Scandal: Apollo 15

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In June 1972, a scandal broke over the behavior of three of NASA’s astronauts. The Apollo 15 postal cover scandal seems little remembered today, but it rocked the nation at the time, destroying the careers of people who had been hailed as national heroes.
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@TheHistoryGuyChannel 16 дней назад

Several viewers have made comments over the pronunciation of Gemini. Yes, NASA has always used an idiosyncratic pronunciation said to be pronounced the same as "Jiminy cricket." In 2018 a NASA official told the New York Times that the “knee” pronunciation "is part of the agency’s culture, and serves almost as an insider’s shibboleth - a word whose proper delivery identifies you as someone in the know."

@randb4865 16 дней назад

Not "Sheer-uh" ... "Shi-RAH" Your welcome.

@flagmichael 16 дней назад

@@randb4865 Getting to the bottom of the pronunciation of Wally Schirra's name was a long ride. The name seems to be universally pronounced as THG pronounced it, except that the astronaut himself said it Shi-RAH when introducing himself in a 1987 Actifed TV commercial. The commercial is shown on the YT video, "COMMERCIAL Actifed - Astronauts (1987)" Thanks for the adventure!

@Redmenace96 16 дней назад

Southern accent from Florida and Houston? When will the internet learn that there is no 'correct' pronunciation?? The World is a big place, full of people.

@donalddodson7365 16 дней назад

Ya'all say pōTAYtō, I'll say puTAHtō ... 😂

@djquinn11 16 дней назад

How do you pronounce shibboleth? Shib-Boleith? Shy-bo-leth? I want to work this world into a conversation at work tomorrow.

@TheElsinoreGardener 16 дней назад

I’m sure glad politicians never profit from their positions in government.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel 16 дней назад

Fair point

@SlipShodBob 16 дней назад

One of our farm reps used to work for an oil company and lived in Kenya in the 90s he said that the corruption out there was so blatant eg the government departments would skim so much off the police budget that there was not even enough for pay so they would then go out blockade a busy route it two and charge people a toll for using it to pay their wages then you had others filtering down the line though the everyday people were some of the nicest and kindest he has met it seemed like it was never far away He said when he left that industry and returned in 97 to Heathrow he was greeted by the smarmy grins and smirk of Tony Blair and John Major on massive election posters. He said it made him realise the West is just as corrupt ours are just better at hiding it.

@paulholmes672 16 дней назад

What's really sad is quite a few of the career politicians still try to push the narrative of 'public servant' and the mere pittance of the millions they get for the influence of their position is adequate compensation for their 'unwavering service and sacrifice' TERM LIMITS Now!!!!

@bradley-eblesisor 16 дней назад

Vote only for challengeers not incumbent. It's an imperfect solution, but it will send a message. There are more good people than bad, in my experience. Just a thought.

@monteclark1115 16 дней назад

😂😂😂

@drayco6979 16 дней назад

Does anyone else see the irony of a Congressional or Senate committee investigating the issue of someone benefitting financially from a public position?

@thurin84 15 дней назад

i wish i didnt. 😞

@littlefluffybushbaby7256 15 дней назад

Presumably you do or you wouldn't have mentioned it. Who would you prefer to look into it? The local cartel? Would that be better?

@ELCADAROSA 15 дней назад

Irony? Or hypocrisy?

@noway905 14 дней назад

Quit picking on crazy Nancy Pelosi! She's just like Pedojoe, just a lovable, likeable elderly person that a jury could NEVER take seriously! Right?🤣🤣🤣

@Jimtheneals 13 дней назад

@@littlefluffybushbaby7256 You realize you're defending people who out perform the best stock traders in the world but only after they get to congress? The truth is the cartels may be criminals but they don't lie and pretend to be "public servants". As Harry Truman once said "show me someone who gets rich in politics and I'll show you a crook"

@oli24yt 16 дней назад

the transcript of the corned beef sandwich incident is one of my favourite bits of space foolery

@GlutenEruption 16 дней назад

Don't forget the floating turd incident on Apollo 10. That audio is a certified classic

@joefin5900 16 дней назад

Space foodery.

@EricCoop 16 дней назад

Let them eat corned beef sammies! - King Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette

@richardbenjamin8341 16 дней назад

Minor point, but Schirra pronounced his last name as …sheer ah…rhymes with hurrah. Most You Tube videos seem to get it wrong.

@BrilliantDesignOnline 16 дней назад

OMG, Bread crumbs in space...the humanity!

@keithcutler6602 15 дней назад

I had the honor of meeting the Apollo 15 astronauts during an event in Salt Lake City in the fall of 71 when I was 11 years old. When their schedule for the day was announced my mom actually wrote to Gov. Rampton lamenting the lack of opportunity for just regular folks to see the astronauts that day. In response he arranged for me to spend the entire day with one of his aides travelling with the astronauts around the city to some of the events where the astronauts would be. I got to shake hands with all three of them and have a large print of their mission patch signed by each one of them. One of the most memorable days of my life thanks to my wonderful parents; my dad for getting me interested in flying and space and my mom for making the impossible possible. Thank you mom and dad, RIP

@jppitman1 12 дней назад

Fantastic. You touched American heros.

@markrushton5108 11 дней назад

That is awesome! Your parents were exceptional people. What a wonderful memory. Thank you for sharing. 👍

@nickfosterxx 10 дней назад

I'm in the UK. Can hardly imagine. Cool story, linking you with those who made it to the vacuum of space. People have a romantic view, but for me, the cold, the radiation, the vacuum, the blinding light and heat, it's a medieval version of hell, except centuries ago they could hardly imagine it. Regardless, it's equivalent to a religious experience, whichever god or not you believe in.

@DumbledoreMcCracken 7 дней назад

How were they?

@78tag 2 дня назад

Aren't you special ? How does that justify the complaint registered by your parents ? Your governor increased his PR by privileging the child of one person who managed to have her complaint acknowledged. Wasn't that the point of her complaint ???

