The caretaker had to be impaled with the axe head and die screaming 40+ times. He ended up crying and almost walked. Kubrick was a true artist but he had issues.
God this makes me feel bad for Shelley Duvall. She gets so much shit, especially her performance in "The Shining". I think she played her character very well.
I think her performance was spectacular. She was cast to play an average housewife and she did it perfectly. Her performance is very realistic. The confusion and fear she demonstrates as Nicholson threatens her is very real. She accurately relays confusion, terror, an attempt to placate Nicholson, and survivalist instincts. Her entire performance is an homage to an average person having the will to survive in a surrealistically terrifying event. She skillfully extracts empathy from the viewer, especially in the baseball bat and bathroom axe scenes. Even her looks without makeup make her a believable character. She did fantastic.
can someone clarify what happened to her in that scene? were they really throwing birds at her for FIVE DAYS STRAIGHT? Were her bloody cuts real? I'm so confused
I love that movie. Everyone played their parts well. I can watch it over and over. Every time I saw a Lakers game, I got scared when they showed Jack Nicholson on tv..lol
Bottle8 oh god. It's not as simple as unbelievably hard work. Kubrick practically mentally tortured her throughout the making of the movie, and not just in how many takes for a scene as well. She's a mental wreck and a shell of her former self now.
They're not on an episode of Fear Factor, it's their JOB. So would you say "acting" should be on the same level of stress as a fire fighter, cop, military, deep sea fishing, surgeon?
***** No I never said that. But asking someone to cry and act hysterical for 127 takes is insane. Throwing live birds at someone, after they specifically asked you not to is insane.
The logic that something can be justified by the existence of something worse is stupid. Would a person shooting you up with a machine gun be a-ok because you could also be killed slowly over the course of 3 weeks with power tools? It doesn't matter if there's something worse, it's still shit.
Yea but the difference is all those jobs you mention are necessary. The brave men and women put their lives on the line for the safety of others. acting on the other hand is just for the ENTERTAINMENT of others and is not necessary at all and yet actors can still sometimes be flung into situations as harrowing as the real life heros they are tasked to portray on the big screen. So I see why an actor would contemplate walking out on a job.
Audience laughed at her when "The Shining" came out. She even was nominated for a Razzie Award. I'm so glad people finally realize how brilliant her performance was.
i know that Stephen King never liked Kubrick's version of his novel "The Shining" for verious reasons but i wonder if King ever knew of Kubrick's abuse towards Shelly Duvall and if so what he thought about it and was that just another reason why King never liked the movie version.
Stephen King is the kind of man who would actually care about that (I seem to remember him speaking out against domestic abuse before), and I've wondered the same thing for the same reason.
I think Stephen King and Kubic both thought Shelly was awful so there was pretty much no one on her side=( It led to a massive breakdown for her. I don’t know if you’ve seen her recently but she is the shell of who she used to be=(
The first one isn't "too far" at all. It's just honest feedback from the director, who has the right to demand better of an actor being paid a lot of money.
As I understood it. It was mainly that she starred in one of the most expected movies that became a huge burden, so any criticism could feel disastrous. Of course the director have the right to criticize but that wasn't where the main pressure came from.
Exactly, imagine the pressure she'd feel from Star Wars fans for the rest of her life if her performance was deemed "not worthy enough." Add to it the fact that she was an up and coming actress, it's no wonder she was stressed.
Dincorta I can understand she would be stressed, but that's not bad, just criticism needed, and she did great as a result. What Kubrick did to Shelly on the other hand for "The Shining" is so fucking disgusting, that not only did it wreck her mental health, but her livelihood, as she's dirt poor, mentally ill, and constantly miserable. the 127 takes was one of the many things she had to deal with. It's why I hate fucking Kubrick now.
i'm stuck between the hitchcock and the shining. i mean, having birds attack an actress just because you wanted to see her real terror, for just a movie is extreme. but so is doing one scene over 100 times
I think duvall had it bad. I think it was 5 years of filming and Kubrick took long to get the "perfect" take for most scenes. The 127 number is just the most outstanding. I saw behind the scene footage and he was also kind of a bully to her exclusively.
