Тёмный

SENDERO EL PIANISTA - BOQUETE, CHIRIQUÍ 

SCROSS NX
Подписаться 1,5 тыс.
Просмотров 20 тыс.
50% 1

Опубликовано:

 

15 дек 2016

Поделиться:

Ссылка:

Скачать:

Готовим ссылку...

Добавить в:

Мой плейлист
Посмотреть позже
Комментарии : 195   
@melaniaguerrero6159
@melaniaguerrero6159 3 года назад
Ahí mataron alas chicas holandesas dónde nadie le dió una respuesta Asus pobres padres sufriendo por sus hijas que nunca volverán a ver en sus casas Dios las tenga en su gloria Amen
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX 3 года назад
Amén
@ScotmanUK2000
@ScotmanUK2000 5 лет назад
The trail where Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon disappeared from.
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX 5 лет назад
Main Man yes, this trail
@ScotmanUK2000
@ScotmanUK2000 5 лет назад
Can you really get lost on this path? Some people say the oath is wide enough and marked it's hard to get lost.
@deepcoolclear
@deepcoolclear 5 лет назад
Main Man they didn’t get lost on the trial coming from boquete. They got to the top, but instead went down the wrong side away from boquete towards bocas. That’s the risky unmarked side. Now there is a sign at top says end of trial do not proceed.
@profd65
@profd65 5 лет назад
@@deepcoolclear I don't think they knew they were going down the "wrong" side. The El Pianista trail doesn't abruptly end at the top: it continues on down the other side. Why is it so intuitive that once you reach the summit you're supposed to do a pirouette and return the way you came? Everybody on YT takes it for granted that the girls were obviously doing something foolish, but that's ridiculous--they simply continued to follow the trail. Unless somebody specifically told you to turn around at the top, you wouldn't know to do so.
@illegalquantity
@illegalquantity 4 года назад
@@profd65 They didn't know that the trail ends there. But the path after the Mirador is not really dangerous. You can't lost. No branchings, just one path. But they left the path because a third party chased them. For days in the forest without food and sleep they had an accident and died. They fell down from a high place. First Kris and later Lisanne. I know this case very well.
@OnceTheyNamedMeiWasnt
@OnceTheyNamedMeiWasnt 3 года назад
This music is really disturbing. I love it.
@antoniamejia9424
@antoniamejia9424 2 года назад
Q dejen cámaras por todo el camino y así puedan saber q ay ahí q pasa en ese lugar
@northjuzk8451
@northjuzk8451 2 года назад
En esa selva hay cosas extrañas uno se siente observado y hay presencias naturales como si la selva se moviera como algo vivo y me refiero a algo vivo de verdad como un ser. y a la ves algo magico creo que hay se esconde muchos secretos y todo el que ha ido tiene que haberlo notado no es cualquier lugar del mundo.
@danielliccien1954
@danielliccien1954 2 года назад
Dicen que los espíritus hacen perder a las personas te hacer recorrer en círculos ..pero lo de las joven es raro porque con agua fueran soportado mas tiempo y sus cuerpos estarían mas completos así que ?
@sandraisabelenriquezmera2057
@sandraisabelenriquezmera2057 3 года назад
Camino hacia el terror 😱😱
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX 3 года назад
😂😂😂
@leonciohidalgohidalgo5537
@leonciohidalgohidalgo5537 3 года назад
Allí está la muerte siempre mirando. Es como un espíritu que mira siempre.este paisaje está embrujado
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX 3 года назад
En la casa o en cualquiera calle, tambien esta la muerte mirando
@franciscoarce8224
@franciscoarce8224 3 года назад
@@SCROSSNX no trates de esconder lo que hai pasó solo para no afectar el turismo
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX 3 года назад
@@franciscoarce8224 bla bla bla
@franciscoarce8224
@franciscoarce8224 3 года назад
@@SCROSSNX payaso
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX 3 года назад
@@franciscoarce8224 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@aszul1527
@aszul1527 5 лет назад
Hola. Habrá un video donde esté de principio a fin ese camino donde se perdieron las holandesas, me gustaría verlo todo. Saludos desde México 🇲🇽
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX 5 лет назад
Buen dia, busque uno que dice, la ruta de las holandesas, su ultima caminata, saludos
@aszul1527
@aszul1527 5 лет назад
@@SCROSSNX gracias 👍 👍 👍
@ferrvall1500
@ferrvall1500 5 лет назад
Buen ritual...