@OlJarhead 16 дней назад

And now there is zero accountability OR embarrassment within the U.S. Government

@ex-iu6ci 16 дней назад

This "scandal" seems pretty insignificant considering the conduct of our government and its waste of taxpayer dollars today.

@pattonmoore 16 дней назад

... especially when a former president is at best a common criminal, and at worst, a traitor...

@samsignorelli 16 дней назад

People complained about John Young swearing as the Apollo 10 LM nspun out of control after the abort test....stupid.

@alantasman8273 16 дней назад

@@samsignorelli Actually...astronauts were expected to conduct themselves in a professional manner...Something sorely in need with today''s elected leaders.

@montylc2001 16 дней назад

@@alantasman8273 Truth. But put yourself in the same situation.

@briankeenan5769 15 дней назад

The times sure have changed

@johne.8939 15 дней назад

As a 15 yr old, I figured out that if I sent a self addressed envelope to the aircraft carrier that picked up Apollo11 capsule I could get a cancelled stamp back with the date the astronauts were on the carrier….. still have it.

@JW-mb6tq 6 дней назад

That is cool. Sorry I like stuff like that. I wonder how many people did likewise.

@MitchRuth 16 дней назад

Considering that James Irwin became so dehydrated during the mission that he picked up a heart murmur that plagued him for the rest of his life, this scandal seems so petty. Every Apollo astronaut was in peril from ignition to splashdown.

@philgiglio7922 16 дней назад

Training is equally as deadly

@Nghilifa 16 дней назад

If it had happened on earth, he'd been in the ICU treated for a heart attack. Luckily for him, breathing in a 100% pure oxygen atmosphere (though at 5psi), and being in a constant state of free-fall (weightlessness) reduced the load on his heart drastically. It probably saved his life then and there. Then there was the parachute that failed after deployment (The Apollo CSM was actually designed to only use 2 parachutes, the 3rd was for redundancy). As a matter of fact, Al Worden saw that one other parachute was in the process of collapsing shortly before splashdown as well. They got lucky indeed!

@benjaminhanke79 16 дней назад

@@NghilifaThe thrusters fired when they weren't supposed to and the hypergolic fuel came in contact with the parachutes. They started to burn away.

@dougsfriendskeeter 15 дней назад

Not according to the latest joe rogan guest 😂😂 he knows for certain that it was fake. Just looka t his website 😂😂

@thenemoshow1 14 дней назад

Dehydration don’t cause heart murmurs lol

@abestm8 16 дней назад

I was 16 when Neil stepped off that ladder. I had, as a Young Brit, fully expected them to say how great the USA was in those first words. Even at that age, Neils' words brought me to tears as it was such a poignant statement. Now at 70, they are still my greatest Heroes. Niel, Buz and Michael took the greatest of risks to do what they did and for me personally, these guys deserve to make something out of such a dangerous mission. It all seems so petty to me. I get the point but even so. These guys were the right stuff and always will be in my eyes. I might also add that I love your channel and your accurate factual narrative on many subjects.

@edwardliquorish8540 11 дней назад

My dad joined the R,A,F, at 15 years old in 1947. Flew and rated for many DH jets and after many children, I was born. The fourth boy, in 1958. Mum and dad talked and dad left the R.A.F. After many jobs and two more children; In September of 1964 we arrived in Melbourne, Australia, where dad started his career in Air Traffic Control. Sydney Oliver Liquorish helped to formulate and write the training processes and practices that protect us everyday, in the air or on the ground. My dad was the right stuff.

@davedee6422 7 дней назад

and after all these years you still believe it happened. shame on you. but heh, you're part of the lie after all. itz not your fault that you believed it

@jhmcglynn 16 дней назад

I landed a summer internship at Grumman Aerospace in my sophomore year (1967] at New York Institute of Technology. I managed to get a full time job and finished my bachelor degree going to night classes. I wrote a Fortran software battery simulator program for the LEM (Lunar Excursion Module). Best job I ever had.

@mikewoodman2872 16 дней назад

Best job you ever... what, man, what?? Don't leave us hanging!

@IDNHANTU2day 16 дней назад

Did you design the great HVAC system that kept the modules temperature at a comfortable 72F for a week and powered only by a 12 volt battery? I wish they released that technology. My energy cost for running my ac leaves me eating mayo on white bread sandwiches.

@skunkjobb 16 дней назад

@@IDNHANTU2day Voltage is not related to energy. Besides, it was a 28 V system supplied primarily from fuel cells fueled by hydrogen and oxygen, not batteries. They didn't need heating and the cooling was done without a heat pump via radiators pointing away from the sun. It's nothing secret or mysterious but you don't have the opportunity to use radiative cooling as efficiently here on earth.

@peatmoss4415 16 дней назад

@@skunkjobb the guy is trying to surreptitiously suggest the landings were faked.

@johnvaneeden1455 16 дней назад

Their “indiscretions” hardly make a dent in the fact that they never went to the moon in the first place ! See how bold they became in the hoax ?

@xray86delta 16 дней назад

The "myth of the perfect astronaut" was shattered for me by reading the book "The Right Stuff". After all, at the end of the day, they were just men doing a very dangerous job.

@mitchellhawkes22 15 дней назад

A few guys, like Glenn, never took advantage of their high position in NASA. But only a few.

@pauleohl 15 дней назад

@@mitchellhawkes22 Would John Glenn have been a Senator if not for being an astronaut or get to space again at age 77?

@codymoe4986 15 дней назад

@@pauleohl How did he "take advantage" of the situation by running for office? The voters put him in office... And can you verify that he used his new political clout to hitch a ride on the Space Shuttle?

@edwardscott3262 14 дней назад

@@mitchellhawkes22Glenn? Former astronaut known for his role in the Keating 5 scandal? That Glenn. Yeah he's a total alter boy. 😂

@josefmills День назад

Brilliant book!

@montylc2001 16 дней назад

Being 62 i remember this. I also remember the majority of the public thinking it was not that big a deal. Good video, by the way. You put a lot of research into this.

