Sauron vs The Lich King: The Death Battle | Asmongold Reacts 

No it's hot cause it's melting

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Well, pretty liquid 🤘

the only thing the video forgot to take into account is that the Frostmourne was created to steal souls so on the basis that Sauron is a spirit, it would have a disadvantage.

Idk lol saruon got killed by a regular dude and an elf 🧝‍♂️

And yet even Gandalf would never take that damn thing.

Wait, LOtR noob here. I thought the Ring corrupted whoever wore it? So wouldn't it make Gandalf into a mindless servant of Sauron?

@@alexblake5369 Maybe eventually, but remember - Sauron ran from a man that possessed the One Ring, solely because he could be destroyed by his own power. If you have that argument, then why did he run from Isildur? Gandalf didn't avoid the ring because the potential of becoming enslaved to Sauron, but because he knew that the corruption would come in the desire to dominate and control. Being a maiar meant that he had the potential to become a dark force equal or greater than Sauron. After, of course, striking him down.

@@alexblake5369 The thing is like corruption does not occur instantly and also that Gandalf is of the same specie as Sauron : a Maiar. And he was sent in Middle Earth specifically to counter Sauron's influence. According to Tolkien's letters, had Gandalf taken the One Ring, he would have become stronger than Sauron and could have been able to destroy him. After that, he would have become even worst than him as, convinced of doing good, he would have turned middle-earth into an absolute dictatorship of perfect order under his own will and command.

@@alexblake5369 The one ring was not a ring that enslaved the user, it's the one that enslaved others. Gandalf didn't want the ring because he would have been tempted and taken the power for himself. Hence the line: "Don't tempt me Frodo!" Gandalf with the one ring probably could have overthrown Sauron, but at the cost of who he is.

For some reason that made me respect him a bit. He clearly read the books or at least did research.

Only a little. Basic stuff any tolkien fan should know

@@leonard9624 🙄

I believe he once told on stream that he debated with a friend of his at school on who knows Tolkien lore more.

I don't think its obscure its just accurate, people who don't look into lore might think its obscure. LOTR lore is wild and every fantasy fan should look into it. Either on youtube or just reading the source material. That's just my opinion tho I WAS GENUINLY surprised he knew so much tho, whenever someone talks about LOTR and think they know what they are talking about but barely do. Its kinda cringe.

Why would LK pick up the one ring when his armor does everything it does 50 times better?

@@ANDELE3025 What the One Ring exactly does is never clear because we only ever see its effects when it is worn by Sauron and when it is worn by a hobbit. And only the latter is seen in detail. Most agree that it amplifies abilities the wearer already has. Thus, as Hobbits are small and easy to miss, they receive invisibility. On the other hand, Sauron was wearing it right before his fall and he was not invisible, but was cleaving through swathes of armored warriors with each swing. There is no reason not to expect it to stack with what the LK already has. And again, it's influence is more sinister in that it makes you want it. It makes you see yourself as better with it, and this influence scales with how powerful and how ambitious you already are.

@@Revenant-oq9ts What the one ring does is actually stated (iirc explicitly in tolkiens letters to the publisher if you dont want to take the characters descriptions of it), like the rest of the rings it takes ambition/desires and turns it into power (only not of a specific type but as general amplification) by piercing a bit through the veil of arda without falling to the everlasting darkness. Its why tom was immune to it and hobbits dont get influenced as much due to lack of and very simple desires respectively. It specifically also attracts the other rings and imposes a hypnotic effect on others proportional to the wearers own personality (or the rings). The invisibility being a explicit effect of the ring vs the effect of the ring on mortals is up to question (sauron wouldnt go invisible either way as him taking form is a effect of his magic and his will and as tolkien said, the rings powers are under his will, no matter what the fraction of sentience the ring imposes on others). Plate of the Damned meanwhile lets the wearer shrug off all magic weaker than his, protects from demons, spirits and ghosts as much as it does from blade and fist (more so technically as its lacking a lot of actually protective parts)/protect the wearers mind and soul (if any exists) and... well like the rest of the items was indestructible before retcons. And "influence desires and ambition" does nothing when one is already dead inside with the ability to psionically mind control anything within range of a eurasia sized continent (that you become aware of).