@javierzepeda7386
@javierzepeda7386 4 года назад
Las holandesas la violaron y depues las mataron el gobieno de Panamá tapas todo para no perder el turismo
@clauromero7556
@clauromero7556 4 года назад
@@javierzepeda7386 mira aquí una investigación en español con los posibles involucrados en homicidio te dejo el link koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and.html
@VictorHugo-id9il
@VictorHugo-id9il 2 года назад
Hice ese recorrido hace un mes impulsado por lo que he leído sobre el hecho de las holandesas en 2014, es una ruta con increíbles paisajes, es hermosa.
@karinaperez8519
@karinaperez8519 5 лет назад
Bellisimo el lugar yo soy amante de la naturaleza esplendido gracias yo me lo imaginaba asi al pianista .
@ottogalindo6377
@ottogalindo6377 4 года назад
Pero es lindo pero traicionero
@ellobo.8775
@ellobo.8775 3 года назад
No visite ese lugar esta lleno de asesinatos
@franciscoarce8224
@franciscoarce8224 3 года назад
@@ellobo.8775 o fastasmas
@lyonduart3131
@lyonduart3131 3 года назад
No te vayas a no ser que vayas con 5 amigos por favor, es muy peligroso hay muchas desapariciones y el gobierno lo niega todo.
@franciscoarce8224
@franciscoarce8224 3 года назад
@@lyonduart3131 que miedo internarse en esa jungla ahí hay muchos seres paranormales
@azz782
@azz782 2 года назад
El te ve pero tu no lo ves pero esta esperando a ver cual es el siguiente insensato gue se confia
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX 2 года назад
Jajajajajajajjajajajjajajajajajaj offfi
@elenamiranda9193
@elenamiranda9193 3 года назад
Qué lugar donde se perdieron las 2 holandesa
@user-es7cw1xu5d
@user-es7cw1xu5d 2 года назад
Min 0:23 las piedras no se deben pintar con pintura. Hay que dejarlas al natural. Afean visualmente el paisaje. Coloquen señalizaciones de madera
@abdielabrego117
@abdielabrego117 5 лет назад
hola a todo soy de panama y soy de chiriqui y vivo en boquete y no me atrevo entra ese bosque aunque me pague es muy bonito el paisaje pero ay mucha cosa oculta y escondida.
@javierzepeda544
@javierzepeda544 5 лет назад
no se oculta nada si no ahí gente maldita de chiriqui que violan y matan a extranjero s y luego engañan al mundo malditos que le hicieron las holandesas irán al infierno y su conciencia no los dejará tranquilos asesinos violadores ojo no todos ahí gente buena pero los que las violaron las holandesas y mataron los espera el infierno
@javierzepeda544
@javierzepeda544 5 лет назад
abdiel Ojalá puedas ver estos mensajes y que te des cuenta que no existen caníbales y la gente de ahí vieron subir un carro 4×4 después de que subieron las holandesas pero el Gobierno no hizo nada para atrapar a esos asesinos porque sabe que iva afectar el turismo pero ahí un Dios esos violadores asesinos su conciencia lo perturbara por el resto de sus vidas y después de muertos los espera el infierno malditos
@rojevega4557
@rojevega4557 5 лет назад
No generalises Gorge
@rojevega4557
@rojevega4557 5 лет назад
Pero estoy de acuerdo contigo que el govierno no quiso hacer todo para encontrar a esos canallas le hecharon la culpa al rio a la naturalesa que comodos verda
@javierzepeda544
@javierzepeda544 5 лет назад
@@rojevega4557 ahí está el asesino lo más lamentable es que no hubo justicia con las holandesas Dios los tenga en su gloria pero a esos asesinos violadores abra justicia divina
@katyquintero2653
@katyquintero2653 2 года назад
El pianista😱😱😱
@mariacerceno128
@mariacerceno128 3 года назад
Solo espero que los visitantes que incursionan por nuestros senderos no dejen la basura de sus snacks y demás en la maleza..que aprendan a ser limpios y ordenados con la naturaleza en sus paseos
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX 3 года назад
Hasta que al fin un comentario digno de alabar, hermoso su comentario
@lyonduart3131
@lyonduart3131 3 года назад
La basura es problema terciario siendo que asesinos y violadores asechan mujeres ahí.
@normagimenez1730
@normagimenez1730 2 года назад
No dejen basura pero sí personas.? 🙏😖
@mariacerceno128
@mariacerceno128 2 года назад
Disculpen pero independientemente de que a estás pobres chicas holandesas les halla pasado ese percance tan horrible..que hasta para mí es detestable y deseo con todo mi corazón que agarren a los asesinos(porque fueron más de uno pienso yo los que las asesinaron)...no aplaudo el que tiren basura en la naturaleza..en las quebradas o ríos...la naturaleza no tiene la culpa de las inepitudes del ser humano
@elsacaruso566
@elsacaruso566 Год назад
Solo entraría ahí con un ejército y bien armado.
