Scientists Deceive Public. Dr. Rob Stadler Dissects Origin of Life Science Claims on RNA Replication 

This isn’t a debate at Harvard, it was a lecture. You are telling them the truth in the language of science, their supposed language, but they are dull of hearing because it doesn’t fit their paradigm or naturalist agenda. Great job!

As a professional PhD biochemist, I'm completely on board with Dr. Tour's program questioning the naturalistic story of the origin of life. Keep up the great work!

The most courageous and honest scientist Ive ever listened to. PLEASE keep up your righteous endeavor!

so glad that these two men have finally come together to take on the faux research behind OoL.

What a gift to this world is Dr Tour!

Anytime a debate opponent says youre mean, rude or refer to feelings, thats not an argument. I frequently watch debates where men of "science" refer to feelings and intuition, without being aware of it.

Dr. Tour, I have watched the talk with Lee Cronin several times over. I have studied not only what he said specifically but also implicitly. His arguments stated that since we "know" simplicity always evolves into complexity. Therefore we know that life aka complexity, came from these basic simple molecules aka simplicity. He gave examples of different man made objects like tools, and how they started out very simple and eventually evolved into increasingly more complex objects. The entire premise of his "new" theory was that we can use identification of complexity to identify life. But this is a falacious argument prima facie. We don't know that simplicity always evolves into complexity. In fact, he stated plainly, that we know evolution from non-living organic prebiotic molecules into living biological material happened because we are here living right now. He even stated that he isn't interested in the exact "how" aka the necessary chemistry. The fact, we are here and alive is the evidence it happened. His new theory isn't a tool to discover how origin of life happened, it uses the assumption he knows how it happened, (even if not exactly or in a testable way) and with that assumption uses his "theory" to try and identify life, aka complexity. His arguments are circular and falacious and his new theory is unfalsifiable in the since of OOL. It seems as though his new theory is a deflection from the fact, he knows he can't create life in the lab with prebiotic chemistry and the whole OOL group isn't even close. So instead of confronting the absurd claims he has made in the past and the real issues in OOL research. He is giving up and deflecting into this "new" theory to keep the research funding flowing in. It is really hard to keep money flowing into research that isn't making any progress. You can only build up and sell so many "major" breakthroughs (that arent actual breakthroughs) and so many bold predictions about life in the lab in 5 years. Before those funding the research realize its not true and move on to funding someone/something else.

Thank you Dr. Tour, and Dr. Stadler for being willing to positively challenge the,”Primordial soup” status quo.

It is so preposterous and outrageous that the only way that Lee Cronin would agree to come is if James couldn’t talk. This is how fragile he is. He can’t have James expose him or else he won’t come. Sheer insanity.

Dr James Tour. Bringing integrity back to science. Bravo.

"...nobody, the entire evening asked me a single question..." Why? Because the truth isnt useful. Proverbs 23:9 would guide me in that situation which honestly was curious to watch. Thanks Dr Tour for all you great work and Abiogenesis series. GBY

Loving these kinds of interactions with other scientists one-on-one. Well done, Jim and well done, Rob!

The fact that Dr. Tour predicted out loud that Lee Cronin will not even talk about chemistry - the very science that was at the core of the subject - and that even with this prediction, Lee Cronin still didn't even adapt to change his talk to combat the prediction, is... jaw-dropping!

Just want to say thanks to Dr. Tour and all the other scientists who are seeking honesty and truth in our science. It makes more sense to me, to deal with the realities that we are presented with, than it is to keep dreaming merely because some people have, 'objections,' to what the science may actually point to. I would rather have useful science that actually goes somewhere, than to have outdated scientific hypotheses be foisted on us. The main thing is, as they said, make our science books reflect the reality of the situation instead of claiming a bunch of unproven garbage. Tell the truth.

Very interesting! What Dr Tour and Dr Stadler agreed on at 25:55 min in this video, makes it a "game changer" for me, personally: Some day we might conclude that natural processes can never create life all by themselves. I believe personally we should already be able to make that conclusion!

The problem with God-in-the-gaps is not really the appeal to God, but rather as we learn more and more about the cell, we find that the gaps keep growing larger and larger. So, it's more like an evolution-in-the-gaps problem. BTW, a scientist CAN say that life cannot form spontaneously in the pre-biotical world. It's called the SECOND law of thermodynamics. Going to the moon is only a physical difficulty. The spontaneous formation of the lunar module, however, is not just a physical difficulty. It's a thermodynamic impossibility. And life is more complex than a lunar module. Dr. Stadler is right and he didn't actually NEED to qualify his sentences.

