Return to Zombie Island is even more insulting because of just how amazing the original was. The 'sequel' also just ruins Velma by making her out as an idiot
True, they had an opportunity to do something interesting with her in these and just made her out to be clearly less smart than she fancies herself as well as overly annoying...
I will never understand how someone like Krieg got a job for Scooby-Doo. Guy took most popular storylines with real monsters then wants it all to be bad guy in a mask. Wasn't the point in Zombie Island that they disbanded cause the guys in masks made the job too monotonous and boring? Sorta like his movie.
Exactly! Like I guess I can understand why they would be hesitant to include supernatural elements, but it doesn't have to be as graphic as ScoobyNatural for example.
@@abi_cat28 One would think that the surge in popularity the franchise got from Mystery Incorporated, and that had real supernatural elements, would show that fans don't want it ALWAYS be one or the other but the mystery of not knowing finding out is why we love the show.
If he working on original movies it'd be fine, but why is someone so set against supernatural elements in Scooby-Doo being put in charge of movies related to previous entries that are based on real supernatural elements? It'd be like putting a writer who likes the original Star Wars trilogy but hates the Prequel trilogy in charge of a Star Wars movie specifically based on the Prequels
Personally I think removing past instances of Mystery Inc. facing supernatural, be it red shirt era, live action films, zombie island, etc. really takes away from the franchise as a whole. Mainly because it gets a bit boring if we always know that the paranormal will be revealed to be fake. Yes, they did overuse it at times, but the mere fact that there were all these well known series and films with real ghosts shows that it is possible. There is always a mystery for the viewer to solve, because we are not certain that it will be fake. It retains the mystery. It would be lost if it all were to be retconned. I am glad that they at least left these classic stories ambiguous, but I really hope they don't do it again. Even if we never get another magical Scooby-film, it's important for the previous ones to exist.
I can't believe this is the way I find out Vincent Price was bisexual! I love Vincent Price. Even as a child he was one of my favorite actors. The Great mouse detective was a favorite in my house growing up. I'm bisexual myself. It's strange to feel more connected to people because of who they love. I looked up more about his life and to hear how much he did for the queer community and how he supported his daughter when she came out was really heart warming. ❤
Probably the worst part, there was potential for something interesting with her, only to make her out to be not nearly as smart as she fancies herself 😅 overly out of character between three different writers
And what makes this worse is in Happy Halloween Scooby-Doo, the Scarecrow from the Batman series is in it. Meaning this trilogy takes place in the DC universe where monsters, magic, aliens, and all kinds of other things exist in it. So for her to say that none of that kind of stuff is real makes her look like a complete idiot.
Yeah, I've really disliked the take on Velma in recent years. Her being so staunchly against the belief in the supernatural has been a bit annoying, and I feel like she's also been written to be incredibly rude and mean-spirited towards the rest of the Mystery Gang at times, especially in this trilogy. Like she's no longer the smart, logical one that everyone listens to and respects, she's become this insecure person who puts down ideas or beliefs that she disagrees with to feel smart.
Y'know what pisses me off about The Scarecrow in Happy Halloween? It means that all this time these movies take place in the DC universe which is populated by Zombies (Solomon Grundy) Ghosts (Deadman) Vampires (Count Dracula) & Aliens (Martian Manhunter) which means Velma has no reason not to believe in the supernatural
I see scooby doo as a property always scared to embrace itself and what it has done. That's why I think its at its best when the writers embrace the horror roots and mystery elements the real og scooby still had
Mystery Incorporated is the perfect example of embracing what makes Scooby-Doo great. And I am so happy they ended it where they did; I adore it, but it was done. And I don't want another one. Mystery Inc is IT.
I believe that the curse of the 13th ghost and return to zombie island deserve the hate because they're a nostalgic nightmare and Velma is really irritating
There are two things I hate about the Curse of the 13th Ghost. One, Scrappy Doo didn't get a chance to come back and help Scooby gang. Second, the 13th ghost was turned out to be a fake when it should've been real throughout the whole movie.
