Sega Game Coding in Assembly - Computerphile 

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Effort? Whot, you mean I actually have to like work at something? I thought you could get software to take care of that (sarcasm)

Going through sort of more as a hobby myself (but it's really I see as maybe a toolkit in and of itself to improve my development skills) doing Assembly (or a form rather of course being more accurate since it's more I don't know a family at least of languages rather to describe I suppose low level code. I do find it highly interesting how assembly works though nontheless, though have not touched on it at all in years I will admit that but yeah plan on going back to it very soon!

A real programmer? Nah, real programmers use emacs

@ironmike southern I bet he can't name a single example of what he's talking about lol. He's just angry that kids are learning to program and have better access to learning tools and knowledge than he'll ever have.

This. Its cool that you own one, but even cooler if you can actually put the kit to use and do something with it.

Shame on the collectors who own and remove these things from the wild because they just want to own it. These dev kits needs to be used, they were created for this purpose, not for rotting in a clearcase display. ah! and we need more sega genesis game.

I'd like see someone figure out how to make games for saturn

@@pinkyoshi9339 look up the yearly saturn homebrew contests. you'd be surprised at how many people do it.

Ha! Was about to post the same.

And "Zill-inks"

Love periphery. I bet his ability to grasp those complex rhythms plays into his ASM ability.

plus he has Green Hill tattoos hahaha

Plus he has Green Hill Zone tattoos hahaha

Hanniffy Dinn but it was more rewarding and you hadn't a choice.

It's actually not as hard as it seems. Despite how it seems, programming for the Mega Drive is really easy, especially with all the documentation, support and tools available. At most it is just time consuming to learn it all, and put all the knowledge to use.

I wonder if that's how the ROM hacks are made?

Knuckles the Echidna most ROM hacks are just done with editing the code and data, as well as testing on emulators. But if emulators are the only source of testing, it is bound to have compatibility issues with hw or other emulators. Something like this solves the issue, but for me having to use win95 to develop is unacceptable.

ᑎᗩTᔕᑌᗰI that explains why a lot of the earlier ROM hacks don't work with the Everdrive! They are only playable on the emulators.

indeed!

Absolutely. He had me at "Traveler's Tales."

I was never expecting you to be here, Yuzoboy! :D

around my place I always heard "skasi"

i dunno , i use both

Anyone pronounce SCSI as "sexy"?

but why would someone bother using assembly for game prog????

Because it's a console which isn't very powerful.

Or PHP

C is too inefficient, Java is the better option.

Not me! 1 zillion devices use java, it is the most efficient

Don't feed the troll, I doubt he's being serious.

I appreciate all of the replies! I wish I could reply to all of you great human beings, but I got XML programming to do later today at TheOnion University. If you guys are wondering, I'm taking the Assembly Debasing program and currently enrolled in semester 1, so I'm just getting started. But at the same time I know exactly what I'm talking about; feel free to ask questions and I'll get back to you as soon as possible. Take care!

He doesn't mention needing / supporting the "Mega Modem" so I'd guess probably not

nat4200 Booo :(. And no special edition with an " iconic " hat ?

Andrew Joy Well, the game isn't developed by EA. :p

you have to fund it's development yourself

You have to pre order everything

I listen to Prog metal , but I find Periphery very boring and bland Tech Prog

I prefer bands like veil of maya, after the burial and such, but periphery I/II for a session is always nice. :P

My profile icon is my favorite prog tech band. Does anyone recognize it?

lost in the static by after the burial and Mikasa from Veil of Maya

Tesseract for the win bois

Anos Anosn I can't imagine everything is done in assembly. Then again a lot of game programming today is done is C which is just one step up.

Rollercoaster Tycoon was written by one guy in x86 assembly

Yeah, pretty impressive. The first RollerCoaster Tycoon was also written completely in assembly, by a single person.

Even games today have some of their code written in Assembly. Usually at areas where performance is key, such as rendering etc. The tricky thing is that you need to write procedures based on the architecture you write your game for, e.g. for Intel vs. AMD vs. ARM as well as the GPU.

Running things on a 7mhz x68k you needed all the power you could get, and there weren't any tools available to properly compile code written in a high-level language to run optimally, so you basically had to write everything in assembly. Think about games like Chrono Trigger for the SNES, that's a 50 hour game with tons of music, graphics, story, and it's 4MB.

Everdrive cart?

Exactly

You can (it's basically what I'm doing with an snes right now), but debugging tools are the hard part. Real hardware and emulators get you part of the way... But a consumer console has no debugging support, and it's quite hard to implement that manually, so you end up having to do a lot of your tests on real hardware without even having a debugger to work with. And people thought assembly language by itself was a nightmare. It gets so much worse without a debugger... XD

KuraIthys Yeah my comment was mostly a Trojan horse for some trivia on the scrappy origin (pun not intended but I'll take the credit) of the now behemoth publisher 😊

"Artisanal game development"

Thanks so much to the both of you!

Andrew N One of my favorites! I loved 68k, still miss it

Barry Manilowa Well, there are few decent Sega emulators out there - at least, for Linux and Windows.

Artem Borisovskiy Depends what you mean with "decent". If you mean that they actually work right and are completely usable; no, there are no Sega emulators like that. If by decent you mean that they work barely and could use a lot of more time being fixed, then yeah there are few like that.

It sure was, and with DevPac it was 98% wondrous =))

What's wrong with Kega Fusion and Exodus?

Actually, I found that difficult to believe. I picked up the rudiments of assembly language (started with TMS9900) in a couple of days, and by the time I got to 68000 (that was, um, my third assembly langage) it was an hour or so. There's just not that much to assembly language. When I took an assembly language course (for the 68000, as it happened) several years later, you were expected to master the system in a semester. Of course, most people continue to improve in any programming language as they continue to write in it, and I don't know that he's been able to work on it except in fits and starts. It may very well be that it's taken him three years to get to the point where he could do his game, and that would be a reasonable amount of time for a busy programmer.

He stole my tattoo idea before i even invented it!

Some day I'll get a pixel tattoo. I'm thinking some monster from Shining in the Darkness maybe. ***** the Eggman final boss is stunningly cool.

It'd be harder to find a programmer who doesn't listen to prog metal

Real programmers program in Brainf**k.

Real programmers programe in Whitespace.

ender_scythe Brainfuck is crazy!

Actually, I disagree with what I said earlier, real programmers program in Glass.

Real programmers use butterflies. Google it.

it's easier with game engine trust me

huldu check out Elysian Shadows, they have a youtube series called adventures in game development, where they post progress video on the game they are working on which has the sega dreamcast as one of its main target platforms.