This should be a slam dunk for scientists so confident in their assertions, but they mostly run for the hills or dissemble badly. Very telling, in fact the most telling factor in this debate. You have given me masive doubts in my previous assumptions that OOL science was basically on the right track and even healthy, so thank you Dr. Tour. A good heuristic in any issue you are having a problem deciding what to believe: "I will see what I think after the best experts on either side have had a debate". of course, persistent non-shows tell their own story.

We are with you Dr Tour ! Show them ! God bless you !

Thank you for sharing so much information with us. It supplies me with ample research topics every single time!

Such honesty and achievements from Dr. Tour. His strides with Graphene are already effecting the world.

I'm glad God gave me a desire to know the truth, although I must admit to having had significant difficulty in my short life of 89 years, to be truthful myself. Thank both of you, Dr. Tour and Dr. Stadler for providing this presentation. May our Lord continue to guide your path with wisdom and His anointing.

I wanted to thank Dr. Tour he is absolutely great at this but he is so smart and knowledgeable he needs a normal person to ask him questions and explain things where most everyone can grasp what Dr. Tour is saying. Thanks again

This should be called the "chemical coup" to hypotheses of evolution from prebiotic matter. These are very strong arguments. Thank you, Dr. Tour, for your work in favor of the truth regarding the possible origin of living beings from prebiotic matter.

Dr.Tour's opponents are clearly afraid so they react like a child and start crying in fear and distress 😊

I'm so very proud of you Dr Tour. People in the lay world need to be correctly informed. Well done sir.

I'm going through Dr Rob Stadler and Change Laura Tan's book right now; "The stairway to life" and they are refreshingly direct and concise about the challenges of abiogenesis. An easy, compact read, I recommend it for anyone.

Love your unwavering intensity to live and uphold the TRUTH in a world gone awry. Thank you for being an ambassador for Christ.

Lee Cronin was saying you were yelling. Truth hurts the corrupt heart. Passion is the most beautiful cut for a repentant soul. It's so telling...

I got Rob’s book “The Stairway to Life” several years ago which is using simple words to explain complex problems in the origin of life… impressive!

I, as merely one of the afformentioned "masses" Dr. Tour says he's putting these videos out for, GREATLY appreciate his efforts! I don't like being lied to (who does) but I am very frustrated by these old, worn out lies that the scientific community will not come clean on. I love science. My dad was a science teacher, and he really was blessed with a lot of raw talent in teaching. I could ask him, when I was little "Daddy, why does the sun shine?" and he would actually explain to me the make up of the sun and the explosions taking place on it! I loved that. Of course, I'm in my 60's now, so I can understand far more. Science has so much more to brag about if they only told the truth! Just hearing of science's discoveries as to the tiny million part cell (essentially, not necessarily literally) is astounding! I wish science folks understood that even a mensa would love to know these things, rather than keep reading about the old tired and proven-false narratives in every article that COULD have been fascinating. As soon as I read that, it's like a big blank with "fill in as you please" under it. It's boring. I want to know the REAL things that have been discovered. Good grief! The world would forget Darwin's Disaster in about 3 minutes if they knew what science actually KNOWS now!

God Bless you for speaking the truth when it’s easier to please the crowd. May God clean the sciences of the insincere and deliver us from the harm they cause.

Thank you, Dr. Tour and Dr. Stadler for this discussion. Research grants with implied or explicit ideological strings coupled with hubris imprison many professional researchers. I was lost in the dark before Yeshua, the Good Shepherd, found me and rescued me from myself, the world and the devil.

Great video! Time to replace the mythology of abiogenesis with the observable science and documented history of scripture.

A question that should be posed to "origin of life" researchers is this: So far no mechanism has been discovered to show how abiogenesis could occur during the Earth's existence. If in future a new mechanism is discovered that would allow abiogenesis to proceed, then why do we only see one version of DNA? If there is some easier and quicker way for simple amino acids to combine, then why don't we see a myriad of base components and not just the four we currently see: adenine, cytosine, guanine, and thymine?

I have worked for passionate employers where I had to actually listen, it was surprising to find out their words contained logic and reason. It also was uncomfortable and it's never easy to man up and get over your self *interest*.

Amen Brother! God Bless you against the flood of nonsense from the enemy who is full of himself and empty of his Creator.