Clarissa Garcia there’s no way they filmed five years for The Shining. The movie was released in 1980 and the book was published in 1977. I’d say at most the filming lasted about a year. I think you’re right though, doing a scene over 100 times is extreme and unnecessary. Either the director should cast an actor he feels can deliver the performance in a reasonable amount of takes or the director needs to be a better communicator about what kind of performance he wants from the actors. To break the actor down by forcing them to do take after take is wrong. Actors are not pieces of meat, you can’t do whatever you want to them in the name of getting the take.
Shelley Duvall's scene with Jack Nicholson, her fending him off with a baseball bat, is the most frightening scene in the film & one of the best EVER! I wondered how she could be so 1000% convincing - now I know! Poor thing - but her performance is unforgettable!
If I had a very good paying job, I would put up with a lot more stress. In my mundane paying job, I will not put up with much. I can find an identical job to it just down the avenue. But if it paid what an actor makes, I would even take certain types of abuse.
+Indrid Cold And that's why we have so many problems with groupthink, because people don't wanna speak it out of fear of being the outcast or being fired. There's sucking it up, and then there's letting yourself be abused because of a director's eccentricities. Kubrick was a prick, and while his contributions to cinema are undeniable, it does not change the fact many of his artistic and directorial choices are poor and resulted in mistreatment for those working under him. She's lucky she survived his treatment and continued with her career. Many others can't say the same.
its right that repeating that very hard scene would make her act appear more realistic, but 120 takes are just way too many and its disrespectful to her.
Can't imagine that movie without that song. To be fair though, Queen ought to refund the royalties. That movie was responsible for a huge queen resurgence.
I am no actor. Nor will I ever be one. But one thing that really annoys me both in my actual work and in life as a whole is: Pointless repetitions. It was said here that Kubrick reshot a scene 127 times. But that is nothing compared to Charles Chaplin who often reshot scenes several hundred times: In "City Lights" he did it 342 times and was still not satistied but ran out of money. People hail Kubrick, Chaplin, and others for their great artistic integrity. But the thruth is that only very few people - if any - can spot the difference between the first and last take. So in my view more than a few retakes is pointless and a waste of everybody's time and talent. So that would have made me quit.
For Kubrick it's not about pointless repetitions. I remeber watching a documentary about filming of Shining and some guy said about these numerous takes. Kubrick did it because in a few first takes actor acts Ok, then he tries to be better or do different versions of his delivery/performance. Then when he's tired he tries to save his energy and doesn't act well. And when director keeps going with takes an actor is exhausted and pissed off and starts to act much more crazy. You can't get this kind of performance with a few takes.
Off course not. But whenever we develope new products we always do cost/benefit analysis on how long time it is possible to use on a given product. And that time is pretty short because today nobody wants to pay much for a gadget. If we say "this product is fine now. But if we spend 6 months more we can make it 0.01% better" we would soon be out of busines.
i would've quit with the birds one, I have a huge bird phobia and are you fucking kidding me, throwing live birds at someone that mustve been traumatizing!!
But then Tippie made an infamous film "Roar", in which the cast worked with a bunch of lions and other predators, without any safety measures. All actors had severe injuries.
It is strange that, "The Birds," was based on actual events. An algae bloom off the cost of the western United States of America took place and fish ate the algae. The algae had a nuro toxin. The fish died. The birds came in and ate the fish when n top of the water. The birds became mentally damaged and were attacking people and animals inland around the coast. About a week later, the birds all died and bulldozers and wheel loaders had to come in to clean up the dead birds.
And the Rhapsody scene in Wayne's World is probably the most memorable And being in high school at the time Queen became a hit - I remember students playing Queen's hits CD during our drama class.
Queen was a hugely popular band WAY before CDs existed so what you are claiming makes absolutely no sense -- unless you think nobody had heard of Queen until the 90s when Wayne's World came out.
