Say Anything & mewithoutYou on Family and Change - Audiotree Green Roomers 

If it makes you feel better, I've been a fan since I was 16 and now im 29 ;-;

I second this.

He's an artist, not a model. What a fucked thing to say.

I'm more concerned about his choice of shirt.

He rocks so hard do either of those things matter... they don't

What are you talking about? This is incredibly untrue

BuildingwithTrees out of curiosity... what albums do you consider the turning point for the things you have stated? I feel like they've had a fairly genuine and natural evolution... maybe it's just me? 🤷‍♂️

@@kineticblues2766 Foxes, that's the break out album. Mainstream air play, tons of press. They were positioned to explode. But chose a path of humility, and poverty. You have to tour, sign with a big label. Toorh and Nail could only get them so far. I understand where they were coming from with their beliefs. But these guys could've been opening for the biggest rock acts of the early 2000s. Arenas, not dinky night clubs. Don't get me wrong, I love it all. And maybe they wouldn't have created the music they did without the struggle. I just think they missed a golden opportunity to be blessed financially. Although they would argue that they were blessed in immeasurable ways by going about it the way they did. And they would be right in saying that.

@@buildingwithtrees2258 lol Ok bud.

​@@buildingwithtrees2258 ​ Clearly going mainstream or being 'blessed financially' (however we define that) wasn't their desire or measure of success. It wasn't a missed opportunity, it was a deliberate choice to live out their beliefs and I guarantee not one of them regrets the decision. I think had Aaron become rich and famous he would have gone to a very dark place and possibly given up on music (if not life) altogether. They have families and own homes and Aaron got his PhD and they get to create and play music. I think that was kind of the dream all along.