Season Of Discovery Isn't What You Think It is 

Not clickbait. Verry well presented topics. Yes wow is toxic. Any mmo or multiplayer game outside of a 10 min Lobby que FPS is not going to be perfect. With everything you get for 15 dollars a month idk how players can complain. With all this content they could easily make you pay for it like a DLC. I would like to challenge everyone to find something they like in the game and be happy and if there is nothing we’ll that’s fine move on.

P1 was the best imo. The discovery aspect actually felt alive with somethings not being fully discovered for at least a week.

Damn, I just watched a 16 min video of nothing

Stopped playing in this phase 3. It’s so rushed at this point, it’s obvious they aren’t playing their own game. Had they done 1 incursion they would have seen that you get 5g per quest and level like crazy. Basically waiting for Classic +, even if it doesn’t ever come out.

I think most people are just annoyed it's.. not classic+! The seasonal aspect has its own limits. Classic + should be wow 2.0. Imo it should be its own game where the narrative slips back towards warcraft 1-2. Meaning no horde, and a shattered alliance.. more independent factions. Quest for venture co, or the Twilight council. Capture and hold pvp objectives like epl, but on a grander scale, 10+ factions fighting over each node. New instances, visual updates, and a balanced playstyle.

The reason I quit wow back in the day was because it got too bursty and less tactical- PvP. It’s 2-3 second burndowns and not fun for me. I’m out again.

Its sad becasue havent they lost a bunch of season devs? I would like to see the same dev team for P1 in charge of everything for lvl 60+ phases Its liek Blizzard put their A team on teh job from day 1 when the real meat of the game comes later.

IMO classic plus to me is like Turtle Wow. Balance the classes more, add new quests and quest hubs to the world for leveling, add new dungeons as well for lower levels and max levels. Give us more quality of life things...having to wait an hour for mail between my own characters in SoD? Cmon. Release things that were scrapped due to time constraints back in the day...flesh out the game to what it was supposed to be.

I didn’t start incursions until day two and I have to say as someone who works a ton being lvl 50 and having a bit of g in the bank for consumables has been so nice this phase. Guild was ready to tackle raid week one this phase and we had a blast. I get the complaints and it probably shouldn’t be as easy as it was but streamlining the leveling after many hours of us have done the 1-60 several times was really nice.

Phrase 3 has been fun. People who are just raid logging will not have gold for p4 when gear and enchants, etc really matter (the real end game). Hate them or like them, incursions is a great way to level and always max level gold farming! I am smashing incursions this phrase to farm that gold.

Amazing time last night discussing these things man. I really want the best for SOD and just hope in the end we can say it was all worth it. I truly think SOD has so much potential and we only need to keep vocalizing our issues with there team so they know were the community is coming from. Much luv y'all and lock it in as always 🔒

Wow that project epoch is crazy to see and very eye opening. Wonder what their budget is. Crazy that a multi-billion dollar company (blizzard) can’t do anything like this. Old school RuneScape is such a great example; the devs polls the community “should we put X in?” But they added brand new zones and content (Zeah & Varlamore recently) and its additions to the game. Doesn’t change anything and fits in so well. Truely embarrassing for blizzard that they put such a small amount of developers on these new projects and they’re so buggy, poorly designed and awful balancing, meanwhile a private server is doing a way more impressive job.

Yeah, sorry friend. But what you are doing here is some heavy cope. They are underfunded hence the budget is a joke. And on top they have to run two game modes (This and Cata). Thats fair. But the fact that Blizzard wants to save a buck and just farm subs is not the problem of the playerbase to solve. Hence why SoD has been dying ever since p1 ended. The effort put into SoD is minimal and a joke at this point. The whole "We will take our time balancing stuff" screams that they dont have time to address issues since they run Cata too. And when ever they sent these "Tell me what you want in the game" surveys, they never implement anything that was suggested. So its pure PR where they pretend to want answers and to be listening. In short, there is no budget and no real dev team. So naturally the game is getting repeated fixes and retail like endless farm like Incursions. At the same time the inflation is eating the game alive, and making sure more and more people quit since the only way to play is sleep in SoD or Swipe for gold. I also dont mean to sound condescending, and if I am wrong, I take it back. But you seem to be a very young guy, yet you keep repeating "This feels like the good old days". I am having a hard time seeing you playing WoW 15 years ago, when we had pride in Blizzard, and WoW was universally loved and respected. I will agree that there are more things WoW than ever before. But quantity does not mean quality. I think Plunderstorm alone proved that overnight. Blizzard is again not focusing on what their community wants, but are trying to catch the next big thing while being a near a decade behind the curve.