I think what' he's trying to say is they had a resurgence after Wayne's World, I really wouldn't know myself I was actually too young when that film came out to remember it (I turned 5 at the end of that year). Yeah they were a hit before but the new listeners came into them because of Wayne's World.
Kat R, you are absolutely correct! I was 13 at the time and remember so many kids buying Queen cassette tapes as much as the brand new albums. Most of these kids were into hip hop, and had it not been for Wayne's World most likely would have never heard of Queen.
There are better ways of getting a nervous actor to inject more energy into their performance than slipping them a note telling them they are "wooden". Simply telling them you want them to be livelier would do it.
runlarryrun77 yeah, but still...the rest of the actors on this list had gotten bullied for multiple shots by perfectionists. Daisy Ridley got ONE critique and was ready to call it quits.
"Getting called 'wooden'" may just be a summary of several criticisms she got that day. This video can't very well go into *every word* they said to her, can it? It was her first proper movie and is part of a gigantic franchise so she must have been trying her best with all the pressure; if she got criticism after criticism the whole day (which may all came down to the word "wooden"), her spirit could very much be crushed.
It was done in front of everyone, it wasn't a take aside and have a word, it was humiliating, and on the first day of filming when no trust had been built. So yeah I would be pissed as well
What they did to Shelley was UNREAL. You know..they treated her badly ON PURPOSE ...to create a feeling from her character. It wasnt just that scene ....throughout the making of the entire movie they all treated her badly. Purposely. Look into it. Sweet little Shelley Duvall. How dare they?!!
If Clint Eastwood can get a good scene in one or two takes and be a box office success, what justifies directors like Kubrick to insist on over 100 takes? Some kind of pathological need for perfection that can never be reached? Stories like Kubrick and Hitchcock taking days and hundreds of takes really make you wonder about the sanity of directors.
Reading about this stuff a lot you start to realize how directors often dehumanize their actors and especially actresses. There are absolutely countless incidents of directors suddenly pushing an unscripted sexual act or dangerous stunt on actresses. If something was in the script, the actress could get a chance to address it, refuse to do it, or try to compromise with the director to allow them a change that will make them more comfortable. Once you're on set and in the middle of a scene, though, there is a lot more pressure, and as you can see from this video there are also a lot of situations in which the actors are probably willing to do more than usual just to get out of an incredibly uncomfortable round of filming.
Stallone. At one point, Stallone asked Dolph to come at him for real, and Dolph put him in intensive care for 8 days with a body blow that bruised his heart. According to Stallone, the doctors thought he had been hit by a truck.
Mike Meyers had a legitimate reason. Hollywood is so concerned with making money but Meyers wanted to stay true to his character. I applaud him for sticking to his guns.
It wasn't like that - it's a LOT of responsibility to carry on a franchise like Star Wars and Daisy didn't want to continue if JJ thought she wasn't good enough for it
Tippi Hendren and Shelley Duval both are actresses who put up with the most insane mentally challenging roles and deserved the amount of fame they were given heck even more! i don’t think i could do what the did.
I'm aware of the pressure - I'm an actor. I can relate to a couple of these situations, but it didn't make me want to quit. I'm sure I will be challenged in the future as well... and again, I will not quit once I commit.
Rey was one of the shining parts of The Force Awakens for me. I get people's complaints however about her consistent good fortune. If Disney wasn't so obsessed with secrets, they could have helped her character.
It didn't break his chest bone, but the the punch was so strong it caused Stallone's heart to swell. Lundgren should play One Punch Man if they ever made a live action version.
Attacked by birds for 5 days. if that isn't a rough point in a job then what is? Is the actor who played Marty Mcfly in back to the future 3 childish for not enjoying the scene where they used a real noose for the hanging scene and he almost DIED. How about the actress in now you see me who nearly drowned during the water tank trick.
Shelly Duval was genius in the Shining. The big screen really reveals the depth and reach of her immense emotional reserves and blazing talent. She needs an Oscar.