@@ANDELE3025 Well following that logic, the Plate would only protect against the One Ring if the One Ring were weaker, and if the data DB used is to believe, it is not. Plus there is a flaw in the writing there when someone is "dead inside" and simultaneously has the desire to muster up a plan and resources to end everything. A character can only be one. Not both at the same time.

Deep

Still hard to believe given the magics and enchantments in the LOTR universe pale in comparison to the Warcraft universe.

@@madmintentertainment6268 please explain I don't see it.

@@Ironwill902 magic in tolkien's works exists and can be very powerful, it just isn't used as often as powerful magicks are in something like WoW or LoL or other mediums, neither is it super flashy

@@Ironwill902 watch the battle between saruman and gandalf at caradhras. i think it was not in the books, but it's a good demonstration of what is magic in tolkien world.

@@bBleedingMoon Bro if it's not in the books I'm not going to take it seriously. All that does it boost a character to a power level that makes no sense and sets up a character to win when they shouldn't. So no the most I will say when middle-earth was somewhat equivalent was during the first age.

Neither did i. But it makes sense if you think about it haha

Also his warhammer knowledege surprised me, true nerd ;)

There’s other videos of him spitting out LOTR lore. And he’s really spot on with most of it

@@BigMikey1776 I remember stumbling across a video a while ago and he was talking about obscure characters that I had completely forgotten about. Granted it's been like 20 years since I've read the books and Asmon seems to be able to recall information well (as evidenced in his transmog comps and ban appeals), I can't say I'm surprised he remembers it all.

@@jackoridge6754 which is funny because the silmarillion is more interesting lmo

There’s also very little of it, as most of the filming was on location and the magic stuff was fairly light.

thats because its cgi+practical effects

@@abhabh6896 20% cgi 80% practical fucking mad lads

Na they just knew how to use it and when

No? Sauron fought both Gil-Galad and Elendil and was heavily wounded/maimed by the two as they died - Sauron shattered the blade Elendil had been using, Narsil, as he defeated them by stepping on the blade and Isildur picked up his father's broken sword by the hilt and used it to cut off Sauron's finger in the confusion.

@@Blissy1175 That's from the films...not from the actual lore. The films changed it. In the actual lore it's exactly like M Armyeater mentioned. The ring was taken AFTER Sauron was already "killed".

This makes much more sense. As someone who just watched the movies, I was kinda like “How can he win against the Lich King when he was just beat by some random guy?”

@@seilamano3974 Sauron also grabs Gil-Galad and his hatred for the elf king burns so hot that Gil-Galad literally gets roasted alive. The burns ended up killing him.

@Jim Harrington No.

@@CadavreSansNoms dont forget that he reacts to reactions made on those reactions... That means people like Josh Strife would have uploaded a reaction to it without him actually doing it just so that the reation to the reaction would be made. I call it the Asmon Paradox. Literally rewriting time...

@@edgyguy7084

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Sauron fought two gods, at the same time. Or if you want to nerf gandalf, you can say sauron fought a God and an avatar of a god.

arthas ripped his own heart out after fighting illidan pretty metal tbh

Lol? Sounded emo as fuck. Arthas listen to linkin park and watch ulquiorra amvs?

​@@kintsugi3932 You say that like that's a bad thing.

Have you ever looked at him?

@@BigKnecht meaning what ?

@@BigKnecht lots of room ridden baldies don’t read.

im was surprised too, as a tolkein die hard fan i was blown away by how much he knew

@@TheeGoodSir yup same.

not really, I believe it is stated that Sauron cannot shape shift into the physical forms he died in. For example the werewolf form or the one he had in Numenor,. He could still shape shift into other forms.

@@danmorariu9889 This topic is much discussed among book fans because this doesn't have a 100% clear answer. What we know definitely is that he lost his ability to take on a "fair" form so he definitely couldn't turn into Annatar again nor any other form in which he could deceive the elves in. He could only take on "vile" forms, to what forms exactly we don't know. A big clue to the complete loss of his ability is the fact that his body still only has 9 fingers during lotr even after reforming his body which took thousands of years.