Dr Tour, thanks 🙏. Prayers for your ministry 🙏🙏

Great Work. I am very thankful for both of you to make this clarification of the Harvard meeting.

The problem with biochemistry as a tool is the 'nearness' hurdle, bringing the desired atoms near enough to bond spontaneously. We have very much difficulty in creating molecular structures because we have few direct manipulation techniques. We rely on natural mixing, bringing atoms to such close proximity, that they will bond. Apart from atomic sputtering (producing vapors from a hot filament in a vacuum), we cannot hold a molecule in a fixture, and add another atom to it. Because we are such large macroscopic creatures ourselves, we can't work at that scale. But that's what you need to do to build molecules. Atomic forceps, atomic vises, working at near absolute zero, that's what is needed. Working with solutions is a dead end for answering the OOL question.

One thing that wasn’t directly addressed: Evolutionary minded people assume that the moment ANY self-replicating cycle is formed, then complexity will automatically increase and evolution by selection will kick in. But that is not only an unproven assumption, what we actually see is the opposite: selection actually favors shorter, less resource demanding, and faster cycles. Not more complex, more resource demanding, and longer cycles, which is the direction that is required to eventually produce life.

Thank you for the video Dr. James tour! Your channel has been very resourceful!

The odds of the scientific community changing the text books is rare but Tour is the man.

God bless you doctor Tour!

Protien folding problem! "The problem is that this is extremely computationally intensive. A typical protein has hundreds of amino acids, which means thousands of atoms. But the environment also matters: the protein interacts with surrounding water when folding. So you have more like 30k atoms to simulate...... What is the “protein folding problem”? A brief explanation by Jason Crawford · November 30, 2020 · 5 min read

You are a hero Dr.Tour

It is incredible that people still listen to Cronin. He is the most obvious snake oil salesman ever 😅

Thank you both for spreading the truth on the issue. May God bless you all❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️

The ONLY reason the trolls come here, is because they themselves recognize the gaping hole that Tour has torn in their favorite fairy tale. So they constantly come here to try and put a patch over that huge hole and emit a constant barrage of personal attacks on the man instead of ever addressing the actual FACTS. They KNOW the facts are against them, it's why they squeal so much instead of providing any actual proof of their hypothesis. They claim it's too complicated to understand yet. Think about that. They want you to believe that life arising totally unguided by itself, is so simple that brainless molecules can do it, while at the same time, claiming it's too difficult to currently duplicate. Which is it? Simple or hard?

Rob Stadler's "Stairway to Life" is an absolute "must-read" for anyone interested in OOL subject.

This is quality content. Cronin and his acolytes should be ashamed for what they are doing, and projecting into an otherwise noble science. God bless you Dr. Tour.

Blessings Dr. Tour, I am so grateful and thank GOD every day for introducing me to HIS TRUTH, to your channel, and to the profound prolific scientific research that you are involved in. Thank you for inviting Dr. Stadler to your channel, and for this dynamic conversation you are having to clear up the disrespectful display by Lee Cronin in his inept bombastic boastful, challenging discourse which only showed his envy towards you. I think Harvard showed their indignant stupidity to invite individuals who do not know chemistry and allowed Lee Cronin to throw the TRUTH out the window. I BELIEVE that ALL the attempts that man/woman makes to find the ORIGIN OF LIFE will fail! In Genesis 3:24 GOD drove out man from the garden of EDEN and stationed a cherubim and a flaming sword which turns in every direction to guard the way to the TREE OF LIFE. The TREE OF LIFE is the ORIGIN OF LIFE. GOD will NEVER EVER ALLOW MAN TO FIND IT! GOD obviously allowed the woman and man to make the first mistake (SIN-to disobey HIS command), and allowed both of them to carry on with their life the first time, but not a second time. Man has contempt for GOD, and that contempt remains ingrained in all of us from that very day that woman wanted to be like GOD. Man/woman is in pursuit of immortality, and continues to want to be like GOD. GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED. I also want to share with you that I watch your Bible Study, and know that we are destined to meet someday. God bless you, your family, Israel, and our beloved USA. Blessings always, your Sister in Christ. Myrta Rivera BS Political Science, PC Broadcasting & Entertainment, PC Motion Picture & Television, BA Business Administration/Marketing, BA Labor Relations, MA Public Policy, MA Negotiations, Conflict Resolutions & Peace Building, Doctoral Candidate.

