Second Doctor Regenerates | The War Games | Doctor Who | BBC Studios 

Imagine the Cry of Fans if the Main Character Survived or Not.

Conrado Javier He survived.. Didn’t u listened? He was sent into exile with a new face lmao OFC he survived

@@GLBizzie I meant had it been Cancelled.

If Dr Who had been cancelled after this episode we would have lost every subsequent Dr starting with Jon Pertwee ETC I was born in 1969 2 months before this episode was broadcast and I would never have seen Dr Who I grew up with Tom Baker as Dr Who and when Dr Who was cancelled in 1989 the year I turned 20 I was well and truly hacked off and IMO Dr Who has not really returned even since 2005 with Chris Eccleston and every actor since to me Dr Who is sadly dead and gone

EloimFizzy - you should check out the ending of Sapphire And Steel - it's actually been compared to how the ending of The War Games pt10 would have seemed had that been the last ever episode.

Which is why I hate The Time Lords.

I Agree

lex videos Eight died with the spaceship crash. He was briefly revived by the Sisters of Karn to artificially modify his regeneration into the War Doctor. Nothing forced there

Nedyah74 "Forced" is a very kind word here... its really the Doctor's second life being executed.

And people say 10th's is the saddest. Lol.

That's why it's well into the 4th Doctor's run, before it seemed like he'd actually moved past his anger at the timelords.

That’s true because as every Doctor dies, his personality dies too and is replaced by another so yeah the Second Doctor was given a death sentence.

Going off of more recent episodes, death on Gallifrey is treated more as a case of "man flu". And while the Doctor's obviously not going to see it that way, he's never exactly meshed well with Gallifreyan society. Hell, even his first and most Time Lord-y incarnation saw fit to hijack a TARDIS and bail.

Gavin Lafferty pfft, “Exile”

Kaagh178 so, originally its change in appearance, not having a part of a time lord die?

They weren't disposed of they were stolen from the archives

@@MichaelM28 yeah they were wiped or destroyed. Any news yet I'm in finding any other episodes? Haven't really heard anything since 2013

*just under half of his episodes. It's sad enough that so many of his episodes no longer exist, so there's no need for hyperbole.

@@Mrazmatmahmood People didn’t see the value of archiving them. Lots of old TV series or serials are gone.

I honestly don't blame that. We were in the early years of media back then but a lot of media was disposed of because it was much more difficult/expensive to maintain and store them, at least what I've been told (well how it was explained when I looked it up). I've also been told the BBC at least kept all the audio recordings from every Doctor Who episode which is something. It is a pity how difficult it is to just have ALL of Doctor Who in one place especially when you're me and have just recently (well, 2 - 4 years ago) gotten really into and are trying to find everything to consume.

He already is my favorite Doctor.

jack reynolds because it was forced. the second didn't die, was somewhat "killed" by his own kind.

"I don't want to go"

It's mostly sad how comical he's being, trying to shrug it off as if it was a stupid joke; then he swirls into the distance crying 'NO NO No no... no...' as if he'd finally realised what's going on.

You say that and could be right yet others, perhaps much younger would say “Logopolis”, the final story to feature Troughton’s later successor Tom Baker

caused by execution

whiteandnerdy63 It can't be because the War Doctor was young when The Eight Doctor just regenerated. Too old certainly is Capaldi.

See the episode ! ;D

He was illegaly traveling in space and time.

Lol Peter Capaldi should replace Christopher Eccleston in that statement. It would relate to Deep Breath.

+Docteur Capaldi is 56..

He probably thought that if he agreed to it that they might take him somewhere where he could "choose" play it out for time and either talk his way out of it or escape.

I’ve never seen such an incredible bunch!

Yeah, the Timelords were at their best here. Unfortunately the more they appeared the more incompetent they became

Charles Osei neverland is the closest to this doctor who got to creepy timelords after this

They always keep their power and they always stay cruel. The only two characteristics they were given in this scene haven't changed a bit. Developing characters out of them will always make some of the mystery fall away.