A big reason they get hate is because they insult our intelligence. For example Return to Zombie Island had the zombie be generic while in Zombie Island they had unique designs.
For me it's the "reckoning" and claiming the gang can't handle it is what mainly pisses me off me about these movies if you don't like when the gang goes up against the supernatural whatever just keep your hands off the previous supernatural outings and do your own thing seriously while I'd love a Ghoul School sequel I'd explode if they pull the no supernatural bullshit with it Side note I feel so bad for Fred he's forced to get rid of his van and when he get's back some asshole tries to replace it and it gets destroyed I'd be pissed too
i really wish they explain why Fred & Velma didnt know who scappy was because in scooby doo mystery incorporated fred and daphnne see a statue of scappy fred we dont talk about him again.
Krieg is the perfect example of those fans that go “ooh, but the original Scooby-Doo series made it clear that there is nothing abnormal about their world besides a talking dog, real monsters is stupid and ridiculous!”, though having people pretending to be monsters is also kind of ridiculous, especially when in recent years, it really feels like that nobody in their world can ever do something the old fashioned way, they are like “have a problem going on but you just don’t want to tell anyone about it or if you want to commit a crime but don’t have common sense, pretend to be a monster because everyone in your world is too stupid to not know the cheapness of the beast!”
Return to Zombie Island WANTED to be a homage to the original. It failed because it was advertised as a sequel. It clearly isn't, they are teens in 'Return' and Daphne was working on a school project, while in 'Zombie Island' they were working adults. The two movies are in two different continuities, but something overly similar to 'Zombie Island' happened to the gang in the continuity of 'Return'.
I think the studio meddling with return to zombie's island is a little bit ironic ( if I'm use it right) because zombie island is the way it it because that was little to no studio meddling.
If Velma had burned the ferry, there would be a major inconsistency: why should so many people be arrested for various monster hoaxes/trespassing/ treasure hunting, but the gang gets of scot-free with all the damage they cause? Even in the final film, it's a bit frustrating that Alan Smithee got away with a crime as serious as arson.
Especially with the sheriff being so prominent right there 😂 Velma might as well have some consequences coming from doing something like that anyway, she's frequently out of character and manic throughout the trilogy as it is lol
I watched both movies because I was just curious. I wasn't going to even bother with Return to Zombie Island because I loved the first movie so much. It got me interested in watching Scooby-Doo again. Both of the sequels have continuity issues just for making the gang teenagers again. That's the frustrating part. I can actually deal with the rest because at the end, the supernatural stuff can't really be explained. Velma tries, but she really can't explain the supernatural stuff that happened. At the end of The Thirteenth Ghost, she doesn't open the chest of demons because she's not confident enough that her theories are right. There's too much at steak for being wrong.
I think when it comes to Jim Krieg and Scooby Doo, I think he's a pretty good writer. As a producer, as much as I do have fun with Curse Of The 13th Ghost and Return To Zombie Island, he's better as a producer on Scooby movies that are designed from the start to simply be fun adventures. It's with this where I find Scooby Doo: The Sword And The Scoob and Scooby Doo And Krypto Too to be the better movies he produced.
The idea of putting 13 Ghosts and the VHS movies on the same timeline is so dumb cause they dont fit together, if at least these movies had real ghosts these would been maybe passable movies
Yeah this is one thing that really pisses me off about modern Scooby-Doo they always got poked fun at Scrappy-Doo by giving him the middle finger. I understand that he was kind of annoying original series that he was in but I felt like they kind of made him a bit better at the franchise went on before they removed him.
Is it really THAT hard to redeem Scrappy-Doo at some point?? It wasn't hard for Flim-Flam when he appeared in Scooby-Doo and the Curse of the 13th Ghost not to long ago!