@Mr._Burns28 16 дней назад

So brave, thank you for your service boomer

@montylc2001 16 дней назад

@@Mr._Burns28 What is that supposed to mean, other than showing your bigotry.

@JamesAllmond 16 дней назад

@@Mr._Burns28 Really. I'm 65, remember this too. You have a problem with older folks remembering stuff? Called Ageism. Best part, you'll get to experience it.

@montylc2001 16 дней назад

@@JamesAllmond I really don't understand these punks bigotry towards older folks. They don't seem to realize that they themselves will get old.

@PantheraOnca60 15 дней назад

I'm 63. I remember it also not being a source of scandal to the public. And the punks who try to "okay Boomer" us only do so because they're weak and frightened.

@johnfun3394 16 дней назад

We live in a country where money is king yet we begrudge our heroes for needing it. We pay millions to men to play with a ball yet risk your life for peanuts. Upside down world.

@philgiglio7922 16 дней назад

Look at the compensation packages of top tier racing drivers. Many multiple millions of $ every year. Michael Schumacher was earning $100 million a year

@bradley-eblesisor 16 дней назад

I fully believe that at some point in the past, we jumped into an alternate reality. It could be worse, somehow, I suppose.

@mauricedavis2160 16 дней назад

Hang in there, and pass this message on, it's going to get better for all...stay safe& positive...🙏✨👌🦉🐲❣️

@Redmenace96 16 дней назад

BS. They knew the contract when they signed it. You remain a hero, if you don't sell your integrity. Playing with a ball in a stadium is not even close to the same thing as serving in the military (all of them) and flying Apollo. You are off-base. It is a privilege, not a job.

@shawnr771 16 дней назад

We pay millions to people who play ball because that entertainment sells tickets. On any given day 100 000s of people are in the stands cheering their teams on and many more watching from home. The reason those people are paid those salaries is because they have a Union collective bargaining agreement. Total every single players contract and that is only 49% of the money involved. The owners get the other 51%. Which pays for the organization, marketing, etc.

@georgeclark7208 16 дней назад

These infractions kind of pale in comparison to todays infractions by politicians... and there are no repercussions nowadays.

@user-oh2hs6jh5x 16 дней назад

My initial thought was that they knew better as former military officers, but as I thought about it more, it's not like people in the Presidency and Congress don't profit from their former positions in office by giving speeches for substantial profit. These people put their lives in harms way far more than politicians do.

@SuperCatacata 16 дней назад

Not to mention all of those in congress allowed to trade stocks with nearly zero limitations. These guys should've had no more than a slap on the wrist. Getting paid 7,000$ on the side after risking your life for your country is nothing.

@Foolish188 16 дней назад

@@SuperCatacataInvesting by buying stocks that Nancy Pelosi buys is better than following Warren Buffett. Hmm, I wonder why.

@WALTERBROADDUS 16 дней назад

The key word is, "former." These were active government employees/ active duty military.

@vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763 15 дней назад

@@WALTERBROADDUS. Current members of Congress can make stock trades based on their knowledge of upcoming legislation and regulations even though they’re still in office.

@noneyabizz8337 15 дней назад

@vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763 that's bad of course, yet not the same and not really relevant.

@kevinpotts123 16 дней назад

NASA:"we're going to place you into some serious lufe or death situations that you certainly may die from" Also NASA when you take some stamps to the moon:"HOW DARE YOU???".

@littlefluffybushbaby7256 15 дней назад

It isn't about the stamps, it's about honesty and whether you're cashing in on your privileged position. It reflects back on NASA and could damage it's image, and reduce future funding. Sometimes it's not the thing itself, but how it looks. If you work in a store is it OK to help yourself to things because others do it and it won't break the company?

@kevinpotts123 15 дней назад

@@littlefluffybushbaby7256 Do you really think the astronauts were taking things for financial gains? They absolutely weren't.

@digitalnomad9985 11 дней назад

@@littlefluffybushbaby7256 Taking something somebody else owns is not the same thing as using your personal weight allowance for profit. It wasn't illegal, and nobody was harmed. Sounds like NASA and the Senate were just mad they didn't think of it first.

@melissacarterpresley5786 5 дней назад

@littlefluffybushbaby7256, If many of these people's parents aren't completely ashamed of themselves, It's because they're not intelligent enough to know that they should be.

@garystinten9339 4 часа назад

Or a sandwich.. omfg..

@tonnywildweasel8138 16 дней назад

I'm willing to bet that if we held that same yardstick against the politicians of today, not one would be left standing. Not one!!

@brianarbenz1329 15 дней назад

Why just "of today?" Politicians in the '60s and early '70s were more corrupt than now. They did more insider trading based on their knowledge of federal procurement then than now, because there was far less oversight.

@littlefluffybushbaby7256 15 дней назад

That is another issue. Because there are crooked people out there doesn't mean it's ok to be crooked. Is it OK to kill a few people because others have killed millions?

@robnobert 15 дней назад

@@brianarbenz1329 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 no. Literally EVERYONE I KNOW who was alive in the 60s and 70s agrees politicians are FAR FARRRR more corrupt NOW than then. You're literally insane if you think there is less corruption now and that how much "oversight" there is now makes any difference whatsoever. Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence and you sir... well like I said. You're literally the ONLY PERSON I HAVE EVER SEEN claim that politicians are LESS corrupt NOW than in the 60s ad 70s. Now go home, get sober, and think about what you just said.

@maxsmodels 16 дней назад

I asked Al Worden about another little known factoid...did Jim Irwin have a heart attack on liftoff from the moon. He did, sort of. Jim had a heart condition manifest on the way home from the mission (a bigeminy) which is treated as a heart attack. Al said it was blamed on low potassium due to the extended high protein, low residue diet they were on. He later died of a heart attack in 1991 at age 61 (the youngest astronaut to die at that point).

