SDG #283 A USB-C JBC C245 Soldering Iron

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0:00 Introduction
2:59 Handpiece Detail
4:34 User Interface and Menus
10:13 Calibration
13:06 A slight problem
14:43 Some Soldering
17:33 Conclusions
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@sdgelectronics Год назад

Only $2 for 5pcs 2 Layer & 4Layer PCBs, Get SMT Coupon Here :➡ jlcpcb.com/cyt JLCPCB 3D Printing Service starts at $1& Get $30 for New Registers Here: bit.ly/3vcjo1z C245 Soldering Iron on Aliexpress: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DcgFoPN

@jeffrey308 Год назад

I had to buy one just to mess with it. So with direct DC voltage it does actually power up with genuine JBC tips. I pushed the voltage to 24v, at which the current draw (using a C245-966 tip) was ~9A. So thats over 200W. This thing is an actual beast it seems. One more thing to note that wasn't mentioned in the vodeo I think is that the soldering iron properly sits into a JBC cradle (original or AiXun knock-off). Waiting for the follow-up video using direct DC voltage and the proper test PCB's to compare it to other stations/irons tho.

@thetooth Год назад

FYI: if you're trying to calibrate one of these, while you're in that menu and one of the calibration points are selected for editing the iron will ramp up to that set point so you can dial in the exact value without leaving the menu at all. However if you're like me you probably tried for ages before figuring that out while running off a 19V DC supply. This heats up the board to around 65C which seems to be beyond the linearity of the NTC used for reference, trying to calibrate like this will produce very unstable results. So first thing to do is not touch it for an hour and then on startup go to other adjust menu and set temp to the actual ambient temperature, then do the calibration at 12V starting from 100C and it will stay on the money until the NTC saturates, from my testing you drop 15C actual after 30 minutes operating at 320C.

@andymouse Год назад

I see your still enjoying your solder dispenser !....cheers and a Merry Christmas !

@bearbin Год назад

Did you check if the behaviour of it cutting out was related to the power supply you used? Perhaps some PD supplies will tolerate a short overcurrent while the tip warms up? If so, that would make it a lot more useful than otherwise.

@danandrei96 Год назад

my Pinecil will cut out when using the Apple 96W usb-c brick, but works no problem on the Apple 87W one. both genuine, but I guess the 96W is more sensitive to overcurrent

@HwAoRrDk Год назад

Yes, are you sure your power supply wasn't dropping out, Steve? When you had the JBC tip in, you could see the voltage reading fluctuating between 9, 10, 12V. I doubt that was intentional USB-PD voltage re-negotiation.

@sdgelectronics Год назад

@@HwAoRrDk It was a 96W supply, but it certainly could have been the power supply. I will check again with a DC psu.

@Benngha Год назад

@@sdgelectronics have you found the time to check? I am really looking forward to your tests

@imqqmi Год назад

Would be interesting to see how it performed on a 200w 20v psu, and if you could botch it to 24v to get the full 200w of power. Then it would be a cheap t3a replacement, though a good 24v 200w psu sets you back 40 euros as well, which comes close to the t3a price. To me a compact design would only make sense if it had a battery. I already have a t3a which is small enough to take with me or solder in less accessible places. Having to take a usbc powerbrick doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

@Gengh13 Год назад

If the architecture is similar to the pinecil, with shared Vin, the usb power delivery IC may not tolarate voltages higher than 21v.

@stalwartcomputers5182 Год назад

Have you tried 100-160W PD charge brick? Maybe it will accept 20v for JBC tips a little better?

@joepangit6938 Год назад

Very nice review Sir. I keep wondering about where in the AliExpress item description it says: "3. If the supplied current is sufficient, the maximum power corresponding to 13-20v is about 65-150w." If it can really do 150W via EPR or something, it will be incredibly powerful.

@DrHouse-zs9eb Год назад

what is EPR?

@joepangit6938 Год назад

@@DrHouse-zs9eb USB PD 3.1 (E)xtended (P)ower (R)ange. It's the new thing. Currently can do 140W, but 240W is on the way soon.

@rifatahmed4659 11 месяцев назад

Awesome 👍 Please review OSS/GVM T210 & T115 Stations.

@andreaslundstrom5743 Год назад

What solder do you use in the clip ?

@tinfever Год назад

Maybe they need to design it to support USB-C PPS so it can ramp the voltage to the max value possible without tripping over current, according to what the USB power supply reports it can supply? Or just PWM the tip at a high enough frequency like you suggest, so the power supply doesn't see the pulses?

@sdgelectronics Год назад

I'm sure they could ramp up the PWM and limit the power that way. Not sure what MCU it has in it, but it might be good if it was open source.