So you’re telling me that the scarecrow from Batman was in a scooby doo movie? And that same scarecrow was hired on by the long running sherif character for revenge? Then that same scarecrow character kidnapped the Sherif character? Presumably to test new forms of the fear toxin on? Or maybe to spend time in Arkum? Neat.
What ruined 13th Ghost for me was Velma. Everything else I either loved (Flim-Flam) or could’ve stomached (Mortifer being Asmodeus). As for Return? There was no saving that one. Happy Halloween was cute, but the “continuity” aspect kinda killed it. And I did not appreciate goofy Daphne.
In curse of the 13th ghost, in the French version, velma claims that the 13 ghosts don't exist (I don't know what she says in the American version). That totally contradicts what happened in the original show with the 13 ghosts, you know, the one with real monsters.
My nostalgia factor made me hate the “sequel” movies. I’m sure I could enjoy them out of the context I watched them, and maybe if they had some supernatural sequences but I understand why they didn’t.
For some reason the Scooby Doo franchise really love doing in the wizard trope lately Removing all references to the supernatural being real from past media for some reason.
In the phantam episode in the first og series, there was a gag ending where a bone floated before scooby could eat it, the first instance of supernatural being a thing before the 80s scooby movies made it a reality. In short, the chance of supernatural began to grow over time.
i can forgive Velma denying the 13 ghosts since she wasn't in the original series it's still annoying but still as for denying Zombie Island she literally ahs no excuse i would've written her differently in all of these movies like after hearing Scooby nearly having a breakdown in 13 Ghosts she would be worried about Asmodeus making Scooby have another breakdown so she'd try to protect Scooby as well as Shaggy from the ghost for Return To Zombie Island i'd have her think that Simone & Lena's Cat God is trying to get revenge on the gang (which i have a theory about the 4th cat creature in RTZI being the Cat God in a physical form) and for Happy Halloween i'd have her be the same as she is in that movie except make her believe in real ghosts overall this is a decent trilogy and Happy Halloween is honestly in my top 10 Scooby movies Curse Of The 13th Ghost gets a 6 and a half out of 10 from me it would have a higher score if Asmodeus wasn't a guy in a mask in the end and was caught in the chest of demons Return To Zombie Island gets a 5/10 again higher if Velma didn't deny the supernatural of the OG film if Velma never said the Zombie Island events were fake than maybe people would've liked the film better Happy Halloween gets honestly a 9/10 it's just an amazing movie in the franchise i love the return of Crystal Cove all though to be honest i wish that brought back Mayor Nettles and Sheriff Stone maybe even have The Hex Girls sing for the Halloween parade i think those characters would've been better to have instead of Bill Nye and the father and his daughter
a producer and the studio asked the crew of both 13th ghost and return of zombie island to avoid supernatural elements because they didn't like it when the franchise brought in supernatural elements. Look I understand the whole just telling kids that facing your fears is like facing a person in a costume; but sometimes having the monsters be real sort of prepares them for real life. Heck there's a reason why the original Zombie Island ends with this from Detective Beau: The Bayou cast a spell all its own and no matter how hard you try to solve its mysteries it always keeps something hidden. It's a little ambiguous but its sort of like a little life lesson. That said how do I personally view return...a parody movie.
I love that 4th cat creature being a reminder that zombie island actually happened and it was still vengeful about what happened to the 2 from that movie plus it’s all black and there wasn’t one in the movie so it’s interesting enough though I wish they focused more on that one and extended the movie a bit to show more of it and who it is
Current theory about Scrappy: 13 ghosts is in the timeline before Scrappy's series. The whole scooby timeline is wonky, but thinking that in 13 ghosts the gang was around 19-23, but in the scrappy show, shaggy and daphne went to a high school reunion thats likely 5 or 10 year - so either right after 13 ghosts or even several years after
@@kyleellis1825 i dunno. the scooby gang & scooby especially are constantly finding/searching for magical artifacts. who's to say scooby doesn't activate or eat something magical that stops his aging?