True but we're doing strongest form of each, hence why we got Arthas Lich King

@@BapeRuLLZ that a deleted scene or something? I don't remember seeing him except his death

@@Rhodair I think he can be seen one time in a deleted scene standing on top of his tower, but in the books it is made very clear he has a physical body. The big eye on top of the tower is a movie-only thing. In the books he personally tortures Smeagol and later Smeagol talks about this to the hobbits and mentions that he only has 9 fingers. He doesn't need the ring to have a body, the 'exploding upon getting my finger cut-off' is also a movie thing, in the books they just kill his body and cut off his finger after that.

their lore is abit all over the place but i think it does come down to the lich king's sword needs a counter or excessively powerful force to destroy it and sauron's ring needs a specific mountain that in this scenario could be in another galaxy and you also need to read the ring or know its history to kill sauron plus overall sauron spent thousands of years outsmarting his superiors in power and his equals while growing in all forms of power and he started off as the equivilent of a cosmic being 2 levels below the god of his multiverse so in comparison the lichking is just kinda out of his depth since he is at his highest point planatary

Look, if (og) lich king was still alive Lizzard writers would still have their necro waifu Sylvanas step all over him with ease.

​@@Ark-oi3qySauron was defeated after having been smited by his universe's God, having been brought to a fraction of his power, before being double-teamed by the legendary ruler of a race of superhumans and one of the greatest Elven warriors that ever lived, both of whom had some of the strongest magical items any mortal ever wielded. Yes, Sauron took a millennium to come back. But only after something that would kill the Lich King twice over.

@@Ark-oi3qy Gil-Galad and ELENDIL were both the strongest fighters of their races, wielding legendary weapons and they barely managed to 'throw Sauron down', while losing their own lifes. And all that when Sauron was in a weakened state. he had permanently lost his maiar 'body', which was destroyed by the Creator himself and was only able to assume a lesser form. Tulkas winning against Sauron is also kind of a weak argument, since Tulkas is quite literally The Ultimate Fighter, who would win against anyone in a 1-on-1 fight, including Melkor, the overall most powerful of the Valar.

This was after he had basically already beaten Ecthelion.

@Human374 even Gandalf was only able to defeat Durin's Bane *AFTER* the Balrog sustained a terminal velocity fall plus a dousing.

@@Etherealsighting They fought for 3 days and 2 nights on top of that. Granted Gandalf was massively limited on the power he was allowed to use.

He shouldn't have skipped his swimming lessons.

Ecthellion was a first age noldor elf bathed in the lights of the trees and general of gondolin, not some random dude.

If Arthas got his hands on the ring, the ring would certainly have trouble controlling him since he has both his own soul, and Ner'Zul's. The real issue would be "snatching" the ring, though...

@@oddvoid if you read the books isildur only cut the ring off a corpse, the films kinda fucked that scene up for brevity since it would need to show that 2v1 fight before it with Elendil and Gil Galad dealing death blows to Sauron and dying in the process

@@SquirrelGamez The ring is able to enchant Angel level beings. luring Arthas/Nerzhul whould be a non issue....

@@garymcjerry the ring basically is him, he imbued himself and all his power almost into the ring. Everything the ring is Saurons will basically

@@thehermit8723arthas made a whole as citadel of a old god blood. For normal mortals they snaps just even liking at it and made every shit with it and even undead was hearing voice he is invulnerable of corruption a this state even the jailor couldn’t

same! lmao

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Freaking same. My mind auto-corrected the word "death" in the title with the word "rap" the moment I saw the title of the video. God damn.

Especially since in a lot of Death Battles they’ve stated that fights could easily last for days or years Like Dio vs Alucard where they stated that because Dio had such a brutally reliable way to maneuver away and around Alucard with time stopping, a never ending supply of blood that he could reliably feed off of for in infinite stamina, and light speed feats by matching the light speed attacks of Star Platinum, he could hide during the day and return to finish the progress he’s made taking Alucard’s lives

Very true that fact changes a lot of the animations because so many of them would just be boring like realistically speaking Omni Man versus homelander would have homelander speed Blitz Nolan only to literally shatter upon impact

wouldn't work. The ring is bound to the world, if the ring exist Sauron will return. Sauron as a Maia was able to travel the planes and return to the Iluvatar's embrace whenever he wanted but he rejected that and bound himself to the world with the ring.

Exactly, not to mention that melkor nerfed himself when he decided to wear the silmarils, they handicapped him. Fingolfin , and even feanor we’re outstanding warriors and powerful elves, perhaps the most, except that idiot feanor was too much of a douche canoe and had his head up his ass, but he stood against several balrogs , including gothmog, until he got overwhelmed and killed.