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX Год назад
jajajjjjajjajajajajja, bien pue
@jorb8572
@jorb8572 3 года назад
Tourist should stay away from Panama and only return in exchange for solving the Kris and Lisanne case.
@mikemoreno4469
@mikemoreno4469 3 года назад
Muchas gracias, muy interesante. Si sigues estando en la región, me gustaría mucho ver el comienzo del sendero desde el punto donde empieza a partir de la carretera hasta unos 500 metros adentro.
@illegalquantity
@illegalquantity 4 года назад
Fantasctic hike! But do you always go there when it's rainy? That music is not my style.
@catherinebrau3523
@catherinebrau3523 Год назад
The horror, the horror
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX Год назад
Llora
@joxecalde3105
@joxecalde3105 3 года назад
Con solo ver el vídeo se siente como una presencia extraña,como que alguien los observa,da escalofríos.me daría algo de temor entrar ahí,saludos...🤚
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX 3 года назад
Buen día, en realidad da es risa ese sendero. No le veo mas nada que belleza escénica, muy hermoso sendero
@domynio27
@domynio27 3 года назад
Ese sendero es muy hermoso sobre todo en la época en que logras avistar quetzales su canto es hermoso único e inolvidable, yo hace unos años en otro sendero no muy lejano (Sendero Los Quetzales) logré avista una pareja de quetzales y escuchar su largo y único canto, y cuando ellas cantan siempre otras aves que estén cerca cantan también, por esa razón el Sendero El Pianista se nombró así porque era como escuchar una filarmónica de aves en determinada época del año. Agrego un dato el quetzal es el ave nacional de Guatemala, su nombre se usó para denominar su moneda y su imagen para su bandera nacional, pero hasta dónde sé ya no hay en Guatemala, y solo en Panamá y Costa Rica se puede hacer avistamiento de esa hermosa ave.
@franciscoarce8224
@franciscoarce8224 3 года назад
Con solo cierto se ve espeluznante
@lunabichito6383
@lunabichito6383 2 года назад
Increíble pense ke había sido la unica en experimentae esa sensación tan fea.
@martzdeivi6360
@martzdeivi6360 2 года назад
@@SCROSSNX Entonces Porque Pones Ese Sonido Ridículo?
@deepcoolclear
@deepcoolclear 5 лет назад
They got lost on the opposite side going down towards bocas del toro. They should have returned towards boquete but for whatever reason they went down the dangerous side. At that time it was unmarked. Now at the top there is a sign that says end of trial, turn around. Very sad story.
@ScotmanUK2000
@ScotmanUK2000 5 лет назад
I agree with what you said. I've read countless articles on this and looked for maps and directions the girls went in. I managed to find a video where Kris' parents even walked the same path. It's under "Lisanne Froon disappearance route" on RU-vid.i also managed to find Lisanne' s brother, Martin who got to the top of the mountain. The video is in Dutch but you can See in the video in some places it's very misty and foggy and it clears up later on. Being part if a rain forest/jungle. Could it be it was foggy in some areas of that day and the girls went down the wrong side? It's such a tragedy but there's also something at the back of my mind pointing in the direction of foul play. So many unanswered questions. I hope the girls souls rest in peace are in a better place. I can't even imagine how hard it was for them to realise how unforgiving the jungle is.
@profd65
@profd65 5 лет назад
I've studied this case a great deal, and I think it's very possible that Kris and Lisanne didn't know that once you reach the summit you're supposed to turn around and go down the way you came up. The El Pianista trail does not end at the summit, it continues on down the other side and after several days travel reaches an Indian town. Unless Kris and Lisanne had been specifically advised to turn around at the top by a Boquete local or by a website, it would not have been obvious that that's what they were supposed to do. They had no guide. There's not a great deal of information on El Pianista online, and there was probably less four years ago. Also, there was a language barrier at play--the ladies spoke Dutch while most of the stuff written or spoken about El Pianista would have been in Spanish or English. I believe they thought you're supposed to follow the trail down the other side of the mountain, and they probably also (reasoning by analogy) thought that it would take about as long to get down that side as it took them to get up the other side--about three hours. And it was about three hours after beginning their descent that they made their first distress calls. In fact, once it got late in the afternoon and they realized it would be dark soon, in their minds they had reached a point of no return: they knew they didn't have enough daylight to turn around, reach the summit again and go down the way they came up, and so they probably accelerated their pace downhill, hoping to reach the valley before dark, and sadly this made matters much worse. It's difficult to say, but they might not have even been truly lost when they made their first 9-11 calls; they may have gotten lost only later in the evening by travelling desperately in low light and darkness in an attempt to avoid spending the night in the jungle, perhaps leaving the trail and taking "shortcuts."
