Seiko Repair Truth - Disposable ?! 

Absolutely,still ticking after 30years is incredible.

@@ezeztztz seiko has amazing long lasting moments the 7s is bullet proof. I took a chance on the 6r35 in Hope's it will last 25 years.

@@DaTryHardCamper It will. Most entry to mid range Seiko movements are made based on 7s26 with a couple of upgrades for hacking, handwinding, power reserve and thats it more or less. 🙂

Of course you should service it and not listen to these snobs who make videos like this while thinking Hamilton Hkaki Field with cheap ETA is worth servicing 😄

So it means i dont need to service my 10year old monster which goes +2 seconds per day?

Indeed. Servicing a seiko is not any easier that servicing a rolex.

Agreed with snobbish part, he must be a collector not an enthusiast

Yeah, John P apparently doesn’t know what sentimental value is, just looking at the actual numbers. Very snobbish. My dad got a Seiko for his retirement and you can be damn sure I’ll have that thing serviced. Truth be told, charges for a servicing are probably low because Seiko just slaps a fresh new movement in there. His company not servicing Seikos is forcing customers to pay that $50 shipping fee to Seiko, which raises the overall cost, so he’s just helping to screw the customer

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@@brownnoise357 sorry to say bro, you’re sounding a bit like Johnny P rambling on and on. Yet Johnny is referring to watch enthusiasts not snobbery. I’ve purchased a SEIKO watch in the seventies. It lasted for decades, as I am a Chef the watch never failed under extreme heat, repetitive knife use w/ asian cleavers etc. Your reference to “Cost Benefit Akanaysis Ratio” ?? Began on the wrong foot. Wind Turbines, solar!?? I agree w the person above Sin Jon in that repairing his Fathers retirement Seiko is act of love a point that supersedes all Cost Benefit Analysis Ratios on so many levels. Good luck and take care. I

hello friend, in the 15 years of time, how frequently did you send the watch for the service? and for the first time, i am planning to buy a seiko 5 limited edition "zoro" so please suggest.. thanks

Not even a Rolex or Patek can keep time accurately 15 years without service. You are either lying, exaggerating the situation or that watch only gives time correctly two times a day.

@@VulgarRage those are higher end with faster movements 4hz 5hz even. The faster the more strain on parts. I've heard of 7s movements lasting 25 years no services if only worn occasionally.

@@VulgarRage and you clearly know sod all about Seiko

'until one of us dies'. thats a great one Steve!

good advise

yes local watchmaker its the best..

ABSOLUTELY!

Agreed! Just getting rid of them is not at all ecologic and doesn't take into account the emotional value!

Agree 100% This Dude doesn't make a good point! Bad presentation lost me with the discountinous speech. Forgot to mention SEIKO watches made in the seventies that are now worth 6k US Dollars. Repair cost about 120 US Dollar.

Where do you get your watch serviced? Directly through seiko?

Sorry but you can do better. They are disposable 100%.

@Clyde Johnson nope, never been serviced.

@rose badran @John p watches that's right. I have a 7020 with 7020 movement for more than 30 years and never had a maintenance service since. It went to Seiko service center once as it was running very fast 5-8 mins a day, it got magnetized. Other than that still good and used it for leisure scuba diving too. Cheers! Awesome videos John P. Keep up the good work and more power to you. Ciao! Giuseppe

Rose Badran Yes👍🏼

7S26 movement was introduced in 1996. That is 24 years ago, not 30.

Scott Ferkovich he said 7s36 🤣

@@pechadeh The 7s36 was also introduced in 1996.

I have to admit, for reliability, I'm not going to grab any of my Omegas over my Seiko.

BUUUULLSHIIIIT.

i dont know about USA , i m from singapore. i am sure that in many parts of east / south east asia and UK, there are many proficient enough watch shop owners/technicians qualified enough to service seiko mechanical watch without sending them back to seiko. they may also know how to buy or source for parts if necessary. for relatively newer seiko e.g. 7s / 4R movements, maybe it is easiest/ cheaper to just get the movement replace with equivalent replaceable model if exact ones cannot be found - instead of servicing them . any watch technician worth their salt can advise you on this

@@JayB-lz6yd it's you

That’s a great price. Who’s your local guy?

Yes 25-35 usd for a nh35 (4r35) on ebay or aliexpress

Exactly and some new seals and off you go.

I bet that's what seiko do, launch the old movement and drop in a new one, regardless of model.

Why employ expensive watchmakers to do service, when a few hrs training in removing and installation of a new movement. 😉Logic.

