Seeing if People Can Hear Autotune on Vocals

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Has Autotune really "destroyed modern music?" Check out what the average listener preferred in this blind test.
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@hardcoremusicstudio 27 дней назад

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@iurigrang 27 дней назад

819/1024 = 80%, not 66%

@FedericoFavaro 27 дней назад

Yup, I wonder how that 66% came about

@iurigrang 27 дней назад

@@FedericoFavaro I wonder if the 66% is correct or the raw numbers are correct. 1024 is 2^10 after all, could have come from something computational not showing a full list, and the 66% being the actual part being correct.

@iurigrang 27 дней назад

@@FedericoFavaro neverming, 819/1240 is 66%. That's the mistake most likely.

@FedericoFavaro 27 дней назад

@@iurigrang That makes a lot of sense

@officialWWM 27 дней назад

He’s a mixer, not a mathematician 😂😂

@csimpson.9790 27 дней назад

This video shows how many people aren't really sure what they are listening to, just how a change affects the overall sound.

@joshuadelaughter7968 27 дней назад

Facts.

@joristimmermans5058 19 дней назад

And also why that last 10-15% of really great mixing is so damn hard to achieve, because your brain is _constantly_ lying to you about what you're really hearing.

@swan4163 27 дней назад

Did you always use the untuned first and the tuned second? If so, it might be worthwhile to try again to eliminate recency bias. And having two songs, one where the first is tuned and one where the first one is untuned, would be even better.

@Jake_Sachs 27 дней назад

Your examples have very tasteful pitch correction, and they still sound natural. The complaints with autotune are regarding untasteful and too heavy-handed uses of it, which I agree with.

@DRETD2124 11 дней назад

The heavy handed autotune sounds amazing tbh. We've got so many sub genres from ppl being able to push and manipulate autotune. I think it's more of a age gap (older ppl dislike it). Comes down to taste tbh

@ric8248 27 дней назад

This whole video was a huge non sequitur, but I'm glad you realised this at 6:40. Also, if you always put the tuned version as the 2nd track then you totally wasted your time, you were supposed to shuffle them.

@point-bl4nk 27 дней назад

I listened without watching and didn't notice any difference. The guy was just already good enough

@joshuadelaughter7968 27 дней назад

Yeah he was really good. The Autotune took a little of the shakeiness out of his voice and I can't decide whether that improved or detracted from it for me.

@AshrZ 27 дней назад

I think it just removed most of the pitch drift, definitely a very good singer

@joristimmermans5058 19 дней назад

@@joshuadelaughter7968 For me, the 1st song was better without autotune because it had more pathos, but it was _really_ close, and there were definitely also small parts improved. For the 2nd one my brain was immediately resistant because I didn't like the song, and also my brain went "this is clearly the sort of modern heavier stuff that needs to be treated with autotune to sound like a modern competitive mix". Self-fulfilling prophecy.

@charleswettish8701 27 дней назад

I watched a video where they auto-tuned Aretha Franklin, Robert Plant, and Frank Sinatra. The tuned versions were pretty obviously weaker. The difference may be the fact that the "out of tune-ness" of those great singers was not "out of tune" but "colorful".

@slash196 27 дней назад

Great singers can play with tuning like a cat plays with a toy. Most people are not great singers. Even pro vocalists are not mostly Frank Sinatra.

@alessandrosummer 27 дней назад

I saw that video by Adam Neely. I think that could be explained taking a consideration Nolly - the mixer for the last Periphery record - mentioned in the livestream he made with Jordan: drummers nowadays mostly aim at the grid, so it makes sense to quantize them; and most singers nowadays aim at the line at 440 hZ standard tuning, so it makes sense to tune them in a tasteful way. But taking a performance from Robert Plant - who was largely aiming for in between blue notes - and pitch correcting will make it worse; just like quantizing John Bonham who didn't aim at the grid when he was playing. Hope it makes sense!

@1vlaadchamp198 25 дней назад

@@alessandrosummer The idea that the intentionality of the musician is the deciding factor here is a really refreshing take, makes perfect sense

@alessandrosummer 25 дней назад

@@1vlaadchamp198 absolutely!