@profd65
@profd65 5 лет назад
@@ScotmanUK2000 The thing is the girls may not have known that they were descending the "wrong" side. Everybody on RU-vid seems to thinks it obvious that once you summit you should turn around and go back the way you came. Why?? What's so obvious about it? These RU-vidrs don't realize that the El Pianista trail does not abruptly end at the summit, it continues on down the other side. The pictures of Kris on the "wrong" side--she's still on the El Pianista trail. Unless somebody specifically told you to turn around at the summit and return the way you came, it would not be obvious that that's what you're supposed to do.
@candykrith1232
@candykrith1232 5 лет назад
They are confused direction
@mentoncouve
@mentoncouve 4 года назад
But the parents said there was nowhere else to go but up the trail and back.
@pincems9257
@pincems9257 3 года назад
Some tourist were gone... Misteriously..
@rosaarosemena5610
@rosaarosemena5610 3 года назад
Algo esclarofiante pasa en ese sitio al ver el video me dio miedo ese lugar se esconden algo peligroso y los oxerban hay Dios
@franciscoarce8224
@franciscoarce8224 3 года назад
Cierto
@yeseniaaguilar8887
@yeseniaaguilar8887 3 года назад
Pense que era la unica 😨
@elenamiranda9193
@elenamiranda9193 2 года назад
Pero si en otros videos que se relatan sobre las jovenes desaparecidas ,los que viven cerca d por allí las oyen gritar en la junglas
@user-pq9jg5wz6j
@user-pq9jg5wz6j Год назад
Слава Богу, что остались живы)))))
@PamCudal
@PamCudal 3 года назад
How high is the Mirador?
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX 3 года назад
1900 msnm
@deiviscisneros4721
@deiviscisneros4721 2 года назад
cuando buelves a ir al sendero
@JorgeGonzalez-ls6lj
@JorgeGonzalez-ls6lj 2 года назад
El hijo de Feliciano (guía de la zona) y su grupo de amigos fueron los culpables. El mismo día que subieron ese mismo día fueron capturadas. Aproximadamente 1 hora antes de su primer intento de llamada de auxilio por celular. Hay un blog en internet en idioma ingles que está muy muy extenso. Pero está muy interesante. Por qué habla de la expareja de uno de ellos. Declaró como testigo y se tuvo que cambiar de país. Ella dice que si fueron ellos los culpables. Y los que querían hablar eran privados de sus vidas .
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX 2 года назад
Vaya al ministerio público y denuncielos ya
@JorgeGonzalez-ls6lj
@JorgeGonzalez-ls6lj 2 года назад
@@SCROSSNX estoy en otro país, si no si. La mayoría están muertos. Pero si se que solo quedan 3 hombres vivos de todo ese grupo. Uno de ellos encarcelado por violar a otra mujer en la zona de LAS CALDERAS
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX 2 года назад
@@JorgeGonzalez-ls6lj manda las pruebas a alguien de panama que pueda ir al ministerio público
@JorgeGonzalez-ls6lj
@JorgeGonzalez-ls6lj 2 года назад
@@SCROSSNX tú eres de Panamá?? Ya intenté poner links aquí y no me deja.
@virginiamelendez6510
@virginiamelendez6510 2 года назад
¿Cual es el nombre del blog y en que parte de internet se ubica?
