter to use a Saturn controller with the Dreamcast.
@@FloridaEbikes well sure, an arcade cabinet stick is the bee's knees, nobody is arguing that. But a decent arcade stick is still preferable to a pad. DC has an Ascii pad anyway if you really like you're controllers for fighting games.
@@stevesteve0521 Its all preferences man. I actually prefer SF3 games over all the other SF games. And MvC1, MvC2 and CvS2 are in my top 5 fave Capcom fighters. Mark of the Wolves, Last Blade 2, KOF2002 and KOF99DM are arguably the best SNK games ever made. I love both Saturn and DC and if you are a Fighting game fan, you can't go wrong with either. I just would prefer to have both. 👍
TheObserver85 no doubt. It’s funny it’s the opposite to me I actually find the SF3 games as the second weakest in the SF series behind the EX games, heck I prefer SFV over the SF3 games. But like you said it’s all about preferences and both the Saturn and Dreamcast have a fantastic library of games
@@stevesteve0521 LoL, I definitely understand why people don't like SF3 games. SFA is my 2nd fave SF series though. As a matter of I think SFA series are the most well made games of the SF Franchise. I just have a soft spot for SF3. Saturn also has more Fighting game variety. So as a Fighting game fan, you can only go right if you do get a Saturn. 👍
There's just something special about using that ram expansion on Saturn. Knowing you were getting some extra juice out of the machine to get closer to arcade perfect. I used to love playing KOF '95 on saturn.
Who cares if they weren't released in North America. As someone that still plays Saturn now, most of my games are Imports. Saturn is . An import friendly system
Really depends on your taste. For me, Capcom vs. SNK 2 and Third Strike basically make the Dreamcast the best system ever. Didn't know there were so many esoteric fighters on the Saturn, I should check some of them out.
@@SegaLordX i also agree with your video. DC for 3d fighters, Saturn for 2d fighters overall. I just found a lot of the saturn's 3d fighters to have aged poorly being first gen polygon and all.
I took a chance and bought Groove on Fight back in the day. I replayed it about a year ago and really got a new appreciation for it. It definitely has a lot going for it and some unique ideas. The final boss section is rough. Overall, it's a solid fighter and one I plan to return to more often.
One of the most important games in my gaming history was having X-Men COTA to on the Saturn (UK). Although I had already played games like Darkstalkers in the arcade, to have this kind of gold at home for the first time was simply incredible.
The shear frustration of fighting Magneto when the AI would take him into the top corner of the screen and he'd just spam one move making it near impossible to get to him. When I finally beat him, oddly enough with Sentinel, was one of my gaming highlights.
I was the same way with Virtua fighter 2 on Saturn and soulcalibur on Dreamcast. Coming from the terrible 16 bit arcade ports to arcade perfect ports was mind blowing. It almost made up for my parents not buying me a neogeo. Especially because I snagged a lot of those for both systems as well lol
My 2 favourite console 2d fighters of the time were both Japanese imports for my 50/60hz modded SATURN.For a home console to play Vampire Savour (Darkstalkers 3) & Street Fighter Zero(alpha)3 in such an arcade perfect way was truly amazing.the extra 4mb memory cart made an already 2d powerhouse console into the best console for 2d games,even against its next gen’ competition imho
Saturn wins!! Either way Sega fans can play great fighting games on DC or SS. Thank you SLX for the amazing content! We are grateful for your existence!
I love both systems to death but even though the Saturn has the quantity. I think overall the quality of the Dreamcast fighting scene is better, but like you said, both systems have an incredible library. Great video.
I've always liked the Capcom vs. Series more than Street Fighter. I remember when X-men vs. Street Fighter released here stateside and was a hit in arcades.
I absolutely adore the Dreamcast, and I'm really starting to fall in love with the Saturn (I didn't start getting games for it til recently), but at much as I love the DC, I will say that the controller is such a huge step down from the Saturn's, especially for 2D fighters. To this day, I still don't understand Sega's reasoning behind giving their "next gen" machine two less buttons than the previous
how do you not understand when every single modern consoles and the so called "next gen" ps5 and xbox series x etc have that "two less buttons" design.