@Gregypo085 27 дней назад

Yo, I was one of the 25 people that mentioned tuning! Also, they were very fair tests. The raw vocals were very close and good performances.

@patmakestunes 27 дней назад

Thanks for the awesome video! I honestly love these kinds of videos. For me, mixing is a means to clarify and improve on what the music is trying to communicate, and videos like this prove to me how obsessive we get over little details that many people just simply don’t care about. I see people almost assigning a lack of musical integrity or something for certain things (tuning vocals, drum samples, etc.) If tuning up the vocals helps the music connect with people (which in this video it seems to) then I’m happy to meet people halfway.

@jaffrayburk1 27 дней назад

Did you change the order? The second piece of data is usually "better"

@theAshesofDecember1 26 дней назад

A tuned vocal is ultimately going to sound tighter to the instrumentation. It’s going to feel like everything is pulled together just a little more

@MartinSchnella 27 дней назад

The big question is.... if there is no comparison between A and B, would someone really care? The tuning on these example is really less and you can hear the tuning not exactly. I think the problem is more the heavy load of autotune that is used in so many modern tracks. Using Melodyne and co just to grab the notes where it is really needed is totally fine. Working through a vocal track manually with Melodyne just to chose the notes that really need to be tuned makes it sound more natural and authentic. But to be hones. So many people love the music from decades where noone alligned and tuned vocals. It is alwys best that a singer does a great job and tuning is just there to give a final polish. The reality always shows, that many modern music is just tuned die hard by default. And yes, that's boring, unintresting ......

@kelvinfunkner 27 дней назад

such a great experiment! Doesn't surprise me that people commented on other elements of the mix. When things are resonating harmonically and not beating against each other, they always sound better. Learning how to Autotune at a top tier level is what built my business as a vocal editor, and to this day I have new clients coming specifically because I get "that" vocal excellence on every project I do. Also as a side note, I don't know if you've noticed, but I sure have...I'm seeing young teen singers nailing pitch live more than ever before and I honestly believe it's because they are singing along with their favorite artists who have been autotuned...it's like it's being baked into them as they grow up. I've even heard a few teen girls on public free stages who sound like they're running autotune live on a dry mic lol...

@huberttorzewski 27 дней назад

Well.. the test was a mild pitch correction vs no pitch correction at all. The test should be including also heavy pitch correction (like it's present in a lot of music nowadays) vs no pitch correction and mild pitch correction vs no pitch correction. I think mild pitch correction would always win and a heavy pitch correction would lose even with no pitch correction at all. But I guess

@alessandrosummer 27 дней назад

I’m pretty sure Jordan agrees! He took this tasteful pitch correction just to show that Autotune is not ruining music: it’s just a tool that unfortunately has often been used poorly

@warpacademy 25 дней назад

Also, love your point about "there will always be lots of people on the sidelines and in the stands criticizing." So true. Based on my experience being on RU-vid since 2009, IMO 99% of critical comments on RU-vid are from people who don't actually write any music or work as an engineer whatsoever. People with no videos, no following, no releases etc. seem to be the most outspoken (and nasty). Probably because it's so hard and painful for them to see others succeeding, or on the path to success, or just exploring and following their hearts and passions. And rather than do anything worthwhile to elevate themselves, it's easier for them to sit back and take cheap shots at those who are in the arena, battling it out.

@midlifeadventures3138 27 дней назад

The average listener doesn't correlate auto tune as tuning or doing correction. They correlate auto tune as T-pain/Cher effect. I did notice the tuned vocal in these examples removed the attack of the consonants and made the vocal sound smoother. What auto tune software version did you use for the examples?

@colinallcars5239 27 дней назад

Was Tuned always the last one they heard, i.e. always Version B? If so should've randomized the order for a more fair test.

