SENDERO EL PIANISTA - BOQUETE, CHIRIQUÍ 

Amén

Dicen que los espíritus hacen perder a las personas te hacer recorrer en círculos ..pero lo de las joven es raro porque con agua fueran soportado mas tiempo y sus cuerpos estarían mas completos así que ?

Main Man yes, this trail

Can you really get lost on this path? Some people say the oath is wide enough and marked it's hard to get lost.

Main Man they didn’t get lost on the trial coming from boquete. They got to the top, but instead went down the wrong side away from boquete towards bocas. That’s the risky unmarked side. Now there is a sign at top says end of trial do not proceed.

@@deepcoolclear I don't think they knew they were going down the "wrong" side. The El Pianista trail doesn't abruptly end at the top: it continues on down the other side. Why is it so intuitive that once you reach the summit you're supposed to do a pirouette and return the way you came? Everybody on YT takes it for granted that the girls were obviously doing something foolish, but that's ridiculous--they simply continued to follow the trail. Unless somebody specifically told you to turn around at the top, you wouldn't know to do so.

@@profd65 They didn't know that the trail ends there. But the path after the Mirador is not really dangerous. You can't lost. No branchings, just one path. But they left the path because a third party chased them. For days in the forest without food and sleep they had an accident and died. They fell down from a high place. First Kris and later Lisanne. I know this case very well.

😂😂😂

En la casa o en cualquiera calle, tambien esta la muerte mirando

@@SCROSSNX no trates de esconder lo que hai pasó solo para no afectar el turismo

@@franciscoarce8224 bla bla bla

@@SCROSSNX payaso

@@franciscoarce8224 🤡🤡🤡🤡

Jajajajajajajjajajajjajajajajajaj offfi

Pero es lindo pero traicionero

No visite ese lugar esta lleno de asesinatos

@@ellobo.8775 o fastasmas

No te vayas a no ser que vayas con 5 amigos por favor, es muy peligroso hay muchas desapariciones y el gobierno lo niega todo.

@@lyonduart3131 que miedo internarse en esa jungla ahí hay muchos seres paranormales

Buen dia, busque uno que dice, la ruta de las holandesas, su ultima caminata, saludos

@@SCROSSNX gracias 👍 👍 👍

Buen ritual...

Las holandesas la violaron y depues las mataron el gobieno de Panamá tapas todo para no perder el turismo

@@javierzepeda7386 mira aquí una investigación en español con los posibles involucrados en homicidio te dejo el link koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and.html

jajajjjjajjajajajajja, bien pue

no se oculta nada si no ahí gente maldita de chiriqui que violan y matan a extranjero s y luego engañan al mundo malditos que le hicieron las holandesas irán al infierno y su conciencia no los dejará tranquilos asesinos violadores ojo no todos ahí gente buena pero los que las violaron las holandesas y mataron los espera el infierno

abdiel Ojalá puedas ver estos mensajes y que te des cuenta que no existen caníbales y la gente de ahí vieron subir un carro 4×4 después de que subieron las holandesas pero el Gobierno no hizo nada para atrapar a esos asesinos porque sabe que iva afectar el turismo pero ahí un Dios esos violadores asesinos su conciencia lo perturbara por el resto de sus vidas y después de muertos los espera el infierno malditos

No generalises Gorge

Pero estoy de acuerdo contigo que el govierno no quiso hacer todo para encontrar a esos canallas le hecharon la culpa al rio a la naturalesa que comodos verda

@@rojevega4557 ahí está el asesino lo más lamentable es que no hubo justicia con las holandesas Dios los tenga en su gloria pero a esos asesinos violadores abra justicia divina

Llora

Hasta que al fin un comentario digno de alabar, hermoso su comentario

La basura es problema terciario siendo que asesinos y violadores asechan mujeres ahí.