@@305unreal6 If that happened, Velma would have proof of the supernatural. But she still thinks it's not true in return to zombie island. So Scooby can't be more than a couple years older than 8 and he'd be pretty much geriatric.
@@305unreal6 Again, that would have Velma aware of the supernatural or it would have the gang investigating his age. It's impossible for more than 2-3 of any of the scooby doo series to be connected.
Ever since I saw Curse of the 13th Ghost I thought that it was a missed opportunity not to bring back Scrappy. I think they could’ve brought him back but have him be older and more mature (less annoying).
They could have even just had him be travelling with Flim-Flam, have the two be working together and Scrappy can leave with him at the end. Like there was zero need to refuse to include him while still referencing him.
Sadly I feel this would mean Scooby also gets older. Also it would mean Scrappy, whos being seen as annoying is "iconic to character" would be changed. And companies hate changing "iconic" things
I stumbled on Return first and found it hilarious (probably not in the intended way), then 13th Ghost months later, and I'm... just now becoming aware Happy Halloween and Trick or Treat are two different movies. So never seeing the last one, I had absolutely no idea these were connected lmao As always, you're absolutely hilarious and informative so thank you! I would kill for a livestream of you drunk watching classic scooby
Elvira being a rolemodel to Daphne makes sense when you take into account Grey Griffin being a similarly beautiful dark haired lady with a dark sense of humor. The friendship feels like a whole shoutout to Grey.
The Thirteenth Ghost upsets me because of how mean Velma is. She's so warped up and mean towards Scooby-Doo's literal trauma. I wanna see Flim Flam and Vincent, but that was not it
I recently had bottom surgery, so i had the opportunity to watch every single scooby doo movie in order, and i was very excited for the 13th ghost and return to zombie island in particular because i had never got to see them and I love the orginals of both, but they are the most 5/10 movies i've seen, the nostalgia was kinda cool, but kinda cheap imo
Another thing about Return to Zombie Island that didn't make sense to me is the presence of Moonscar's treasure. I would have thought that Lena and Simone would have dug up the treasure and used it to finance their lifestyle for the next century or two. How could it possibly still be there by the time of this movie?
Its very great that Flim-Flam and Vincent Van Ghoul came back in Scooby-Doo and the Curse of the 13th Ghost, even though its still ashame that Scrappy-Doo didn't return in the Film. 😢😢😢😢😢😢 Still hope he gets redeemed very soon in the near Future at some point...........I hope.
i so love be cool daphne! she makes me laugh hard everytime I rebinge the show. girl boss daphne is also way up there. LOVE her so much. velma sadly really got the short end of every stick in this trilogy.
I don't know if anyone has ever noticed this before, but there is a thematic trilogy of episodes hidden within... the original Scooby-Doo, Where Are You! series. In season 2 the first 3 episodes feature attempts by the villains to compromise the Mystery Machine. First, in "Nowhere to Hyde" Mr Hyde breaks into the back of the van while the gang is in the Malt shop. Second, in "Mystery Mask Mix-Up" the "emissaries of the living dead, or Jianshi chase the Mystery Machine through San Francisco until the end up crashing in Fisherman's Wharf and kidnapping Daphne after the gang is thrown out of the van. Third and last, in "Jeepers, Its the Creeper" the eponymous villain himself surprises the gang when they attempt to re-enter the van.
I was super excited for Curse of the 13th when it was announced but once I was done watching the movie, I was absolutely livid. I wanted to destroy the copy I purchased (I didn't since even if it's trash media, still should be preserved). I loved watching 13 Ghosts growing up, it was one of my favorites and to see it shown such disrespect by the studio was rage inducing. I don't entirely blame the writer, since it sounds like he tried to make an actual conclusion, but with how much the studio wanted to remove the parts that made 13 Ghosts special, the project just should have been cancelled or shelved until someone who wasn't acting stupid was in charge to allow it. No Scrappy, continuity is thrown in the trash, cheerleader Fred is just awful imo, and the removal of anything supernatural with a super annoying skeptical Velma who feels right in the end just left the worst taste in my mouth. I've missed many Scooby movies and returning with this one just soured me from watching any other.