@alfiearock 27 дней назад

This was an eye-opening video. Great job

@JimboTSoV 27 дней назад

Just to add some nuance: I think it isn't whether you autotune/pitch correct or don't on a whole scale that makes or breaks a song. I think the amount of correction and when you decide to apply it vs letting the raw sound keep its original touch boils down to whether it feels good in the end. If you apply too much correction, it may feel unnatural and/or remove some of the emotion behind a line. If you don't apply enough it may feel too low quality. I also think this differs from genre to genre and ultimately taste. I personally enjoyed the first song (the country one) untuned version slighty more, while the in second song (the pop rocky one) I felt like the tuning really did enhance it I really like how you end this video on a level headed conclusion and how you always focus on simply making good music instead of following trends or falling into unnecessary controversies like this autotune debate

@largeuselessness 27 дней назад

wow i was imaging those roboty chip-sound like vocal before i click in lol

@1touchproduction 27 дней назад

Awesome. Your content is on another level.

@danmagee5 27 дней назад

It's simple if a person can actually sing don't use auto-tune. If they can't sing on key then obviously use it. I do believe it creates a human quality if someone might get slightly off but is mostly in tune to not Auto-Tune it. I think auto-tune is a testament of modern times showing people just aren't as good as they used to be. It's almost like everyone got lazy and they don't put time into the craft like they used to. Like putting a Band-Aid on it. On a truly great song with a great passionate vocalist auto-tune would take away from it.

@warpacademy 25 дней назад

Great video mate! Love that you did all this research. Some of my subscribers just pointed me to this video because I published a video about how to tune VOX in Melodyne just this week. An update on the math would be great if you can. Which was it? Was it 66% of the 1024 the chose the tuned version? (Unlikely as that would result in 675.84 and you can't have 0.84 of a person) or was it 819, meaning that 80% preferred the tuned version? Personally, I'm very curious. Please keep up the great content and the first hand research. You're doing the industry a favor with the data. Cheers mate.

@BeejayMorgan 20 дней назад

This is really interesting. I love your observation that people listen to music as a whole... I think that is all the more reason to put the effort into the performance, to think through the song, and to put effort into actually composing the song. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

@RickyMackie 25 дней назад

Paul is such a great vocalist, I could immediately tell it was him. Saw his old project Burst and Bloom live a long time ago. Great band

@kilocharlie1100 19 дней назад

This is a long shot but I have a theory about why people perceived the mix better with tuned vocals. I believe most people actually can tell the key of the song by the vocal because their brains will focus entirely on it, therefore even slightly out of tuned vocals will subtly put the rest of the song slightly out of tune as the brain uses the vocals to decide what's right. Our ears are most sensitive to sounds in the vocal range so it makes sense that people would latch on to the vocals for things like key center. When the vocals align perfectly with the mix they would perceive the rest of the music to work better with the vocal and the brain would focus a bit more gluing everything together and perceiving it as one unit - which creates the illusion of a better mix. Another aspect to this could be that the fundamentals and overtones mesh better when things are perfectly aligned and I do believe that influences the mix because that would create small variations in volume that could impact how compressors work in a very subtle way. So maybe it's not just that our brains are playing tricks on us, tuning actually does impact the mix.

@tatepaul3947 26 дней назад

That’s such a good point about special fx and edits in movies, it’s the same thing! 👌🏻

@thekowboyelectrik7714 24 дня назад

Great video and discoveries! I don't tune my vocals much anymore after watching a a documentary about Brian Ferry and Roxy Music! I didn't realize until watching this that he sang flat , which made the music unique. With myself, I have noticed that tuning makes my vocals sound worse the more out of tune I sing. On the other hand, it makes my vocals sound better the less out of tune I sing.