@@user-yk1cw8im4h I understand why every modern console has the four button diamond layout for the face buttons, I just mean the amount of buttons total on the whole controller xD They really should have given the DC some equivalent to L1 and R1. The Saturn had ABC, XYZ, L and R, but Dreamcast removed C and Z without replacing them with anything. This made some otherwise solid ports (Like Soul Reaver, for example) have some awkward controls
Fantastic video man. I'm so new to the Saturn and I'm just in awe of its lineup of fighting games. I think I'll stick to the ones I can afford for now (or go repro whenever it suits me), but I tell ya, even the basic fighting lineup of Fighters Megamix, DOA1 and even Vampire Hunter are so amazing that they make me regret missing them all those years ago during my heyday with the PS1. This is great work SLX and hope this gets a ton of views. Thanks again!!!!
What!! I’m a huge fan of this channel, and was just thinking to myself how great of an idea this would be for a video, and low and behold you just uploaded one. Excellent timing good sir.
If you liked this, look at the two recent videos that lead up to it, each taking a focused look at one platform! 👍🏻 Glad you had fun watching, that’s what it’s all about!
My top 2 favorite fighting games that I keep going back to are Garou: Mark of the Wolves and Capcom vs SNK 2, but it's hard not to enjoy any game in this genre when playing against your friends. Great video!
Slight correction: Guilty Gear X didn't run at a higher resolution than most 2D games at that point, it ran at a higher res than all of them: it was the first ever 480p 2D game period. Prior to its release, only the character select screen of Cotton Boomerang had been natively rendered in 480p.
People seem to be confused. Marvel vs Capcom 2 and Capcom vs SNK 2 do run at 640x480, however the only things that are actually displaying at that resolution are the backgrounds and the effects. Unfortunately the sprites are heavily upscaled and that's why you see too much pixelation on them. The same applies to a lot of 2D PC games back in the day (sure you could run them at the highest res of the time, but pixelation will still be there). Guilty Gear X, on the other hand, is a game that features everything rendered for that high resolution. No pixelation at all. So yeah, Guilty Gear X was the first 2D game of its kind (graphics wise). That game by itself saved the 2D games back then from being seen as "obsolete" and more developers kept on in that path (like Examu, Vanilla and etc)
Ridiculous comment. Toonstruck (1995) on the PC is 2D and 480p. That's *FIVE YEARS* before Guilty Gear X. Another is Leisure Suit Larry 7 (1996). Both are 2D point and click games, but they wasn't even the first 2D games to use 480p on PC. There's also a Japanese computer called the PC98 that ran many 2D games at _higher_ res than 480p before the DC was even released. By the time Guilty Gear X came out in 2000, 480p was low res by PC standards. I was gaming at 1024x768 on PC then, practically a "HD" resolution, although they were all 3D games because i wasn't in to 2D. Saying GGX is the first ever 480p 2D game is laughable and flat out wrong. So it's not even remotely close to being the first, but it was possibly the first _true_ 480p 2D *fighter* on console where the sprites and backgrounds are all 640x480 (480p), because as The True Bro pointed out above, other 2D fighters did use that res before GGX.
I hope you never change your format or style. These videos are all really fascinating to watch and I usually learn a few new things after they’re over. This is one of my favorite channels!
Can't argue with you there, man! Both systems are absolute monsters when it comes to fighting games, particularly Capcom titles. I have to give the edge to the Saturn here too. My most played fighting games are on Saturn and I play X-men vs SF more than I play Marvel vs Capcom 1 & 2. Also the SF collection on Saturn gets regular play, even over my copy of SF Alpha 3 on DC. Great video - really enjoyed it! ✊
Another good thing, usually Dreamcast emulators, support Naomi, Naomi GD-Rom and Atomiswave arcade systems, that are basically where Dreamcast is based on, so you can get a few more fighting titles in the list that wasn't released on Dreamcast like The King of Fighters Neowave, The King of Fighters XI and NeoGeo Battle Coliseum
Great video as always! Just a small correction: The KOF98 for the Dreamcast is still exclusive for the console. The Ultimate Match remaster on PS2 features 3D backgrounds, but they're entirely different from the ones made for the DC. So we have two 3D versions of all stages from that game!