@steverasmussen7523 16 дней назад

Huh

@Nghilifa 16 дней назад

True. It wasn't just due to low potassium though, they worked a 23 hour day that day (they had their 3rd and final EVA, as well as the rendezvous with the command module) as well. So both him and Scott were exhausted by the time they had docked with the CSM, then after that, they had to do more work (transfer the rocks) as well as conduct other experiments/tasks in the command module before their scheduled rest period. Amazingly, mission control noticed (through the telemetry gathered from their biomedical sensors) that Irwin was in serious trouble, but they neglected to tell Scott that important piece of information. If he had known, he would have ordered Irwin to rest immediately (at the very least, immediately after having docked with the CSM), instead of having him work alongside him and Worden to finish out the tasks remaining that day, before their rest period. On Apollo 16 & 17, not only did they include more potassium in their diets (through enriched orange juice), they also scheduled their stay on the surface so that they had an 8 hour rest (sleep) period after their 3rd and final EVA on the surface of the moon. That way, they'd be in much better shape the following day, when they rendezvoused with the CSM in lunar orbit.

@n539rv 9 дней назад

Wow… I had never heard that nugget before.

@kevinkoepke8311 16 дней назад

The story goes on with the corvette leases astronauts received costing only $1. Thanks, great story

@dannydaw59 11 дней назад

How ironic.

@smacdonald5142 3 часа назад

The leases were from Chevy dealer in Melbourne Florida. (as it's called today). he sold a lot of Vetts after that.

@ricbarker4829 10 дней назад

I was in the airforce as an aircraft technician and for several years I worked for the Aerobatic Team (I wont mention country or team). The pilot's would sell hats, T shirts, stickers etc and sign them before and after the show. They would use the money as "slush" money for the pilot's to buy meals and alcohol whilst we were away on trips, dodgy as. On one trip we were at a country airport and one of the pilot's who ran the sale of the memorabilia pointed to the big box of team hats and said "see if you can get rid of them" and he gestured to the large crowd behind the fence who wanted to watch the aircraft depart. I knew he meant that I should sell them, but instead I went to the fence and gave away all the hats to any kids that were there. When we got back to our base, he asked me for the box. He looked in and saw it was empty and then cheerfully asked me for the money. I just said "what money? I gave the hats away to the kids". He was absolutely enraged. I said "I assumed this was merchandise provided by the airforce to give away". I then said something along the lines of "Do you guys sell this stuff? Do you issue receipts or anything?". He just turned and walked away and it was never mentioned again.

@gwugluud 16 дней назад

That’s by far the most innocuous “scandal” I’ve ever heard of. People’s careers were destroyed over some envelopes?

@samerm8657 16 дней назад

pure gold

@brianarbenz1329 15 дней назад

But your and my tax dollars subsidizing a private business venture? We all hate thatwhen it's called "corporate cronies." But we'll make it out to be innocuous in this case?

@littlefluffybushbaby7256 15 дней назад

No. The issue was whether they were profiting from their privileged position. The amount or objects involved are not the point. If you allow it where does it end? Sponsors names on their suits? Nike flashes on their boots. If I did something similar in my job I would be dismissed. Corruption, however minor, reflects back on the organization you represent.

@robnobert 15 дней назад

@@littlefluffybushbaby7256 I understand the issue. I also understand that corruption, however minor, doesn't MERELY reflect back on the organization but also rots the organization's function from the inside. That being said... you couldn't pay to me care. Half our country is screaming for war and destruction and hate and the other half want to illegitimately throw the other side in jail just because they don't like them. You can guess which half is which. The truth is both descriptions apply pretty aptly to both sides at this point. Corruption simply doesn't matter when both sides of the isle are so ideologically driven and INSANE that you might as well throw out the truth entirely because nobody cares. Solving corruption is for a world where truth matters to more people. Solving corruption in a situation like we're in now will solve NOTHING sadly and if ANYTHING will just drive one side to attempt to declare tyranny over the other for having solved it. Corruption might just be the social lubricant that is currently saving us from civil war. And that's pretty messed up. But that seems to be the way it is. And I don't see a feasible way out at least within the next few decades.

@brianarbenz1329 15 дней назад

@@littlefluffybushbaby7256 Agree. And we also have to remember that the Lunar Module engineers at Grumman racked their brains for years to comply with orders that every once in weight reduction that could be achieved for the LM be done so that the vehicle could possibly get to the moon. They would spend months finding a way to reduce the weight of a component or a tank by a few ounces. That was the only way to make the moon missions happen. Then to see that astronauts added weight, no matter how little, by breaking the rules for their monetary gain was an insult to the whole project.

@seatedliberty 16 дней назад

The ultimate stamp of disapproval.

@SMac-bq8sk 16 дней назад

Ha...Clever!👍

@stuckinmygarage6220 16 дней назад

Touche'

@Redmenace96 16 дней назад

pure gold

@markrix 16 дней назад

I think 90% of us started typing the same thing..

@goodun2974 15 дней назад

A sticky case requiring a team of gumshoe detectives to investigate. 🔎 🔎

@JimCoder 16 дней назад

This story seems so quaint in today's era of normalized, ubiquitous "privatization." It's nostalgic.

@Redmenace96 16 дней назад

I agree. Great comment. Was there ever a time that heroes didn't demand to be paid money?

@SMac-bq8sk 16 дней назад

NASA = No Astronaut Souvenirs Allowed.

@philgiglio7922 16 дней назад

Or, morbidly...need another seven astronauts. Both Challenger and Colombia had 7 crew members

@EricCoop 16 дней назад

NASA: Need Another Seven Astronauts. This happened twice, eh?

@EricCoop 16 дней назад

To this day, ROSCOSMOS has lost four cosmonauts: Vladimir Kamarov in Soyuz 1 and Georgy Dobrovolsky, Vladislav Volkov, and Viktor Patsayev in Soyuz 11. We lost 14 in the Challenger and Columbia disasters. So Russia has a better safety record. The one record they can take pride in.

@davepowell7168 16 дней назад

Military secrecy being essential. Never A Straight Answer

@Nghilifa 16 дней назад

@@EricCoop Yeah. If you want to be "anal" about it, the number of US nationals lost is 13 (Ilan Ramon on Columbia was Israeli). It's 16 if you include the Apollo 1 mishap.