Both defeated by mortals so the same results.

The only reason Fingolfin could fight melkor was by that time he had used much of his power spreading darkness. If it was at he height of his power, Fingolfin would not have stood a chance in hell. Melkor was as powerful as all the original valar put together many times over.

@@ericswenson7504Tolkien elves are not mortal

@@jcbillman they die to mortal wounds they are in fact mortals. Long living isn't the same as immortality.

@@itachitsukuyomidcuo9853 Nah, Definitely way better than the RoP Showrunners. There are tons of 6 year olds who are better at LotR lore than them.

You realise the Tolkien estate limited them in what they could and couldnt use? Their source material was literally cliff notes and were given free reign on what they wanted to add as long as the general story of the 2nd age was kept the same. But im sure you and the youtuber you watched know more than Tolkiens estate and his literal words.

@@deathswitch2404 RU-vid's least pretentious comment

a chimpanzee with autism knows lotr better than rop showrunners

@@deathswitch2404 Even so, AMazon hired mediocore writers, and NEVER THE BEST. Just imagine a a billion dollar project, down the drain, cause your workers suck at improvising + wokeness.

Wow it's almost like one was the inspiration for the other one. Crazy stuff

What I think would realisticaly happen tho, would be that such a death battle would never occur. Sauron would see Lich King comming and would manipulate him to join his side. Like he did with Saruman. It would be even easier, as Lich King would be far more willing to join Sauron and become his champion. Perhaps he would even gain a ring to even increase his power in exchange. With both of them working together, the Orcish Horde and the Undead army would also be under Sauron's complete controll. So Orcs wouldn't fight against Lich King, and Army of the Dead would not fight on Aragorn's side either. Or even if it would, it would be now countered by even greater undead army from Lich King.

damn warcraft really ripped off lotr, shameless

@@sten260 Well ... yeah. So did the most of fantasy stuff. From D&D to Warhammer to MtG to movies like The Sword and the Sorceror and Willow... Actualy Warcraft took a lot of elements from these older sources and did their own spin. But not just fantasy. And not just Lotr. They also took from Star Wars. Arthas is a good knight (paladin) who converts to undead and becomes the leader of that which he wowed to destroy. Killing his former comerades in the Paladin order. As well as his former teacher, Uther. Compare that to Darth Vader. Who was good Jedi knight who converts to the Dark side and eventualy becomes the leader of that which he wowed to destroy, killing almost all the members of the Jedi order, he once belonged to. I say that's at least a passing similarity.

I disagree - The Lich King is more on the lines of The Witch King (Can you see the reason?) than he is on Sauron's level. Sauron is more on the level of Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden which would have been better match-ups for him. This was a clear Mismatch from the start. I'd more akin Sauron to Archimonde and Morgoth to Sargeras.

@@Asghaad ummm...no lol your right about power levels being incomparable, but the deities, Maiar, and Valar are much stronger than most if not all of Warcrafts denizens

@@Asghaad the proof is in the Similarion lol

@@Asghaad yep lol

@@Asghaad you welcome I wish you a good day! 🤗

Balrogs would solo most of Azeroth

Note that Sauron was a capable master of dark magic and craftsman. He also managed to trick and control elves and dwarves and men with rings. Even more so the ring gives him lots of power it's his soul and power even if Lich King can pull something off, no way Sauron was gonna be able to lose so easily.

A Maiar spirit is in no way comparable to a normal mortal soul, you’re talking about a magic ice sword absorbing the atemporal, aspatial, deathless essence of an entity that helped sing every concept and thing into existence from a void outside all possible realities Frostmourne couldn’t absorb an Ainu anymore than it could absorb a Platonic Form

Frostmourne cannot absurd Sauron’s soul. Sauron’s spirit is too powerful and it was designed to absorb mortal souls. Not god like being souls

Way weaker than the one ring. And while the ring is a core to his power, he doesn’t need it for basic things while Arthas was rendered completely useless without the sword.

@@homelander2243 I wouldn't go as far as say it's way weaker, considering the feats it had in the lore prior to the retcons were quite impressive and effortless. However, I can give you that Arthas is fucked without the Frostmourne as that was the main source of power, meanwhile Sauron has the edge of being what he is, and forging the cursed items himself.