It's a shame, because I got soured on the movies at one point as well, but there are so many gems hidden in them due to how many got pumped out over the last decade that can end up falling between the cracks, as many as there are 5/10 star quality ones.
Studio: "NO! We MUST protect the PURENESS of Scooby-Doo!" Mindy Kaling: "Hi, here's my self insert Velma fan fiction full of blood, sex and hatred for everyone except for me---er----I mean---Velma." Studio: (Hand her a bag of money)
Even as someone that doesn't completely hate that show, it's definitely really weird that they let the IP be used in such a wildly different way after being so overly protective 😅
@@Scoobytopia I know, right? Like I knew there was studio intervention just by watching those Scooby movies but I didn't know how much until I watched this vid (great job as usual btw) and then last night started to (finally) watch a lot of interviews on JayBee and Milly's channel. It's frustrating to see such obvious nepotism or basically sucking-up to Mindy Kaling because they think she's their ticket to instant money rather than putting out any of the canceled in mid-production Scooby movies. It reeks of desperation and it's not a good look.
@bacchiguu86 it makes it really awkward, again even as someone that doesn't completely hate that show, for it to be the only scooby thing we have coming down the pipeline whatsoever. It's like the franchise has fallen entirely to capitalism at that point, bankrupt of creativity more than it already was becoming. It's why I think telling the stories behind the scenes is a little bit more interesting currently
I think you've convinced me the first two were slightly stronger than initially thought, but the Happy Halloween has always been a banger for me it's cracked the fuck out in a good way
Does anyone else think Vincent Van Ghoul's rhyming narration over the 13th Ghost credits is an homage to Vincent Price's monologue in Michael Jackson's Thriller? It has the same meter and everything.
I pretty much binged the entirety of where are you this month just for fun and can confirm I still enjoy it with probably a lot to talk about someday 🤞
With Flimflam being a kid while Shaggy and Daphne were teens, what if he was 12 and they were 15? That would make him 15 to the 18 the gang is in the movie. As far as I've heard, they never had their ages said out loud anywhere, and as long as it was after the growth spurt, I don't see why the two couldn't have been just younger teens back then. 4 years is long enough for a preteen to become a grown teen, and preteens generally look like kids til they hit their growth spurt. Edit, realized they are 17-18, but i think it still works.
@@maymay5600 if it is indeed canon, than sure. Hearsay doesn't make proof, however, but I haven't watched the the 13 ghosts yet, so as far as I know, they might be.
Who agrees that Happy Halloween Scooby-Doo! is a major improvement over Scooby-Doo And The Curse Of The 13th Ghost & Scooby-Doo Return To Zombie Island?
I never watched these three in particular (but I'm all for Be Cool version of Daphne so I bet I would enjoy the last in the trilogy) so I'll keep my opinion neutral to be fair to them. What I don't get is the need to try to streamline the timeline for all of the scooby-doo movies/specials/series. I just figured a whole bunch of them just happened in an alternative universe. One universe where the ghosts are real, one where the ghosts are fake and the odd ones that just exist all on their own like The Reluctant Werewolf and such. Just seems easier to make sense of them that way to me. Anyway, looking forward to your next video!
