Sauron vs. Aragorn vs. Tom Bombadil vs. Shelob | Commander Clash S15E5 

Cute that you think the movies are only two and a half hours

@@VivBrodock I mean it's only 20 minutes shorter than fellowship and the first game they played of the precons was over 3 hours so pretty close

Would be a nightmare for the editor but I'll love to see an half hour version of those video, don't have time for the full 3 hour gameplay

Lol

he was like father to me

thats just how it be sometimes, not his fault but not the others as well

Man imagine if he could right

@@nathangardner4084 It's definitely the others fault are you mental? They didn't have to hate him out of the game.

I have a suspicion that is tomer

yes this

Yeah literally why I watched this video back was to see what he put together for Aragorn, just to waste 2 1/2 hours of my time watching everyone put all their resources into fucking him over all game.

😢

I really miss the old intro music.

why? the new one is so much better

@@FableErrejeDMR agree to disagree

Aragorn really isn't a "play on 4" commander. It's more like a "play on 7 with a charm in hand". It draws insane aggro and has no protection.

I mean, I get it the first 2 or 3 times it got killed lol but after awhile it just felt silly

The board wipes didn’t just target arragon and I think the hate was split between him and crim perfectly balanced as all things should be

if your deck relies on your commander like voltron that's kinda the risk

Turn order bullying, they're making Seth answer him because he's up next.

The 1% vs middle class 😅

I like how the deck's price is what you focus on. Charms is a cool build, but they are all dirt cheap. Every deck at their power level is gonna have a "price advantage" on Lucky Charms 🍀

I wanted to keep it brief since the rest of the table would fall asleep :(

​@@MTGGoldfishCommander You also missed that Morgoth isn't a Maiar he was one of the Airnur. It goes The GOD, the Airnur which can be called God's as they are the ones that created the different races. Then the Maiar are angels that serve the Airnur.

​@atk9989 sorry what did I miss? I fell asleep reading that

@@atk9989 Ainur is the term for all the immortal spirits that existed before the creation of Middle Earth, which includes the Maiar. The term you wanted was the Valar, which Melkor/Morgoth was.

​@@exsnypreFunnily enough the Elves were originally Ainur. Made to be the successors of the Valar, but many ended up falling and being cast out to Middle Earth.

Wait, really? Oops...

@@MTGGoldfish Yeah it showed that poor ewit was an option but got ignored :( Lol

I was upset when I saw that, too 😂

@@MTGGoldfish The best part was the others tried to help you out but nope :D you didn't believe them.

This is why soul shatter is my favorite black removal spell in the game. It’s not perfect, but hitting the highest cost creature of every opponent is insane

@@skykur Soul Shatter is a great answer to Sauron! Grave Pact effects work great too since you're not casting anything extra for the edict

Shouldred's edict works too

Nothing wrong with a commander centric deck. Tomer just needed way better protection for his pseudo-Voltron commander

People were probably skipping it.

I also feel like he isn’t playing enough Sagas. I only counted 20.

I'm afraid the new trend will be instead of spot removal everyone will just mainboard 10 boardwipes

@@2strokemopedlife459 even in a boardwipe heavy deck that I have (8 board wipes) which is on theme with the control theme for Nevinryyal, I still run plenty of single target removal so that I don’t constantly reset myself dealing with 1 threat.

@@TinyLegs15243 running a lot of single target removal sounds like a bad idea in a nevin deck. having nevinryyal die basically resets the board and provides zombies if he comes back on the same turn.

@@thegreatestblood it’s good if you run not a lot of creatures and are going infinite.

Yes that's good deckbuiling for better or for worse.

Part of it I'm sure was Crim playing it up as "the troll" since thats sort of his character in the crew. That said, this is definitely one of those games where, were I in Tomer's shoes, I'd have scooped and found another game instead.

Tomer is the kind of player who makes greedy plays and then whines about getting punished. I'm surprised there are people who feel sympathetic for him. If you don't want to keep getting blown out, try to play with some nuance. Jamming your commander on a vulnerable board over and over and then complaining about it? Not a good look.