@user-me5oe3ee1i
@user-me5oe3ee1i 3 года назад
Какой кайф, в этом дерме ходить ПУСТЬ ЗЕМЛЯ ИМ БУДЕТ ПУХОМ ЖАЛКО ДЕВУШЕК
@user-me5oe3ee1i
@user-me5oe3ee1i 2 года назад
@СветЛана лбди не думают головой не понятно что у них в голове как вабще можна ходить по таким тропом что в енипте тунисе турции там девок похищают раз два и опчёося и один хер прут
@user-me5oe3ee1i
@user-me5oe3ee1i 2 года назад
@СветЛана Хосе Мануэль Мургас; Хорхе Ривера Миранда ;Осман венесуэла и самый главный Хенри Елизер Гонсалес сын гида фелециана у меня есть фото их трупов из них тока жив сын гида они девушек похители держали в хижине патом в пещере глумились над ними а потом убили и расчленили а сам гид фелециано прекрывал жопу сваему сыну
@user-me5oe3ee1i
@user-me5oe3ee1i 2 года назад
У меня есть даже фото где сын гида глумится над девушкой за год до таво как крис и лисан приехали в панаму
@user-me5oe3ee1i
@user-me5oe3ee1i 2 года назад
@СветЛана долго расказывать когда османа нашли мертвым а убил его сын гида у него в телефоне была фотка где на водопале купались крис и лисан осман, хорхе ривера миранда а фоткал их на купание агида в телефоне у османа была записано крис они подружились но сам осман не ожидал что сын гида такое сделает осман хоть и состоял в банде но помагал искать крис и лисан когда они пропали
@user-me5oe3ee1i
@user-me5oe3ee1i 2 года назад
@СветЛана была свидетельница её пахарь состоял в это банде ей дали убежище в коста рике
@lazycalm41
@lazycalm41 5 лет назад
I have watched similar on YT about this tragic case of these 2 beautiful young girls. Nothing feels right, nothing adds up. Why would they have walked so far off the trail? without proper supplies, knowledge or clothing. Why were only a handful of the cameras photos released to the press? Why the deleted image 509? Why no larger remains found? no skulls? no other clothing? How was the backpack that was handed in by villagers in such good condition and dry after 72 days in the jungle? How were the phones as such..and the camera? Why did the girls remove their bras and place them in the backpack? Why only a single water bottle? In my mind I have no doubt they met with terrifying and brutal deaths at the hands of some cruel local or a group of locals and were lured or forced off the trail then who knows what those poor girls went through before they died. The blue backpack was planted there along with other evidence to throw off the investigation. The whole case stinks of a typical South American corrupt country covering its own ass. I hope they rest in peace and I hope the 2 families find inner peace one day too!
@emilyruiz2134
@emilyruiz2134 5 лет назад
I am obsessed with this case but i will never know what happened 💔
@Leo-eb1wl
@Leo-eb1wl 3 года назад
The photos that were released clearly shows that they went beyond the pianista trail. The last photo of Kris standing on a rock looking back at camera is around a 70min walk from el mirador which is where the pianista trail ends. So they definitely entered beyond where they should have. About 2 hours beyond there are several trails and it can get very confusing. The girls become lost tried to call for help but there was no signal. With only an hour of daylight left they decide the best way to get out is to just head down hill, as the start point of the trail is cleared farm land they probably believed if the just kept heading down they would get out. After a day or two of walking through the night as the first night they would be way to scared to stop. They would have continued walking with phone light guiding them and eventually came across the monkey bridge at rio culebra. All items and bones recovered were from this bridge downward about 4 kilometres. I believe they decided to stay here and wait for rescue. They probably washed themselves in the water an slept on the massive boulders that lined the river bank. As the river creates a clearing in the forest any aerial search would most likely see them ( in their minds). As the days go by they become weaker and weaker, no food for days, constant fear and poor sleep. The night photos show papers and a branch with red plastic attached most likely to signal helicopter which was searching the area on the 7th of April. I believe on the 5/6th of April Kris either slipped hitting her head or became critically ill. They would have removed their bras because wearing a bra for 7 days straight would become very uncomfortable and as they would have lost some weight bras would not have fit properly anyway. We don’t know that they only had one bottle of water, one bottle was all that was found in the bag however they may have had another one they were using to collect water from river which was washed away. I would say that with Kris in a very bad way on the 7th when Lisanne heard the helicopter further up on the pianista trail side she probably used the last of her energy to frantically wave the stick with the red plastic in the hope they would spot her and in doing so slipped and broke her foot ( autopsy revealed foot was broken before she died ). As night fell although in agony she had no more energy and fell asleep next to Kris in the rock. As the first heavy rains began to fall in the first hours of the 8th the odd drop of water falling from the leaves above woke her up. Still fresh in her mind that rescuers were looking near them using helicopters she grabbed her camera sitting up and began taking photos after a couple of photos Lisanne was so weak she couldn’t even hold her arm up and accidentally took a photo of the back of Kris’s head, so she laid back down with the camera on her chest and just kept taking photos with the camera point up toward the gap in tree above the river hoping someone would see the flashes. I believe Kris was most likely dead at this point and Lisanne was dying slowly also. The 70 odd attempts to activate Kris’s phone between the 8th and the 11th was probably Lisanne trying to leave a message for her family. Soon after she died leaving the phone on until the battery died. They lay there on the rock decomposing for many weeks and then a massive flash flood occurred which rose the river level life a day picking up the bag and decayed bodies and washed them down stream bouncing around with thousands of small boulders on the way, the backpack floating on top and as the water level went down quickly the bag was left in the rice field and the bone scattered along the banks of the river. The skulls being round would have continued tumbling down river and probably ended up many miles down. That’s what I think happened. The murder hypothesis is just way too sofisticado and so much unnecessary details and calls for help. People go missing in national parks all the time never to be found again. If locals killed them they would take the money in the bag bury the bodies and everything else somewhere far away from civilians and nearby townships and no one would be the wiser. All the evidence in this case leans heavily to death by jungle. Plus panama is a beautiful country and quite safe especially around boquete.