I fully agree on the curse of the 13th ghost because it is super disappointing as a sequel. Because it is a great build up that a seires that specified that there's 13 ghost but only 12 was dealt with so there was always a opening for a big finale but curse just isn't a finale for that show. Really the issue was that conflicting ideas on if the monsters can be real because i totally understand wanting it to all be just people in a mask but there has been real monsters since at least the new scooby doo mysteries in 84 and it's fine to not want it to be the case for your own stories but you can't have a cake and ice cream, you can't have sequels to things where the monsters were clearly real and say "nah they weren't". Because they had shows like be cool scooby doo that to my knowledge didn't have a single real monster and was fantastic and then they had mystery inc which had a mixture for their mysteries which i enjoyed because it kept me guessing. I don't need everything to be real monsters and honestly for a tv show it doesn't always benefits to have them all be monsters because i thought what made mystery inc so good as a mystery was some cases was super obvious, some came out of nowhere, some was real monsters, others was just people and others you don't really know what it is because it seems to be real but there's inconsistencies. I liked the idea of a mockumentary of a old case and trying to scare the gang is a great idea but again this one especially wasd hurt by "you can't have real monsters" idea because to me it changes velma's character too much. Rather than the smart and level headed one she is obssessed with proving things isn't supernatural when she experienced it. Like sorry velma literally was lifted by a ghost in a scene i clearly remember was constantly in commercials so excusing things as swamp gas and shared delusions is just really dumb for her. I never saw velma as freaking out realizing that there is supernatural she instead wants to figure it out. The way i describe it is think cryptids, yes there's a lot of misinformation and mythology around it but there is still a chance that it can be real and a species we don't know of yet. We are constnatly finding new species and finding out species that was thought to have been extinct or isn't normally in a location is currently in that location. What i'm saying is velma wouldn't be like "there's no way a big cat would be here" she'd try to figure out why and learn "huh there's a small amount of big cats that moved and settled in this area that's intersting." rather than just deny everything people saw. She's not the scientist that just laughs off ideas until it's undoubtly proven and instead she's the scientist that would do test to figure out what's going on so her giving a lame cope explanation for her to feel better is just not the velma i imagine. For happy halloween I enjoyed elvira but it's just a odd movie. The car chase is odd, the scarecrow is odd and bill nye is just a odd choice. It makes me think that the story was going have batman instead of bill nye as a sort of sequel to scooby doo batman brave and the bold but i guess they stopped that because then they have to admit super powers exist so they might have real monsters and....yeah. But imagining batman gave them a new mystery machine, riding alongside them in the batmobile, and maybe have some things like shaggy and scooby riding a vehicle meant for robin would work. But just having the scarecrow from batman is really out of place and i don't think it does anything for the movie. I'm sure there's drafts where this movie would be great but it's just a mess of unusal ideas coming together that doesn't really fit.
your videos are always so engaging and well put together, and i really enjoyed everything new that i learned in this one!! it’s easy to get swept up in the general fan hatred of especially the first two movies in the trilogy, but as you said there are some fun elements (the mockumentary concept in return) and they aren’t unwatchable. disappointing is definitely a good word to use however, and i really hope the studio mandate of “no real supernatural elements” isn’t set in stone forever - not because scooby /needs/ the supernatural to be good, but because of the greater creative freedom it allows. thank you again for the great video!! :)
I watch the videos primarily for Daphne at this point, for Daphne X Fred secondarily and Scooby X Shaggy in third place. I love those guys and I especially love Daphne.... the writers seem to have missed the boat on Velma though. As you say, the ones in this "Trilogy" suffer from interference from the studios. And Daphne X Elvira is something special to me. I also really like Daphne in the 13 ghosts part and I don't miss Scrappy at all.
Since Curse of the 13th Ghost and Return to Zombie Island are both sequels to 2 sperate entries of the franchise, I consider these 2 movies, along with Happy Halloween Scooby Doo, as Scooby's Sequel Trilogy. And much like Star Wars Sequel Trilogy, WB had no clue what they were doing.
I love how, without taking Be Cool into account, Daphne's characterization in the last movie feels like she entered a fugue state or had a stroke or something
Honestly, the only one I liked was Happy Halloween Scooby-Doo, and even that movie was a missed opportunity that I wish wasn't connected to the two movies that came before it.
