Charles is finishing elites in 2nd or 3rd round. That's special. Doesn't matter if he loses in the future. His achievements are already hall of fame material.
@@ipods87 He's already the recordist of most finishes, most submissions and soon he'll break Cerone's record of most wins in the UFC. HOW is that not-hall of fame?
It is crazy when you look at his notable wins cause he has so many. That being said everyone knew if it went to the ground Dustin was in big trouble so I dont know what his plan is to fix it but he always comes back better from a loss, so Im still hoping for him, and he is undoubtedly still one of my favorite fighters.
@@scottmalcolm1974 You cant be a champ without beating the champ but you can still be one of the best fighters in one of the toughest divisions in the UFC. I didn't say he should be a champ I said he is one of my favorite fighters with a lot of notable wins. A lot of people care who you beat its not all about the belt unless you're just a casual.
@@scottmalcolm1974 well put the #15 ranked guy vs the #2 and chances are they get the beating of their life. There are levels to this game its not like basketball where you can get by with just hitting a shot or playing good defense
I want Dustin to be champ too, but imagine he makes a run again & guess who he gets to face this time…Makhachev. Sometimes great fighters just have shitty luck and LW is stacked full of killers who could be champ on any given day.
yeah its pretty insane dustin still has the most impressive record with the most notable wins at lightweight imo. if charles can get thru gaethje then it will be close
I was literally thinking that while watching the fight. After the first knee I saw Dustin become less forward pressing. Great tactic by Oliveira if that was the gameplan.
This narrative that Charles had his glove hooked is pissing me off. I’ve watched it over and over again. He had one grip then wrapped his hand around Dustins wrist, plus he had that arm with both legs. A fighter knows when their glove is hooked and they complain. Dustin still hasn’t said that was the case. Joe Rogan never should have said that. But to play devils advocate, if he did have the glove hooked it was for maybe a second or two. Does anyone honestly think that would have completely changed the outcome? Stop shitting on OLIVEIRA with that BS narrative.
Yes, any fighter, wrestler or mixed martial artist will tell you that 2-5 seconds could literally be the fight, and it was. He had ahold of it until Dustin decided to signal he was going to roll forwards. Oli then preemptively moves his left hand infront of Dustin's right leg to spin around into mount. He knew what he was doing. Oliveira would've never got that top mount. Point. Blank. Period. Half ass Omoplata, Charles was in PANIC MODE. It also can be chalked up as a bad habit formed in BJJ. Gi grabbing. Easy to be blinded by the good guy narrative. Which he is a good guy. I'm a fan of both of them, if it were Dustin who did it, I'd be saying the exact same thing. Nobody is safe from criticism just because you like them or they're your favorite fighter etc etc. You have to be UNBIASED. I find it funny how no one finds it unironic that in his last fight Dustin had his gloves held, then the very next fight the same thing. Oliveira saw Conor do it, and he just so happened to be about to be in the same position getting elbows dropped on him instead. It literally turned it around because Poirier is a dog in top mount. Oli would've done the same shit, pulled guard because Dustin's BJJ is good enough to maintain mount once he gets in it. Charles isn't Khabib or Chandler with enough explosive power to just brute out of it. Dudes been subbed by Pettis.
I was surprised how disrespected Oliveira was before the fight, people overlooking him. I had Charles as the Favourite going inn. And I hope people don't sleep on Do Bronx anymore.
@Nsnsndns Bsbsndns Well, when it comes to prediction I guess we’re based on what experts think. You can go around the block and ask everyone what they think about something they’re not experts, does that mean they have the most accurate opinion? If you have to bet based on someone’s opinion are you basing it on a random dude or someone who understands the game? I’m not saying that they can see the future but usually they’re pretty accurate.
Feel so bad for Dustin. The perfect example of how important timing is. He has beaten so many former champions and is 100% a championship level fighter himself, the stars just haven't aligned.