Well, after The War Games they certainly lost their touch, as the Doctor was the one who saved them ultimately and the universe from Omega's will and intent of destroying everything in it. (This occurs in The Three Doctors story) Sure, they might have retained a bit of their cruelty and power since, but that is not what made them so intimidating or 'creepy' as Ron puts it, in the War Games. It's the fact that they feel very calm and merely use their intelligence and inherited powers to submit someone to their will or else they will die. Keep note of how they killed the War Lord and the few of the guards under his command. They literally wiped them from existence with virtually very little effort on their part and were very formal and efficient in doing so. The problem with the Time lords since this time is that they come across as either arrogant or just plainly not as superior as they once appeared to be. Even with all their fancy clothing these days. The Timelord's here dressed plainly to emphasise that they did not need to outwardly dress themselves up to make themselves feel more powerful as they were not remotely insecure about their status as powerful beings.

Hell Bent was the worst for them. What was good about them in the Classic Series was even though they did come under threat a few times they never considered the Doctor a threat. In Hell Bent everyone is acting like the Doctor can take them all on. The Doctor is probably the time lord equivalent of James Bond. He's more capable than most time lords and can definitely cause some chaos but he shouldn't stand a chance against all of Galifrey.

Mind Robber, War Games, Deadly Assassin and…

@@aggie603 Planet of the Daleks.

Bernard has on my accounts played Goth both in 'The War Games' and 'The Deadly Assassin'. Sadly for Bernard, his son Christian predeceased him.

I think he'd have been a great Master.

TheStrikeofGod “I have the right to make decision of what I look like! It could be important to the earth-*Muffling* “ “Ughh! What’s happening?” *Hicup sound* “What’s ha-What’s happened?” Timelord leader: “The time has come for you to change your appearance Doctor and begin your exile!” The Doctor: “Is this some sort of joke?” The Doctor: “I refuse to be treated in-what are u doing?” “UuuUUGghh, stop! Your making me Dizzy!” “No-you can’t do this to me-I No! No!” “NO-No Noo noO Noo, Noo No No-No... Noo!” *Fades into the darkness*

To be (a little bit) fair to the Time Lords, he was rather indecisive.

@@DoctorWhoKage I would be too if I were in his shoes lmao

Beatles stole the look from him. lol

@@tonywhite9873 And Patrick Troughton stolen this haircut from Moe Howard.

@@malisafosteroffical It's really base on the Beatles, they were big then.

@@malisafosteroffical lol

Yes

My favorite ❤

Yeah, he was essentially executed.

A forced Regeneration/execution, losing his Companions (who won‘t remember everything besides their first encounter and adventure together), and getting sent to Earth in exile! 😭😭

between him and the 5th

Unlike the embarrassing mess of 2019? 👎

Too bad many of his episodes are gone.

No he's over there wearing capes and driving cars but he's there don't listen to the words of the vein idiot who just a week ago was attempting to become a god of time

I wonder if the Tenth Doctor, still thinking Gallifrey was no more, decided to de-neuralyze Jamie and Zoe.

I don‘t think it was played for laughs.. It was his nature and i bet he was just trying to calm his nerves.. I mean He looks kinda frightened when he realises what‘s happening to him

SueDonym Which he didn't do.

Alpha121198 Yep... Thus escalating the issue.

If the events of Genesis of the daleks didn't happen we wouldn't have the time war, in an in-universe standpoint

@@TheProfessor230 And if the events of The Daleks didn't happen The Daleks would have remained ignorant of the outer universe and thus the impetus for the Doctor being sent to their creation in Genesis never would have happened. So the Doctor's interferance is very much a part of what led to the timewar.

@@parrot998 True

I would have been appropriate, actually; later multi-doctor episodes had a theme of them hating each other. 'Two' met 'Thee' during 'The Three Doctors'; they had to be persuaded by the original to do anything at all. 'Two' generally doubted the competence of 'Three', and would butt in on conversations to make sure that anything being said was correct.