Yeah he’s definitely letting his bias overcome the facts and calculations. I mean it’s not new that asmon is kinda stubborn

To be fair their rules are very inconsistent and don't work.

@@TheCrispyTwinkies Ha your talking like Death Battle isn't bias.

Yes definitely his first time watching. They have alot of good content hopefully he goes through and checks them out. However they do have bias and have been proven incorrect in their scaling by some well known powerscalers. That being said, they got this one right, and regardless of a few questionable outcomes in their very long series, they are entertaining and knowledgeable. A very entertaining fight they have is Popeye the Sailor vs Saitama from OPM.

@@entropy7705 also, just the idea of power scaling Sauron. A fill-in for just the concept of evil and misery. You don’t kill Sauron. You overcome him. (Well.. you try) Im all for squeezing your favorite fiction for all it is worth, but these calc videos have always felt like a detour in the direction of missing the point.

Sauron was a prisoner.... just by talking he went from prisoner to high priest, converting the entire island into a Morgoth based religion and becoming the be all end all authority to them..... JUST....BY....TALKING.

To be fair, Illidan had plot armor/power

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@@narsakucanada154 Amen, brother in Christ!

@@narsakucanada154 Grow up. No one cares. Fairy tales are not real and a immoral one like the one you belive in is evil.

This Illidan is OP compared to the one of warcraft 3 (especially since he had the guldan skull for a long time) + he's the jailer of Sargeras now so it's pretty impressive now

the elves weren't given rings by Sauron. Celebrimbor made The Three himself. THe rings given by, and made with impot from, Sauron were the Seven and the Nine.

You'd have to be cutting off every other comic *insert earth number* otherwise. Unless its downright a contradiction to cannon and non official it still counts. Shadow of mordor is still official so its fair game.

@@Sephiroso. During his time on Númenor, Sauron had disguised himself in a handsome mortal form, but its sinking destroyed his body and permanently robbed him of the ability to shape-shift. His spirit fled back to Mordor, where he built a new body and regained his strength. I just copied and pasted this but this is what I think their mostly referencing. Basically its something that's more possible than not if he has the ring, without it he can't really do anything as a spirit though is my guess of what your referencing.

@@Sephiroso. the animation is just for show theirs really no telling if the lich king could actually use the curse on sauron since his human form is never really considered "organic". Like if his body is just a magical husk I could see it not working at all. (Its just sort of a matter of perception)

Since when has the sword a silmaril? It wasn't even elvish. Not to mention he didn't break the sword, it broke under ellendil's body as he fell. Edit: or are you talking about another sword?

In the lore we know, only pure light can destroy froustmourne

@@qgqsrg1 in the books it's said Narsil was forged from a cut piece silmaril from the crown of Morgoth, which contained however many stars

@@koreancowboy42 could you cite it? because I can't find any source supporting that, none of the description from the book mention what it was made of, just that it was made by the dwarf Telchar who made a knife that cut a Silmaril from the crown of Morgoth and that it was shiny (far from being the only one); although it did say it was magical and could tear through armors, but still not unique trait for lotr weapons. Furthermore the sword did break from just the falling body of Ellendil, so idk about its durability even if it was a beast at cutting.

​@@koreancowboy42 the Silmarils couldn't be broken or shaped after they were forged. The only one who knew the secret of their composition was/is Feanor, and he'll never tell cause he's Feanor. A weapon infused with something as significant as a Silmaril would be the subject of intense legend. We would have heard something about it. There's nothing in the texts, unfortunately, supporting anything otherwise.

The Lich King is resilient to mind manipulation

@@KiraNightV My coat is water resilient but it still gets water through if it is concentrated enough.

@@KiraNightV You mean resistant? Also, Sauron being a master of manipulation technically has nothing to do with mind manip.

@@KiraNightV Saurons manipulation doesnt need to be magic based. LK is an evil guy... Sauron cant understand good at all, but he knows bad....

@@JoshTheHoffman Tell that to the Old God's and they make Sauron look like a newborn baby in comparison.

Yeeeah should've had a quick undead minions bit

That wasn't a miss, it just wasn't a factor in this fight since it's just a 1v1. Though I thought they did mention that stuff.

They did mention it. It even happened in the battle. Watch the video.