@@Sandman.68. That's what I figured they did for a lot of the movements. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Grand Seiko do the samething

that would be something i would be interested in doing , swapping in new seiko mechanical movements for 20 or 30 bucks .

If you are attached to the watch and its history, get it serviced either way.

Have a go yourself, you would be surprised how easy it is.

Hi there, i contacted Seiko UK a while ago and asked about serviceing a SKX & mm300, the SKX was £130 and yes they replace the movement, with the mm300 since its a jdm model it has to go back to Japan. I don't know about you but since the heart of the watch is the movement, replaceing with a new one doesn't sit well with me, however I know why they do that.

Tag Heuer often do the same - I'm sure it's very common for mid budget and lower watches

I agree. It only makes sense. Movements are disposable.

This is correct. It's a fast, efficient, cost effective movement swap and new gaskets. Cheaper than a full tear down either cleaning. Not sure why anyone would object. These are inexpensive watches.

Yesyes perfectly right, changing gear. 30 minutes. Go!

Agreed, a new movement and a few tools are way cheaper than getting a service.

Great insight! Cheers !

bad design eh ?

i have a quartz seiko that is running fine after 35 years , never been serviced except batteries .

well the beat 18000 seiko 21600. it wont last--the wer is too much very agressive

Guy talks BS.

Scott SJ I have five Seikos, and feel the same way.

The NH35 Microbrand.

Yep

True

@@KarimDeLakarim nailed it

Al Moscola , you’re talking about.

Yeah, I’d go with that. Doesn’t seem very well informed for an expert, seiko has made and I think will probably continue to make solid watches. +\- 4 seconds for cosc, lots of swiss watches don’t make the grade, lots of del ray offerings don’t meet that standard either. I’m using the Seiko USA service Center right now for a monster. No issues. Chapter ring hasn’t been an issue on any of mine(lucky?)and I currently have a 71 seiko on my bench that has run for 49 years without service. I’m not sure what you bring to the table in the way of experience with Seiko to be fair, not Florian but the video host. What’s your history? What do you wear? What service Center’s have you used? What makes a watch disposable for you? Does it need to be less than a specific value? So many questions.

Very true

I had my SKX781 Monster serviced with the 7s26. Well worth it for this discontinued classic to keep everything 100% original.

Wesley Lu Yup

I bought the mm300 a few years ago mint for £1000. To have it sent back to Japan for service you wount get much change back from £500 so basically half the watches worth and thats from a £2000 watch new, so not just the dilemma with the skx.

You really don't need to service every 3 years. That's overkill. 20 years before I finally service my seiko with new movement swap and gaskets for under $200. Seemed fair since it's a watch I want to keep forever.

@@michaelriera6277 thats totally reasonable

Yep...but why touch a precious "swiss made" when you can bash it against Seiko? This applies to all entry level Swiss watches too.

Exactly. A full strip down, cleaning, oiling anr re-assembling of a 7s26 in my country costs about 30-40€.

Or just buy the movement they cost about $30 to $40.

Common experience

Was that at the Seiko US service centre?

Took my GS 3 months and they scratched the case side

Always change the date with the hour hands down the bottom of the dial..ie 6.30

When you say "stopped running overnight after 4-6 months", were you offended because they all stopped when you weren't looking? I don't get it.

@@michaelscott356 Uh, an automatic watch should have enough reserve to keep going over night.

@@robertbrandywine This is thr 1st time in my life I hear something like this tbh 😄 My grandpa has almost 30 years old Seiko 5 and never had any issues. I have one with 7s26 and 2 with 4R36, never had issues either even tho i work in the office and my hands are pretty much still for 8 hours typing in a computer. Not a skngle ine stopped on me.

@@predragjo5977 I don't know what to say. Maybe they've changed some parts. Anyway, if you google you'll find many people complaining about them. I went to Orient and have never looked back.

@@robertbrandywine I am not denying that a watch can have a problem but I personally have yet to meet someone who had a problem with 7s27. That is a workhorse movement, nothing much can go wrong there. And Btw Orient also belongs to Seiko and their movements share many parts. They are literally the same quality wise.

In Mexico it costs around 20 to 60 usd to fix most issues with basic seiko-eta-etc movements. Maybe its just USA/Switzerland problem.

Where do you live

@@sergezerkin bucharest

How about an Alpinist, though?

He got burglarized

kinda a rip off if they are charging for a service but only doing a dump and refill like pep boys

@@tjlee9901 🤣 Call em Pip Boys! 😁

@@bogrot69 : pip ?

@@tjlee9901 You know, as in lume pip, Not one of my best 🤣🤣

@@bogrot69 : oh okay . getcha now