because every champion brings something new and understands something new technically. schumacher together with its technical staff has sensed the potential of the exhaust gases. this gave him an exaggerated advantage over the competition. F1 was a great sport for this reason, we were pushing forward generation after generation.
MS. The greatest Scumbag in the history of F1. Period. What Johnny mentions is only the tip of the ICEBURG! of what both MS & Ferrari did to help just him win races.... Many rules & regulations today are a direct result of their Cheating attempts...
Schumacher had 15 years straight in F1 against Senna's 10 years ...in 15 years Schumacher only made 68 poles while Senna made 65 in 10 years .. really the fastest driver in the world was and remains Senna ..
I guess you forgot that alot of the qualifying in Michael's day was on race fuel so he was generally quicker still.... Actually proves michael was even better than senna.....
Three people who worked with both Ayrton and Michael: Pat Symonds on Senna, Schumacher, Alonso “Fernando was incredibly competitive, had the same total self-esteem of Ayrton and Michael. They know they are the best. He was a great racer, not quite as outright quick as Michael, maybe, but still very, very quick. At the times I worked with them I’d say Michael was the quickest, then Fernando, then Ayrton." www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/march-2017/28/pat-symonds-senna-schumacher-alonso Giorgio Ascanelli (from James Allen's book: The Edge Of Greatness) mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24351646/povecaj Joan Villadelprat mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24406576/povecaj Joan Villadelprat on Senna and Schumacher: "Senna was in the best team, which was at that time, with 100 more horses than us who had the Ford-Cosworth engine, and we ate it ... until the accident came, but we were ahead in the championship. And it was not just because of Schumacher. It was one of these sweet moments, Benetton was in shape. In tire changes and pit-stops we were the fastest. In fact, we won several races for this. There was a change of regulation where we prepared ourselves better. It would have been nice to see the fight between Senna and Michael, but I am convinced that Michael would have won. Because seeing Senna, so many years and knowing him, knowing what it cost him, how he got out of the car, etc. and see Michael after races at 50 degrees, win them and get out of the car as if he had had a coffee ... The physical form that Michael had at that time and his mental strength, however natural Ayrton had, by a lot of skill, I would have overcome. For Ayrton it was a much greater effort than for Michael. " translate.google.si/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radio.cz%2Fes%2Frubrica%2Fpanorama%2Fjoan-villadelprat-con-ayrton-senna-tenia-la-conexion-de-ser-latinos&edit-text=
@@demdjen77 And dont forget, what Sir Frank Williams said: "Schumacher was the best, the one with more complete package, not just quick, but hardworkes as well."
Michael was better in almost every aspect than him. He was much better at racecraft and could win with a crap car. 68 poles 91 wins. Senna had 65 poles but 50 wins less. Senna could rarely win if he didnt start from the front. Michael could win from almost anywhere on the grid. Dont get caught up into the balony a Brit will never give credit to a German and thats a fact.
One of the most special moments in F1 history to me... very understimated... when Senna and Fangio meet themselves in the podium. The way Senna looks at him, and that hug... we can feel nothing but sincere love, respect and admiration. A very precious moment.
Three people who worked with both Ayrton and Michael: Pat Symonds on Senna, Schumacher, Alonso “Fernando was incredibly competitive, had the same total self-esteem of Ayrton and Michael. They know they are the best. He was a great racer, not quite as outright quick as Michael, maybe, but still very, very quick. At the times I worked with them I’d say Michael was the quickest, then Fernando, then Ayrton." www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/march-2017/28/pat-symonds-senna-schumacher-alonso Giorgio Ascanelli (from James Allen's book: The Edge Of Greatness) mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24351646/povecaj Joan Villadelprat mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24406576/povecaj Joan Villadelprat on Senna and Schumacher: "Senna was in the best team, which was at that time, with 100 more horses than us who had the Ford-Cosworth engine, and we ate it ... until the accident came, but we were ahead in the championship. And it was not just because of Schumacher. It was one of these sweet moments, Benetton was in shape. In tire changes and pit-stops we were the fastest. In fact, we won several races for this. There was a change of regulation where we prepared ourselves better. It would have been nice to see the fight between Senna and Michael, but I am convinced that Michael would have won. Because seeing Senna, so many years and knowing him, knowing what it cost him, how he got out of the car, etc. and see Michael after races at 50 degrees, win them and get out of the car as if he had had a coffee ... The physical form that Michael had at that time and his mental strength, however natural Ayrton had, by a lot of skill, I would have overcome. For Ayrton it was a much greater effort than for Michael. " translate.google.si/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radio.cz%2Fes%2Frubrica%2Fpanorama%2Fjoan-villadelprat-con-ayrton-senna-tenia-la-conexion-de-ser-latinos&edit-text=
@@demdjen77 yeah he was 33 or 36 micheal was?? how old? then why did they need traction control if they were better prepared ? listen to jos verstappen telling who had tc in 94! 👀
@@demdjen77 micheal lost to hill..to jaque..to alonso..he would have lost to kimi too...lost to mika... stop with these so beautiful bullshit ! who had over 50% poleposition of his races? and not always with the best car!!?? who? micheal schumacher the jordan of the f1... all about money! cheated with tc..with fuel..with tyres..with wider wings... not saying micheal wasnt quick..he was!... but give other people these privilegias and they will break every record too!