I'm going to say this about the 13 Ghost movie. I was excited for it, then I heard about what it was like and was then disinterested. But I'll be magnanimous to this movie and put the blame on what REALLY needed it. The show itself. 13 Ghosts, 13 episode order, they could TOTALLY have ended the series then and there in 13 episodes, keeping it to its own continuity. But they didn't. I don't know if they were promised another season that never happened, or they had the series end on a cliffhanger to blackmail the studio/network into another season. Or WORST of all, a mandate that the show not have an ending because kids are apparently too stupid to know when a show is out of production and gleefully watch all the reruns because they'll totally believe a new episode is hidden in there (as was the style at the time). But for whatever reason, they blew the opportunity for closure 30+ years before this movie had to happen. And I hate that about cartoons at the time. Sometimes you can get a soft ending if you're really REALLY lucky, but Captain N never came home, the Kidd Video kids never came home. TMNT had a soft ending in 10 seasons, but by then the show was so off the rails it didn't matter, but at least they sort of tied it into the pilot season. Face it. We're spoiled now with closure, and even those shows somehow come back and have even more closure. And for the movie, what was the point, then? Why connect the main canon to a non-canonical alternate universe series in the first place? It's not like they ran out of ideas, and if they didn't want it to be a follow up, why greenlight it? I know they want to placate the anti-Scrappy faction of the fanbase and pretend he never existed, but the original series was Scrappy at his best. Flim Flam was way more annoying than him, but he comes back.
I think A removing the supernatural is kinda lame cause if you make a series with a mix it can make it harder to solve the actual mystery and can be used in a lot of creative ways. Like the director I saw Daph as that too in 13 Ghosts as a kid (so I kinda had a crush on that version of her as a kid so I always push for this kinda Daph). I do personally hate this as an ending for 13 Ghosts and do kinda hope one day we get a more true ending (we won't but I can dream)
The last movie is insane and honestly I love it. Like, just the idea of a random batman villain showing up, Bill Nye inflicting himself on the main cast, and just the general unhinged nature of it is... astonishing. I honest to god wish we had more
I really appreciate how you were able to make sense of this wonky trilogy, give credit where due to the people who made them, and even find some aspects that are worth enjoying. The internet is drowning in zero-effort content pieces where people just bitch and moan, and with the first two movies taking such liberties, they're easy targets. But I'd much rather see someone find a positive spin to share. I never watched these, so this was a good way to get the gist in a quick recap. I have seen clips and I'll say that I like how they portrayed Film Flam as a grown up (or a guy with a growth spurt or... whatever). What I enjoy about Scooby-Doo is how these characters have been around so long that there's no longer a canon depiction of their personalities, just a template that different showrunners play around with. Daphne is no longer a damsel, here for example she's sometimes a thrill-seeker, sometimes she's zany, etc. and that's neat. I wish people would take more chances with Velma. Too often she's just a skeptic, and can come off as a know-it-all or even kind of a jerk (the Mindy Kaling iteration took this to the extreme 😬). I'd like to see her more in an Egon from Ghostbuster mold where she's genuinely interested in discovering proof of ghosts like how she was in A Pup Named Scooby Doo. Wouldn't that be fun?
... So I managed to dodge a bullet by still having Return to Zombie Island on my to-watch-list despite having the movie to watch... Also *Fuck yes* We've got one of em in our corner!!! #JUSTICEFORSCRAPPYDOO!!!