Jon Pertwee hadn't been cast when the episode was first broadcast . It wasn't even sure if the show at the time was to return. In a way season 7 saved the show from being axed.

MrG season 7 is the single most important in the show’s history imo

Rhyan Bennett Even though i liked The Tardis Crew from Season 6 better with 2nd Doc with Jamie and Zoe

no, Jon had not been cast at that point hence why they did the regeneration that way with the 2nd doctor, it was only after they cast Jon as the third doctor that they decided to reveal him after the regeneration and the start of his exile.

+Ann-Marie Mallinson I think that.

It's really depressing too. How he's saying "No, no! You can't do this to me! No! No, no, no..." It's so depressing to me.

Tudor Pepi doesn't matter if you have a TARDIS

Tudor Pepi doesn't matter if you have a TARDIS

@Tudor Pepi Perhaps this episode was a prophecy, one that states that David Tennant was meant to play the Doctor.

@@dillonwright13 and the "that's ones too young" means matt smith is meant to be the doctor

He did say he was particular

It’s still pretty terrible in retrospect. We really didn’t know what regeneration was (neither did the writers) at this time. With the current knowledge the Timelords basically killed the second Doctor (because its still death for the most part) and wasted one of his 12 regenerations prematurely (pushing him closer to an earlier final death) as punishment. That’s just harsh. Not to mention it’s been described to be very painful during the process (I imagine ever cell changing in an instant would). This is just dark.

@@vullord666 Oh yeah, I would not be happy about the situation at all. Very little consolation in choosing the face of the person that replaces you when you cease to exist.

Jodie could also replace Eccleston there.

I think it would be funny if the last was Tom Baker.

I thought the one where he said "Noo he's too thin" looked more like Peter Davison

So we can expect Karl Marx and Peter Griffin to play the doctor at some point

The thin looks more like 12.

@@dapenguin4637 Ugh no this show is too good for peter Griffin let him stay on his own trashy show.

Neat.

Moffat said we wanted to have every missing regeneration on screen. What's missing is that one. It would be interesting to see how he could pull that off.

The CIA Kanye West'ed the Time Lords in the middle of their punishment of the Doctor so that they could make the Doctor work for them? Damn, Whoverse CIA is badass.

Sanguiluna CIA were timelords who were basically operating extra legally from the Council of Gallifrey.

erosion271 True, so then that means in The Five Doctors and The Two Doctors takes place while he was working for the CIA, but The Three Doctor's took place shortly after The Invasion. There's a book called Future Imperfect which tells the story how the CIA persuaded the second doctor to join his future self and defeat Omega. When he returned to his own timeline, his memories quickly started to fade away, but however, he did remember that he lost his recorder, and that he had to get a new one

Exactly what I was thinking (Though I think whittaker will be perfect) except "too old" will be Hurt (Capaldi is not really that old).

The War Doctor was young when Eight first regenerated into him. In his reflection, they use an image of young John Hurt. War Doctor fought the Last Time War for a VERY long time, hence his old appearance in Day of the Doctor.

Xylarxcode there’s also the fact that I think they said the War Doctor was actually holding off his regeneration for some time, hence why he aged so much.

I know I feel sorry for him in this scene, but Doctor #2 did seem kinda like a spoiled brat to begin with. (Though who am I to judge? I've hardly ever seen any episodes from Season 6, anyways.)

Nathan Phan That is fucked up, being forced to regenerate, GULAG FOR YOU

Me too, because it is so painful for me to watch. The pain of poor two basically being executed... Is that a bad reason to like it?

+Timothy Ingram ....geese?

geese would be far worse, they're so mean XD lol

I read that in Norm MacDonald's voice.

Well, the high council at least are notoriously the absolute worst.

But I'm very particular!

I like your thinking aha :)

Someone needs to make a video where their images are overlayed... that would be amazing :P

Ben Porter oh wow i certainly agree haha

Ben Porter Someone did back when David Tennant was the doctor, but I think it's been taken down :'(

It certainly proves that David Tennant was meant to play the Doctor, especially since they unknowingly used his likeness before he was even born.