Many EU Guilds got destroyed by the Free server transfer, i really dont know what they are thinking its insane at this point

SOD has been a breath of fresh air, classic era reboot was amazing, got bored by WOTLK, when back to classic era but then it started to get stale. Sod has been great and im definitely going to continue playing

Incursions shouldn’t have been allowed to be the main xp earning path. I’m having trouble finding 5 man groups for SM which is a huge change.

I quit season of discovery on Dec 15th 2023 and I am so glad I didn't come back, very good points, I tried to tell people do not expect all golden glory from blizzard updating this game, people are on huge copium

I'm sure there is a niche crowd out there excited for Cataclysm but it feels like a pretty big oversite to take members from a team creating something new and amazing to... work on Retail lite? They have Microsoft backing them, why not pitch a permanent "Classic" (Everything after Wrath is half-baked Retail Fight me) Team. You only have one chance to create something new, why not make it the best possible version? Love, love, LOVE SoD and I would like to see it get the resources it deserves! That said, they are doing a pretty amazing job. There's honestly a few things I wish they would carry over to retail; tanking specs for some of the classes that should have had them all along, profession quests to unlock multiple specializations (Engineering) and last but certainly not least, the response time on fixing in game issues LoL! Keep killin it guys, S Tier content as always!! 🔥

Hot take 🔥 ⬇️ Blizzard needs to stop dividing the community with 100 versions of the game. #cancelretail and create a WOW2. New game, new engine. Take out allllllll the bullshit that’s been added over the decades and start fresh for everyone!

The biggest issue facing SoD is the players and their misplaced expectations. SoD is doing EXACTLY what it was announced to do. Give vanilla with classes that aren't worthless (which has succeeded), give raids to do along the way, which have all been fun, and test things out for the duration of the season. They never once said this was classic+, they never promised tons of quests and dungeons etc. People who expected more are just ruining it for themselves, and trying to convince everyone else that it sucks so they dont feel left out.

It's simple. They made the runes do too much damage.

The economy is completely fucked, and high level enchants and consumeables are out of reach for a broke blacksmith/miner like me. If you aren't running enchanting or alchemy, you won't see anything comparable. Also mages and hunters farming ST for thousands of gold.. I'M A BROKE BOY!

1) the #no changes died during the 2019-2020 experience when people realized that everyone wanted to stack warriors and some classes that technically had multiple specs couldn't leverage any of them because they were worthless in endgame content. 2) PVP has always been the bane of WoW. PVE always gets gimped because in order to make PVP viable they have to impact PVE playstyle which is really stupid but it has been this way since BC. 3) SoD has allowed every spec to be viable. Yes, its true our damage output is significantly higher but its also true that people can play the class they want how they want and then some. 4) Content wise, there is plenty of content to do. Classic Era has always been designed to be casual, its the private server community that has influence WB/full consumables as a mandate that has been the easiest version of the game require more time and effort than heroic raiding in retail.... 5) Inflation -> had gdkp's been banned in P1 and incursions be tuned gold wise then I believe we wouldve avoided the massive inflation going on. However, these have created a domino effect and gold sinks have only made it worse for the casual player.

Need one of the following: Arena, RBG, challenge mode dungeons, or something that gives motivation to "get better"

We've yet to see entirely new Dungeons, Raids and Battlegrounds, or Map Expansions of the Vanilla World in the form of new Zones. A majority of the runes brought in to the game are also just variations of abilities that existed in other versions of the game before. And everything feels extremely streamlined, which is not exactly classic in nature in the first place. Overall Season of Discovery is fun, but for many it's not what they imagined Classic+ to be, and I don't think in a good way. I know the Classic team has a lot on it's plate, but I think it's time to more heavily invest into the Classic+ idea and start delivering new original content and actually expand on Vanilla without leaving Azeroth. Season of Discovery feels very gimmicky in nature and I think the dev team really shot themselves in the foot by layering SoD on top of regular Vanilla, leaving them with fewer options to actually customize this version of the game. P4 really needs to deliver big if they want to keep the momentum going as it's slowly fading with each phase more rapidly descending into raidlogging mode.

SoD p1 was great. Take me back. The addition of perma world PvP griefing has ruined a ton of the game for me and others. We can’t really coordinate a big server transfer so we’re stuck. Dying over and over again, having our limited time wasted. Many will never play a PvP server again, it is simply a waste of time and not engaging in the slightest. BGs are at the very least balanced in head count, world PvP is just dweebs fighting asymmetrical battles.