I remember beating x-men children of the atom after tge 1,000th try. That game was difficult no matter the setting. Capcom has always been one of my favorites.
I actually am fond of the directional pad I'm not sure what's wrong with it. All moves come out perfect for me. I never had any issues with any Sega directional pads and I've own a Sega system since day one.
MvC2 is my favorite Dreamcast fighter, despite the presence of Soul Calibur and Powerstone and Project Justice. MvC2 is just the finest 2d fighter of all time. Favorite Saturn fighter is probably Virtual Fighter 2. Such sweet simplicity. I also really liked Fighting Vipers, Last Bronx, and the X-Men and Marvel Capcom fighters, never got to play the vs series on Saturn as I never imported, no ram cart. edit: as the video went on I could tell he was going to go with the Saturn, which is awesome and it is very close and that is a fine choice. But in that early neo-geo section, man I would rather play Last Blade and Mark of the Wolves forever on Dreamcast than any of that Fatal fury or king of Fighters crap on Saturn. Sometimes variety isn't enough, especially with fighting games. I would have gone with Dreamcast.
@DemonSlayer ByKnight Only lacks the imports games experience. As someone who imported Saturn games and DC games. I give the edge to DC as far as far as Fighters go. I think Saturn really does have better underrated fighting game gems. But the quality of DC fighters is still talked about all over the internet and for good reason.
The Dreamcast was a dream for me as a fighting game fan. Just the Original Controller was not a perfect match, but there was a fantastic Arcade Stick and many alternative Controllers. Another great genre on the Dreamcast were Lightgun games. The Saturn had some too, but after the Namco Lightgun Shooters on PlayStation 1 and 2, the Dreamcast library was the best.
I am glad that you mention Ultraman Hikari no Kyojin Densentsu on the Sega Saturn as it is one of the two games that used a special RAM cartridge to run and I have enjoyed it as an Ultraman fan until Ultraman Fighting Evolution 3 on the PS2 that is the best Ultraman Fighting game ever till today. For Saturn, the KOF and Real Bout Fatal Fury series are my favourite fighting games. For Dreamcast, Marvel vs Capcom 2 and Tech Romancer.
Xmen VS Street Fighter was awesome, though my love for Street Fighter 3 means Dreamcast wins but we are talking a real close battle, like 51% to 49% in Dreamcast favour.
Yes! Finally a video that noticed and went into detail on how the Sega Saturn version of Street Fighter Zero 3 is the best version . The input was also better as well. This is the version I hoped Capcom re releases on the Switch and current platforms.
Dead Or Alive 2 and the Jojo's Bizarre Adventure game are the first time I've ever knew about the Franchises. And the first Soul Calibur is the first game I've knew before the sequels. I've really wanted a Dreamcast to get the game.
As always, enjoyed another great video by SLX, always well put together and you can tell instantly that he knows his stuff. This was a great comparison and either winner would have been fair, depending on personal preference. But I must admit I initially actually expected a top 10 for both platforms combined, making it basically a top 10 fighting game list for all sega consoles, ever. Maybe food for another nice video :-)
Your fighting game videos are amazing and this battle of the titans is excellent. I own those two systems for their fighting games line up and I can't imagine the fun you had going through these titles. Sega fighters, ftw.
Saturn SFZ3 wins over the Dreamcast version because of a very important detail: Gameplay wise it retains the feeling of the original CPS2 version. IIRC Saturn version uses the old 2D hit boxes for hit detection, while the Dreamcast uses some sort of polygon technique for this (altering all moves in some degree) and they also did some adjustments to the gameplay on purpose as some sort of "rebalancing", while the Saturn stayed close to the original.
+ Sega Lord X I figured out where your entire intro came from. The music sounds likes it's from Astal and the "SEGAAAAAAA" sounds like it's from the splash screen from Battle Arena Toshinden Remix.