No dejen basura pero sí personas.? 🙏😖

Disculpen pero independientemente de que a estás pobres chicas holandesas les halla pasado ese percance tan horrible..que hasta para mí es detestable y deseo con todo mi corazón que agarren a los asesinos(porque fueron más de uno pienso yo los que las asesinaron)...no aplaudo el que tiren basura en la naturaleza..en las quebradas o ríos...la naturaleza no tiene la culpa de las inepitudes del ser humano

Cierto

Pense que era la unica 😨

Pero si en otros videos que se relatan sobre las jovenes desaparecidas ,los que viven cerca d por allí las oyen gritar en la junglas

I agree with what you said. I've read countless articles on this and looked for maps and directions the girls went in. I managed to find a video where Kris' parents even walked the same path. It's under "Lisanne Froon disappearance route" on RU-vid.i also managed to find Lisanne' s brother, Martin who got to the top of the mountain. The video is in Dutch but you can See in the video in some places it's very misty and foggy and it clears up later on. Being part if a rain forest/jungle. Could it be it was foggy in some areas of that day and the girls went down the wrong side? It's such a tragedy but there's also something at the back of my mind pointing in the direction of foul play. So many unanswered questions. I hope the girls souls rest in peace are in a better place. I can't even imagine how hard it was for them to realise how unforgiving the jungle is.

I've studied this case a great deal, and I think it's very possible that Kris and Lisanne didn't know that once you reach the summit you're supposed to turn around and go down the way you came up. The El Pianista trail does not end at the summit, it continues on down the other side and after several days travel reaches an Indian town. Unless Kris and Lisanne had been specifically advised to turn around at the top by a Boquete local or by a website, it would not have been obvious that that's what they were supposed to do. They had no guide. There's not a great deal of information on El Pianista online, and there was probably less four years ago. Also, there was a language barrier at play--the ladies spoke Dutch while most of the stuff written or spoken about El Pianista would have been in Spanish or English. I believe they thought you're supposed to follow the trail down the other side of the mountain, and they probably also (reasoning by analogy) thought that it would take about as long to get down that side as it took them to get up the other side--about three hours. And it was about three hours after beginning their descent that they made their first distress calls. In fact, once it got late in the afternoon and they realized it would be dark soon, in their minds they had reached a point of no return: they knew they didn't have enough daylight to turn around, reach the summit again and go down the way they came up, and so they probably accelerated their pace downhill, hoping to reach the valley before dark, and sadly this made matters much worse. It's difficult to say, but they might not have even been truly lost when they made their first 9-11 calls; they may have gotten lost only later in the evening by travelling desperately in low light and darkness in an attempt to avoid spending the night in the jungle, perhaps leaving the trail and taking "shortcuts."

@@ScotmanUK2000 The thing is the girls may not have known that they were descending the "wrong" side. Everybody on RU-vid seems to thinks it obvious that once you summit you should turn around and go back the way you came. Why?? What's so obvious about it? These RU-vidrs don't realize that the El Pianista trail does not abruptly end at the summit, it continues on down the other side. The pictures of Kris on the "wrong" side--she's still on the El Pianista trail. Unless somebody specifically told you to turn around at the summit and return the way you came, it would not be obvious that that's what you're supposed to do.

They are confused direction

But the parents said there was nowhere else to go but up the trail and back.

Buen día, en realidad da es risa ese sendero. No le veo mas nada que belleza escénica, muy hermoso sendero

Ese sendero es muy hermoso sobre todo en la época en que logras avistar quetzales su canto es hermoso único e inolvidable, yo hace unos años en otro sendero no muy lejano (Sendero Los Quetzales) logré avista una pareja de quetzales y escuchar su largo y único canto, y cuando ellas cantan siempre otras aves que estén cerca cantan también, por esa razón el Sendero El Pianista se nombró así porque era como escuchar una filarmónica de aves en determinada época del año. Agrego un dato el quetzal es el ave nacional de Guatemala, su nombre se usó para denominar su moneda y su imagen para su bandera nacional, pero hasta dónde sé ya no hay en Guatemala, y solo en Panamá y Costa Rica se puede hacer avistamiento de esa hermosa ave.

Con solo cierto se ve espeluznante

Increíble pense ke había sido la unica en experimentae esa sensación tan fea.

@@SCROSSNX Entonces Porque Pones Ese Sonido Ridículo?