I like to play wow solo questing. With the occasional group content, preferably small groups. Get too many people together and shit gets silly 🙄

Alt friendly: not anymore Puggable raid: not anymore Incursions: ??? Difficult for pugging the raid with little to no gear progression for casters and class imba making my guild ngaf lol

SoD has been great, all the way up to p3. The incursions killed it for me and some of my friends. I am now raid logging. Kinda sad to be honest, the incursions made it all a joke and the classic world means nothing anymore.

I know what it is to me, I seriously just want retail in classic mode I learnt that through playing SOD, I hate the grinds, I hate the raids but I love the old school slower classic style of gameplay. I was most happy this phase with the PVP gear which is all i want to get without all the bs, i want max lvl asap, I want to change talents whenever, I want to have a 1v1 duel arena, I want to play a bigger variety of bg's but I don't want to play retail because there is too much going on. I want to challenge dungeons with harder levels because when they are harder they are actually quite fun and I didn't even know I liked any dungeons until I started trying them at lower lvls making it really difficult trying to lvl faster. I am 40yrs old, this is what I like to do on my time off work, I justy want to play a game I really enjoy for pvp and end game content even though I hate raiding mainly because the seriousness is just too much when I just get bored trying to stay quite on the mic while we are being spoken to like we are in the army and they think every sec counts. Anyways that is my true hope for wow! TBH If they released a version where there was no leveling at all and everyone had the same gear on the same map but also with bg's and duel arena's that we could just run around waiting for queues fighting each other I would be so happy, just set gear, no crits and just straight up skill fights would make me a kid in a candy shop. I love the way you pvp with cc and all that side of wow I can't stand most leveling and pve

20 player raids killed SoD for many.

Classic + to me is modern version of vanilla wow. New 64 bit engine, new graphics, good view distance on nameplates etc all the mechanical upgrades of modern games but in the setting of vanilla wow.

we're doing 10x the damage a lvl 50 would in classic, but stil have relatively the SAME health. then the developers scratch their head like they needed to test that to know PvP would be broken and 1 global bursty? Lead Dev also posting about broken gold incursions will have "no affect" on economy going forward? meanwhile things are even more expensive than phase 6 of classic. TRUE there is postives, but also some REAL questionable decisions from the team that seem like easy fixes to majority of the community and they continue not to act. almost as if they dont actually know makes classic loved and popular or even play their own game.. This definitely isnt a Classic+. maybe a testing ground. maybe just grasping for straws and sub money though at this point.

My Ideal Classic+ is a well groomed, retail graphic overhauled version of Classic that has the quality of life of modern wow but the gameplay and feel of Classic-BC-Wotlk. Flex Raiding, Random Dungeon Finder, Instant Mail, Guild Banks, Balanced Classes/Races (Dwarf Shamans/Tauren Pally, Additional Races High/Blood Elves maybe goblins and Worgen.) Cata destroyed the world and I think Classic+ should mandala effect that the cataclysm never happened and can write new stories into the old zones. The Problem with SoD is that alot of people dont take it seriously because its seasonal, and then the Dev's do live beta testing on us that has long term consequences such as gold inflation it validates that style of thinking. I was hoping alot more of my Wrath Classic Buddys would have played SoD with me and I had no intention of Playing Cata because it was the expac that slowly turned the game downhill, I think Id rather give The War Within a try before Id play Cata.

MC w/ extra mechanics? thought that was called Season of Mastery lol

They hyper focused the GDKP and golf farming too much

8:25 who could have forseen shamans globaling people..

any word about the shaman nerfs YOU guys campaigned for? every spec of shaman except enhancement dps is trash now, including the tank spec. thanks guys.

The economic issues brought forth by balance issues like Incursions on release, or hunters STILL farming new raid content solo, or rampant gold buying are making me consider quitting the game

This version of the game burned out quick. It was always going to happen, unfortunately.

Phase I was a blast; it felt like vanilla/classic, all dungeons were relevant, doing high lvl quests to get “bis” was fun, easy to have multiple alt, etc. P2 and P3 has been grinding to get gold to be able to raid

Incursions just straight ruined phase 3 imo

Season 1 was honestly the only season I enjoyed. Everything else in other seasons just got exploited and ruined. AOE farming STV, looping incursions. Game became unfun fast.

they should take the old school runescape approach and release a fresh classic server, then poll the community on all major updates so they actually know what their playerbase wants

It is unreal how SOD vs private serves is no comparison. It’s as if SOD is being developed by 3 people. The runes are not that amazing. They actually suck.

