part of the reason why the chassé latéral (savate side kick) is so fast is because nearly all savate kicks share a chambering movement so you might be expecting the travel time of a fouetté ( whipping kick) but instead you get hit with the shorter travel time of the chassé
coup de pied bas is the shovel kick and can be used in the pocket to intercept or sweep the lead shin, so it wouldn’t have been a particularly easy time for Dekkers in the pocket anyways
Maybe, but when you prepare a chassé, you will not have your leg in the same position than a fouetté For a chassé, the knee will be in direction of the shoulder and the footplant directed to the oponent, while for a chassé the knee will be directed to the oponent
@@GeorgesHaudebourg I think the point is that the chambering for the chassé is pretty much a feint for the fouetté. When the knee go past the point, most opponents already commited to defend the fouetté
The way Penacchio is reading Dekkers moves and distance is fantastic. And Ramon always preferred straight hard sequences instead of a permanetly moving target who can sting anywhere. It's true that this moving technique requires a great cardio but it's really efficient, especially when a fighter can place the "special" fouetté just in the lower part of the thigh located just above the backside of the knee : the result is a paralysis of the thigh that can last several minutes and the opponent just can't stay on his legs.
ramon dekkers, the legend got presented with something he hadnt seen before. back then this sort of fluid movement wasnt so well known so he didnt know how to deal with it properly, or probably hadnt sparred anyone like that. amazing
Life getting a lot better. I had some muscles in my face that I've been learning to control so it'll help me not have glasses and vision related headaches anymore.
@@kevinlobos5519 I have a video of the fight before that, the next one came so sudden in the tournament so we didn't have enough time to prepare and film it 🥲 I lost to that guy anyway haha, to be fair he didn't have a fight before me so he was fresh, while I had faught a tough oponent and then him (he'd still win probably though)
I think you covered another Pennacchio fight on this channel awhile back, which was more of a standard no-elbows Muay Thai match. I think he was landing with his shins in that one, in addition to throwing more Savate style kicks. I've seen a few of Dekkers' fights where this pattern emerges. He seemed to have trouble with opponents who wouldn't hang out in the pocket and trade with him.
Savate training often begins with absolutely brutal isometric cardio "warm ups", just like Fencing training or indeed Ballet dancing you are going to jump rope and sidestep back and forth until you puke blood and your ankles are grinded to dust before you even lace the gloves. You are not making the top of the Savate world without insane cardiovascular genetics and isometric strength.I know it's cliché but Bruce Lee studied Savate and thats probably how he really understood the value of isometrics for combat sports (and movie stunts),turns you into a tense springy fella bouncing around all day long😁.
Fouette: Similar to a round house kick, Chasse Lateral: Side kick, Chasse Frontal: Front Push Kick, Revers Frontal: Outside Crescent Kick, Revers Lateral: Like a hook kick, Coup de Pied Bas: like De Ashi Barai in Judo, Low sweeping Kick. I learned this from "Chadi" last night.
Je suis surpris a chaque fois que je regarde ce combat par la façon dont François arrive à encaisser les coups de Ramon .Son cardio est incroyable.Bravo a lui d avoir tenu tous ces rounds victoire méritée.2 grands champions
I had to double check several times - Dekkers was definitely orthodox the first half of the fight, then switched to southpaw (then back to orthodox). He was probably alternating lead legs after too much punishment/attrition to each.
Great fight and really insightful commentary. I remember watching videos on the art of Savate back in the early 90's after playing a game in the Amiga called Panzer Kickboxing. Loved the fluid style and interesting range of kicks and combos. There is a channel on YT by Nguyen Trung Hoai that has a series of old school videos from around the same era featuring instruction and demonstrations by Professor Salem Assli.
Panza Kickboxing*, named after André Panza (9 world titles in Savate, Kick Boxing and Full-Contact), the fighter whose moves have been digitized (a bit like Prince Of Persia game moves have been scanned). Naming this game Panzer Kickboxing would only have been legit if there German tanks were featured instead of boxers.