Yeah man I love Dustin he is a good guy and works so hard but just doesn't have luck on his side, I think he is going to be a gatekeeper. Even if he never gets the gold he is still Champ material in my eyes. It just can't work out for everyone unfortunately
If you watch dustin’s interview you’ll know he rather lose a round rather than giving up his neck looking back his fight with khabib he thought he could do differently coming to this fight. The threat was so real. But thing is with these elite bjj and grapplers they always have something different to do. Ground and pound, submission, and transitions to a better position. You won’t get to defend all those three especially if you don’t have the same ground game as them
Yeah I remember he said that, but that makes no sense at all. It's so weird. He was literally standing above him. He could have easily ripped out of that grip, and started playing a top game, throwing strikes downard. It's far more likely that he's going to get submitted going to the ground with Charles, which is exactly what he did. It's so weird.
@@Cornbreadddd incorrect, he held a position and didn't get submitted on the ground. He got submitted on his feet. Evidence indicates holding guard was safer.
Charles is a scary man. He went from being an only ground fighter, who would give up fairly easily if you hit him a bit. To a monster that will strike with you, and push through the pain of getting hit because he is so crafty once he has a hold of you. Even watch his matches in gi and no gi bjj matches and hes just as good when in mma.
@@rima7286 hmm he definately has the power to BUT the knock out shots are usually the quick shots you dont see, as opposed to the ones you do see unless, its just from brute strength. As far as tools to win, I dont think Justin has that. Once Charles has a hold of any of your body, you're in trouble and go in to defense mode. Justin just has the chance to KO, but Charles has submit from arms,legs,neck, and KO. Justin wasnt too much of an issue for Khabib. I think Charles' tougher matches would be the likes of Beneil or Islam. Beneil is more versatile all round. Has great ground knowledge, and durable. Islam is all that but far more aggressive. Would be interesting to see Charles handles being put in the infamous bottom position Islam puts everyone in.
@@supmikey123 hmmm but are u underestimating post-khabib justin? Theres no way justin will underestimate charles ground game in any way. Maybe im just a justin fan but i feel like with wrestling prep, he could overwhelm charles. I mean charles almost got stopped by chandler, and we saw what justins power did to chandlers face structure. On beneil yup you right, that would be soooooooo interesting and technical. Islam needs a couple more fights, dustin vs islam would be amazing but we'll see if diamonds wants to stay at 55.
@@rima7286 Oh im not underestimating Justin at all. The damage he put on Chandler was mainly because Chandler stood in front and chose to bang with Justin, the same way Justin stood there and chose to bang. It was just Justin that is more durable, because he did take a lot of shots aswel, his face just didnt wear the damage like Chandlers did. He is an All American so he definately has the credentials. But im not sure he has an aggressive style to combat Charles. Or he would have done that with Khabib aswel. I think he would be more wary and be ready to counter as opposed to attack. Beneil and Islam are fighting next, and i would assume the winner of that will fight for the title, and the loser will fight perhaps the loser of Justin v Charles. I would think Dustin fights Conor again at catchweight
@@supmikey123 great points! I have a feeling ill be rooting for justin while u root for charles, we'll see what happens. Either way neither of us are losing
I think everyone underestimates the danger of Oliveira's submissions, he's 3 subs ahead of *Maia*, mr backpack himself. Not rolling would give him another opportunity to come up the single leg against the fence where he could pursue a back attack. Poirier got put in worse positions every time he tried to improve his position against Khabib. He knows his own get up ability, and it's not clear who would be able to safely get up in open space against Oliveira(Makhachiev?). Whomever can is a rare dude.
Dustin did say he didn't feel any fingers in his gloves, but Dustin did get warning for it too when he was on his back 2nd round hooking his own glove to hold Oliveira.
It's called stupidity. He doesn't care if he suffers any kind of permanent damage. Either to his limbs or brain. He also specialized in bjj so there's that.