So many people are asking for TBC era now

100% quit after loving SOD after the absolute fuck up after the launch. Was unable to play and everyone I knew had multiple 50’s and 1000’s of gold over a 3 day period.

loving SOD so far for the gameplay. However, for me, classic wow was about the world, questing, exploring the different towns and settlements and losing myself in the world. It feels like a huge missed opportunity that we got incursions and new dungeon loot instead of many many new quests and quest hubs in the open world, filling some unused space with new stories and characters. SOD feels more focused on gameplay and gamey mechanics that incentivize min maxing, parsing culture and performance instead of leaning into the elements that made classic so enjoyable. In my mind classic + is hundreds of new quests with new dungeons/raids but the focus being the open world and quests. If blizzard spent this time in SOD creating class balance, new dungeons and raids and getting every class playing well then, next season, took the exact same balance they struck in SOD and made hundreds of new quests and added new 5m dungeons along the way…. That would be lightning in a bottle.

Is a lot of people in the room with us now?

Inflation happened for one. They gave out to much free/easy Gold. They made a decent raid and then nerfed it one too many times, With 7 days to clear it. people (my guild included) are clearing it sub one hour 3 lock outs in. They did not account for the degenerate behavior with incursion Ganking. If it was meant for PVP there should of been PVP objectives or put the PVP part of it on a 3 hour timer similar to the other 2 PVP zones and other times make it PVP flagged off. These are really the thing that hurts SOD.

Help me phase 4… you’re my only hope… Make SoD great again!!

SoD was never Classic +, it was just a new seasonal server to give players a chance to experience Vanilla in a new way. With that said, Blizzard needs to capitalize on this momentum, take what they learned from SoD, and give us C+

Personally, I've had so much fun with SoD. Yes, SoD is flawed, but the number 1 thing that holds players back from having fun is themselves. I run around the world and quest, I full clear dungeons even if I don't need to. I farm my own mats instead of buying them on the AH. And it's been a blast. You don't have to spam incursions until you're burnt out, and you don't have to buy everything off the AH only to complain about the prices. You can play the game. And if you do, it is very fun.

I’m totally with you, it’s been great and I’m loving it. This phase has a lot of content compared to last phase. However, as you said “have fun with your friends” this has been getting harder and harder with my friends all quitting due to 20 man roster boss killing our guild :/

I kinda disagree with saying Sod is a casual way to play vanilla. There is nothing casual about the way I had to grind crates phase 1, ashenvale/wsg rep and deal with pre-mades.

SOD Started really good! Then it turned into how could they make WoW Classic play like later versions of WoW. I expected new dungeons or different leveling content. P1 was great! P2 was meh. P3 got ruined by incursions and I'm not too hopeful P4 will be worth the time investment. Just my opinion as a 38 year old family guy with 2-4 hours to play every other day.

If I were to play shaman, I wouldn't understand either why other people hate the game...

Totally clickbait. The same s*** this guy has said 100 times before in other videos

I see the pattern of release and I got bored. Who cares about a raid before 60 I just wanted to pvp and have fun but even that is busted

Didn’t even hit 50 got bored at 46 of spammin incursions. Watching people clear a 7 day raid in 40 minutes is lame. The questing is whack and pointless since incursions even after nerfs are the fastest. Runes are reused abilities from every other expansion with maybe one or 2 exceptions… patiently waiting for classic +. If not o well. I think my wow days are done. Hoping a new MMO comes soon

Yo try leveling an alt now that incursions are “fixed”. Not only do you get less xp per quest, you also have to deal with getting oneshot by groups of 50s camping there since blood moon honor was nerfed, this is now the best way to farm honor.