@brianwood5220 Год назад

@@sdgelectronics You never know Steve, it could be open source. May be worth taking apart and seeing if it would take a hack to get it fully working with the JBC tips. Looks a nice bit of kit though.

@MrAlllegro Год назад

Tell me, please, how easy it is to turn off the soldering iron. Where can I download a detailed manual for a soldering iron?

@thepowersource1602 Год назад

Please could you test the Sunshine C245 and retest the L245 with an unrestricted 20V DC supply?

@housinit Год назад

According to the instructions from the Aliexpress product page, it says when using the genuine JBC tips to use at USB-C to DC power adapter. At least that is what i'm understanding from the strange wording. I could be wrong, but I wonder if that would make it not reboot when using genuine JBC tips. I'm very interested in this little guy if it was able to use genuine tips reliably.

@sdgelectronics Год назад

I'll try it again with a DC supply

@jort93z Год назад

hmmm, could you not use a DC-DC powersupply and set it to 65 watts? Or just 20 volts.

@teslatrooper Год назад

With all the soldering stations you've tested which one do you use for day to day work? I'm trying to decide between an MX5200 and a JBC station, having to buy specific tips for lower temperatures seems like the biggest downside of the Metcal. Maybe I could just use the low temp tips for everything as I rarely set my current iron higher than 320 even with lead free solder, it's not calibrated though.

@sdgelectronics Год назад

MX-5200 is the best choice for most soldering tasks in my opinion. I rarely find a situation that needs a specifically low temperature, but if it's common for you then maybe the JBC.

@yngndrw. Год назад

I have an MX5200 and I don't change the temperature very much, I use a STTC-126 tip for pretty much everything from SMD to through hole. I sometimes switch to a larger tip for larger things but that's all really.

@FlyingShotsman Год назад

I agree with Steve and Andrew. I use an older Metcal PS2E-01 system, but it uses the same tips. I don't own any low-temp tips and haven't ever damaged a component. Just get in and get out quickly if you're soldering a sensitive part. The Metcal equipment is a joy to use. There's nothing to adjust or fiddle with; just pick your tip, turn it on, wait 7-8 seconds and start working. Tips last a long time and geometry choices are endless.

@jaro6985 Год назад

@@FlyingShotsman tips are also cheap compared to JBC, in NA, you can get them for $18 on amazon.

@FlyingShotsman Год назад

@@jaro6985 Indeed. I've also found a few of my favorites in good used condition on eBay for under $10 ea.

@tablatronix 3 месяца назад

I was just looking at these and I noticed new versions with dual power options with a dc jack also

@sdgelectronics 3 месяца назад

Thanks I will get hold of one

@tablatronix 3 месяца назад

@@sdgelectronics L245P

@jeffrey308 Год назад

Just an FYI: the same seller sells 5 different tip styles with this 6 ohms impedance. They sell it under the name "Customized Replacement Soldering Iron Tip Resistance 6 Ω for L245 Soldering Station Tools". All are knife or pointy tips tho :/

@joepangit6938 Год назад

I find it strange that Pinecil dropped it's normal TS100 tip 1.8 Ohm to 1.6 Ohm on it's new short tips to gain performance. And it worked! I don't understand getting any type of performance at 6 Ohm. I'm sure it's my lack of understanding.

@ameliabuns4058 Год назад

Wish it was 85w like the pinecil tho mines still amazing for my use at 65w

@DrHouse-zs9eb Год назад

The listing says "resistance of 245 heating core: 6.5 Ohm". Thats wrong - the original tip has like 2.9 Ohms. So thats the reason why its only compatible with knock off tips.

@rwils6333 Год назад

Is it possible PD charger can't support 150W at 20V. Can you try with DC supply for JBC tips

@joepangit6938 Год назад

The highest I've seen is 28V 5A which is 140w. But the USB spec for EPR using an e-mark cable goes up to 240W. So far I've seen 240W cables, but only supplies up to 140W.

@sdgelectronics Год назад

I will retest in a few days and post a video.

@ricka7187 Год назад

@SDG Electronics If you plan to retest this with a DC power supply, where will I be able to see you post the response? Do you plan to do a follow up video or pin a comment on this video? This portable soldering iron is really close to what I'm looking for and I need to order one pretty soon. I like that it can share tips w/ the T3B, has an all aluminum body, and the grip looks like the best option compared to the other soldering irons. Is the limitations of the power delivery something they could patch with a firmware update or is it a hardware limitation and do you know if you could install the open source firmware for the USB soldering irons onto this and if it was a firmware limitation could that bypass the issue? Lastly, In your opinion do you prefer the T101, T80P, Pinecil V2, or this one?