@@chucku00 😅🤣Thanks for the correction! So long ago I couldn't recall but your reply is awesome, as a game with kickboxing AND tanks would have been amazing to my younger self back in the 90's 🤭
@@CaptainButtonMasher Yup, it would have been cool : if the tanks ran out of ammo or gas before someone has won, the drivers would have to get out of their tanks to end the fight in kick boxing!
I love the story of this fight, the tactical back and forth. It starts with Pennacchio doing his thing and scoring. Then Dekkers start to push in to exchange punches. Then Pennachio starts to throw one-twos with a low kick to stop that. Then Dekkers find the midlle kick. Then Pennachio finds the low kick counter. This is not one of these brutal fights of breaking each other, it's fine art
Tireurs (proper name for savate fighter) are often really fast with efficient reflex. Our kicks are less powerful if we have to compare to other styles. Mainly because, fighting with shoes, we don't need strength but we value more speed. You have to understand that in a savate fight with shoes you can't handle so many low kicks, it hurts a lot.
I mean, as some people have pointed out to me, we aren't so sure about that. But i do believe that Savate, at the very least, made kicking popular in Japan, which then made it prominent in Karate. White Crane Kung Fu (one of the styles that Karate takes more stuff from) did have high kicks in the nothern parts of China
Yeah the Dutch really didn't need to go to Japan to be aware of this kind of kicking style considering France is right next door.Plenty of French Savateurs taught their style in the Netherlands going way back.I'm pretty sure the "Karate" aspect of Dutch Kickboxing originated directly from Savate and not from Savate by way of Karate.Karate has been the most popular since the 70's and now is overwhelmingly associated with theses kicks, but before that Savate was extremely influential in the world as far as kicking goes, just like boxing was for punching.
@@redwithblackstripes The Dutch kickboxing is influenced heavily by karate but it's kyokushin karate in particular so the kicking influence is closer to Muay Thai than American kickboxing or savate anyway.
So, guys, try this on a bag. There’s two different ways of throwing a round house kick, (spectate to the tradition muay thai way) - One is with the flat top of your foot, and the other is with the foot, toes pulled back. They both are super effective, though one has more penetration and the other is more wide spread. Both have advantages of reach. The toes pulled back (a typical mawashi geri kick) is more penetrating, and usually is known for its knockout guarantee. But it’s reach isn’t good. But can be really sneaky because you need to be quite close to the opponent, but it can sneakily come right up to the side of the head or the ribs. The other one is the usual kick with the flat foot. It has good reach. One isn’t better than the other. It’s all to do with context, of where you are positioned when sparring. Try em both.
Heres the thing with Savate, the kicks ( some) like the one like mewashi geri, they land the tip of the toes ,barefoot it would be terrible ,with shoes it changes everything ( like a boot).
There's sport competition savate and then there's street/ self-defence savate, which basically allows for all types of blows and strikes. Meaning that elbows, knees and shins are used.
The chasse frontal has a small leap or hop to it while the teep is more stationary. The leap/hop gives more speed and height as well as less telegraphing, making in more dangerous than the teep.
I hope some day i could practice savate, seem a very solid style of kickboxing and very western infleunced, i have practiced kickboxing and muay thai tho
A noter que c'est le seul combat que je connais sur le net où les combattants sont chaussées tous les 2 avec des chaussures de Savate Boxe Française !!! Où , pour une fois , ce n'est pas le combattant de Savate qui a dû enlevé ses chaussures de BF pour combattre un combattant d' un autre art martial ou sport de combat . Mais , l' autre combattant , ( Ramon Dekkers ) , qui a enfiler une paire de chaussure de BF , ( même si ils ont rajouter une protection à la chaussure ) , afin de réaliser ce combat . Donc , rien que pour ça , déjà ... Respect et merci à Ramon Dekkers d' avoir accepté de combattre sous cette condition , chaussée !!! Ce qui a permis à François Pennecchio de pouvoir pleinement employer sa Boxe Française . Et , les 2 , nous offrir ce combat épique , où chacun combat dans son style d' art martial . Car , sans la chaussure , le combattant de BF ne plus frapper avec la pointe du pied . Donc , ça change tout dans la façon de se battre . Et , se rapproche du kick boxing . Ses chaussures sont le petit détail dans ce combat qui change tout . Qui rend la chose encore plus intéressante à regarder . Donc , Merci Ramon ! T'es un bon ! C'était une pure bonne idée d' accepter de venir sur le terrain du combattant en BF . C'est unique ! C'est le seul combat que je connais où c'est le combattant de Kick , Muay Thaï , etc , qui enfile les chaussures pour faire le combat contre un combattant de BF ! Et , non l' inverse !