I look at it this way. Imagine you go to a to a dinner and order a sandwich. They give you a Cheese Burger. Everyone loves this and asks for "More of the Same" Plz. This is the essence of a Classic+ Request. It is a "We like this. More of the Same Plz". Now imagine a Blizzard that comes back with a Grilled Cheese Sandwich vs a Blizzard that comes back with a Double Cheese Burger or a Baconator. You are going to get different responses. SoD = Closer to the Grilled Cheese approach, where they are actively removing elements of the burger will all liked. Leveling difficulty comes to mind. The Private Server example you gave is closer to the Double Cheese Burger approach... giving you more of what you liked and taking nothing away. The great TRICK to improving upon an MMORPG like Classic WoW is to 1. Refuse to take anything anyone likes away. 2. Make changes people want in ways that do not harm or effect other elements of the game. AKA to be "Smarter then the Problem". For example: Problem: Boomkin and Ret Paladin suffer in Classic Raiding. Solution: Buff their abilities while in instant content but keep them the same otherwise. This avoids PvP issues, open world issues, leveling issues and soon. Problem: Leveling takes to long and I only have 2 hours a day to play. Solution: GREATLY increase the speed of rested XP for 1 character per account, per day to something silly 2 levels of rested XP in 20 hours or Rest time. This would effectively DOUBLE leveling speed for AFKers. But does very little for more serious players. And even at at x2 pace, classic WoW leveling is still a journey to say the least. In short: Changes are fine. But do your BEST to keep the Cheese Burger a Cheese Burger. And be smarter then the problem. IF you are game designing for Classic WoW... the phrase "you know what would be fun?" should NOT be part of your vocabulary. You are in essence a CHEF in a KITCHEN who has just received an order for "More of the Same Plz". Your Reaction should be "What did they like about what I just did and how can I give them more of it" not "you know what would be fun?" because that's how my cheese burger turns into a shrimp salad.

I wish they would just make a separate PVP version of wow with limited PVE content and vise versa. PVE could be a lot more interesting if they weren't constantly trying to balance abilities around PVP content. Players like feeling OP. Give us some OP toys to play with in PVE and not worry about how it could impact PVP content. Also, it was never a good feeling seeing hybrid classes do more damage than me while also bringing more utility. If your class brings utility, you shouldn't be out dpsing classes that only bring dps. That's not to say that hybrid classes should be leagues behind the pure dps classes, but they shouldn't be above them. I think it's fine having tanks and healers fill specific rolls but I do see how it could be frustrating in some instances. Warrior tanks typically filled the roll as MT in raids but they would cry at the pally tank that could hold threat on 20mobs. Holy pallies were the best single target healer where druids/Hpriest typically weren't as strong at it but could raid heal better than the pally could. I think it's more interesting having specific roles in a raid but it also comes with the downside of "needing" a specific class/role to complete the raid. I'm kinda open to every tank can do all of the tanking things and all healers can be good at all the healing things just so that the game can run more smooth, but I also think that takes away from the class identity. /shrug SOD is fun if you go into it knowing it is a melting pot of ideas. Better to have ideas tested in SOD before making a real classic+ so that they can make classic+ the best version of what it can be. People need to be more flexible with SOD. It's just a huge testing grounds that we get to be a part of. Which I think is pretty cool.

5 man's and dungeons should be more of a focus then a new raid in which stems all the economy, looting, raid logging problems. I would much rather be able to go through dungeons or good 5 man content / quests with my core group instead of needing to rely on wandering the pug wastelands. Have the raids sure, but don't scale the game around a massive wpvp event and a raid. Remember the little things and the intimate ones. Raiding with a guild is fantastic, yes. But servers swarming with pugs and maxing out in a raid isn't the full essence of classic. The new quests were great, getting us out in the world has been handled well. The zones in which they are doing things has been what we wanted to see. But I agree this is a test for Blizzard to figure out how to conjure the formula again. My idea is aim smaller. Good quests and world content to grind so wpvp happens naturally and make 5 man dungeons more the thing to do with your friends, beef them up. Also the slow tuning on pvp is why my whole crew left.

I think sod has been great, sure some issues. The developers even said themself that sod is experimental and they wanted to see what stuck. I think ppl are complaining way too much and dont credit the developers for trying something radical. The ppl that expected classic+ from sod was all in their head

When I started trying to level up in phase 3, I noticed that open world questing was.. much more empty. Yeah phase 1 and 2 had a lot of people standing around waiting on things to spawn which was a problem itself (and has solutions like allowing all people that tag a named mob to get kill credit, don't know why they seem so against going back and implementing that), but to go from "there's so many people here" to "where the hell is everyone?" in phase 3 was a real shock. Then I figured out they're all in incursions. I go there to check it out and found that yeah, you'd be dumb to not be leveling in incursions because you just get so much more xp and gold for it, but it's just doing the same set of quests over and over and over and over and over again. I realized that.. this wasn't what I was looking for. I do not like the idea of a WoW where the defacto way to level and grind gold is to repeatedly spam the same small set of fetch/kill/escort quests, just didn't feel right. And yeah, I know the rest of the game is fetch/kill/escort quests, but they go along with a story that progresses as you do them and there's a sense of completion when you get to the end of that story in that area and move on to the next. Incursions is missing that, felt like running in a circle just for the sake of running in a circle.