@musician1971a 26 дней назад

Thank you! When I get tracks to mix and the assignment is to make it sound as good as possible, the first thing is not mixing, it's editing. So the timing of all instruments, the tuning and dynamics of the vocals and solo instruments. Everything needs to be just tight enough to still sound musical but no longer like a high school band. It needs to sound like good musicians who know how to play. And that already makes all the difference. Mixing then becomes a lot easier. And I get soooooooo sick of the people who say "Learn how to sing!!" or "Hire a better singer!" when someone asks how to use Autotune (or other tuning plugins/software). First of all, it's not up to them to decide what I can or can not do. Second, there's a very snobby thing happening there, cause they apparently assume you work for a record company and have the luxury of hiring anything and anyone you want. Whioch, for the vast majority of us, is definitely not a reality. Most of us record friends or friends of friends, and not to work towards a public release but only a small release for a few people who are interested. If I were recording for a company and could hire anyone, would I ask about what the best drum plugin is? No! I would just tell the company that I need a drummer. period.

@BeatsAndMeats 27 дней назад

What a great test!! I remember when you sent out the survey… I can’t remember what I said, but I DEFINITELY did not hear the vocal tuning, but I’m pretty sure I picked Mix B.

@alessandrosummer 27 дней назад

Me too!

@rickfowler3710 27 дней назад

Everything effects everything in a mix

@drewstephenson 25 дней назад

Very interesting video and analysis, thank you. I wonder if the other properties that people noted, around clarity, bass-tightness etc etc are a psycho-acoustic effect of the fact that the vocals are occupying a tighter band of the frequency spectrum? Not sure if I'm explaining myself too well here.

@sansproductionlounge8083 22 дня назад

I find it amazing that a tuned vocal presents a psychoacoustic across the whole mix. That’s an incredible discovery! Thanks for the share, Jordan! Pure gold! Ps. My maths is terrible! Didn’t even notice until comments 🤣🤣

@green8923 26 дней назад

I wonder if the tuning (whether autotune or melodine etc.) nudges the tonality of the vocal. Un-tuned, if a vocal is a little flat or sharp, it could be rubbing against the other elements of the mix and contributing to frequency buildups, whereas that same performance being tuned (either heavily or lightly) would have the vocal sit in it's own space throughout the song a bit more, possibly effecting the tonal balance of the whole song as well as compression down the line. I also noticed in the examples that the tuned vocal sounded more even in terms of dynamics, and I wonder if that had an effected the perception of other things in the mix as well. Just spitballing, but would be interesting to investigate further in a future video

@akira_21_ 27 дней назад

As for me, untuned vocals sound more intimate. Sometimes it's good and fits the song, but most of the times (especially in modern pop/commercial music) tuned vocals are a much better fit

@jackkosto 27 дней назад

Such an awesome example here, and totally agree with the conclusion. I would love to see a test done with a really overtuned vocal vs an untuned one as well, if only for shits n giggles :)

@TheAT5000 27 дней назад

A mix sounding bigger with tuned vocals makes sense. It's wave summation. Vocal tuning is like EQ, you can use it to make a good recording great, but you can't make a bad performance sound good. If you hear vocal artifacts from the auto tune, have the singer do another take.

@carlostorres1171 27 дней назад

I've done this with fully gridded vs partially gridded vs natural drums. 45% preferred Fully gridded. 36% partially gridded. 19% natural. Blind, of course. And what was funny was the number of people who remarked about hearing various differences in the mix overall, when the only actual difference was time alignment. Brains are funny little things.

@richards6065 27 дней назад

Music that is composed better will always cover up any “flaws”. Flaws are a normal part of life.

@zeclomal2265 26 дней назад

Better tunning is always preferred by people but there's a difference between making vocals slightly better and helping someone sing with such an evident autotune presence in the vocals.

@RicherPodcast 22 дня назад

Great vid! 👍🏼 Where in your chain do you put autotune? I know you process vox in this order: • Compress • DeEss • Limit • Automate …so where would YOU put a pitch correction plugin? Thanks in advance!

@starman5754 27 дней назад

I have just stopped mentioning the word "autotune" to clients and just apply the required amount. Edited, tweaked, brushed up, compressed, EQ'd, verbs, delays, etc are never questioned and hailed as making them shine, even the word "tuning" usually flys. People have been conditioned to hate "Autotune" without really understanding how and why it's used in the mix process....just associating it to the hyper-tuning, unnatural sound, use of it.