Stanley Kubrick, was without a doubt, one of the most talented filmmakers of the 20th century, but he was an incredibly inefficient filmmaker. 127 takes, having your actor's hair fall out from the stress, taking thousands of pictures of your locations, that's just ludicrous. I would not be surprised of Kubrick had true OCD. I also have no doubt that the majority of his meticulousness went to waste, never actually having added anything to the finished product. You can argue that we wouldn't have the kind of quality we're used to from him without his attention to detail, but I'm not so sure. There are plenty of esteemed directors (Nolan, Spielberg, Scorsese) that get brilliant material without having to put themselves and their actors through that kind of hell. Kubricks works will stand the test of time, but tell that to all the people who's time, money and sanity he wasted.
The Abyss was on two days ago. I think that movie would of made me quit. I also heard in another video Ed Harris refuses to ever work with James Cameron because of that film.
Ed almost drowned during one of the freefall into the abyss scenes. If a rescue diver hadn't noticed he was in trouble, he probably would have. On his way home after filming that day, Ed had to pull over because he had a mental breakdown. It's one of my favorite movies but I was pretty shocked to hear that and haven't seen it since.
One actress could have been added on here too: Jane Levy from the Evil Dead (2013) movie. Behind the scenes showed her frustration during some of the scenes that were shot. They were showing terror in the most realistic way possible, but it also left the actors physically and mentally exhausted sometimes.
When jack breaks the door scene Shelly didn’t know that was going to happen so they could see her real reaction and she was terrified and people weren’t nice to her at all during the making of the shinning she also went through a break up as well while filming poor woman ☹️
look at shelley now, she is completely insane now. i feel like her life in the spotlight especially with her role in the shining, was her breaking point.
The Shining and Bird scene would've mad me quit. Like how you going to lie and trick her like that saying they are fake birds then when she got there they were real.
If The Shining received the acclaim it now has at the time of its release, I bet Shelley Duvall would’ve been nominated for an Oscar for her performance.
Didn't know Carl Weathers was a Football player. Just knew him as Apollo and that bad ass in Predator where him and Arnold have that iconic hand shake greeting, with way to much bicep pump going on. And Dolph throwing Weathers across the ring then knocked him out. Looper how informative cheers!
The worst part is that after Tippi Hedren went through all that, Hitchcock then proceeded to ruin her career by making sure she had no roles offered for her entire contract, because she wouldn't sleep with him.
Stanley Kubrick's " A Clockwork Orange " everything he put Character. Alex Delarge played by the Brilliant Malcolm McDowell was hell Kubrick loved him but freak accidents did happen also I still prefer the Book and its Kubrick's best film of all time
What about the scene in Terminator Salvation being filmed where Christian Bale lost it with the director of photography and threatened to quit the movie if the director of photography messed the scene up again.
Seems like The Abyss was hell for all the actors. Forget which one but they nearly drowned after their prop helmet designed to fill with water couldn't be removed. Or something like that.
I was an extra on the set of "Terminator "Salvation" for only five days without having to memorize a script, and I was literally in tears on my last day on set from the stress of just being there all day everyday in a holding area with other extras waiting for the director to randomly " pop in" to choose who he wanted in the background for the next scene!🥺
Hows about 'Karla' in which Misha Collins had to seek therapy in the middle of filming because of how traumatising the scenes his character had to do were and how he didn't even want to do it I the first place and wanted to quit multiple times when filming
You know a movie is bad when an actor tells his fans, "Please do not watch it." In rare times when he talks about it, you can still see he is traumatized by it and is uncomfortable if a fan brings it up at conventions. Luckily, the SPN family is obsessive enough to know that is an off-the-table topic at conventions now. I'm not a Castiel fan, but I do have great respect for Misha and it hurts to see him hurt...well, hurt like that. If he's hurting from pain inflicted by J2, I'm fine with it. ;)
Daisy did ok as Rey, but it felt like the rest of the characters did a much better job. Especially the actor of Poe, that guy had swag. XD But maybe it's a Star Wars thing were the secondary characters end up being more entertaining. Han was always more popular than Luke, and Obi-Wan was more interesting than Anakin.
I did an autism documentary for my school and I was the main character; there was a scene where we were walking down a corridor and it took around 35-40 takes to complete.