Sod getting worse with each phase

Phase 1 will always have a special place on my heart i quit the game because i had enough...

There is a reason people play classic, and blizzard has totally overlooked that. This is season of early access. They don't know what they are doing. They made the old content that we enjoy playing completely useless. "Upgrading professions" = adding one OP epic in each one wow so exciting >.> They put up barriers so we can't discover how far we can push into dungeons. Can't get in BRS until im lvl 45 even though im lvl 50. Holding back content saving it for the next phase is a joke. lvling from 40-50 in a few hours, all dungeons are completely useless, making us grind 1 boss in a dungeon. No point in doing any content from past phases because you can get to 50 in a week. Grind new incursion garbage content or one boss in a dungeon 30 times. The world pvp being better with the horde/alliance balancing attempt is the only thing they did right. They ruin the past phase with every new phase. They clearly are not listening to content creators with popular opinions, whoever thought of the incursion event needs to be executed. The player base is pissed because we keep getting hooked. Im playing until july when my subscription expires. Killing gnomes until then.

10:14 yea why does the SoD people need to work on cathaclism classic? Put other people on it why take apart the golden goose? Sounds like a self made problem to me , that they dont have anymore enuph people for SoD.

Can't wait to lose SoD players to you straight up advertising epoch lmao. How much did they pay you?

unfortunately sod doesnt feel casual at all, with 99% of players pick and choosing only the best people to run sunken temple with. Its nearly impossible to raid if you dont have a guild which i think is pretty awful.

easy fix blizzard should just use a polling system and let the playbase vote on what changes they want to sod.

Clickbait!! but I agree. I don’t play anymore and wait for a real permanent Classic Plus someday.

Blizzard just keeps dropping the ball it's a company that's more worried about people being scared of spiders instead of bettering their game. They basically just let pvp die straight out. Yes they have alot of work going on but that's their fault they are dipping their hands in multiple cookie jars. Them asking us what we want is a joke we have been telling them for 10 years plus lol

SoD is really failing to hold my attention. I wish dungeon gear felt more required, but it's almost completely irrelevant. And Sunken Temple raid gear is barely an upgrade over existing Gnomer gear. I want to have reasons to play the game other than leveling alts or doing PvP, but at this point I'm already raid logging.

“Every player out there doesn’t really care to see nightmare incursions be the main source of leveling up” except they did it, sadly… we can speculate all we want about how the players want a good, fun, long, fulfilling leveling experience… but you know what I saw for the entire first week of phase 3? “(role + class) LFG incursions.” SOOOO much. Wow players are masters of min-maxing the fun out of the game.

Sod is classic retail, it's not very fun

SoD isn't Classic+ sorry to burst everyones bubble... it's the Beta of what Classic+ could be, that's why we need to push this so we can get that Classic+ perma server like Era, HC, etc...

I speculate phase 1 felt like the best because the blizzard team working on it probably had a lot more time put into the creation of the content. They probably didn't have any ideas for how they wanted phase 2 or phase 3 to look like at the release of P1 so they simply did not have enough time to play with for developing those new phases and stuff just got kind of rushed from that point forward

p3 last nail on the coffin for sure. many quit playing ppl wait for p4 but as we see no new dungeon zone no new raid( dungeon raids are not raid) 1 new prof item for per phase res is meaningless gold become meaningless green items are meaningless this is not classic nor classic plus this is worse .

Hey Dude! Been watching your content on and off, SoD is not at all what I expected or what I think a majority of us wanted. Blizzard would have legit just printed stacks of money if they released 1-60 fresh with a massive exp boost, minor balancing at 60, and work heavily on new raids that were left out on the initial release. It's a tough spot because, community projects with less than a percentage of the funding/resources blizzard has are dominating on that aspect so I really don't buy they can't do that. I think a lot of SoD is fun, but I really don't think this what any of us expected. I remember when it was announced I said out loud, "who the fuck actually asked for healer mage and tank rogue?". They very clearly bought into the Vanilla hype from the Summer, it really doesn't seem like they have an actual idea of what to do. If we don't get phased content at 60 or they do something really stupid to make all the content at 60 irrelevant outside of raid it'll be a huge loss.