Had no idea those movies were connected. I didn't watch "Return to Zombie Island" because its very negative reception steered me away from it, i should honestly give it a chance tho. I really enjoyed "Curse of the 13th Ghost", i am only aware of the show, i perhaps watched some episodes on tv long time ago si i didn't really had big expectations. I feel this movie could do a little more, i was kinda let down that Flim Flam wasn't a bigger part of this, i kinda wish he will appear sometimes in future things similarly like Hex Girls appear from time to time. I think he woudl be great additional Mystery Gang member (in his original or aged up appearance, i think both are pretty neat) he not only brings some personality and skills that are neat addition to the rest of the gang but he also has his own main color that isn't used by any other member of the gang. And i absolutely love "Happy Halloween", this video made me realise this movie is kinda absurd with all those weird cameos and ideas but i think its very much a reason why i like this movie so much. Especially i love Scarecrow in this one, i like how this movie kinda accepted that Batman and Mystery Gang had so much history that Batman villain can just interact with the gang without Batman's involvement, and the fact they had this moment where they just did a Hannibal with him, amazing. I love me unhinged Daphne also, and for whatever reason they had Bill Nye there, the fact that they made him into a catboy in one scene was everything i needed from this cameo. Its such a wild ride depicting the gang dealing with really absurd situation and its so enterteining. Perhaps some day we will get a Scooby-Doo movie where it turns out Mystery Gang got their memories scrambled by some evil force and thats why they seem to not remember Scrappy . I could imagine this narration happening if we ever see the times where Scrappy will be redeemed
Scarecrow (Johnathon Crane) is my favorite comic book character. I absolutely loved his appearance in happy Halloween Scooby-Doo. This is one of the best representations of him that I have ever seen, so for that I love it.
Love him too! I have multiple figures of him around. As a Scooby lover, as well as a Scarecrow lover, I definitely don't mind him getting this type of attention
@@Scoobytopia That is so cool! I'm glad to hear that you are a fan of scarecrow. Just having him cross over with the Scooby series to this degree is great. I really love Scooby as a franchise and am always looking forward to the new entries or one that's new to me (an older movie, or show)
As someone who hated the supernatural ones, at least at first and still prefer the original formula, even I feel like removing that in sequels is one of the dumbest directions you could go.
finally got around to watching this and i enjoyed it! it was really good and i agreed with some of your points. “calm down Monster High!” is hilarious btw😭
Ya know this caused me to really reconsider how I think of Return to Zombie Island. It was the only one in this trilogy I really disliked but I may have been too hard on it
Great video as always, just wanted to ask (I know you probably already have plans for next videos etc.) but I would LIVE if you would do some ranking video of all films or monsters from some series or something like that.
30:42, Happy Halloween Scooby-Doo actually had 3 Hanna-Barbera References. Two People in the Crowd of the Parade dressed up as Dynomutt & Blue Falcon, there was a Frankenstein Jr. Parade Float (a nice reference to Frankenstein Junior and The Impossibles, and a random guy at the end was dressing up as Fred Flintstones. And I thought SCOOB! and Scooby-Doo: Mask of the Blue Falcon had references to classic Hanna-Barbera Cartoons. 😂😂😂😂
I was so vastly disappointed by Curse of the 13th Ghost. I was so looking forward to a satisfying conclusion when I heard about this movie but as soon as I saw that beginning I knew it would be a man in mask. Even the lack of Bogel and Weerd in the previews didn’t deter me. I was hopeful. Until that opening scene.
as a kid Thirteen Ghosts was honestly my favorite so when that movie came up I was like oh yes please still disappointed in it I did like Daphne cause I honestly liked her look and personality when Fred and Velma were gone so she is a highlight and while you do smooth down my dislike of that movie I still would love a true ending to the show not one strangled by higher-ups don't tease us
My ranking of the trilogy: 3. Return to Zombie Island (This one gives me a headache) 2. Happy Halloween (I don’t know how to feel about it) 1. Curse of the 13th Ghost (Not a good conclusion to the original series)
I’m still waiting for my boy scooby dumb to make a comeback in the movies. I gotta hear “a cluuuuuuuuue??? Dum dum dum duuuuuuummm” man I miss scooby dumb
As sequels and a trio, these films are not great, but if you ignore the fact that these films are supposed to be connected to each other and/or past series or films, they are actually really fun and engaging Scooby-Doo! movies.
13th Ghost was almost a really good film and nice conclusion to the show. Even Velma being made into an obnoxious denialist (something she never was before - realist yes, but not denialist) didn't ruin it for me. But then the STUPID twist ending that the ghost was just a guy in a mask (which also ruined the awesome opening scene) and the real ghost was a good guy just killed the whole thing for me.