1900 msnm

I am obsessed with this case but i will never know what happened 💔

The photos that were released clearly shows that they went beyond the pianista trail. The last photo of Kris standing on a rock looking back at camera is around a 70min walk from el mirador which is where the pianista trail ends. So they definitely entered beyond where they should have. About 2 hours beyond there are several trails and it can get very confusing. The girls become lost tried to call for help but there was no signal. With only an hour of daylight left they decide the best way to get out is to just head down hill, as the start point of the trail is cleared farm land they probably believed if the just kept heading down they would get out. After a day or two of walking through the night as the first night they would be way to scared to stop. They would have continued walking with phone light guiding them and eventually came across the monkey bridge at rio culebra. All items and bones recovered were from this bridge downward about 4 kilometres. I believe they decided to stay here and wait for rescue. They probably washed themselves in the water an slept on the massive boulders that lined the river bank. As the river creates a clearing in the forest any aerial search would most likely see them ( in their minds). As the days go by they become weaker and weaker, no food for days, constant fear and poor sleep. The night photos show papers and a branch with red plastic attached most likely to signal helicopter which was searching the area on the 7th of April. I believe on the 5/6th of April Kris either slipped hitting her head or became critically ill. They would have removed their bras because wearing a bra for 7 days straight would become very uncomfortable and as they would have lost some weight bras would not have fit properly anyway. We don’t know that they only had one bottle of water, one bottle was all that was found in the bag however they may have had another one they were using to collect water from river which was washed away. I would say that with Kris in a very bad way on the 7th when Lisanne heard the helicopter further up on the pianista trail side she probably used the last of her energy to frantically wave the stick with the red plastic in the hope they would spot her and in doing so slipped and broke her foot ( autopsy revealed foot was broken before she died ). As night fell although in agony she had no more energy and fell asleep next to Kris in the rock. As the first heavy rains began to fall in the first hours of the 8th the odd drop of water falling from the leaves above woke her up. Still fresh in her mind that rescuers were looking near them using helicopters she grabbed her camera sitting up and began taking photos after a couple of photos Lisanne was so weak she couldn’t even hold her arm up and accidentally took a photo of the back of Kris’s head, so she laid back down with the camera on her chest and just kept taking photos with the camera point up toward the gap in tree above the river hoping someone would see the flashes. I believe Kris was most likely dead at this point and Lisanne was dying slowly also. The 70 odd attempts to activate Kris’s phone between the 8th and the 11th was probably Lisanne trying to leave a message for her family. Soon after she died leaving the phone on until the battery died. They lay there on the rock decomposing for many weeks and then a massive flash flood occurred which rose the river level life a day picking up the bag and decayed bodies and washed them down stream bouncing around with thousands of small boulders on the way, the backpack floating on top and as the water level went down quickly the bag was left in the rice field and the bone scattered along the banks of the river. The skulls being round would have continued tumbling down river and probably ended up many miles down. That’s what I think happened. The murder hypothesis is just way too sofisticado and so much unnecessary details and calls for help. People go missing in national parks all the time never to be found again. If locals killed them they would take the money in the bag bury the bodies and everything else somewhere far away from civilians and nearby townships and no one would be the wiser. All the evidence in this case leans heavily to death by jungle. Plus panama is a beautiful country and quite safe especially around boquete.

@@Leo-eb1wl Your'e somewhat clinical and very convenient analysis makes you sound like a Panama tourism promoter sadly and I don't buy the 'lost in the jungle' theory one bit. Neither do many others on here. Why was photo 509 deleted permanently by computer? Why did the girls not record any video or voice messages when they were still able to? If your flash flood happened how was the back pack found in such clean and dry condition. A Flash flood sufficient to smash human remains to pieces would have easily destroyed 2 mobile phones and 1 Canon camera! Why were Kris's shorts found neatly folded on a rock? Where are the rest of the girls clothing? Why was Kris's Hip bone found bleached? Do flash floods contain bleach?