@@jeffe2267 This was a perfect summation of exactly what I have been thinking.

@@jeffe2267 Yeah, if Crim's shtick is making troll plays, then Tomer's is making *bad* plays and then getting salty when they don't work out.

​@@jeffe2267how is playing your commander in a deck that does nothing without it a greedy play? Plus it wasn't just board wipes, even Seth was using targeted removal on Tomers commander.

A lesson for *every* deck that relies on its commander

I always thought it was a solid card as well. It draws 3 cards at worst and it's guaranteed to have 2 cards that are playable. They don't always have to be ramp pieces or "bad" cards if your deck is built with it in mind.

Yep it's honestly why I was glad when Crim was gone actual games happen when you don't have 2 players at war every game, Richard sitting there watching until he wins and Seth tagging in against Tomer 60% of the time.

It's because Crim cries every time he gets targeted and will try to talk them out of them every single time. As soon as he gets attacked or targeted you can skip 3 minutes ahead because it's just "no why are you targeting me please don't I'll be your friend look at the others they have a forest I'm not the threat" until they relent.

Idk I thought it was funny

Taking into account that you put "Commander Clash" and "They don't team up on Tomer for no reason" in the same sentence, I don't think that exists. ;)

I also feel these guys tend to be dicks to Tomer. He really suffers for 3 hours for their entertainment

@@abisadeonasanwo2789 A bit. Some of it is definitely playued up for "laughs" That being said, in my local community we've had a few folks with similar attitudes / playstyles (one really kinda similar to Crim) whom we had to _kindly_ explain they either needed to change their behavior... or they were no longer welcome to game with us.

There is no bad behavior or bad etiquette here anywhere. Sometimes things dont line up and the timing is not on your side, especially in a 4 player game. Tomer is not really being targeted personally or hated on, y‘all are crazy if you think that. You also cant always wait until someone is a clear threat on board until you go after them, but have to use the window of opportunity to improve your chances. In the end these are adults hanging out and playing a game - if there would be a big underlying issue, I’m sure they would be able to resolve it

Yeah this game has had some dreadful threat assessment, Crim was pretty clearly in the lead for about 90% of the game and yet no one really wanted to interact with him. That and the never ending wraths results in a game that drags out for so long where every player is limping along.

They didn't really team up though. It was all just talk. There was that thing about not doing anything to what Crim summons(Sheoldred) but it wasn't really a factor because it got removed immediately.

Yeah Seth missed it a few times. He was real sure it was 1 creature even when Richard asked about it targeting multiple creatures. 😩

Yeah, this episode was a bit aggressively cut to avoid being another 3h+ video (the game definitely was), and on his turn he just drew and played a tapland

The decklists are in the article linked at the top of the description, as always.

@@Niuttuc oh thanks I was looking for them in thw description

Eh, a solid B ;)

I actually couldn’t finish one of the Goldfish podcasts bc Seth kept calling Aragorn “Argon/Aragon” and I was just over it. When he mispronounced Rivendell, I almost stopped watching this game 😭

Mispronouncing fantasy names with your friends is fun, only a small subsection of genre fans take it so seriously and that should not be the norm IMO. This stuff is supposed to be fun.

Not necessarily. It's not "draw the worst 3 cards", it's "draw the 3 least useful cards for the situation", which can be pretty bad. But it certainly isn't always bad.

The effect is worse than draw 3 and reveals your entire deck to the table.

Aside from that first fight spell, almost everything else was incidental. I felt so bad but it was also hilarious to see everyone trying to recast their 14 mana commander. XD

@edwarddavidson868 idk I feel like a Saturday morning cartoon villain every time my army gets stopped in its tracks by a mana dork. If they are the ones dying than why do I feel like the chump?

This is why you play something to give it trample.

Otawara requires 4 mana to use. Crim was 1 short.

​@@IQuarentOh good catch.

I mean maybe if Tom was good yeah but Tom is genuinely just worse Atogatog

Then correcting Richard, who knows the correct way it functions.

@@FidoPhilanthropist My theory is if you are going to be wrong you have to be confidently wrong ;)