Charles said in a podcast that he had many problems with cutting weight in the previous division, he was struggling with compromised health.After he moved up, he also changed teams, he started to have better medical support and good muai Thay, tem vídeos no RU-vid dele lutando e vencendo especialistas de Jiu-jitsu.
yea it wasn't weird. he was dominated. dustin knew then he couldn't beat Oliveria. look on his face says it all. he had his heart snatched. i knew after that fight was over.
That’s true when you think about it. Every time Dustin has had a shot at the belt, he chokes. But in each case he’s actually being choked, but it’s all the same.
Charles has just turned into a beast His ground game abd clinch is fucking dangerous as anyone But his striking has improved soooo much abd its the variety of strikes His knees, angled hooks And then when he gets hold of u it's night night
I never thought Oliveira pulled the glove more pulling down on the joint that'd give a similar feeling especially if you feel helpless there...you'd want to say that, but Charles didn't, levels to this shit and his control in clinch and ground is top notch...got some nice strikes too he hits in the core areas not often but precisely so he can use that disadvantage later to his advantage.
Even if he did grab the glove it didn't affect the fight at all... it was ultimately Poirier's fault for rolling and getting himself caught. Oliveira didn't even force him to roll, but I think Poirier thought the situation was much more desperate than it really was.
@@sonicboom20078 so I’m not sure if you’re aware but the defense for omoplata is to roll out of it. Had oliveria not grab it Dustin would’ve pulled it out. Yeah he still would’ve got choked but that’s besides the point. Cheating is not champ shit in the words of Tony ferguson.
@@sonicboom20078 dustin had to carry charles's weight for the second round, had charles not held the glove illegally it sure could have been different i am just happy the finish didn't come in second round or it would have been really controversial
Dustin said before the fight that he would rather lose the round than give up his neck and that is why he pulled guard. He trained to hold Oliveira in full guard hoping the ref would stand them up. The crazy thing about Oliveira is that he can get your back while standing and that's exactly what he did. Oliveira was so underrated going into this fight and it will be the same when he fights Gaethje. People treated Dustin like he won back to back fights against a prime Conor McGregor while, at the same time, calling Conor a bum. And on top of all of it, they treated his last fight as though Dustin destroyed Conor when it was Conor's own offense that caused his leg to snap. Dustin is a great guy, but they do not go into the Octagon to compete to see who is the better person. You'd be better at picking a winner in a fight by simply picking the person Chael Sonnen thinks will lose. I love Poirier but that does not mean shit in this game.
Dustin is an amazing fighter but to see him become champ, it’s hard after two shots at the title. Regardless he’s gonna be top 5 for a while at 155 if he stays.
Wdym dustin is a bjj black belt and if u watch footage and interviews it shows dustin preparing for defensive grappling all camp. Charles is just a level ahead of everyone in bjj
Odd, sick feeling that only grew after Poirier tried rolling out of that takedown. Dustin was winning, really looked close to KOing Oliveira, and it looked like he thought rolling out of the takedown would go easily and it seemed premature at the time, almost playful? Ten seconds later it felt clear it was a brutal mistake and all his progress was going to get beat out of him. Really felt like he would've knocked Oliveira out if he didn't try that roll.
1. Dustin hurt Charles 2x in the first round, BUT he gassed out bc of Charles’ tempo and body strikes. Dustin really needed to finish it when he had Charles hurt. 2. Charles 💯 grabbed his glove BUT Dustin could’ve def pulled out of that. It looked like he was happy with catching a breather. 3. When Charles got him down in the 2nd, and Dustin was either too tired to fight his way to the feet, too overwhelmed to try or as he said wanted to ride it out and come back in the 3rd, I knew it was over fir Dustin. 4. Both are 2 of my fav fighters. I was so happy for Charles when he won the belt, especially against a dude who did t deserve a tithe shot. Dustin has been my fav fir a while, and the wins over Conor cemented it. By a hair I wanted Dustin to win, BUT I was still happy with the outcome bc both are humble, great guys who deserve everything they get.