Dr Tour I Love your passion. You kept your cool the whole time. And I applaud you! That whole table was set against you. Felt like daniel and the lions! You are amazing, your science is BEYOND amazing. And your faith has inspired a multitude! Never doubt for the lord is with you! God bless you and the whole of your family.

thank you both.. it's phantastic

I love Dr Tour’s attitude and ability. Especially his desire to disseminate this incredibly complex research work to non-researchers so they can get a reasonable grasp of the key aspects/drivers.

I highly respect Dr Tour, hes so matter of fact towards creation. Praise the Lord!

The physicists at the table were clueless about even the most basic metaphysics. Peter Kreeft exposed a lot of ignorance at that table.

THANK YOU, Dr. Tour!!!! You are the ONLY VISIBLE (AND MUCH NEEDED) critic of abiogenesis!!!

I'd like to see Rob Stadler Part 2, where Rob does all the talking, please. Let Rob present his main critique of abiogenesis research, or why he believes we may be approaching a threshold in our understanding of biological systems and reaction chemistry to be able to dismiss a naturalistic explanation.

"Some how" , is not a science, its a religion Auto catalyse is a magic word for that

Thank you gentlemen🌹🌹

It's not about what we do not know (God of the gaps argument) but about what we DO know.

Needless to say, Lee was using every tricks in the politician's textbook to get out of that "debate" from personal attack, appeal to feeling, dodging questions like a pro. Look like he already prepared for his next career when his academic reputation ruined.

You are a good man, Dr. Tour. Thank you for this podcast and please keep doing them.

Dr. Rob Stadler made a good point, to think that eventually there will be a natural cause for why molecules move toward each other to attach correctly, may be illogical. because the answer may only be supernatural. They may only move together because they are responding to the Word of God's Power. A Word based system. The explanation may only be supernatural, and maybe science can eventually prove that the only answer is unnatural.

I admire you SO MUCH Dr. Tour!!!!!

James I am posting this in the hopes you take feedback to heart. There are several factors leading OOL scientists to dismiss you. 1. You style. Call it what you want, passion if you must, but nobody really wants to watch you shouting. I believe you would benefit from passion management. Learn to pause and collect your thoughts and speak once you have mastered your emotional volatility. 2. We all know you hold strong religious beliefs and we can all see how these beliefs influence the things you say. Religious belief or faith is perfectly acceptable many scientists have such beliefs. The difference is we expect you to review the OOL without your religious presuppositions. While you are obviously of the opinion you are able to enter into the discussion without presuppositions, it is glaringly obvious to your colleagues you do not. Your denials of said presuppositions are obviously false. Again the solution is self reflection. Admit your presuppositions and test them. When the evidence contradicts your presuppositions be willing to concede, something you seem incapable of doing. 3. And last you are arguing from ignorance amd/or God of the gaps and/or denial of evidence and/or incredulity (life is too complex to understand), you even go as far as suggesting removing textbooks and shout as you do so. You emphasize what we do not yet understand. In doing so you reject or ignore what we do understand. Origin of life is so much more than synthetic chemistry. It involves geology, biology biochemistry, genetics, astrophysics, etc. We do have self replicating molecules for example. When you fail to acknowledge what we do know the OOL scientists are going to ignore you. Why are you attacking the "primordial soup" model when such a concept is outdated? This is both a straw man but more importantly it only shows how little understand you have of modern hypothesis and theories and more importantly modern evidence. Attacking the primordial soup model is akin to saying we are clueless about astrophysics because the the flat earth model is false. Your understanding is simply outdated and you do not give the impression you are capable of considering the modern evidence. You have been marginalized for the reasons above and will remain so until you correct the errors of your ways.

God bless you and your work Dr. Tou1

Great Podcast and guest. Keep up the good work with the podcast and information. I continue to pray for you and your work and appreciate this stance of truth against the scientific misinformation put out there for so many decades.

Thank you Dr. Tour, I have totally no knowledge of chemistry but I totally understand what you are saying…thank you for being so humble and passionate.

Thanks for your commitment and honesty guys, great discussion

We have documents, written accounts, of China planting, growing and harvesting rice as far back as 8000 BC. Let that sink in. The Chinese were farming rice 4000 years before earth existed. Ooops. This is awkward.

If you notice the independent scientists who can create and build have no problem with a creator God. Its always the phds who just sit at a desk pushing state approved propaganda who have never built, discovered or created anything who thinks there is no creator. The clear difference between understanding and knowledge. James tour has understanding.

