Seeking Immortality - Doctor Who - The Five Doctors - BBC 

Kman314 4 wasn't there

"AVI?"

@@tenthdoctor1085 He didn't say that the Fourth Doctor was there.

Can't you count, there were four not five

@Gamerslayer11966 Can't you identify characters? Those are the First, Second, Third, and FIFTH Doctors.

+Teaghan Treherne Troughton and Pertwee were a wonderful double act.

MaskedMan66 agreed on that -omg younger me-

Stefano Pavone It would be ill-advised, mainly for the problems it would cause to the time stream. Always in multi-Doctor stories, it was imperative that the situation be tied up as quickly as possible so things could be restored.

Stefano Pavone Well, I've lived there since 1978. ;-)

Good way to get rid of dangerously ambitious time lords. And they were immortal - forever. ^_^

And now, thanks to Chris Bl**dy Chibnall, it turns out that the Doctor has always been immortal, as that one Gallifreyan discovered by killing him over and over again when he was a child.

@@MaskedMan66 don’t believe that garbage writing

@@spadesofpaintstudios1719 I don't.

I like it, it gives the doctor who series reason to continue

@@tjbruiser9938 It always had a reason to continue and didn't need some hack writer's sickening idea of a child-murdering "scientist" and crapping all over William Hartnell.

Children can see more clearly than adults and the First Doctor is, by Time Lord standards, a child. Despite having a grandchild, he's a whippersnapper compared to the others and therefore maintains a child's ability to see the obvious. The Second Doctor's basically the excitable teenage years and the Third is the beginning of adulthood.

He is the only Doctor not to have his memories scrambled with being regenerated as the others were. He is also the oldest - several thousand years old from what I remember from the first few episodes.

The other Doctors carried the knowledge of their predecessors forward, but the first Doctor was the only one who had lived all the stages of life, who had actually experienced firsthand childhood, growing old, watching friends die. That's a much fuller perspective than the others.

Even moreso if he says, "Even now, it's not too late to turn back".

Yes, but also don't confuse a glowing d20 given by the doctor for cough medicine.

But when the DM smiles . . . it's already too late . . .

@@The_Gallowglass nice reference lol

In everthing

As an adult I find the concept horrifying.

The concept, the music, the visuals. It’s still terrifying

The war doctor novels explains that Rassilon learned to cycle through regenerations. But the prisoners he experimented cycled through it constantly. Perpetual and eternal, and continous bodily regeneration never settling down. Faceless or half formed always changing, flowing from one to the next without stop or pause. They live frozen in place in time. Unable to escape. Only to fuel Rassilon. History made him a hero. He was not. Ruthless product of his time. Used others to fuel his rise to power. Too egocentric to trust Galifrey and The Universe to get along without him. Never mind the final ultimate weapon. The Armegedon Sapphire. The weapon to end the universe and just before it does to elevate the time lords up into the abstract planes like the Eternals. All to save their own skins from the Daleks. Not a nice man at all. The Doctors realizing this wisely just want away from him as fast as possible and to rescue their trapped self and their friends. That type of sociopathic monster lets you live because you amuse him or because doing an ocassional good act makes them feel virtuous. Don't press your luck or try their patience. Just as likely to kill out of spite alone.

Well ambition is one thing. Rassilon developed the game to trap anyone who wanted immortality and be a threat to him. The First Doctor says as much.

The 2nd doctor's reaction is the most funny

Aka Low or no budget.

Aka Low or no budget.

They wanted to do it a second time actually. They were going to turn the monk time lord from the planet of spiders into a villian. In my opinion i'm glad they didnt.

@@Dumbird0 yeah too many corrupt Time Lords as is.

Power corrupts. Which is why the Doctor refuses to hang around when they offer him the Presidency again. (He was democratically elected during the events of the Deadly Assassin but has never served a full term, holding the office three times during his Fourth, Fifth and Twelfth incarnations because circumstances demanded it and abdicating the position as soon as possible. In this story he holds the office precisely long enough to appoint Flavia to act in his place, and then runs like hell).