Just a quick response to the glove grabbing, I thought that too when I saw the fight, but there is footage of a different camera angle that clearly shows that Oliveira did not grab the glove in an illegal manner!
It went exactly as I anticipated. I knew Dustin had to come out guns blazing and try to take him out first round for the win. And if He can’t he gonna try to pick him apart going the distance. But the flaw in that strategy is Charles has too many weapons and going the distance gives him too many opportunities to take you out. I had Charles winning in 3rd too by submission. I should of put the house on it.
If this was the gameplan, he f*** himself, there was no need to go "all in" in the first round. Why not strike comfortably and wait for openings ? He tired himself out, even if Charles had some knes in and stuff, but it's not like Charles got the better in the standup...
Dustin respected Oliveras ground game to much. He was hesitant and defensive. It was hard to watch frankly because i like dustin and seeing him fight like that was a bummer
Did he though? If he tried to get up or do something he may have been open to a submission. Then we would be saying he respected Oliveiras ground game too little. Who knows right?
that hurt to watch for sure, nobody hates dustin. but... tbh? this is Olivera, the man with the most submissions in the UFC with 20.. bro, that must be difficult af to not be hesitant and defensive lmfao
@@owens7945 Not better at all. He gets to fight another round and every round starts on the feet. Its losing 1 round vs losing the fight. Also if he managed to hug Oliveira enough the ref may have stood them up
Reading your comment I can see that you know zero about jiu-jitsu. A black belt since teen like Charles Oliveira can easily destroy you in a sec if you try to get up or change position. Poirier went for whatever he knew that was 100% chance that he have. Staying in a triangle like he did it would give Charles Oliveira 0% chance to do anything. Honestly he was smart, he knew himself that he gives up position and parts of his body to get submitted bc he doesn't know jiu-jitsu very well, he is not a submission guy. Trying to move on the floor with one of the best or the best jiu-jitsu guy alive is the worst thing to do.
dustin overlooked Oliveira big time. was already making plans to go up in weight after beating charles. big mistake. Oliveira broke hot sauce boy and snatched his heart.
I think it was the exact opposite. Throughout the week everyone was asking him if he was overlooking Oliveira and everytime he'd go above and beyond to explain that he wasn't. He seemed overly fearful of Ollie's bjj and froze in certain positions. If anything, he gave Charles too much respect.
@@saz2248 i don't disagree that he said those things too. but he did say he wanted to move up in weight after beating oliviera for the title. he flip flops his opinions all the time depending what mood he's in I guess.
Dustin said so himself that the glove grab is not why Charles got his back. He took the loss like a real man but everyone still wants to make excuses. Charles is just the better all around fighter and it probably helps that he is tall as hell and has really long arms
He is not that tall. He is as tall as khabib and smaller than gaetje, tony and hooker. He looks really tall in the fights cus of his posture fighting. He stays with a close and erect base cus he knows that if the opponent goes for the take down it is good for him
There’s not much you can do to stop an elite grappler. Charles has the most submissions in the ufc. I think there is something to be said for that, it really showed in the last fight. Islam is going to be really hard to stop too. Khamzat, too 😬
When Dustin was ragdolled by Khabib for 3 straight rounds, I believe that had an impact on his mind on how tough grapplers are and even thou he could've just pulled his arm out, that mental mindset Khabib put in his head made hin fear Oliveira more than he should have
@@Noctrl100 it kinda does. He literally said pre fight interview that he shouldve lost the round as oppose to the fight with Khabib. Thats why he stayed in guard because he was scared of getting subbed
When you're an amazing fighter but are stuck trying to get the belt from first the best wrestler and then the best bjj practitioner the sport has ever seen. 😩
I don't care if I am fanboy here but I am gonna say what I think. That's disgusting "never been champ" Dustin has had a great career, beaten the best of the best. Also given the fans amazing moments inside that cage. Dustin is a champion of life, with his foundation helping kids and people less fortunate. You're half the fighter and man, Dustin is he faces up to his losses like a man. You deny it and run away and hide. Dustin's legit you're just marketing tool for the UFC to connect to Generation Z. Dustin's got legacy, you don't.
what the fuck are you talking about did you even watch the clip? what an actual retarded comment sean literally only said good things about dustin said the same things you just commented???