Laurie Jones either that or "We haven't signed up Worzel Gummidge yet, so we can't show him changing"

DevilboyScooby They hadn't made the decision as to whether they would continue the show when this was filmed, as I recall.

Laurie Jones exactly.

If this was the case then this would've been by far one of the most morbid endings to a TV Show I'd ever seen.

imagine of that happened, almost every Doctor Who fan would have never even heard of Doctor Who.

I cried.. Even How brave Jamie and Zoe were and tried to get the Doctor to flee with Them and get out of there as always.. The entire Episode is just intriguing and exciting and well made! It‘s definitley in my Top 10 .. Maybe even Top 5

Didn't want to be typecast as the Doctor.

The War Doctor It looks more like David Tennant. Here, same sideburns, same expression, same hair style, and lastly, in day of the doctor, Matt Smith himself said that David Tennant was skinny, just like what the second doctor said, "Noo, he's to thin!" Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

That basically sums it up.

Yes, because the Time Lord council had the ability to add extra regenerations onto the 12 that Time Lords have but this was murder because it did take away 1 of his regenerations.

Alan Parker Sorry, but you're wrong. The council didn't have the right to add extra regenerations back then. Giving extra regenerations was unheard of to any TimeLord whether they could do it or not, and back then they certainly could not. In the Deadly Assassin (4th Doctor story) the TimeLords said time and again that "Once past the 13 regeneration there is no plan to postpone death" since in that story the Master had ran out. Things may have changed due to the Time War but during this episode and a good deal of time beyond it they didn't know how or if it was even biologically possibile or safe to go beyond 13. Rassilon during the war probably gave them the secret to additional lives since he was the one who created the genetic augmentation to allow TimeLords to regenerate in the first place.

TimeLordParadox +DarkAdonisVyers Actually, the council being able to, through technological intervention, bestow new ones was mentioned back in "The Five Doctors" - they offered the master (then on his last one and running around in a hijacked body) a new cycle as a reward for working together with them. Didn't sound like it was something they did often, but obviously all rules would've gone out of the window during the war.... In any case, this just seems to be something they do as a punishment, maybe a step down from a proper execution.

Kendrix Havlik What has a later story got to do with the War Games? There is actually some contesting thoughts about that bit in the Five Doctors. Since the Master wasn't in a TimeLord body at the time (He had taken over a Traken Body) that had not regenerated before it could be that the TimeLords could grant an 'Un-regenerated' body a cycle of regenerations. But it wouldn't be the Master in his original form regenerating, nor the Masters body itself, so it would techically be the stolen body of Tremas that regenerated. River Song proved that the regenerating power of the TimeLords is something that any species could posses, the Gallifreyans just chose to keep the power to themselves. Similar thing to bringing back the Master from the dead, a new body means new regenerations. Prior to the Sound of Drums, the Master was totally destroyed mind and body and never returned until somehow the TimeLords ressurected him from the Time Vortex during the Time War. Some even say that the 12 regeneration rule was imposed because the 13th regeneration was supposed to be fatal (it was possible but it would kill the one regenerating) or that it involved risks because regenerating a body more than 12 times could cause serious problems that made it more kinder to die rather than carry on. TimeLord society is still shrouded in mystery, we can speculate all we want about why there was a 12 regeneration rule but the fact is we know very little about it. Even though there are books and audios that delve into the TimeLord history a little they are not technically cannon to the TV series and are therefore useless, and with Rassilon (The one who created the ability to regenerate) coming into the Time War who knew what went on. According to a book called the World Game, the ending of the War Games is faked. The Second Doctor was actually sentanced to exicution (Real death), but was saved by the Gallifreyan CIA (Celestian Invervention Agency) who wanted an agent to do their dirty work. They then faked the end of the Doctors trial and that is what we saw on TV. This lead into the fan speculated series 6B (Caused by cannon mistakes in 6th Doctor story, The Two Doctors) where the second Doctor and Jamie continue their travels for a great many more years until for some mysterious reason the CIA handed the Doctor back to the TimeLords with a reduced sentance of regeneration and exile. However, how cannon the books are is open to speculation.