It is sad but however it is good to see that richard was able to play that role brilliantly

Yeah,

Team Heroes William was forced to retire then died in the 70's

I know it kinda Makes me sad

He was so frail that he couldn't even appear on set for filming of the Three Doctors.

What's even funnier about this is that the Fifth Doctor should've caught on to Rassilon's trick too.

@@DoctorWhoKage I like to think is that the first Doctor being the youngest has the brightest way of thinking, as the more imaginative of them.

Or maybe it's because he's the nastiest of the incarnations present.

The first doctor is smartest

@@_aballa_ quite interesting, the mind of a child...

Lol, yea

Perhaps Rassilon prepared it for him in advance. ;)

Almost as if Rassilon knew this would happen...

IKR

And probably more around the back.

What?

😆

You said it. I prefer this over DOTD any day.

DOTD felt more like a typical story with other Doctors rather than a celebration of Dr Who in general.

James Holmes Same this episode was actually pretty great despite how old it is

I feel like day of the doctor should have had the eighth one just to see more of him because he's about as unknown as the War Doctor!

Josh if you really want to know the 8th doctor, just listen to his audio series

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Yes, one does; Rassilon himself offered it freely.

@@MaskedMan66 Yes, knowing that it would return to his finger in a matter of seconds

@RedJLetsPlay Point being? People can still simply take it, regardless of what happens next.

Neither did Two, Three or Five.

locarno24 well it was a longer time since he had last heard the voice, maybe he had forgotten

I constantly go to comment on RU-vid videos to find that I've already done it, so it makes sense to me.

I constantly go to comment on RU-vid videos to find that I've already done it, so it makes sense to me.

@@lapelcelery42 Was this another case of it?

The First Doctor was the one who was closest to the Doctor's education and training. The others had much more experience, but were further removed from their point of origin. So it's natural that 1 would be the one who remembered his education best.

To each is his own but I loved all of them including the first ones back in the black and white era it doesn't matter they were all good in their own unique way

Jon's era definitely has the most consistently good storylines and character relationships. He's my favourite too.

3 is why I love 12.

I love 2, 3 and 5 so this could well be my favourite story.

Kids these days, thinkin' they know everything....

Did public or private school teach that?

@@ShamrockParticle 10th Doctor did ;)

You've obviously never been in Wales on Saint David's Day!

@@MaskedMan66 I actively avoid Cardiff on St Davids day otherwise I'll have Dragons and Daffodils engraved into my brain permanently all week 😂

+Lewys Cousins Understandable; you don't want to be in Chicago on Independence Day either. But men wear leeks in Wales, I'm told, on that festive occasion. And there are other societies where vegetables are worn at times of celebration.

You some kind of weirdo? They aren't.

+Doctor Who Why Where and When The Third Doctor can run faster than the Second, so naturally he pulled him along.

The eternally trapped faces is incredibly creepy.

When I saw this the first time round as a wee nipper, the scene with the assassin robot chopping up the cybermen was one of the scariest things I'd ever seen in Doctor Who

*smh* Another one. Listen carefully: the First Doctor is a 500 year-old father and grandfather who has lived a full life. The Fifth Doctor is a relatively withdrawn young man who is only around a century old. They may be the same person, but the first is the original.

@MaskedMan66 I keep seeing your comment. When will you understand that you are wrong. They are all the same person. The 5th is the oldest at that point. The 13th is the oldest now

@@mrmaclovin255 doctor loses like 99% of his memories when he regenerates. so he is not so wrong

Yeah, 5 is the oldest, but he is also the youngest. The newest regeneration, born yesterday compared with the other 4 lol 😆

The past will always be there, no matter how much you try to forget.

Not to mention the fourth.

Jamie Sleeman Tom Baker backed out from this one.