@sidehustlefilms8007 27 дней назад

Thumbs up! Watching you for years, today IM going to ask my first question. Please tell me the truth about setting levels on vocal recordings in Pro Tools.Some people say -10dB some people say -12dB some people say OVU on a VU meter. What gain settings do you record at? Thank You.

@kronik907 27 дней назад

Mix with your ears not your eyes. But most people I know track at about the highest gain they can get away with without clipping.

@enricoruotolo 27 дней назад

i’d be curious to see the same test with raw vs melodyne vs antares to see if the tuning algorithm makes a difference

@brandongarza8601 27 дней назад

Man, I love that you're doing these real world test. Cause ultimately that's all that matters. Listeners don't know what they don't know. They just know that it sounds better. The only people that think pitch correction is "killing music" are other engineers/mixers. Now let's do this again but with quantized vs un-quantized drums 🙂

@cristianibarraOfficial 11 дней назад

I don't consider myself a professional singer, but... I try to defend myself when I sing, I use tuners, I particularly prefer waves tune mono, and once I get my voice in tune, I study my own voice to, at the same time, push myself to reach other vocal levels

@sisupat 23 дня назад

The vocal tone in the auto tuned versions sounded a bit warmer than the non auto tumed. To me that helped them sit in mix a bit better tonally and also let the upper mids of the instruments come across better (less masking).

@rickfinsta2951 27 дней назад

You needed to do this double blind to get meaningful results. That is, randomly send people A+B, A+A, and B+B.

@ScottWDrums 27 дней назад

I don't have a problem with the idea of pitch correction at all but sometimes I have issues with how it's applied. When applied tastefully I hardly even notice it. That being said, I find the sound of hard tuned vocals fatiguing. Listening to so many modern pop songs the singers sound robotic. I don't even necessarily mean the full on "T-Pain effect". Maybe it's just because I have the ability to notice it that it detracts from my enjoyment of the song but I've even gone to people older than me who aren't as familiar with music production and they've literally asked me what is wrong with the vocals on some pop songs when they're hard tuned describing the vocals with words like vibrating and chipmunk sounding. I think of pitch correction like drum samples. They're both useful tools that can enhance a mix and are a widely accepted part of recording and mixing now. However, I also think I shouldn't have to rely on them if I'm able to capture a great performance in the first place. I think the people who are really opposed to pitch correction, samples, quantizing, and whatever else get caught up in the fact that great records were made more naturally in the past so why has this stuff become the standard today thinking we're diluting music. Having said all of that, the people who get legitimately angry about this stuff need to take a deep breath because it isn't worth spending that much energy on.

@theAshesofDecember1 26 дней назад

A tuned vocal is ultimately going to sound tighter to the instrumentation. It’s going to feel like everything is pulled together just a little more. It would be the same if you had a guitar just a little out of tune on one side. It’s going to make everything seem just a little off and give the impression of the overall sound of the mix could be cloudy when it’s not

@scorpioschild706 25 дней назад

In the olden days (before autotune) we used to record the vocal line by line until it was basically perfect. This was before digital - pre protools. So doing the same thing with a machine is a lot cheaper and effective. What I don’t like is when the vocal is just totally autotuned to death. I turn it off because it doesn’t sound natural. But when I’m not hearing it I can appreciate the song better. I use autotune without prejudice now

@brucerobertwayne 26 дней назад

We need a magic frequencies eq video for horns, synths, high hats and strings

@johnfranklin2261 27 дней назад

Can you do a video on how you use Autotune? You sound like you know how to use it as a tool/with a light touch, I’d love to learn more. It always seems to be heavy-handed when I use it no matter what I try

@jaredsullivan9101 27 дней назад

Pretty sure I voted for the first option. I remember thinking the vocals were compressed differently though. Very interesting!

@brucewayne251 26 дней назад

It’s the same way we tune instruments. If someone is out of tune, it messes up the intonation, and it sounds more aggressive or muddy. Tuned vocals tend to be like a chord that is in harmony.

@CalixtoElDiablo 25 дней назад

Let’s not discount that if given two IDENTICAL tracks, people will believe they hear a difference and pick one over the other. If you tell them they are different, they will believe they hear a difference

@floydandune5194 26 дней назад

This is a really interesting result.