@@soulcyclone360 I did, in the fight there was no major usage of the undead by either side, both basically smacked each other for awhile and then sauron shattered Frostmourne (something he probably couldn't actually pull off). Both are rulers (one is a lord the other a king) who not only fight mainly with their respective armies and their armies are a major part of their power. No one is afraid of arthus without the scourge and Sauron isn't a real threat without his army, so a comparison between their respective fighting forces (and how the would use them in a one on one fight) is relavint.

@@Daggy1111 so when Arthus impaled Sauron and said that he serves him now, implying that he was trying to take him over with the Scourge but ultimately failed, that just didn't count for you?

the miar and first age elves were not close to being gods, only the valar could be considered and theyre all lower case g gods

That was only the wizards, so they would help guide humanity into solving its dark lord problem instead of just taking over and beating Sauron themselves. Every other time the auinur are at full strength

@@timsaylor4390 no it litterly says that every ainur got limited in power. If Melkor wasn't limited he would have destroyed Eä without a thought

The valar have never been nerfed, they were ordered to stay out of the elves and men business, totally different thing. As far as the wizards, they were the only ones that were nerfed because they were sent to be guides , and that’s it.

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A little too much with getting the Nazgul and Sindragosa involved. This is a 1v1 fight supposedly

I'm a fan of both worlds but I agree with you. Sauron is just stronger in almost every way.

@@gerbo8018 his mace is the extention of himself though. Like he could theoretically just morph into a gain werewolf the size of a Balrog and fight like that. His mace as his armor literally appear as the one being which is Sauron. Maybe I am wrong though.

@@gerbo8018 yeah, the whole "holy" thing is confusing for me. Because I'm not sure if Ashbringer beats Frostmourne because it has some sort of "holy" property or purely strength that is considered "holy". I feel like it's second option. But maybe I'm wrong.

@@gerbo8018 oh, I see now, thanks.

@@vitaliyred622 Another point about Saurons mace: Even if it was not an extension of himself (which it probably is), we have to remember that Sauron is an *absolute* beast of a Blacksmith. And let's be honest, would a semi-godlike being, who's known for smithing, create a weapon that doesn't measure up to itself? I doubt it.

That being said, if Sauron can be beaten at his peak by a handful of Elves and Humans, essentially crippling his power and removing his physical form...that makes me believe that if the Lich King can kill the physical body with his plague, the only way he can be beaten by Sauron's "spirit form" is if Sauron somehow convinces the LK that he is his servant and distracts him. Sauron only ever won a single battle in his 2000 years as Dark Lord. He was not an amazing warrior, but rather a cunning strategist. I just don't see Sauron being able to take on LK one on one, if we are to go with Tolkien lore.

@@rhyknowsden Whenever Sauron's physical form is destroyed, it takes a long time and a lot of power for him to reform. So in a purely martial contest I think the Lich King beats him most of the time, but if we're just looking at the animation as a fun show instead of a real result then that changes things. Sauron is far smarter and experienced, in a 'real' battle of two lords who battle with large armies things are different. That being said, I think the scourge are a far stronger army than what Sauron commands in the second and third ages. However Sauron is far superior to the Lich King in all other aspects.

You are correct that the eye was a just a context device to represent Sauron in the films, but non the less, Sauron was still able to exist and fight as a spirit without a specific form, as was described in the writings.

The Eye of Sauron WAS in the books, but it appeared only in the minds of people influenced by the Ring. It's a spiritual representation of Sauron, though it can't manifest physically like in the movies.

@@rhyknowsden Look at it as a symbolism of of their wits and armies going at eachother for thousands of years. Sauron "loses" in a physical fight as Arthas is more skilled in combat. Sauron abandon his body and retreats to recover. Arthas ether A) thinks hes won or B) has no knowledge of how to defeat Saurons spiritual form. Now over the next few years, or hundreds of even thousands, Sauron re groups and regains strength. Me while hes deployed his spies and his minions within Arthas' leadership, perhaps even convincing them to fight for Sauron instead of Arthas. Sauron wins the long game every single time. Now when you look at it from a pure spiritual body fight or magic on magic (Sauron did fight Gandalf this way canonically in the books) he still wins. Saurons mind and will is much stronger then that of Arthas. But rather then showing a Death battle that takes place over thousands of years where its Sauron's armies and minions taking out the Lich King and the Scourge, they animated an epic fight of the eye representing Saurons Will, Mind, Magic and true Power, fighting Lich King and his Magic.