@@lazycalm41 it’s not convenient, and I am not a Panamanian promoter, though it is a great country. Look to be honest I used think these girls were murdered too and it really bothered me. So I went all in, not all in watching RU-vid conspiracy theories. I read every article and testimony during search and post discovery, not someone’s translation from Spanish to Dutch to English. The more I read and analysed the all the evidence the less convinced I was that this was foul play. Obviously nobody alive ( unless of course they were murdered) knows exactly what happened. However I feel there any many people who completely disregard the getting lost theory because of some things that are strange to explain when with the murder theory there are way more strange things are are hard to explain. Also there is a lot of misinformation out there. I will try and answer your questions. In regards to leaving messages for loved one’s this is usually done when someone is almost certain of death and alone. I don’t believe in that first few days the girls thought they were going to die, I think assumed there would be people looking for them. Maybe if Lisanne was able to get into Kris’s phone in the couple of days leading up to the 11th the phone died, she may well have left a message if she had been able too. However I don’t think this indicates foul play as some people leave messages some don’t. The flash flood The flash flood happens regularly, pretty much every time it rains heavily on that mountain range and there were 2 days in particular in June that were really heavy double that of any other day during that 10 week period. Explaining the bag v bodies part isn’t that complicated, if you look at the surface of a steep fast flowing river that is experiencing a flash flood there are no rocks on the surface the move below the surface. The bag which is made of nylon would be float on top while the ( badly decayed ) bodies would be dragged under up and under, plus if you have seen images of the culebra river there are hundreds of boulders stuck in the river that anything going down would hit. All bones, bag and other evidence were found scattered over 4 miles down the sides of the river. The bag being buoyant made it all the way down to the rice field. While the bones being heavier and easier to snag were further up the river. No doubt in the river there would still be bones, but this search was never done as it is virtually impossible to do. ‘ bleached bones’ Bleached bones doesn’t mean actual bleach was used, it refers to the colour of the bone, bleached bones are common with bodies that decay in the sun, not in moist forests so much. Where the monkey bridge is there is plenty of sun no trees grow in the river so the large boulders are exposed to sunlight for quite a few hours each day. Also it wasn’t Kris’s pelvis that was bleached it was one of her ribs, her pelvis was yellow and showed normal decay color. The 28 bones found of Lisanne were all in her shoe so they were also protected from sunlight and decayed much slower. The thinnest part of flesh is over the rib cage so if Kris was dead laying on her back the ribs would be exposed to the sun really quickly. Kris’s shorts The indigenous women who found the shorts in her official statement said she found them in the water, somehow later it was changed to neatly folded on a rock. So who knows The lady from alto Romero who found the bag, also said that phones, passport and money we inside a closed plastic bag inside the backpack when she found it. The bras, glasses and camera were not, however the camera was in a hard camera case that was water resistant. Something to note with boquete region is it is almost always windy, so even if rains during the night or for a day if there is a break in the weather things dry out really quickly, that is why you don’t see mould growth on the rocks that line the river. Now you may not want to except any of these possibilities which is fine, many people have convinced themselves of what happened and aren’t open to other possibilities. So I will put this to you. Let’s say they were murdered. Why were there multiple call attempts over 8-9 days made to both 112 and 911. If your reasoning is that the murders were trying to create the narrative of them being lost... how did they know the to call the Dutch number?? Why do it for over a week, I mean a couple of days would have been enough. Why didn’t these murders take the money? I mean it wouldn’t have been suspicious if there was no money found in the bag as there are no shops on the mountain. Why in the night photos 8 days after they went missing are there images of a stick that clearly looks like a device to help aerial search see them and papers on the rock spelling out something large that would be only read easily from above. Name me another murder case that is as sophisticated and well planned out. Then 10 weeks after, when the investigation is dead and no more searches are being done they decide to dump all the bones and then place a bag in a rice paddy to be found. And you think my theory is unrealistic?? In any case I don’t want this to be ugly, it makes me sad that these bright young girls lost their live in their prime. If more evidence was introduced that led me to believe they were murdered I would not hesitate to change my mind, but as it stands I’m of the they got lost theory.

@@lazycalm41 sorry one other thing just quickly. In 2016 a group of three tourist were doing the pianista trail, one of which was a Colombia girl, she became separated from the other 2 as she stopped for a few minutes to rest and said she would catch up. She never did, the other 2 who were on the trail looked for her but she was nowhere to be found so they went straight back down and alerted authorities who unlike in 2014 responded straight away flying in 200 search personnel and 2 helicopters, she was found 18 hours after the next day, healthy. She did however sleep the night in the jungle. The other two knew more or less where they got separated but it still took 18 hours to find her. I don’t care how many people say it’s easy and really hard to get lost, it is simply not true, especially if you continue past the mirador ( lookout )

Vaya al ministerio público y denuncielos ya

@@SCROSSNX estoy en otro país, si no si. La mayoría están muertos. Pero si se que solo quedan 3 hombres vivos de todo ese grupo. Uno de ellos encarcelado por violar a otra mujer en la zona de LAS CALDERAS

@@JorgeGonzalez-ls6lj manda las pruebas a alguien de panama que pueda ir al ministerio público

@@SCROSSNX tú eres de Panamá?? Ya intenté poner links aquí y no me deja.