Now I wish I had Sega when I was growing up, I had all Nintendo and the first couple of PlayStations 1&2 and an Atari 7800. I regret not owning any Sega machine unfortunately now! Thank you for this terrific video! 👍🏻👍🏻
guilty gear is NOT an odd ball game. the franchise has been played in tournament for years. putting it on the list of games like primal rage would piss off a large section of the fgc. jojo is also a respected title.
@DemonSlayer ByKnight my comment wasnt whether or not its over rated it was about how it is not an odd ball game. it has a healthy competitive community and its franchise has been seeing steady releases(with one coming soon). on the hierarchy of fighting games guilty gear would be placed next to something like vampire savoir. its not odd ball.
What a fum romp through the history of these two fantastic platforms and the fighting games that were released for them! I enjoyed my Saturn and Dreamcast immensely, and fighting games were some of the biggest reasons for that!
what a great video both consoles are my favorites, started fighting on a Genesis with primal rage and never left Sega even now i still play on emulation more than any other platform combined.
I had MKII for Saturn as a kid, and it was by far my favorite version at the time. I sadly traded it away and haven’t played that version in years but I’d like to see if it still holds up as my mind remembers it.
Thanks for this video! I was always wondering whether the Saturn was better than the Dreamcast, in certain fighters or other games. Especially since the Saturn is always praised for its 2D capabilities
In terms of graphics, later generations are better for 2D games as well as 3D games. Saturn 2D was praised in comparison to PS1, and even then it really depends on which game.
I love fighting games! I bought these 2 consoles in Japan with lots of fighting games because the Saturn has a lot of exclusives. I really like Fighters Megamix
Dragon Ball Z - Shin Butouden is very underrated, in my humble opinion, and should've gotten a mention. But, amazing vid bro. I got my eye on some of those "oddbalss" now. Thanks for the education! 😎👍
Just as an interesting fact... the Dreamcast can move the Neo·Geo CD very nice (Neo4All CD emulator). Almost all KOF from 94 to 99 works flawless, Kabuki Klash, Samurai Shodown III and IV, Double Dragon, Breakers, Waku Waku 7, Last Blade, Real Bout Special, Real Bout 2... just to mention some of them. Dreamcast is the definitive 2D Fighting machine :-)
The DC only has a multiplayer variant of the reverse dramatic battle. You cannot play it against the CPU. There must be 3 players and 3 controllers present.
Fantastic video!!! As a fighting game fan it is not suprise that I owned both. I feel you can't go wrong with either system. I know this was only a comparison of games, but I will say the Saturn controller was perfect for fighting games where as the Dreamcast controller was not. It's a small thing but worth mentioning, as one console was ready to go out of the box and the other almost required another accessory.
Saturn handsdown!!! They even released a astro city type 2 player joystick so it felt like an arcade at home. Even the default controller is much better suited to fighting games vs dc and saturn had better 3rd party arcade sticks. most dreamcast 3ds are on the 128bit machines anyway except vf3 which i do love ... Great video
Man, I LITERALLY very recently just showed my co-worker the VAST majority of fighting games on both the Saturn and Dreamcast (and yup, I DO love me my Saturn (and it's Japanese imports)) . But dang, this is QUITE the list I never even knew of... I have obscure titles like Asuka 120%, Astra Superstars, and DXhird, but there are just some titles I've never heard of like Sasaki and Sokko Seitokai!... I NEEEEEED this entire list of fighting games!!!
The Dreamcast did get a version of Bleemcast that played Metal Gear Solid so... that was something. It also got Headhunter, which I rather enjoyed even if I did have to import it.
Amazing video as always Mr Lord X. I play my dreamcast often still, but haven't had a Saturn in a few years. Oh and only a small thing, at about 12 mins in you spelt the game as motal kombat at the bottom. Im not fussed, but in case it bothers you.
It is basically impossible to choose between the two consoles. They both have great fighters. Got great multiplayer sessions memories from Virtua Fighter 2 and Fighters Megamix while I've got amazed with Soul Calibur, Power Stone 2 or Capcom vs SNK.