Great fight! Savate is so beautiful to see and efficient in managing the distance! I wonder why Pennachio didn’t throw side kicks to the leg as it would have been a great weapon. Maybe a specific rule
Ramon Dekkers just chased him around without cutting the ring for this reason he couldn't land any boxing combinations. Savate Fighter was able to win the match by circling around scoring with snappy kicks and not trading shots in the pocket. Ramon Dekkers just walked toward him without any feints or quick footwork.
In the final round, after Pennacchio had clearly won all the previous ones, you would expect Dekkers to go all-in and try whatever he can to change the outcome. But he clearly had no more stamina left and no clue against Pennacchio, who was a more aggressive and dangerous fighter even in the final round. That says it all.
Great commentary.. I think Ramon is not familiar with this guy or his style while the savate guy prb knows a lot about ramon. Either way, the kickboxer is usually moving straight forward, while the savate dude is always bouncing to get an angle to use his legs, which is his primary weapon. But this is guy, savate or not, is world class with legs and hands. Hard Man to beat.
Pennacchio se prononce comme Pinnocchio , mais avec un e et un a . Cool , que tu es allés chercher ce combat que certains , comme moi , t' avais suggérés . Excellent ce combat ! Cette différence de style d' approche du combat , etc ... Elle très expressive dans ce combat , où 2 écoles de pensées , de combat s' affronte . Enfin , bref ... Salut
Against someone that moves laterally you want to cut the ring and against someone that moves back a lot you want to stay in the pocket with them so you force them into a backwards pace they are not used to wich makes them sloppy and easier to counter. Obviously easier said than done but that's the best approach to take against someone like pennacchio.
Minor point: Ramon Dekkers was Dutch and a kickboxer but he was not a Dutch Kickboxer (style). This is a common misconception. He trained in Muay Thai and Boxing not in Dutch Kickboxing (which came from Full contact Karate and Western kickboxing blended with boxing). While similar Dutch Kickboxing has a heavy focus on leg kicks and combination punches it lacks the clinch work of Muay Thai since in Dutch style you cannot use elbows or knees to the head.
Good luck in finding a savate school. Nowhere in Los Angeles i could find aside from some online and or virtual training.. If like to learn that historical style
Yeah is rare nowadays everyone wants muay thai. I wanted sanda to be more popular. I would master savate for similar reasons it sucks lack of different styles
@@flowrepins6663in my city where I live (Genoa, Italy) there is one of the first savate schools in the world, some world champions have also emerged from that gym. Nowadays everyone wants to do kickboxing, boxing, mma, muay thai, bjj, but these sports like savate or sanda are much more interesting to see and practice, it's a shame that few people are interested.
A lot of good combat (Full force sport, "Assaut" is point scoring) in "FF SAVATE boxe française & D.A" Channel. World COmbat games also has some good combats of Savate. Now, if you want to know the basic moves explained in english, seek for Salem Assli videos called "Mastering Savate"
@@junichiroyamashita well its not about superiority for me but i just liked how much more it showcased the art of kicking mor than the art of brutality lol I just like looking at beautiful and clean techniques lmaoo but thats only me as a person i grew up In point karate
The padded feet actually helps the Dutch kickboxer. The main weapon in a Savate kick are the toes, sides of the feet, and the heel. If these are padded, there is no way the Dutch style kickboxer can be hurt. On the other side, kickboxers routinely use their well conditioned shins for striking like a wooden baseball bat.
Beautiful fight! Unfair!: " move so different...the *fascia sling* [swing?] is different." Now I can't rest until I learn wtf you could have possibly meant by fascia sling (other than female stress incontinence).
When fighting mobility and you can’t match it, trade power for speed of attack, combinations, and balance, and thus staying defensively responsible enough to switch to power and able to not fall too behind on significant strikes landed. This should burn up the cardio of the opponent and keep his mind on the backfoot even more so. There’s no direct replacement for mobility and foot position though.