@sdgelectronics Год назад

I'll post another video. Hopefully in the next few days

@dreamcat4 Год назад

ah well shame it isnt very good. instead of that i have been ordering parts to try and mod my auxin t3a to accept usb pd 100w and also a direct dc input from powertool 18v battery. which i feel is best. already wrote up my findings on the t3a eevblog thread while still waiting for parts to arrive. of course another matter to consider is that the 100w usb c pd spec includes ocp as mandatory. and you dont want to have the supply triggering ocp and shutting down because the aixun is trying to draw too much current. which is the only obstacle potentially. and i need to do some further testing in those regards

@joepangit6938 Год назад

I built a power tool battery to USB adapter but I cheated. Used a cheap AliExpress buck converter to take a 40V Walmart Hart power tool battery down to 24V or so, then used a Baseus 160W USB PD car charger to output 100W. It works well. Using the $23 Ebay car charger is cheating, but it works good! :)

@reveal1693 Год назад

Is't possible to update firmware?

@johnshaw359 Год назад

Would be nice to see what a bench supply does. If you could cut up one of your USB-C leads in the name of science for me, I'd appreciate it.

@VoltageLP Год назад

Pinecil still the king?))

@JohnJones-oy3md Год назад

14:44 - I suspect he may have done this once or twice before, lads. ;)

@acoustic61 Год назад

I wonder why they didn't make it compatible with genuine JBC tips first? Making look-alike tips which have a different resistance is silly. Would be a PITA to use it the way it is. Is it better than any of the T12 compatible portables? Because T12 tips are way cheaper than JBC. I personally prefer 120V powered stations over portables.

@FlyingShotsman Год назад

Indeed. It would also be interesting to see what a genuine JBC station makes of the Chinese cartridges.

@sdgelectronics Год назад

I've got another T12 version on the way. The MiniWare is the best so far, but there were not many genuine cartridges available for it.

@tech29X Год назад

Can you try using a different power supply. USB-C power negotiation protocols seem to be in a state of big mess.

@TheEmbeddedHobbyist Год назад

Forgetting all the bench space or cupboard space! you must be running out Irons to review. 🙂

@sdgelectronics Год назад

Still got a few on the list!

@RM-en9gk Год назад

With a dc power supply it run at full power. This 45 dll awesome pen just became my primary micro soldering welder station, end up selling my expensive jbc and metcal in favour of this pen.

@Scrogan Год назад

Why USB-C? The 245 cartridges can handle 200W of power, they should use a beefy DC connector like an XT60 instead.

@joepangit6938 Год назад

USB C EPR spec now goes to 240W. The 240W cables are out now. Won't be long till the chargers come out for it. Hopefully most laptop chargers will just be USB C then.

@Scrogan Год назад

@Sunchip Dip not like you couldn’t just PWM 48V into the iron’s cartridge. I’d have to check the schematic to see if it’s USB-C PD receiver chip can actually do that.

@FlyingShotsman Год назад

Lots of Chinese soldering iron reviews, but I still don't see anything compelling. By the time you buy one of these Chinese irons, get a selection of usable tip geometries (that don't even work properly in this iron), buy a USB-C PD plug-pack to power it, and get a high quality USB-C cable for it, you've spent the same money as you would on a used Metcal PS2E-01 system from eBay. This thing has annoying menus and mediocre performance; the Metcal just works.

@sdgelectronics Год назад

That's why the Metcal is still my main iron. No fiddly menus, no usability issues, it just works!

@TomaszStachewicz Год назад

the killer feature is you can use usb-pd powerbank when travelling

@FlyingShotsman Год назад

@@TomaszStachewicz Yeah, that's true. I'm definitely not going to do that with a Metcal system! You've hit on the true use case for these Chinese USB irons: they're useful for remote work, away from your bench, with a power bank to run them. For everyday bench work, they'll never compete with a proper high quality soldering station from a top industry brand.

@acoustic61 Год назад

@@FlyingShotsman Exactly, All these half-assed clones of questionable quality and specs don't cut it for me. My tools need to work when I need them. I don't want to spend half a day trying to figure out why the tips aren't heating. I prefer a bench model that runs on line voltage too. I currently use Weller, Hakko, Pace and Metcal. Still using the old MX-500P-11. I just turn it on and it works. I still use Weller and Hakko with separate heater/tips because tips are cheap. I use them to pry when desoldering thru hole and old tube equipment.They serve the purpose and keep on going.

@joepangit6938 Год назад

A pinecil is $39, a 65W wall wart is $15. A 4 pack of additional tips on AE is $20. A 65W cable is $5. A killer 30,000 Mah 65W power bank "Baseus" is $65. Total is $144 for a awesome portable system. Is Metcal less than that?