SOD doesn’t feel casual. 20m raids, loot management, messed up economy, tons of mechanics. I can’t play with many of my friends because the skill floor is rising. Leveling is being negated. It’s just retail now. No more gdkp to pickup a pug raid. At least 5m loot is getting some love

Unpopular opinion here I guess but I think p3 has been the best yet. Am I saying there is no problems? Of course not. Lv50 classes feel better than ever, Sunken Temple is the first REAL raid in SoD. The other 2 felt like big dungeons. I think phase 4 will be even better again.

I have loved Sod so far. the only thing that bothers me is the free character transfer off of the pvp realms its made the two pvp realms which were 2nd and 3rd highest pop to medium pop servers and the realms just feel pretty dead half of the groups and auctions forming

SOD is a ploy to make people move to retail. Give everyone a bunch of power, new spells, and then maybe, just maybe, they'll move to retail. Instead of going back to Classic where the players dont have their new powers. It flopped. Big time!

In my opinion here is what I think of WoW SOD at the moment: 1. Blood Moon - Although I'm now not a big fan of this event, I did at first enjoy the thought of this. Died way too much and staying with groups can be challenging after someone dies. 2. Incursions - Not a huge fan since we have dungeons and quests already. Why not just add these rewards to running current dungeons? Too much forced PvE content. 3. Wild Offerings - Would have liked this more if they included the Incursion rewards in this too and just removed Incursions. 4. Instance Running - Enjoying this a lot. Much better to play these in a Guild. 5. Warsong Gulch - They need to have a "Solo" que! When running these "Solo" prepare to lose to many, many "Pre-Made" groups. 6. Rune Hunting - Enjoyed obtaining most of my runes, but some runes take way too much time and make it feel very tedious, especially if running multiple characters. 7. Professions - I do like professions. I do enjoy leveling them up and earning more out of them as they progress. 8. Waylaid Supplies - These are a great addition. Not only do players usually benefit from lots of gold, but players also will eventually unlock rewards that can benefit both main character and alt characters. 9. Reputation Farming - Can be fun depending on what reputation farm I'm going for. Seems almost pointless to farm all reputations, but I enjoy farming these for gear, especially with bonus weekly/daily rep bonus rewards. 10. Looking for Group Auto Fill- I really wish they had a "Looking for Group Auto Fill" option. They could add this for PvP, Dungeons, Instances, etc. Auto fill groups with a Looking for Group auto fill option. 11. BIS Gear Farming - I enjoy obtaining my BIS Gear from the many different "to dos" in the game. I enjoy both PvP and PvE and rewards for BIS items usually involve doing everything that the game has to offer. Yes I don't always enjoy everything on the "to dos", but for the most part I enjoy variety and I think it's great that I need to do many different things to get my Max BIS Character.

Classic+ simply means no changes to what so ever. No balancing and no fricking 3rd party system nobody wants. It‘s just about extra raids and extra items that comes with the raids. Maybe some dungeons and *NOTHING* more. Is it so hard?? Yes?? Maybe you should quit your f***ing job. In what world are we living in… 🤦‍♂️

I'm enjoying classic+ private servers immensely. Turtle WoW is currently #1 and has done a phenomenal job at creating blizz-like custom zones, raids, class tuning and other content features. Currently anticipating the Project Epoch server, as it look very promising (dwarf shamans and undead paladins etc). SoD had a really amazing first phase, but it got boring quickly after reaching level cap and coming to the same conclusion as the title of this video. SoD is definitely NOT classic+, and as you said, just casual way of enjoying classic WoW without feeling rushed or pressured to hit max level.

Playing sod = paying blizz for the privilege of being a beta tester. Unfortunately, the lack of any internal testing just ruined P3 from the start. I hope you're right about Classic+

A nebulous term and inability to manage expectations. You could argue the managing expectations part is partly on Blizz's side, but primarily on the shoulders of people angry with the game. They've had their own, personalized idea of what C+ means for long before SoD was announced. And at this point if they are also incapable of flexibility, there isn't a studio on this Earth capable of pleasing them. If they decide "hey, this just isn't it for me" and quit, that's fine. If they share constructive feedback (like this video), that is fine. But the toxicity (a term I rarely feel is warranted) from the community is out of fucking control. It's definitely made the classicwow subreddit completely unusable at this point, whereas before it was only partially unusable. To put it shortly, some of y'all need Jesus. Also, "this year's Blizzcon" Oof, lol.

Loved p1. Did not like p2, I unsubbed after exalted defilers and a couple gnomer runs. Worst PvP in any iteration of WoW by far. Followed reddit closely when p3 went live to see if I wanted to come back and play and than I saw that Blizzard themselves thrashed the in game economy in a few hours after months of 'battling the bots for the economy'. Havn't come back yet. I wish I could transfer my SoD character to classic.