@mjanovec 15 дней назад

For the early Apollo missions, the astronauts were unable to get life insurance policies due to the danger in their line of work. So crews would sign a number of postal covers and leave them behind on Earth, with the idea being that their family could sell the signed covers in the event the astronauts died. These “insurance covers” are highly collectible today and routinely trade for thousands of dollars apiece.

@garyjohnpeterson9954 16 дней назад

Out of al the videos I've watched on your channel this is the best and my favorite one so far. Good job!

@PatrickCraig-lh5is 16 дней назад

- If good science came from these missions, that's all I care about. Hand the rest off to Keemstar 1971 Edition. - It's awesome that the memorial included the names of cosmonauts as well as astronauts. Motivations and propaganda aside, we could all learn from this simple gesture.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel 16 дней назад

For all the competition of the Space race, astronauts and cosmonauts always seem to have recognized a kinship.

@Redmenace96 16 дней назад

That hit me, too. In Cold War context, that was brave and thoughtful.

@shawnr771 16 дней назад

Indeed. We should be more like them and less like our so called leaders.

@NoewerrATall 16 дней назад

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel It's like sailors. The medium that they work in is unpredictable and dangerous, and so breeds a special community. Like when the Royal Navy sailors risked their ships and in some cases their lives to try to rescue German sailors following the sinking of Bismarck.

@Arkinight 16 дней назад

Remember when Richard Nixon called the moon with a rotary telephone?

@gottjager760 16 дней назад

Their is this realy cool bit of space age tech that made it possible, it's called the radio. Also it wasn't a rotary, they were a bit old-fashioned by then.

@MichaelWinter-ss6lx 16 дней назад

In 1971 a guy from NASA visited the school I was at. He had a satelite connection to the NASA computer cluster, Beowulf, with a rotary telephone.

@ardechirpakfar6823 16 дней назад

Not even an iPhone 15???

@operationNOBO 16 дней назад

NASA: We havent gone back to the moon because we lost all the technology for the space suits

@tonyjones7372 16 дней назад

yes, with time delay at all. amazing how far technology has gone backwards.

@bobblethreadgill4463 16 дней назад

Excellent story HG, I enjoyed it very much.

@BasicDrumming 16 дней назад

I appreciate you and thank you for making content.

@Rhubba 16 дней назад

Despite this scandal, Apollo 15 accomplished more scientifically than any other Apollo mission. I forgive a bit of minor profiteering when compared with what Scott, Irwin and Worden achieved.

@shawnr771 16 дней назад

Thank you for the lesson. As a note to the costs. NASA was created in 1957. From 1957 to 2020 the entire budget of NASA was less than the 2020 defense budget of 700 Billion dollars. The yearly budget of NASA represents less than 1% of the Federal Budget. NASA's mission does not only include missions in space but also, as referenced by a History Guy video, working with the FAA to keep commercial and military aviation safe.

@MichaelWinter-ss6lx 16 дней назад

National Air & Space Agency. They've developed so unbelievably much for air travel. In contrast to space travel developements, where they seem to go backwards.

@cuzinevil1 16 дней назад

I think NASA really fumbled the ball on this one. How much would You pay for an artifact that has been to the Moon? NASA could have paid for the whole Apollo program if they had officially sold stamps or coins or anything that had been to the Moon.

@roberthevern6169 16 дней назад

Yeah, overly cautious, but after the fire, can you blame them?

@cuzinevil1 16 дней назад

@@roberthevern6169 That fire was due in part because of budget constraints... How much would you pay for a dime that has been to the Moon with Apollo 11 or 12? One pound of stamps, a special issue for Apollo 15, would have sold out before the mission even launched!

@thomasheilman8185 12 дней назад

Cuzinevil "That fire was due in part to budget constraints" can you expIain that statement. Because of the space race and out of respect for JFK, I don't think NASA at that time had any budget constraints. That fire was due to having a pure oxygen atmosphere in the capsule. Something intuition would tell you costs significantly more. Someone at NASA should have recognized the significant increase in danger for the astronauts posed by using pure oxygen but apparently no one did or maybe they just weren't listened to.

@frankgulla2335 16 дней назад

THG, wow and I thought I knew all there was to know about this matter, this was an eye-opener. Thanks, THG.

@imkiller84 15 дней назад

This is the first of me hearing this. Great job, always love your content.

@borisbadaxe9678 16 дней назад

Good to see that The History Guy is a Lego fan! 😊👍

@bobbernatchez8851 15 дней назад

This kind of accounting for the Apollo program bothers me. A significant portion went towards infrastructure such as the pad 39 complex, which is still in use today. I'm not an accountant, but this is a pet peeve of mine.

@jameshibbard2963 16 дней назад

But yet Congressmen and women can use insider knowledge to profit in the stock market!

@marcusnolte7476 6 часов назад

it's stories like this why I love your channel!

@jb6027 16 дней назад

As mentioned, Scott's watch in question was an automatic Bulova chronograph. Bulova sells a modernized quartz versions of the watch that has become very popular.

@jamesbodnarchuk3322 16 дней назад

I smuggled a couple snickers bars on board .

@roberthevern6169 16 дней назад

Will you share? I'm feeling a bit 'hangry'?

@eugeneblue299 16 дней назад

Thank you. Good as always.

@Redmenace96 16 дней назад

Well told! One of your best!!

@danharris4512 15 дней назад

I was in X Division as were the 2 Postal Clerks of the USS Okinawa on the Apollo 15 recovery. In the months leading up to the Apollo 15 mission the ship started receiving hundreds and then thousands of requests from around the world for envelopes to be cancelled on the day of recovery, August 7, 1971. After a while the volume of requests became so large that they were processed in a warehouse in Pearl Harbor and not on the ship at all. Anyway, after the recovery we were all hanging out in the Okinawa's personnel office when the ship's Public Relations Officer (also the ship's dentist) asked one of the postal clerks to go with him to the ship's post office to cancel some more envelopes. I don't recall if he told us they had been to the moon but undoubtedly they were the ones that Scott had taken with him. If this scandal "rocked the nation", it was news to us, as the USS Okinawa spent the bulk of 1972 off the coast of Vietnam. Good times!