@1verzhn 26 дней назад

It feels like the music that feels super tight kinda locked to a grid sounds better autotuned, but the older stuff due to the tape warble and slightly out of tune instruments it isn’t as crucial. I don’t mind it i love melodyne and metatune. You need them sometimes.

@DaneDavenport 27 дней назад

The observation that the average listener hears music as a complete package is astute and very true. The reason people say they prefer untuned vocals despite in blind tests preferring tuned vocals is a well tuned performance sounds like a great performance, but a well tuned bad vocal often sounds like bad autotune. As Jordan said, he used a better than average performance for the example vocal and that makes all the difference. That said, do this with a bad vocal and people will still prefer the tuned version, because it's at least a bad performance in tune. Performance always comes first.

@ryanzakk 26 дней назад

i couldnt care less what production is used in vocals or music in general, as long as the end product sounds cool

@GudlaugurMusic 26 дней назад

Hmm how does that affect vocal doubles?

@jows7595 26 дней назад

Tuning, timing, and editing are the biggest things to make that difference between professional and amateur. Some of these records have a guy editing every little thing for 2 weeks or more. That's before even touching an eq or compressor. It's easy to have opinions about that and I'm definitely in the camp of everything sounding over-edited and over-processed. But I'm just an artist who makes no money. If money were involved maybe I'd feel differently.

@HZSoGoodMusic 27 дней назад

I really enjoy minor imperfections in recording. Maybe I'm just old school, but i feel more connected when it's not perfect.

@dylanjastle 27 дней назад

This could have been skewed by always playing the tuned version second. I listened to the two tracks on the email you sent out and really couldn’t pick out a difference. I think when the natural performance is really close, it can be nice to leave alone. Feels more timeless to listen to or something. If the vocalist is audibly off, yes, I’m of the opinion it is better tuned in that case. Hard tuned vocals where you can really hear the algorithm does bug me though.

@RedbackRecordz 26 дней назад

The thing with your tests is that the vocals were pretty good to start with, so there wasn’t a huge change with the tuned vocal, the problem with autotune is usually when the vocals are really crap and then get autotuned so much that it sounds robotic and terrible. A very minor amount of autotune should be barely noticeable. Too much makes the vocal lose the human element and feel. There is a fine line between the two. 🤘🤘

@joa1232 27 дней назад

Ok but what if youre doing it with like 3 or 4 versions? One with completely untuned vocals, one with carefully tuned vocals where only the bad spots where corrected, one where everything is on the grid but kind of natural and maybe one thats more on the robotic side? IMO the whole autotune discussion was never about yes or no. Its more about wheres the sweet spot and probably most modern records pushed it a little too far.

@iengineer_247 26 дней назад

It is a preference. I don't use Auto Tunes but I have clients that use it moderately on harmonizing stuff not on their lead. The clients commit to it then send it to me to mix. Some people know they cannot sing but if that's what they want to do then hey go ahead. It have somewhat got to a point of artist who don't need it have now placed it in their head that they need it. I think auto tune is good for modulation stuff but not to a point of it sounding like a robot.

@codycreepcore 27 дней назад

I think alot of these preferences can be genre dependent. Anything that sounds like this modern type of production, I would agree tuned vocals are better. If you are going for a more vintage style/colourful type of mix with tons of character and less focus on a modern sound, untuned could be better. I work in the fringes alot.

@CricketStyleJ 26 дней назад

The varying answers don't surprise me at all. This is the normal way human opinions work. People typically believe their preferences are the result of some well-considered reason, but that's backwards. Our opinions are more often reverse-engineered (or chosen from among socially-approved talking points) to justify our feelings. It's a very convincing illusion. Almost impossible not to be fooled by it.