I ordered both dr Robert Stadlers books!

To all who questioned my assertion that undirected chemical processes tend to favor shorter, less complex cycles, consider this quote from a recent Nature article on RNA world theory problems, by Nick Lane and Joana Xavier: “The problems are that there is little evidence that RNA can catalyse many of the reactions attributed to it (such as those required for metabolism); and copying ‘naked’ RNA (that is not enclosed in compartments such as cells) favours the RNA strands that replicate the fastest. *Far from building complexity, these tend to get smaller and simpler over time.* Worse, by regularly drying everything out, wet-dry cycles keep forming random groupings of RNA (in effect, randomized genomes). The best combinations, which happen to encode multiple useful catalysts, are immediately lost again by re-randomization in the next generation, precluding the ‘vertical inheritance’ that is needed for evolution to build novelty.”

The snowflakes are melting, and it's only February!

God bless you, Dr Tour. Keep up the pressure - the cracks are showing 🙏

Thank You, Dr JT, for Your bold, i.e., fearless stand against the prevailing lie that's permeating culture and society !

Thank you Dr. Tour and Dr. Stadler, gifted and inspiring scientists

Thanks so much for your efforts Drs. It all a Piltdown Man project revisited.

I haven’t got any degrees at all but I can see for myself how the complexity of the body’s construction cannot possibly have been made by chance or ‘natural selection’ . Take the complexity of the knee joint for instance. It is complicated . It bends , it is stable, it is held together in a functioning form by muscles and ligaments that are strong yet flexible and resilient . The joint is cushioned with a strong flexible cartilage. The knee cannot work without any of these components. When damaged it is very difficult to repair and probably can not be repaired back to its natural working state. It could not be done over time because how could it work in the meantime? It is impossible.

The abiogenesis hypothesis on RNA replication is a huge scam.

Lasked the biochemist Lemken in Germany the following question: "In your opinion, why is it that Lee Cronin's announcement in 2011 to create a living cell in the laboratory by 2013 has still not been realised, even though supercomputers that can perform several quadrillion calculations per second are now available to science? His interesting answer was: "This computing power is nowhere near enough (!!!!)." He then provides me with a detailed scientific explanation... The prebiotic Earth would certainly have been happy if it had had a simulated pocket calculator at its disposal.....

Funny right! Dave the RU-vidr has all the answers but the doctors do not. Lee says they don't have the answers but Dave says it could have happened in many ways. Dave is a scam😂😂😂😂

Excellent, thought provoking discussion. Thank you both for sharing this and for your very interesting work.

Nice talk. Very good explanation from Dr. Stadler. Just maybe he should use more time and bring in some other details or examples

Another great insightful discussion! The world needs more of this!

Blessings from Canada! Understand more because of you, Dr. Tour!

This question I was asked is worth a new thread: //Please explain how to do science without relying on Methodological Naturalism.// First, it’s important to note the different methodologies between experimental and historical sciences. The former studies recurrent, repeating phenomena while the latter studies one-time past events. Experimental science’s findings can inform historical sciences but not the other way around. I’ll explain more in a minute. First, Experimental Sciences without MN? Just follow the experimental method, period. First, propose an hypothesis, then develop a repeatable experiment with control groups and other means to allow for only a few variables to affect the end result, and run the experiment multiple times to confirm the predicted effect follows the specific variable being followed. If the experiment repeatedly confirms the hypothesis’ predictions, the hypothesis is confirmed. If the predictions don’t happen, or happen no more often than chance (the null hypothesis), the hypothesis is disconfirmed. Simple. Notice that not once did I have to invoke or mention MN. It is truly irrelevant to the actual process. Now, let’s say I were running an experiment about the formation of salt crystals in a solution. I run the experiment 999 times and get the same salt crystals formed. Then on the 1,000th run, I get a salt crystal with black specks embedded that spell out the words “God Was Here.” What happens then? Is the scientist obligated to throw out his or her hypothesis about how salt crystals *normally* form due to this outlier? No. Precisely BECAUSE miracles-assuming for a moment this was one-don’t change what normally happens ABSENT divine intervention. Or human intervention, for that matter. Which leads to the next question: is the scientist obligated to immediately conclude God wrote that message? Nope. They would actually have to shift to the methods of Historical Science: Inference to the Best Explanation. This is no longer a study of what normally happens without outside interference, but a question of what happened in THIS specific, non-recurring instance, where it is obvious SOMETHING intervened during that single run that drastically changed the outcome. So, IBE proposes several potential causal agents might have caused this one-time past effect. It may look to other experimental data or past experience to be able to show which of the possible causal agents proposed is CAPABLE of having produced the effect in question. In the salt crystal message purportedly from God example, God is one possible causal agent, natural undirected chemical processes another, and a prank by another intelligent human agent a third. Of these three, natural undirected chemical processes are NOT known to be able to produce such a message, and so can be ruled out, leaving human or divine intelligence. Now, although in general intelligent humans are known to be capable of writing messages, the issue becomes did any human agent have the means, motive AND opportunity to interfere when that experiment was in process? If there was no one with access to the experiment, cameras showed no on in the lab at all, no remote access to the setup was possible, etc., then human intelligent agents can be ruled out. Leaving God as the only possible cause left. Notice once again I did not have to invoke MN at all. What happens if we DO invoke MN? Assume the message really WAS caused by God. All invoking MN would do is prevent anyone from actually correctly finding the actual cause. MN CAN ONLY LEAD TO FALSE OR MISSING KNOWLEDGE. It NEVER adds to our knowledge.