@@meladgoat dustin literally beat max holloway when he was the featherweight champ top 3 pound for pound fighter on a 12 fight win streak when dustin beat him, which was for the interim LW title. He's also beat 3 former world champions not just beat them knocked them all out that's the dumbest statement you could make to say he's not great or champ material when he's beaten so many world champs.
you can tell after that 2nd round the look on dustins face. he knew it was over. and we all knew. the man was broken and had his heart snatched by the brazilian.
Wjen Sean is giving props to people and not playing up the undefeated thing hes A pretty likable fella hahaha . I get the gag amd still rooting for ya , undeniable talent for sure !
Yeah u gotta feel for him! Beat Connor twice a double Undisputed champ. Beat Alvarez an undisputed champ. Beat Pettis another undisputed champ. Beat Max twice who was the 145 king and another undisputed champ lol. Beat Gaejthe an interim champ monster about to be a two time contender. Only lost twice in the last five years and both times subbed for the belt. It’s all about timing. He deserved to hold an undisputed at one point.
Fighters evolve everytime, Masvidal didnt ended fighters and now he tries to, same goes for. Khabib. Charles didnt finish tony back then but Im sure he will know
I can't fucking stand headlock and chokes smh, anyone can wrap they're hands around someone's neck and squeeze and it's damn near impossible to get out of smh. Fuck I hate that shit.
Far from impossible to break free you just have to know how to do it, and to get the submission off is hard enough. You can also outlast a choke if the opponent doesn’t have the strength endurance to hold onto the choke long enough for you to pass out. Plenty of chokes have been broken free and pulling it off is very hard. Oliveira standing rear naked choke is a masterclass. All props to Dustin though I’m a huge Dustin fan.
@@stepbro3553 bruh u clearly need to understand what drop means He only dropped him to his knees with the hook N that too didn't sent oliveira to ground. He rolled to ground so that dustin can't connect with punches while he was on his knees
The biggest enemy of Charles is his weak chin , as he got rocked by both fighters and almost to lose both fights, so not sure for how long he can keep up defending the belt with that chin..
lol you don't get voted for the belt you win the belt and he ain't good enough to do. lol I bet dustin cares. good fighter not but champ material. stop the cop-out. he got washed
@@SeanOMalleyClips that's what I thought. I liked o malley... until he turned into a sore loser / clown. Maybe my mind will change after he fights someone relavent.
He should learn from those guys to accept defeat. He needs a rematch with Chito so he could shut the hell up about being undefeated after his paper legs gave out. So basically that's having a glass chin. I hoped that some of his opponents would realize that throwing leg kicks could end this guys career in an instant.
When people say dumb 💩 like “__________ is definitely going to beat ____________.” or “____________ has no chance of winning.” The Dustin Vs Charles fight is a great example that there are absolutely no “Definite’s” in MMA because anything can happen in a fight. It’s one thing to say that “I think so and so will beat so and so.” but to say ignorant 💩 (if your familiar with comment sections then you’ve seen idiots who say this stupid 💩 and get mad when you call them out for it) like “So and so will definitely beat so and so.” that’s just plain ignorant talk.
lol nobody wants to see a rematch. he doesn't deserve one. it will be the same thing. it wasn't a lucky knockout he got dominated and beat up. had his snatched out. we seen all we needed to see. next
Dustin stuck his ties in the fence against Conor ; regardless Oliveira is superior to Dustin and Dustin got the oxygen beat out of him with those knees in the first round.
Its sad and funny to think: DP had 2 title shots and he choked, by literrally getting choked. this sport is crazy and dark humor is a SOB. Hope he wins against nate,nuggets,tony,chandler to get back in the title picture