@stephank.6411 27 дней назад

It is quite mechanistic to generalize this. It depends on the musical expression of the music and the genre and on the skills of the singer. Of course, autotune kills emotions that good singers can put into their vocal lines. There may be pop genres where it really doesn't matter because they are consumed like fast food and often the singers are not very good. In such cases Autotune makes this music sellable. But if you have a good singer in soul or funk, for example, these little imperfections are absolutely crucial to transport emotion, which is what for me is one of the most fascinating things music can do. The singers in your examples were not bad but also not very good. So this, of course, makes a difference too. A good singer will make as many takes as required to deliver an in-tune track. But he will leave these crucial small imperfections in because they are human and help to sound natural, more emotional, and therefore familiar to humans. This way the listener can be reached on a deeper level. I personally don't like autotune. I get strange feelings when a song is perceivable autotuned. If it is, I skip it. Something seems to be wrong with such a song for me. I don't particularly like musical fast food either. Maybe that's because I'm a musician. It probably all is a matter of perception and how used you are to really listen to and feel the music as a consumer.

@Fire-Toolz 26 дней назад

the biggest problem i see here is that people hate the idea of auto-tune waaaaaay more than they even notice it in all the songs they like.

@NormanTiner 25 дней назад

Since I mix my own vocals I really have a hard time letting myself tune. I'm going to perform this shit live so I don't want to give myself a crutch that will only work in a studio.

@HerkeveyHanoar 27 дней назад

In the first song I actually liked the detuned version better. The tuned one sounded boring, and the detuned had a cool character to it. I think if the singer is really good it can be beneficial too keep some of the original feel. Also when listeners mentioned other mix elements sounding better, they are not necessarily wrong since the vocal melody os more precise, it stands out more and it doesn't mask other instruments as much frequency wise

@nikolatomic5287 27 дней назад

i corrected one of my songs heavily. at first, vocalist complained. after while, he started to sing the way is corrected! so ... probably is cool to sing vocal, correct him 100%, force him to listen to that version, come back 1 month later, sing as he is doing the cover version of himself, and than just correct him 25% and that's it. you'll get the best version from both worlds.

@ahawk706 27 дней назад

What is your opinion on when to use Melodyne vs Autotune ? What do you mostly use?

@alessandrosummer 27 дней назад

He mostly uses Autotune because he got used to that but he mentioned several times that if someone is more comfortable with Melodyne - like me - it’s completely fine as well

@LexBravary 27 дней назад

Listening to songs in tune sounds better than out of tune, this is obviously a no brainer. My biggest qualm with this is authenticity. Whenever I have to tune a vocal or hear one tuned, I just feel like I'm looking at someone with muscles painted on their body instead of the discipline of going to the gym for months on end. It isn't actually them, and they didn't earn it. Also, how do you explain decades of music before autotune? Were people just worse back then? This argument we still need to use the tool to be competitive doesn't hold up. I guess if we're just going by sales numbers, give the people what they want?

@user-mm3zd5yv5z 25 дней назад

I want the Black Salt Audio subscription service!

@shahriaar0 27 дней назад

The issue is less with moderate, mild pitch corrections, and more with the in-your-face ones. Studio recordings do require corrections, but most tend to go overboard.

@schmuckytheraiderbear5043 27 дней назад

If I hear anything more than light autotune on a song I'm skipping it or changing the station.

@kevinjesensky6533 27 дней назад

i got the second example sent to me. i didn't respond because there wasn't an option to say i couldn't hear a difference. now that i know the answer i still don't hear a difference.

@AshrZ 27 дней назад

If you want to hear a song that's out of tune, listen to "I Really Want To Stay At Your House" from Edgerunners (Rosa Walton)

@chazzhill-hayr9201 26 дней назад

Was there auto tune on Jordan's voice in this video? My brains spazzing.

@j-katinfusino4930 27 дней назад

I think that the average person doesn't know the difference between tuning a vocal and AUTO tune. I don't know any engineers that mix with auto tune, specifically. Although, everyone I know uses some sort of MANUAL tuning and pitch correction. Pitch correction should be mostly transparent. Your test sounded pretty natural, what program did you use to tune?