@bobh5020 16 дней назад

Great job as always THG. A couple of points: Wally Shir - rah is how his name should be pronounced. Jim Irwin left the astronaut corps and became a Christian speaker who explored Mt. Ararat in Turkey looking for Noah's Ark. I am not sure if he discovered any remnants but subsequent explorers of Ararat (with the help of a lot of glacial melting) have found something sizeable up near its summit! Lastly, if the movie "The Right Stuff" is at all accurate, the concept of the "perfect astronaut" definitely went out the window! Best,

@Saint_nobody 10 дней назад

I don't keep up with your channel enough, so I just wanted to leave a comment here to say, thank you. I do enjoy your work, sir. Godspeed.

@brianpesci 16 дней назад

The pettiness of the government when considering the risks that these men were subjected too is simply a joke, and a bad at that.

@Cigarsam 15 дней назад

I am privileged to have photographed Niel and Buzz. Got to shake Buzz's hand. One of few times I was star struck.

@leeroyholloway4277 16 дней назад

Never underestimate the propensity of a bureaucrat to get his panties in a wad over "not much"....

@davidg2122 16 дней назад

Wow, never knew this happened. Good job.

@dr.mortose163 15 дней назад

I have vague memories of the scandel, but was young at the time it happened. Thank you for this episode

@michaelnash2138 16 дней назад

"I'm even gonna give you one of these dimes I'm takin' up there with me tomorrow, so's you can play with it in your pocket, and dream about outer space." Fred Ward as Gus Grissom to Dennis Quaid as Gordon Cooper in "The Right Stuff".

@roberthevern6169 16 дней назад

Thank you for recounting that great scene from a great movie, directed by Philip Kaufman!

@patrickunderwood5662 15 дней назад

Absolutely hated what they did to Grissom in that movie. Grissom was a hero and their portrayal of him borders on slander, imho.

@h.paulsprojects3061 16 дней назад

Great video!! A piece of history i was unaware of. Check those Lego astronauts for contraband before they blast off to Mars!!

@mikeable1376 16 дней назад

Thanks again this is a great story

@WillaHerrera 14 дней назад

Thank you Lance

@mattcrad8605 16 дней назад

The Bulova Lunar Pilot is still a classic.

@milosterwheeler2520 16 дней назад

If I could go to the moon, I would wave my right to carry along a half pound - If I could carry home a half pound moon rock as personal property.

@roberthevern6169 16 дней назад

Ooh, bad, bad commenter!

@theussmirage 15 дней назад

Bring a half pound hydration bag, drink the water, and fill it with moon rocks for the trip back!

@milosterwheeler2520 15 дней назад

@@theussmirage Perfect!

@shantanusapru 15 дней назад

Fascinating video!!

@danandkiko 14 дней назад

I saw/met Jim Irwin when he came to our school in Brooksville, FL around 1990 (shortly before he passed). I was in the 6th grade. We were all star struck and all received personalized autographed photos of him on the moon. Mine said, "Danny, reach for your dreams. Aim high!" I still have it today. It's one of my favorite possessions. He arrived on the school grounds in a helicopter to our amazement. I remember him being tall and well tanned. I snapped many photos of him and the helicopter and may still have those photos somewhere. He made a short appearance at the school during the day and then gave an evening speech at a homecoming event. I never knew about the scandal until just a few years ago. Just as well. We all admired him so much back then. Just looking at the photo has sometimes encouraged me and made me feel some kind of connection with him. Only a few years ago I found and cheaply purchased a large print of the exact photo at a thrift store here in Japan. I now have two. One large, unsigned. One smaller, autographed.

@williamkennedy6423 16 дней назад

I find it interesting that this is the first of your content that RU-vid has placed a 'context' reference. You must be over a target that they don't want to discuss.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel 16 дней назад

Huh- that is odd

@mikebarushok5361 13 дней назад

Probably just because of the science deniers that claim there were no moin landings.

@draketungsten74 6 дней назад

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel Anything that mentions the Apollo program gets it, due to people who state the moon landings were faked.

@martensjd 16 дней назад

Walter Schirra's name's pronunciation can be gathered from any of a number of CBS videos of him working with Walter Cronkite.

@martensjd 16 дней назад

The Vintage Space pronounces Schirra correctly: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KwF1z_Iv8WU.htmlfeature=shared

@markcolyer1989 15 дней назад

Fantastic m8 well done

@APbbb 16 дней назад

Just want to appreciate the pace of this video. I've noticed a few times the narration can be quite fast, making it sometimes difficult to follow. But in this case, the pace seems just right...at least for me.

@constipatedinsincity4424 16 дней назад

Back in the Saddle Again Naturally!

@paulsmodels 16 дней назад

Once again we see that greed is embedded in the human heart no matter who you are.

@ltdees2362 16 дней назад

Hell, this ain't got nothen to do with greed Buba...It's the thrill of it all 😛

@kellybasham3113 16 дней назад

Love your videos

@michaelmorgan9824 15 дней назад

Great video at 72 I followed the space program from Alan Shepard to Apollo 17. They were my Heroes.!

@grimreaper6557 16 дней назад

Personally I think NASA should have not have been so rough on them they didn't hurt anything and actually raised awareness of space by there actions ❤

@taproom113 11 дней назад

Dave Scott did 'hurt' something. In order to have an excuse to wear his Bulova on the Moon ... he had to break his issued Omega. The NASA test conditions, that only the Omega's survived, were MUCH worse than anything the actual missions ever subjected them to (look it up). I have no problem with the stamps and envelope 'scandals, considering the traditional scandals of politicians ... but I do have a problem with Dave Scott's intentionally breaking his issued Omega to fulfill a contract with a competitor that would enrich him personally. What are the odds that the 'Only' Omega to 'Ever' fail ... would belong to the 'Only' astronaut who was under contract to make sure he wore a different watch on the moon?! I don't believe in those kinds of coincidences. Occam's Razor ... Dave Scott broke the faith, in a way unbecoming an Officer and a Gentleman. ^v^

@philclarke7712 День назад

I have a replica Bulova Lunar Pilot and it is a wonderful timepiece.