Wait until you read about Archaon the Everchosen of Warhammer, they weren't even subtle about it. A warrior-priest who fell to evil and wears the (I kid you not) Crown of Domination.

@@CatroiOz Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they come out the same year as well? WFB 6th Edition: Hordes of Chaos and Warcraft III? 2002.

@@bilbobagend8155 Warcraft 3 in July and that WFB in June. Though for sure the warcraft stuff was written first as that was the major plot of the game itself

I thought he was inspired by the GoT lore ? Darkshire was also related heavily if i remember

@@CatroiOz archaon predates arthas my guy

Undead Uruk-hai(not sure if I spelled that right? would be a fucken PROBLEM

Regardless, personally i think Sauron still wins, but way less onesided

@@linkek6088 I agree, it’d be way more of a spectacle but in the end, the Lich King has no reliable way of killing Sauron, or winning the battle.

Technically we didn’t beat him. Ashbringer dude did

@@t5hammer871 "Ashbringer guy" way to put respect on Tirion Fordring's name 😁

Well, if I remember correctly, in the silmarillion tolkien states that in the 'Dagor Dagorath' or the final battle, Morgoth, Sauron and all darkness will return to Arda and destroy mankind, so all Valar and Eldar will return from Valinor to fight evil again one last time according to the Ainulindale, or the song of creation.

They take a lot of liberty with the abilities it seems. Never once seen eye of acherus being used like that.

@@rayvg7709 that too, but in my opinion less of an issue than the speed feats

@@dumbboyalex4396 Just remember that DB is never 100% correct on their feats. But its already obvious that if Sauron vs LK were to be in 1 v 1, it can go in either of their favor (do you honestly think LK will have a hard time fighting Gilgalad and Elendil?) As Sauron did. ANd if we even THINK OF bringing their armies to the fight, then the Scourge fodders Saurons armies.

After fighting at Light Chapel the Lich King teleports to escape from Tirion after the Ashbringer was cleansed. Like yeah LK has gates but in the Lights Chapel quest he legit just.. teleports. When the Lich King showed up during the Argent tournament, he destroyed the ground below the champions while he was standing on it, but was still floating. Oh also in the WoW chronicle volume 3, it says that Ner’Zhul had charged his necropolis with flight magics. It’s not out of the ordinary to see him be able to fly since has has the magic to and.. has, flown. Hope this helps!

@@redenriot4577 Oh yeah, LOTR vs Lord Marrowgar/Lord Marrowsmongold

Well he is probably the first so powefull and evill antagonist created in fantasy

@@avrace2708my dude read the classics, you’ll love them. Or Beowulf.

Because it was literally impossible for anyone to willingly destroy the One Ring, as supported by the text and confirmed by Tolkien himself.

Hence why the DB brings up a multitude of feats from Maiar to scale Sauron to, as Sauron is explicitly the most powerful one.

Wrong. The Lich King was VERY KILLABLE. In fact the Lich almost died multiple times and only escaped by the skin of his teeth and ridiculous writer cheating.

Copium.

thank you, if sauron could do all this stuff then he would have won every battle he was a part of

@@muffetmissulena6540 Copium? I greatly prefer the works of Tolkien and the Silmarillion is my favorite book of all time. Soft magic makes for much better stories. Not to mention Sauron is a much more compelling character than Blizzard's 9,000th go at good guy gone bad.

@@muffetmissulena6540 Only copium is Tolkien fanboys believing LOTR universe is on the same power level of Warcraft universe.

@@skeel77730 As a LOTR fanboy, this is completely accurate. Maybe in a drawn out scenario Morgoth could eventually defeat Arthas in war, but there's no way he'd do it in a direct confrontation. And Sauron is far weaker than Morgoth.

They lowballed the Lich King to the extreme.

​@@Ironwill902They lowballed both massively because, as they said, their upper levels were nebulous. Both can get a lot stronger, but you can always get Sauron higher.

@megashark1013 Magic and magic use are very limited in middle-earth. Once you use magic in middle-earth, it's gone and gone forever. Sauron has his limits even with the one ring.

Depends on how he can break Domination magic or so...

The linch king? The king of the old south?

@@highfivedog2336a literal dark lord

Gotta love auto fill. Lol, fixed now.

@@Kiazhin it was better when he was the linch king.