@lazycalm41
@lazycalm41 3 года назад
@@Leo-eb1wl Your'e somewhat clinical and very convenient analysis makes you sound like a Panama tourism promoter sadly and I don't buy the 'lost in the jungle' theory one bit. Neither do many others on here. Why was photo 509 deleted permanently by computer? Why did the girls not record any video or voice messages when they were still able to? If your flash flood happened how was the back pack found in such clean and dry condition. A Flash flood sufficient to smash human remains to pieces would have easily destroyed 2 mobile phones and 1 Canon camera! Why were Kris's shorts found neatly folded on a rock? Where are the rest of the girls clothing? Why was Kris's Hip bone found bleached? Do flash floods contain bleach?
@Leo-eb1wl
@Leo-eb1wl 3 года назад
@@lazycalm41 it’s not convenient, and I am not a Panamanian promoter, though it is a great country. Look to be honest I used think these girls were murdered too and it really bothered me. So I went all in, not all in watching RU-vid conspiracy theories. I read every article and testimony during search and post discovery, not someone’s translation from Spanish to Dutch to English. The more I read and analysed the all the evidence the less convinced I was that this was foul play. Obviously nobody alive ( unless of course they were murdered) knows exactly what happened. However I feel there any many people who completely disregard the getting lost theory because of some things that are strange to explain when with the murder theory there are way more strange things are are hard to explain. Also there is a lot of misinformation out there. I will try and answer your questions. In regards to leaving messages for loved one’s this is usually done when someone is almost certain of death and alone. I don’t believe in that first few days the girls thought they were going to die, I think assumed there would be people looking for them. Maybe if Lisanne was able to get into Kris’s phone in the couple of days leading up to the 11th the phone died, she may well have left a message if she had been able too. However I don’t think this indicates foul play as some people leave messages some don’t. The flash flood The flash flood happens regularly, pretty much every time it rains heavily on that mountain range and there were 2 days in particular in June that were really heavy double that of any other day during that 10 week period. Explaining the bag v bodies part isn’t that complicated, if you look at the surface of a steep fast flowing river that is experiencing a flash flood there are no rocks on the surface the move below the surface. The bag which is made of nylon would be float on top while the ( badly decayed ) bodies would be dragged under up and under, plus if you have seen images of the culebra river there are hundreds of boulders stuck in the river that anything going down would hit. All bones, bag and other evidence were found scattered over 4 miles down the sides of the river. The bag being buoyant made it all the way down to the rice field. While the bones being heavier and easier to snag were further up the river. No doubt in the river there would still be bones, but this search was never done as it is virtually impossible to do. ‘ bleached bones’ Bleached bones doesn’t mean actual bleach was used, it refers to the colour of the bone, bleached bones are common with bodies that decay in the sun, not in moist forests so much. Where the monkey bridge is there is plenty of sun no trees grow in the river so the large boulders are exposed to sunlight for quite a few hours each day. Also it wasn’t Kris’s pelvis that was bleached it was one of her ribs, her pelvis was yellow and showed normal decay color. The 28 bones found of Lisanne were all in her shoe so they were also protected from sunlight and decayed much slower. The thinnest part of flesh is over the rib cage so if Kris was dead laying on her back the ribs would be exposed to the sun really quickly. Kris’s shorts The indigenous women who found the shorts in her official statement said she found them in the water, somehow later it was changed to neatly folded on a rock. So who knows The lady from alto Romero who found the bag, also said that phones, passport and money we inside a closed plastic bag inside the backpack when she found it. The bras, glasses and camera were not, however the camera was in a hard camera case that was water resistant. Something to note with boquete region is it is almost always windy, so even if rains during the night or for a day if there is a break in the weather things dry out really quickly, that is why you don’t see mould growth on the rocks that line the river. Now you may not want to except any of these possibilities which is fine, many people have convinced themselves of what happened and aren’t open to other possibilities. So I will put this to you. Let’s say they were murdered. Why were there multiple call attempts over 8-9 days made to both 112 and 911. If your reasoning is that the murders were trying to create the narrative of them being lost... how did they know the to call the Dutch number?? Why do it for over a week, I mean a couple of days would have been enough. Why didn’t these murders take the money? I mean it wouldn’t have been suspicious if there was no money found in the bag as there are no shops on the mountain. Why in the night photos 8 days after they went missing are there images of a stick that clearly looks like a device to help aerial search see them and papers on the rock spelling out something large that would be only read easily from above. Name me another murder case that is as sophisticated and well planned out. Then 10 weeks after, when the investigation is dead and no more searches are being done they decide to dump all the bones and then place a bag in a rice paddy to be found. And you think my theory is unrealistic?? In any case I don’t want this to be ugly, it makes me sad that these bright young girls lost their live in their prime. If more evidence was introduced that led me to believe they were murdered I would not hesitate to change my mind, but as it stands I’m of the they got lost theory.