@alessandrosummer 27 дней назад

He uses Autotune in graph mode, kinda like what you’d do with Melodyne

@j-katinfusino4930 27 дней назад

@@alessandrosummer which isnt really autotune in the way that the term "autotune" implies. Nothing against Jordan here, I love his channel, but I think the phrasing is perpetuating the misconception.

@alessandrosummer 27 дней назад

@@j-katinfusino4930 it's because in the popular conception Autotune=T-Pain robotic voice. But that's not completely true

@the_awful_guitar_player6666 26 дней назад

most canadian video ever ahahaha good stuff, singer on the second song is crazy good

@niklaskarlsson550 27 дней назад

My question is, should one bet on Autotune or Melodyne? Or something else? This would be an intresting follow-up video.

@JoshuaMRichard 26 дней назад

I was one of those 25 people in the survey who mentioned the tuned vocals. My trophy please? 😌😂

@crazycasi0433 27 дней назад

You are phenomenal at mathematics Jordan!

@hardcoremusicstudio 25 дней назад

LOL

@JM_2019 27 дней назад

I think it really depends on the singer. If you tune vocals of great hits from the past, a lot of people would prefer the original.

@DennisBergDrums 26 дней назад

I´d say as long as it just enhances the performance a little bit its okay. This topic kinda reminds me of one video where you said even Gavin Harrison (one of the best and cleanest drummers on earth IMO) gets quantized ;-) BUT where it gets out of hand is when the vocalist then completely sucks when performing live. But then again some artists even use autotune live right?

@peptoattack 27 дней назад

I think I spotted a small out-of-tune part, but I'm not really sure... maybe if I hadn't known what to look for, I would never have heard any differences.

@MrKinglith13 27 дней назад

I received the request to vote, but I didn't, because (at the time at least) I couldn't tell the difference!

@Mikey__R 27 дней назад

You make the music you want to make. I'll listen to the music I want to hear. We don't have to agree, and asking what the average Joe thinks is irrelevant.

@MattyVibes 27 дней назад

Simple mistake, he input 1224 instead of 1024. It should be 79%. I was like, waiiiit a second. hope u find this so you can edit to reinforce your point better!😅 and thx for making my mixes better 🫶🙌

@officialWWM 27 дней назад

I liked the untuned Vox, he’s a good singer. That second song is great. Reminds me of Thirsty Merc.

@jannik-x 27 дней назад

The only problem I have with pitch correction is when the tuning work is done crudely, leaving in audible artifacts where it was clearly meant to be transparent and not an effect. But for sure most of the "autotune bad" crowd is completely clueless.

@BaritoneGoatStudio 20 дней назад

Autotune is typically not noticeable with a good singer, and it typically can't make a bad singer sound good... Different styles though can be affected by the processing, and it takes some finesse to make sure the performance doesn't suffer due to pitch correction. Any sort of fry or stylized onset can get weird sounding using automatic pitch correction. I tend to prefer Melodyne to keep stuff more dynamic. Side note: I feel like your voice track on this video had some sort of processing happening. Inflections and minor shifts in your tone seemed to have artifacts and a light warble on the tails of words. Also, there seem to be an intentional monotone happening? then again, it is youtube, and not a raw audio track...

@thejrfanclub628 27 дней назад

Dude Alan Rigdon at the beginning haha

@joshuadelaughter7968 27 дней назад

I'd be curious about manual pitch correction (like melodyne) too. Sounds a lot more natural than autotune.

@hardcoremusicstudio 25 дней назад

I tune manually using autotune

@dakota-sessions 27 дней назад

Who's job is it to tune the vocal? The producer, or the mix engineer?

@aleksababa 27 дней назад

The singer, when he practices his shit?

@pennyfirenick4706 27 дней назад

😂😂 I was going to say the same thing. But seriously, there is a lot of truth to that. Makes for a much better performance and time editing if the singer can be as accurate as possible. The vocals, imho should be sent tuned/pitch corrected before hitting the mix engineers DAW. Of course I like to have two separate tracks (RAW/Tuned) for just in case scenarios. I personally feel having to pitch correct or auto tune during mixing is a buzz kill. But that’s just me.