Aye. Needless to say, he regretted it. Plank.

Jamie Sleeman Ah well. Cest la vie.

He was there; he was just played by another actor.

Yes, but out of the blue, Davies decided that companions should not remember when they have adventures with more than one of the Doctor's incarnations-- despite the fact that the Brigadier remembered the events of "The Three Doctors."

He is only-- taking the Doctor's linear timeline as a whole into account-- chronologically the youngest. In terms of actual age and accumulated life experience, he is the oldest. He is some five centuries old, while the others never lasted more than a couple of hundred years.

@@MaskedMan66 11 lived around 5-600 years aswell

@@jplegend98 That hadn't happened yet, and besides, he didn't mature, really, did he?

@@jplegend98yeah, he died from exhaustion just like the first doctor, but he spent most of his time at Christmas.

Wouldn't you? The whole scheme was clearly a trap to ensure Gallifrey was never ruled too long by a power-mad leader. It worked great until Rassilon himself was revived and put back in charge... and promptly went power-mad.

+hagamapama Some Gallifreyans say that he always was.

@@MaskedMan66 Who are these Gallifreyans lol? The only time I remember a Gallifreyan telling his opinion on Rassilon was in Hell Bent, when the General said: "He was a good man once".

@@lepimond4605 "These Gallifreyans" are the ones the Doctor was talking about in "The Five Doctors" when he told the Brigadier, "Some say his fellow Time Lords rebelled against his cruelty and locked him in the Tower in eternal sleep."

@@MaskedMan66 Oh. Thank you. Should rewatch the episode. It's still just a rumour though.

I want to see a five or more ish doctors episode with Tom baker, Peter Davidson, Colin baker, Sylvester McCoy, Paul mcgann, eccleston, Tennant, smith and capaldi

gamonstudios How would they explain the fact that they aged... quite a bit

DoctorXCraft Knowing Moffat, wibbly wobbly timey wimey. :D

DoctorXCraft Some time anomoly.

I think its best for Eccleston, Tennant, Smith, and Capaldi to have a multidoctor story with the 10th anniversary, and all.

He said he regrets declining it!

Bmanrulesz there were rumours that his formidable ego prevented this from happening in reference to why Baker didn't appear he does howerver appear briefly in a children in need TV SPECIAL that probably had the most DR WHO alumni of any special yet as well as guest appearances by the cast of EASTENDERS!! anything can happen!! HAPPY HOLIDAYS !!

pvtrichter88 Dimensions in Time? I personally didn't care for that, the writing seemed pretty poor to me. It obviously isn't a matter of let's throw in everything but the kitchen sink, they have to fit into the story somehow, even if as only throways. They kind did that w/the dalek scene in this, as well as the yeti, let alone mike yates, liz shaw, jamie and zoe who were all phantoms of the mind through rassilon's will. But they fit organically into the story and, while it wasn't perfect, it made sense. I didn't find that w/DiT. But if it floats your boat, good on ya.

Not really a spoiler.

Newly revealed information suggests he didn't do it because he didn't care for JNT, disagreeing immensely with his creative direction and feeling "diminished" under him. This is his newly cited reason for leaving the show, and given the relatively close proximity to his leaving and the Five Doctors those feelings were still probably fresh to him.

xD

The thing is, they didn't know what form the immortality would take.

If it weren't for the Master, we wouldn't have Clara. At any point in time.

@@chaosmiles07 How's that?

@@MaskedMan66 Who gave Clara the phone number that connected her with the (Eleventh) Doctor in the first place? "The woman at the shop."

+Nick PRAKASH Ah, but Borusa (and the Time Lords who also got trapped) didn't know that.

Stefano Pavone Nobody's ever been sure about old Rassilon; as the Troughton Doctor said, some stories told of him being a cruel dictator.

Nope.

Passed away in 2020, sadly.