@Leo-eb1wl
@Leo-eb1wl 3 года назад
@@lazycalm41 sorry one other thing just quickly. In 2016 a group of three tourist were doing the pianista trail, one of which was a Colombia girl, she became separated from the other 2 as she stopped for a few minutes to rest and said she would catch up. She never did, the other 2 who were on the trail looked for her but she was nowhere to be found so they went straight back down and alerted authorities who unlike in 2014 responded straight away flying in 200 search personnel and 2 helicopters, she was found 18 hours after the next day, healthy. She did however sleep the night in the jungle. The other two knew more or less where they got separated but it still took 18 hours to find her. I don’t care how many people say it’s easy and really hard to get lost, it is simply not true, especially if you continue past the mirador ( lookout )
@MagicalBikeRide
@MagicalBikeRide 3 года назад
Kris and Lisanne
@lucjuandeleon6561
@lucjuandeleon6561 2 года назад
Que guías hay para ir allá?
@isaacptyoficial
@isaacptyoficial 2 года назад
Yo
@lucjuandeleon6561
@lucjuandeleon6561 2 года назад
@СветЛана González?
@scubamarilu
@scubamarilu 3 года назад
Alli no se entra con zapatillas, hay que ir preparado, compren hiking boots.
@candykrith1232
@candykrith1232 4 года назад
I wanna go there
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX 4 года назад
Is a beautiful place
@nicolevalencia3106
@nicolevalencia3106 3 года назад
Me too! But now i'm afraid to go alone or with just a friend
@eyraclarisse144
@eyraclarisse144 2 года назад
Never go alone, better with a group AND with a gun. Just in case. Two nice dutch girls were killed there.
@eyraclarisse144
@eyraclarisse144 2 года назад
Police is corrupt as in most parts of Latín América. There are many other beautiful places to visit without having to risk your own life. Although I think you'll be SAFE travelling with a group AND if you are in a forest never separate from someone else. Just watch what happens when you do in "Missing Persons" and "411".
@arielgonzalez4412
@arielgonzalez4412 2 года назад
@@eyraclarisse144 si las mataron pero no se sabe quien o que las mato porque sólo aparecieron las zapatillas con el pie. Y no se sabe el lugar exacto de donde murieron donde estaban las zapatillas no fue aparentemente donde murieron.
@ottogalindo6377
@ottogalindo6377 4 года назад
El mismo espíritu te dice sal de acá de inmediato no entiendo a las holandesas de verdad
@aquayard8177
@aquayard8177 3 года назад
It s a tarffiking area beware
@bernyrodriguez8841
@bernyrodriguez8841 2 года назад
Entraron y salieron y no les pasó nada esto s una burla paró los familiares d las holandesas más respeto
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX 2 года назад
Y quieres que nos pase algo a nosotros? Babieco
@antoniamejia9424
@antoniamejia9424 2 года назад
Si
@gfexc
@gfexc 5 лет назад
Ella para dónde iba con esos pantalones?
@nicolevalencia3106
@nicolevalencia3106 3 года назад
Jajaja lo mismo opino yo 😂
@mariaisabelalemanrios9801
@mariaisabelalemanrios9801 2 года назад
Chicos así se visten los Europeos, no extrañemos ... Asi caminan comodos.
@virginiamelendez6510
@virginiamelendez6510 2 года назад
Ropa cómoda para caminar. Lo que pasa es que muchos latinos cuando ven a una mujer vestida así creen que anda buscando un hombre. Que mentes tan retrasadas.