TimeLordParadox !

Eh? baker's and Davidson's regeneration had big drama in theme and you good say a little indulgence with them showing the whole past companions talking to the doctors and their villains but I agree not on the level of the new series. Biggest problem I have with the new series is they do the same thing for regeneration and the original series did something different every time.

Yes

Or these were part of the division or actually timeless children too.....

This comment age as well if you know how 11 went out…

chris is thin. He said he was suffering from anorexia during series 1. Also BBC wanted him to stay thin. Also in episode Dalek you can see Chris shirtless and wow his so thin without the jacket (jacket makes him look jacked).

Not to mention them having whatever technology/power to instantly induce some kind of mindfuck experience that leads to death. Haunting stuff.

agreed

Sort of. In the show itself, he was known in the 20th century as well - primarily by UNIT.

@@TsoLan1 I don't think a small number of soldiers from one story could be enough "known on the Earth" to make it "very awkward for [him]" No - when the Doctor talked of being "known on the Earth" he clearly meant being known by the "All Of You At Home" whom he addressed in the Feast of Steven.

If the series had ended with The War Games pt10, there would have been the implication that someone somewhere on present day Earth was secretly The Doctor, having undergone a repeat of the mysterious process that transformed him from The Old Doctor to The New Doctor. It could be Harold Wilson, it could be President Nixon, it could be your teacher, it could even be your milkman. Someone out there was really the Doctor - but who? -"Who is Doctor Who?"

@@kurtvanderbogarde8402 Oh well. I've never heard that interpretation before, but I suppose you could be right.

I think he was refering to all the people he met on his travels during this time. While yes, there is UNIT but he did meet many people when he traveled to the 20th century. He started to make his presence known.

Shadoestar He also looks like David Tennant

If only... I suppose we can dream.

Originally the exile wasn't planned to have a regeneration as well, but pat opted to leave after season 6

ten didnt sob "hysterically" he cried a bit because he had so many regrets

@@RyomenAyeni225some people really think men crying is some sort of admittance of weakness or lack of wits lol

@@brandotenda exactly like the 10th was literally about to die I don’t blame him for crying

For me I like the “that won’t do at all” is pertwee

Theory: The Doctor is regenerated into Jo Martin and exiled to earth. The Time Lords decide she could also be useful working for them, so they recruit her and send her on top secret missions and stuff. At some point the Doctor escapes, flees back to earth and hides with the Chamelion Arch. After they find her they bring her back to Gallifrey, declare her unfit to continue working for them, wipe her memories and all evidence of this incarnation, regenerate her into Jon Pertwee and send her back to exile on Earth. This would explain the time period the Time Lady is from and the classic design of the Tardis.

@@cleotheya4694 Hmm🤔💭

burned him to death?!!?!??!? where did you read that?!

@@RyomenAyeni225 one of the old comics

@@TheRealClaylex that’s crazy imma stay away from that one I thought the cannon version was the night walkers comic

+Lucy Warner it is and extremely unfair this regeneration was more of a punishment because the timelords were basically saying we can do this and you have no say what so ever

+kadarrius jones ok well I was just saying. I used to have nightmares about this regeneration

Oh G-d. Creepy? Nightmares?

+kadarrius jones He had plenty of say. They are Time Lords after all and he broke the law so he must be punished.That's civilization.

+benjamin marlowe yeah I know but I was only about six or seven. I just found the music really freaky and when he kept spinning around shoutinh no no no, I dreamt I was him, and then I landed in a pit and then I woke up. still I agree that he should of had a better regeneration

They’re actually one and the same

I think he looks more like the older 8th Doctor from Night Of The Doctor, but meh. :3

tonstad39 I thought he looked like Peter Davison

tonstad39 I posted above to show why he looks like david tennant.