Savate definitely uses feet, not shins. Although I have to admit the more savate matches I watch on your channel the more I think maybe the savate I learned wasn't "pure" but instead borrowed some stuff from karate. The savate I learned was less squared up and had a lot of backfists and spinning kicks. Or maybe the stuff you find is less "pure" and borrows a lot from boxing. 🤔
@@crisalcantara7671 In the late 1800s, especially from 1867, when the young Emperor Meiji asked France to come and train its military. The film 'The Last Samurai' takes place in this context, except that it was not Americans, nor Tom Cruise, but French soldiers. If you want more details, Jesse Enkamp made a video on this subject!
I have been wondering how much Savate and American Kickboxing would flow. The latter kicking was mostly inspired by TKD,the spinning strikes comes from that. They both have a great amount of focus on good boxing,but I believe Savate suits american characteristics better .
Savateurs are used to move a lot becase they want to avoid the hard tipped shoe. You can see penacchio does toe kicks and they make no damage when no shoes on. But in general, savateurs are great boxers too. Sure Dekkeres is ok too. But many savateurs compete in normal boxing as well, and do well.
Those are just footpads. there is no pad or sole under they feet. the pad only covers the tops if the foot to prevent injuries and dissipate some of the force when kicking someone on the head. But they protect more the user than the target. In Karate point fighting this is mandatory. And you can understand why because those who invented american kickboxing where former karatekas.
Have you seen Pennachio dismantle Muay Thai boxer? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9X4iQQwIrCg.html Remember, Dekkers fight is not Savate, so he should have a disadvantage as he trains savate. Same goes to Muay Thai.. the main weapon (shoe) is taken away.
id personally say dekkers had won atleast 3 rounds maybe a fourth with other rounds being relatively competitive but all hand it to the savate guy he did pretty darn well i am curious how the match would have gone if they weren't wearing the foot protection that they were
its not supposed to be applicable to self defense its supposed to be a sport where 2 different bodies and minds clash in a competition to see who is better on that night at that respective sport. and not to mention id rather have hand protection then foot protection considering you can easily kick without breaking bones in your foot, where its not so easy to do so when punching things with alot of force. and in context of self defense i can think of atleast two types of foot wear you would be better of not wearing in a fight(high heels and flip flops) so being better at kicking with the shin still has merit, not to mention kicking with the shin probably has more power due to the better structure @@joshuabrant7689
Gotta disagree there. His martial art informed his game plan. Staying at length, prioritizing speed of kicks over power, throwing kicks Ramon doesn't often see- that all comes directly from the Savate playbook. I'm not saying you couldn't have done it with another style, but saying the style had nothing to do with it is asinine
@@DubiousDubs Both are throwing boxers punches both are throwing the same type of kicks. Both are using boxer stances and footwork. One is dancing around his opponent, the other coming forward. It's like Ali vs. Frazier, different style of boxing but still boxing. For two distinct styles see " A vintage Wingchun vs muaythai match with surprising results by fight commentary breakdown. Or even better " MMA vs. Karate en Ganryujima Analisis y Reaccion Alberto Barbera. That one is " traditional Okinawan kenpo vs.Kevin Souza, a UFC fighter with 12 knockouts 10 in the first round. Kikuno knocked him out in this rematch while using traditional karate stances and stepping.
@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe if you think they're throwing the same type of kicks, you're really not very experienced. Savate guy was throwing side kicks to the face, snapping roundhouses (which are different from the more muay thai sequence baseball bat style), I mean shit he even landed a fuckin crescent kick at one point. And as for "boxer stances and footwork" the human body can only move in so many ways, and when it comes to fighting, only a few stances make any logical sense, so nearly all martial arts have those stances. Yes it's a boxing stance- it's also a karate stance, a savate stance, a Dutch kickboxing stance. It belonging to one martial art does not mean it can't belong to any others.
@@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oethe savateur’s punches are balanced and in rhythm, giving him faster option to shift weight into a jock faster. They’re still scoring, but part of the overall savate strategy to be ready to kick