@Nicksonian 15 дней назад

These three very brave, smart men deserved our gratitude and are heroes in the true sense of the word. I was a teen during the Apollo missions and they all remain the greatest of heroes to me. Two of the most dizzying moments of my life were meeting Frank Borman and Mike Collins.

@SpitSharp 15 дней назад

Weather they went or not is still lots of work on and off screen it would be exhausting I’m sure.

@markkerlin2585 16 дней назад

I don't see anything wrong with taking small tokens along. I have problems with civil servants going to DC broke and never leaving or leaving millionaires.

@philgiglio7922 16 дней назад

See Clarence Thomas.

@rodgerrodger1839 16 дней назад

@philgiglio7922 See almost every senator while we're at it. The Dennis Hastert story was another fine example of WTF? From serial pedophile gym coach. To millionaire and speaker of the house under Bush. Kinda makes you wonder.

@shawnr771 16 дней назад

@@philgiglio7922ALL OF THEM.

@littlefluffybushbaby7256 15 дней назад

The issue wasn't taking small tokens along. They had a quite generous allowance for that. The issue was whether they should be profiting from their privileged position. This has nothing to do with civil servants in DC or politicians, unless you thing because there is corruption in one area then it's OK everywhere. That's a child's excuse.

@markkerlin2585 15 дней назад

@@littlefluffybushbaby7256 I think they should have been allowed to profit. I don't think politicians should.

@dougalexander7204 16 дней назад

They would not have been astronauts if they didn’t take chances. Brave men and women they are.

@petermcgill1315 15 дней назад

Scott dropped the ball. Brought the deal to his crew and then when it blew up in their faces, he let them take the fall. It seems he was more worried about his future than showing real leadership and responsibility.

@maryfranco3810 16 дней назад

Fascinating!

@ubergeek1968 16 дней назад

I have a very vague memory of this scandal. I was not quite 4 years old at the time. My father was an avid follower of the Apollo Program and always made sure that I watched the launches and other broadcasts. I have one clear memory of him discussing the Apollo 15 scandal with one of his professors at Black Hills State Teachers College (Now BHSU). I am curious why you did not mention the fact that Jim Irwin's PPK is STILL ON THE MOON, as he accidently left it in the LM ascent stage. It contains the wedding ring of a friend, along with several photographs.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel 16 дней назад

I didn’t see that in the research. Good to know.

@ubergeek1968 16 дней назад

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel It is a fact that I stumbled across several years ago while writing one of my novels. I have my main character retrieving Irwin's PPK from the Lunar surface and returning the ring to a fictional granddaughter.

@stevevernon1978 10 дней назад

@@ubergeek1968 If it were left in the ASCENT stage, it might not have been retrievable from the lunar surface after the ascent stage CRASHED INTO THE MOON.

@ubergeek1968 10 дней назад

@@stevevernon1978 That is what I said. The PPK was left in the ascent stage and is still on the lunar surface

@stevevernon1978 10 дней назад

@@ubergeek1968 at best its "back" on the lunar surface at worst its scattered in to fragments scattered over miles.

@robertphillips6296 16 дней назад

I remember a Golf Ball and Club Head being brought to the Moon and the speculation by Walter Cronkite of the cost to take them there and if the Astronaut would face punishment for the stunt.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel 16 дней назад

That was Alan Shepard. The club (actually just a club head attached to a tool used for collecting rocks) was approved as a scientific “experiment.”

@robertphillips6296 16 дней назад

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel Thank You for clearing that up. I remember as a child watching him on my family's TV set and hoping that he didn't get into trouble.

@Frankthetank-zr5mc 16 дней назад

Alan Shepherd was the first American in space. He peed in his spacesuit (after that they wore diapers) due to delays. His was a suborbital flight. He developed inner ear issues and didn’t fly Gemini or early Apollo missions but he was very involved in the programs. By some miracle he recovered and commanded Apollo 14. They say he was a difficult man, but his will and determination made him the only one of the original 7 astronauts to make it to the moon. Sadly he bumped the original Apollo 14 commander who never made it to the moon due to the cancelation of Apollo 18, 19 and 20.

@paulheitkemper1559 5 дней назад

Props for correct pronunciation of Gemini.

@loistverberg900 15 дней назад

In the mid 1970's my father was gifted one of the “first day of issue” commemorative envelopes that you talked about, that we were told went to the moon with the astronauts. I think I was about 13 years old at the time and he let me put it in my stamp collection. After watching your video I found it - it was an envelope commemorating Apollo 11 and stamped on September 9, 1969. It wasn't signed by astronauts though.

@charlesprevatte4164 16 дней назад

I need to look in my safe deposit box. I might have one of those covers. I have several from Apollo and Skylab that was given over the years. Never thought they were worth more than sentimental value to me.

@philgiglio7922 16 дней назад

First day covers, which is what they are called, can be worth considerable $...depending on several factors. I have a first day cover: postmarked and dated 2 September 1945 Tokyo bay. My grandfather was there for the surrender ceremony. His ship, the USS Wilkes supplied the flag for the second Iwo Jima flag raising

@jasonralph4286 16 дней назад

Pretty sure Wally's last mame is pronounced Shir AHHH! If I'm wrong then so was every news cast during his career.

@davidhudsonbaker2361 15 дней назад

Thanks!

@johnjheydt2678 15 дней назад

Brilliant 😍

@Redmenace96 16 дней назад

Fabric and wood piece from the Wright Flyer, 96k? I would pay a million, at least. It is interesting and good.

@Absaalookemensch 16 дней назад

Ironically, the chief physician wanted only female astronauts as it would save 40-50 lbs for each astronaut just in body weight. The entire Apollo could have been about 25% smaller and less weight.