What if SoD was too good and started to kill revenue from Retail players switching to SoD and as a result Blizzard/Microsoft made silent moves behind the scenes to kill the seasonal game mode after it got a lot of people back? Plunderstorm got us to install Retail during SoD, sloppy releases between P2 and P3, and spells that come mostly from wotlk/cata/dragonflight, it makes me wonder if they decided that P1 SoD was simply too good and they had to capitalize off the playerbase/stop the cannibalization of revenue from retail players and work to actively slowly kill the game mode while those players transition to cata/retail. IDK about yall but Cata is now Hyped with SoD sucking as opposed to just not being hyped at all. If SoD did cost Blizz $ from a player cannibalization standpoint with the cash shop not being able to sell some people anymore then it'd make sense for their shareholders to put them before their players and get us to switch to Plunder in time and Retail or cata and stop with this classic+ idea that is basically just cata anyways, THEY ARENT but content wise it kind of is.

As someone who plays hunter and paladin. I love divine storm and seal of martyrdom and explosive shot, but giving us a flat 18% increased crit to holy spells, or hunter's heart of the lion as a whole is stupid. I and I'm sure many more never wanted classes to just deal more damage, we just wanted quality of life like removing hunter's dead zone. Warlocks' soul shards being stackable. Or at least that was what I was expecting from SoD. Also, Having runes be obtained by far out places in places who fucking cares where no one typically goes to. I wanted some new or fill in the gaps lore with runes that you'd get while questing. Like obtained from quest givers or dropped from bosses that you need to kill while on the dungeon quest. For example, hunters get their runes from Houndmaster Lowksey, Warlocks get their runes from kelris, Warriors get their runes from armory, and paladins get their runes from mograine. In classic, getting your first blue is so awesome, and wanted getting a rune to feel the same, but that isn't the way it is for me. It just feels tedious and boring. Also, opening areas like hyjal was something a lot of people talked about for this SoD before it even came out. How asmongold talked about Hyjal, a BRD Raid, and SM Raid. I don't know, I think im just ranting at this point lol. Overall, I think Blizzard just dropped the ball. Atleast this is seasonal so the devs can learn and give us an actually good classic+ imo. I would love to hear someone else's differing opinions to this.

Not fun from 40-50. You feel you obtained nothing. If it's not time consuming to level in wow classic, you dont feel like your character mean anything. I would like classic+ with max 1-2 extra abilities per class. Now it just feels like retail. Paladins should get crusader strike, and thats about it, then they are happy. Or for boomkins to get a little better mana regen, or buff starfire a bit. We dont need 10 new retail abilities to have fun.

I unsubbed after doing lvl 40-50 in 5 hours of incursion. What a dumbass mechanic decision. Why make it spammable ? Wow classic was about leveling in the open world, exploring, meeting other players.... It has been said for 20 years now ??

also when you say content feels difficult. no it didnt. sure classic wow is more punishing. long run backs. long spawns, lots of grinds. but i started playing sod before s2 came out and i had zero issues, and i was 40 in no time, 50 quick too. i murdered by way through the game with zero effort. wow was never hard or challanging. especially the raids back then if you had 30% of your raid actually doing stuff. people that look at romantically the way classic is. need to take a step back. and despite it being the best mmo ever. it treats players like trash. and nightmare incursions thankfully made leveling bareable. didnt ruin the experience for me. it woulda been an extra 3 to 5 days to level. the leveling in classic is TRASH, quests so spread out.

Season of Discovery should emphasis the discovery bit for me. I'd really like for them to find interesting repeatable mechanics for each class to engage a world we're familiar with in a new way. The first 20 levels of this experience is already exactly what I wanted. But it feels like they got lazy and dropped the ball. I feel like I'm being hit over the head with a stick for doing anything other than googling the answers and mindlessly grinding everything until I can do what sims tell me to do or just accepting I'm useless. Like literally every other version of wow, basically.

SoD is dead. #FIREAGGREND. He's incompetent, retail-minded, and only focusing on his and his friends' classes. Otherwise SOMEONE on that socially inept team would have caught the easily spotted issue of Mangle/Lacerate during the phase the skills were released...

"constant class updates" did u forget the 2 month phase 2 radio silence..? I think all of this is copium, they need more developers to make something better than this. Having the team split between cata / SoD / whatever else they're working on will always leave us with half-baked updates. Just my 2 cents.