Does Jim plan on suing Professor Dave for slander and ruining his professional reputation? If Jim thinks Dave lied about him in order to ruin his reputation, I think that’s enough to file a lawsuit.

Just bear in mind, folks, Tour hasn't provided any argument that proves abiogenesis is chemically impossible. Sure, it's possible to criticise individual research approaches, but you have to point out why, not simply whine that the whole idea is impossible. The real question is in figuring out what the first replicating polymers were - assuming a definition of proto-life as replicating biochemistry - and the simplest chemistry and environmental conditions needed to support them and allow them to evolve. Clearly, any honest scientist - Tour isn't one, he's prejudiced against it - will point out we're not sure where to look. That's why a lot of different ideas need to be explored to have any hope of answering the question. And sure, you can argue there are more important research areas biologically. But this kind of research is mostly funded privately by folk interested in the answer. To understand why Tour gets bent out of shape about it, you have to realise that religion is far more important to Tour than science. He feels personally threatened by particular research avenues, because he fears what they'll discover, and force him to re-evaluate his religious beliefs.

Hello Jim, Are accusations of academic fraud the same as bearing false witness (if your claims aren't established by evidence or are otherwise incorrect)? Best Wishes, Dr Ian. PS If your claims are legitimate, why not publish in the legitimate literature? You know how already, and I think I know why you won't publish.

Well done James.

The possibility that there may come a day when it is discovered that life could not and did not come about by natural processes is an excellent point. That seems to be the road we are on. Another point, which is very important, is to bring into the cultures consciousness the understanding of how much anyone's world view affects the interpretation of facts. Darwin's evolutionary world view dominates the scientific mind, Therefore, everything had to evolve. This permeates all of how reality is understood by the post Darwin age. EX: the Bible cannot be taken as is, but must have evolved.

God bless you dr. Tour i love your passion and honesty

Science of the gaps!

Thank you Dr Tour for taking your time to explain this. We need all our scientists to be this passionate in pursuing the truth!

I thank God for Dr. Tour. I love his passion for Jesus and evangelism (not the main topic of this discussion, but it is beautiful and good). I also thank God for the way he has helped people to see some of the problems with Origin of Life (OOL) research. But when it comes to finding a natural pathway to life in the future, I think Dr. Tour is missing something. He gave an example of someone trying to jump to the moon in 1700 and then concluding that people would never make it to the moon. Well, in my understanding, trying to jump to the moon is not theoretically impossible (I don't know any law that forbids it) but it is clearly practically impossible. We can say with confidence that no one will do it. But we did make it to the moon. It required intelligent design of rockets. In the same way, I think we can already say with confidence that it is practically impossible for natural, unguided causes to produce life. This is not based on what we do not know, it is based on what we do know. There is no law that absolutely prevents it, but like jumping to the moon it is practically impossible. But adding the intelligent guidance is like adding man-made rockets to get to the moon. I think this is a more accurate way to see the analogy.

Oh please give up Tour. You are no better than the other "scientists" for God. Technical objections to science do not prove your mythical beliefs in any way.

Very generous of you to refer to a lecture followed by a gag order as a "debate".

I always tell Darwanists that they merely replace God with "time in the gaps."