@josefmills День назад

Not these days it won’t be, carb rich diet since then has made sure of this

@greatsilentwatcher 12 дней назад

I collect CS Anderson first day covers and wasn't aware of this before. Not sure if many philatelist would actually be interested these "moon" covers considering the history, as it were. Every episode is a pleasure to watch. - Todd in Rochester NY.

@joegordon5117 16 дней назад

Quite a few years ago, at a previous bookshop I worked in, we had a call from a publisher's PR person, who was in a nearby hotel in Edinburgh with David Scott as he was meeting the media there, and would we like him to walk over afterwards to sign copies of his and Alexi Leonov's new book? Naturally we said yes, and suddenly an ordinary work day became a day where I got to shake hands with an Apollo astronaut and chat to him (yes, of course I still have my signed copy!).

@jdl1276 16 дней назад

the big question in my mind is ..... where did all the money really go..

@Redmenace96 16 дней назад

If I get your meaning? Money can be so tempting to the weak. Is 7k going to solve your problems? Are you on easy street?? Why do people sell their reputations for a bit of lucre?

@jdl1276 16 дней назад

@Redmenace96 well the whole Apollo thing is fake so where did the billions go

@jdl1276 16 дней назад

@@Redmenace96 the apollo thing is fake so where did all the billions go

@ltdees2362 16 дней назад

So "if'n" the money made its way to your pocket, would there be any question 😛 Moreover, you can't tell me you wouldn't have done the same 😎

@jdl1276 16 дней назад

i was referring to the idea that the missions were faked so where did all the money go

@PaulTomblin 16 дней назад

I feel sorry for the astronauts, since they couldn’t get life insurance. Many (or all, I don’t know) signed a bunch of autographs before each flight so their widows would have something to sell.

@kevinmhadley 15 дней назад

I had never really thought about the items coming back the moon before. It is a very interesting tale indeed.

@palamj2 11 дней назад

Your last comment about the myth of the perfect astronaut sums up exactly why their behaviour right or wrong has tarnished their reputations.

@erfquake1 16 дней назад

One example of profiteering from the civilian space program that I found particularly repulsive was the Toyota truck ad "pulling" Space shuttle Endeavour through the streets of Los Angeles. The goodwill procession had to stop, the truck pulled up and got hitched to the front of the crawler, then got filmed for the tv ad. It was made possible because Toyota paid the LA Science Center to use this precious NASA spacecraft for the privilege of such corporate grandstanding, and with a space program for which Toyota had absolutely zero to do with. (and apparently the truck wasn't technically pulling it anyway)

@ltdees2362 16 дней назад

.. What you talk'n about ! 🤣 Lol...I remember that add...hell...it was great !!

@erfquake1 16 дней назад

@@ltdees2362 I was outside witnessing history, you were inside watching truck ads on TV. Evidently we have different perspectives on how best to spend our individual lives.

@ltdees2362 16 дней назад

@@erfquake1 😛Your "perspective" is fantasy...I could comment further, however, not worth wasting my time to sarcasm... I was "outside" My family and myself, were at the Cape for the launch of Apollo 15 in July of 71...I've most likely been "outside" longer than you have been breathing...

@Sportserjeff 16 дней назад

I think it's great they could make some extra money. Realistically they didn't make alot for risking their lives.

@mikewoodman2872 16 дней назад

I don't know, $200K USD is a pretty hefty compensation package if you ask me!

@Sportserjeff 16 дней назад

Not compared to professional athletes. And athletes aren't really risking their lives.

@littlefluffybushbaby7256 15 дней назад

@@Sportserjeff Most professional athletes will make next to nothing and risk everything short of their life. Most professions are like a pyramid and have a small number at the top with 90% just about getting by. They risked their lives but so do firemen, cops, the military etc. and they don't get anything like the money or fame. It is not just a sacrifice to be one of the few that get to go into space but also a huge privilege. If any one of them stepped aside there would be a thousand ready to jump at the opportunity. There are millions who would love to be in their position and Billionaires who pay millions to be in that position. It's a sacrifice but also a gift.

@MomentsInTrading 15 дней назад

I was a small child then, and had never heard of this before. Interesting stuff.

@warhawkjah 16 дней назад

This reminds me of how NCAA athletes aren't allowed to profit from their name in any way. The difference is that student athletes don't get paid and have little time to hold regular jobs while universities make thousands, in some cases millions from athletic programs, which is why I always thought this policy was unfair. Astronauts are a bit different; they have high government salaries plus whatever hazard pay they get on top of that.

@clintonroushff7068 16 дней назад

Pause for a moment, an astronaut flies the most famous mission, never to fly again. Where else would you prepare for years but only benefit from the training just once? John Glenn basically too valuable to ever again fly in space. I'm glad I grew up following the space race.

@philgiglio7922 16 дней назад

But John Did fly again. I can't confirm it, but I'm willing to bet a great deal of valuable medical data was garnered. The man was in superb condition, a result of his Marine training and esprit

@davemoore1233 16 дней назад

Olympic athletes

@BrilliantDesignOnline 16 дней назад

John Glenn, one of the original Mercury 7 astronauts, was the only to go into space (again) on the Space Shuttle.

@mattcolver1 16 дней назад

@@BrilliantDesignOnline Alan Shepard flew on Apollo 14. Deke Slayton flew on Apollo-Soyuz.

@PRH123 16 дней назад

Glenn benefited greatly his entire life from his training and that flight... Got him elected to the Senate and all that comes with that, made him a multi millionaire and famous worldwide.....

@catofthecastle1681 16 дней назад

Never thought I would do this to the history guy but his name is pronounced scha-Ra!

@ericwilner1403 16 дней назад

I don't think I'd heard of this before... but it puts me in mind of D. D. Harriman's lunar postal covers scandal (in Heinlein's "The Man Who Sold the Moon"), the scandal that time being that the covers didn't really go to the Moon. History echoes fiction, sort of.

@josephmatthewclift1985 16 дней назад

@thehistoryguychannel - if you're interested in this about NASA, please consider a video on the TFNG shuttle astronauts with info from COL (ret) Mullane. Excellent video, Sir.