¿Cual es el nombre del blog y en que parte de internet se ubica?

Yo

@СветЛана González?

Is a beautiful place

Me too! But now i'm afraid to go alone or with just a friend

Never go alone, better with a group AND with a gun. Just in case. Two nice dutch girls were killed there.

Police is corrupt as in most parts of Latín América. There are many other beautiful places to visit without having to risk your own life. Although I think you'll be SAFE travelling with a group AND if you are in a forest never separate from someone else. Just watch what happens when you do in "Missing Persons" and "411".

@@eyraclarisse144 si las mataron pero no se sabe quien o que las mato porque sólo aparecieron las zapatillas con el pie. Y no se sabe el lugar exacto de donde murieron donde estaban las zapatillas no fue aparentemente donde murieron.

@СветЛана лбди не думают головой не понятно что у них в голове как вабще можна ходить по таким тропом что в енипте тунисе турции там девок похищают раз два и опчёося и один хер прут

@СветЛана Хосе Мануэль Мургас; Хорхе Ривера Миранда ;Осман венесуэла и самый главный Хенри Елизер Гонсалес сын гида фелециана у меня есть фото их трупов из них тока жив сын гида они девушек похители держали в хижине патом в пещере глумились над ними а потом убили и расчленили а сам гид фелециано прекрывал жопу сваему сыну

У меня есть даже фото где сын гида глумится над девушкой за год до таво как крис и лисан приехали в панаму

@СветЛана долго расказывать когда османа нашли мертвым а убил его сын гида у него в телефоне была фотка где на водопале купались крис и лисан осман, хорхе ривера миранда а фоткал их на купание агида в телефоне у османа была записано крис они подружились но сам осман не ожидал что сын гида такое сделает осман хоть и состоял в банде но помагал искать крис и лисан когда они пропали

@СветЛана была свидетельница её пахарь состоял в это банде ей дали убежище в коста рике

Y entonces? Que hago? Me quedo en mi casa durmiendo y engordandome como un pendejo?

Jajaja lo mismo opino yo 😂

Chicos así se visten los Europeos, no extrañemos ... Asi caminan comodos.

Ropa cómoda para caminar. Lo que pasa es que muchos latinos cuando ven a una mujer vestida así creen que anda buscando un hombre. Que mentes tan retrasadas.

Y quieres que nos pase algo a nosotros? Babieco

Aqui secuestraron violaron y depues asesianron las pobre holandesas malditos los que hiceron eso iran al imfierno

@@javierzepeda7386 tienes la boca llena de razón las autoridades encubrieron el homicidio

@@clauromero7556 pues si fuerob violadas y despues asesinadas y siempre lo sostendre

@@javierzepeda7386 te recomiendo el blog de Scarlet está en español y todo apunta a Feliciano pero más haya de el a su hijo y sus amigos ! Al parecer está involucrado en pandillas

@@clauromero7556 savia que el viejo despravado estava en volucrado ece asarozo

No ellas la secuestraron la sacaron de ese lugar y la. Violaron y depues la asesinaron malditos asesinos pobre chicas ami me ha roto el corazon nomas de pensar como las castigaron pero iran al infierno los que hicieron eso

La asesinaron fueron secuestradas y asesinadas por el guía y su hijo , las fotos y supuesta búsqueda todo fue montado para que hacer parecer que fue un accidente.

O alguien la atacó

Marcos Piña. Según tengo entendido, lo que muestran en este vídeo es el camino permitido para los turistas, incluso se ve al final el letrero de retorno, quizás por eso no se ve tan duro. Pero, las chicas holandesas cuando ellas terminaron de recorrer este sendero, se adentraron a explorar en la selva mucho más allá del camino permitido para los turistas. Se aventuraron a ir por zonas que ya no debieron ser fáciles de recorrer. Eso es lo que han dicho en muchos otros vídeos y documentales sobre el caso.

@@clauromero7556 serio q locura