@telleliselenacasarrubiaizq1631
@telleliselenacasarrubiaizq1631 5 дней назад
Soy colombiano pero bajo mi no me gusta caminar, ni conocer los bosques, selvas, eso a mi no me gusta son misterio osos y tenebroso, en esos lugares se refugian personas con malos pensamiento, personas que esperan la oportunidad de aprovechar de estas ocasión, no ombe y solo jamás, ni en compañía, cuando me convivan yo digo iiiiraaa para que me pase algo por halla, ni estoy ni me demoro todos esos lugares turísticos suceden esas cosas
@SCROSSNX
@SCROSSNX 4 дня назад
Y entonces? Que hago? Me quedo en mi casa durmiendo y engordandome como un pendejo?
@evelinpene5437
@evelinpene5437 Год назад
No veo nada en ese lugar que no se vea en otro lugar un monte un camino solo es todo lo que veo montañas y que al final se ve el mar
@ginag5500
@ginag5500 5 лет назад
Antes de comentar la gente debería aprender a escribir, digo para entenderles mejor sus ocurrencias! 🙄
@javierzepeda7386
@javierzepeda7386 4 года назад
Aqui secuestraron violaron y depues asesianron las pobre holandesas malditos los que hiceron eso iran al imfierno
@clauromero7556
@clauromero7556 4 года назад
@@javierzepeda7386 tienes la boca llena de razón las autoridades encubrieron el homicidio
@javierzepeda7386
@javierzepeda7386 4 года назад
@@clauromero7556 pues si fuerob violadas y despues asesinadas y siempre lo sostendre
@clauromero7556
@clauromero7556 4 года назад
@@javierzepeda7386 te recomiendo el blog de Scarlet está en español y todo apunta a Feliciano pero más haya de el a su hijo y sus amigos ! Al parecer está involucrado en pandillas
@raulincolon2093
@raulincolon2093 3 года назад
@@clauromero7556 savia que el viejo despravado estava en volucrado ece asarozo
@Sandoz-tq7qj
@Sandoz-tq7qj 8 месяцев назад
Why use this music to make this beautiful trail horrible ? This is UNFAIR.
@poposerrud227
@poposerrud227 3 года назад
X ay pasaron las holandesa esta bien raro y q ay mas para aya despues donde Indica la señal
@evelinpene5437
@evelinpene5437 Год назад
No vayan a ese lugar tan solo y peligroso
@LOSACOMOJADO
@LOSACOMOJADO 5 лет назад
El camino NO se ve tan duro y hay muchos palo a pique (cercas)...no comprendo como es que se extraviaron. Aunque a veces creo que alguna vaca las persiguió o hirió a alguna chica por eso huyeron.
@javierzepeda7386
@javierzepeda7386 4 года назад
No ellas la secuestraron la sacaron de ese lugar y la. Violaron y depues la asesinaron malditos asesinos pobre chicas ami me ha roto el corazon nomas de pensar como las castigaron pero iran al infierno los que hicieron eso
@clauromero7556
@clauromero7556 4 года назад
La asesinaron fueron secuestradas y asesinadas por el guía y su hijo , las fotos y supuesta búsqueda todo fue montado para que hacer parecer que fue un accidente.
@anyroses
@anyroses 3 года назад
O alguien la atacó
@LolyUZ
@LolyUZ 3 года назад
Marcos Piña. Según tengo entendido, lo que muestran en este vídeo es el camino permitido para los turistas, incluso se ve al final el letrero de retorno, quizás por eso no se ve tan duro. Pero, las chicas holandesas cuando ellas terminaron de recorrer este sendero, se adentraron a explorar en la selva mucho más allá del camino permitido para los turistas. Se aventuraron a ir por zonas que ya no debieron ser fáciles de recorrer. Eso es lo que han dicho en muchos otros vídeos y documentales sobre el caso.
@daviddavisitojr2328
@daviddavisitojr2328 3 года назад
@@clauromero7556 serio q locura
@user-yd2gn2zl5z
@user-yd2gn2zl5z Месяц назад
Ay están los asesinos no confíen en nadie asta el mismo que inscribió que era de Panamá puede ser el asesino
Далее
Casi MUERO subiendo el VOLCAN BARÚ en Panamá
29:07
Просмотров 44 тыс.
Best ASMR 😳
00:26
Просмотров 19 тыс.
SENDERO EL PIANISTA - BOQUETE, CHIRIQUÍ
1:48
Просмотров 25 тыс.
TRAVESIA HACIA PIEDRAS ROJAS
26:12
Просмотров 26 тыс.
Boquete, Chiriquí, Panamá (CINEMATIC 360)
4:32
Просмотров 3,5 тыс.
Best ASMR 😳
00:26
Просмотров 19 тыс.