@andrewbyrne2173 that would make him 92. That's a good life, congratulations are in order

@@bukster1 wasn’t expecting a reply after you posted 4 years ago, but yes. 92 is a good innings.

+Tabby-in-the- TARDIS12 No; the First Doctor is at the end of his life, which lasted some 500 years or more. The Fifth Doctor is only a century or two old. And the Doctor has called his various selves all kinds of names.

MaskedMan66 yeah but in overall age, the fifth doctor is the eldest doctor at that point. He's been hartnell, troughton, pertwee and baker already.

+Sam Johnstone Doesn't make any difference; compared to his first incarnation, the Doctor's fifth is but a callow youth.

MaskedMan66 That’s really not how it works.

+Daniel O'Neal Or... is it?

CaruCath97 I know right? I mean, the Doctor calling a future incarnation of himself "my boy?" that's just. what?

Only chronologically; in terms of life experience and authority, he outranks them all.

+Legoking 616 Because in his first body he is an old man who has lived nearly 500 years, while in his fifth, he's a young man who's only been around for a century or so.

My boy let me explain it to you like this. The first Doctor is technically the youngest, but he's lived a real life so he's the wisest.

@MaskedMan66. Except the 5th Doctor is still the same person as the 1st. Different body and different personality but he has the same memories and experiences of all his past incarnations. His memories aren't instantly wiped when he regenerates, aside from the occasional temporary post-regenerative amnesia.

Rassilon was always very powerful, and in the Time War, he became very desperate. Desperate, powerful people sacrifice their principles and become corrupt. It happens all the time.

hagamapama history records him as wise and just ruler! but official history is always sanitized! rumour says he was a tyrant! omega believed he was deliberately led into a trap so not to have to share power!

Blame Robert bl**dy Holmes. He ruined the Time Lords.

The death zone , Omega , the probability engine and transcending his own form. Plus he sees the universe as successive and malleable, while life is transient. All about his own power and survival

talk to the hacks of new who!

Now that I think about it, that's probably where Moffat got the idea- hadn't thought of that, nicely spotted!

oh no his fate is much worse then stone or wraith

aperson22222 The tenth anniversary special "The Three Doctors" actually contained footage of William Hartnell, Patrick Troughton, and Jon Pertwee. Granted, William Hartnell's footage had to be shot separately with his lines in front of him, just below the camera, but it was still the original three all in one story.

Does Day of the Doctor count? Then again...it was originally going to be eccleston in the war doctors place..........but meh, Hurt was amazing. What about The Two Doctors with Patrick Troughton and Colin Baker?

kylephantom4 That wasn't an anniversary special. That was just a random multi-Doctor story. The 25th anniversary (in case that was your assumption) didn't have a special story to celebrate it-we just got a somewhat mediocre Cybermen story.

kylephantom4 Hurt, amazing? Bite your tongue! It's not his fault, he didn't belong there to begin with; but he pretty much sleep-walked through it. It fit in with Eccleston's "confession" in "Dalek" about as well as "Only a master of evil, Darth" fit it with the agonized "You were the chosen one!" monologue. The difference is, this time the people involved knew what they were supposed to be matching up with. As for "The Two Doctors," I've already answered that question ad nauseum.

aperson22222 This was the 20th anniversary show. Tom Baker didn't want to be in it. His doctor is trapped interdimensionally, and they used clips from the unfinished episode "Shada" at the beginning.

I believe its explained later that when multiple doctors enter the same timeline they don't all remember what happens when they return to their own times. That's why later on the doctor doesn't know that the war doctor helped save galifrey and his future selves hate him, only the 11th onward retained those memories.

4th doctor was trapped in a time eddy.

@@Jeezes718what about time crash? The resolution of the plot revolves around the doctor remembering a very precise set of calculations through five regenerations.

Borusa was power-crazed and not thinking clearly.

just bin his garbage, never to be grassroots canon

Richard Hurndall.

Sean Pertwee already said no.