Senna's carrer was more intersting because the quality of the drivers he compete with. That was a fantastic group of drivers. Schumacher was a great driver, but Senna was the best.
Really? Three people who worked with both Ayrton and Michael: Pat Symonds on Senna, Schumacher, Alonso “Fernando was incredibly competitive, had the same total self-esteem of Ayrton and Michael. They know they are the best. He was a great racer, not quite as outright quick as Michael, maybe, but still very, very quick. At the times I worked with them I’d say Michael was the quickest, then Fernando, then Ayrton." www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/march-2017/28/pat-symonds-senna-schumacher-alonso Giorgio Ascanelli (from James Allen's book: The Edge Of Greatness) mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24351646/povecaj Joan Villadelprat mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24406576/povecaj Joan Villadelprat on Senna and Schumacher: "Senna was in the best team, which was at that time, with 100 more horses than us who had the Ford-Cosworth engine, and we ate it ... until the accident came, but we were ahead in the championship. And it was not just because of Schumacher. It was one of these sweet moments, Benetton was in shape. In tire changes and pit-stops we were the fastest. In fact, we won several races for this. There was a change of regulation where we prepared ourselves better. It would have been nice to see the fight between Senna and Michael, but I am convinced that Michael would have won. Because seeing Senna, so many years and knowing him, knowing what it cost him, how he got out of the car, etc. and see Michael after races at 50 degrees, win them and get out of the car as if he had had a coffee ... The physical form that Michael had at that time and his mental strength, however natural Ayrton had, by a lot of skill, I would have overcome. For Ayrton it was a much greater effort than for Michael. " translate.google.si/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radio.cz%2Fes%2Frubrica%2Fpanorama%2Fjoan-villadelprat-con-ayrton-senna-tenia-la-conexion-de-ser-latinos&edit-text=
Three people who worked with both Ayrton and Michael: Pat Symonds on Senna, Schumacher, Alonso “Fernando was incredibly competitive, had the same total self-esteem of Ayrton and Michael. They know they are the best. He was a great racer, not quite as outright quick as Michael, maybe, but still very, very quick. At the times I worked with them I’d say Michael was the quickest, then Fernando, then Ayrton." www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/march-2017/28/pat-symonds-senna-schumacher-alonso Giorgio Ascanelli (from James Allen's book: The Edge Of Greatness) mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24351646/povecaj Joan Villadelprat mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24406576/povecaj Joan Villadelprat on Senna and Schumacher: "Senna was in the best team, which was at that time, with 100 more horses than us who had the Ford-Cosworth engine, and we ate it ... until the accident came, but we were ahead in the championship. And it was not just because of Schumacher. It was one of these sweet moments, Benetton was in shape. In tire changes and pit-stops we were the fastest. In fact, we won several races for this. There was a change of regulation where we prepared ourselves better. It would have been nice to see the fight between Senna and Michael, but I am convinced that Michael would have won. Because seeing Senna, so many years and knowing him, knowing what it cost him, how he got out of the car, etc. and see Michael after races at 50 degrees, win them and get out of the car as if he had had a coffee ... The physical form that Michael had at that time and his mental strength, however natural Ayrton had, by a lot of skill, I would have overcome. For Ayrton it was a much greater effort than for Michael. " translate.google.si/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radio.cz%2Fes%2Frubrica%2Fpanorama%2Fjoan-villadelprat-con-ayrton-senna-tenia-la-conexion-de-ser-latinos&edit-text=
Schumacher 68 poles in 18 seasons. Sena 65 poles in 10 seasons. In equal cars Sena will always rule the track. "Racing is in my Blood, I put it above all else" God of Formula 1 Ayrton Sena.
@@MarshallGA12 They both were, but in Senna's era the cars were so unreliable that his sheer pace worked against him in several races. If Senna peaked in modern F1 he would be basically Hamilton 2.0
@@alexcla9445 Hamilton is in most dominating team in history, of course he is new recordman now... no team in history F1 had such big and long domination
@@MarshallGA12 I know. He is a phenomenal driver too, but he literally never had a mediocre car in his entire career, and had the absolute best for 7-8 seasons. Senna for example only had the absolute best car in 88 and 89, and he shared it with Alain Prost. In 1990 and 1991 McLaren was more or less on par with Ferrari and Willians. He drove 3 years for a mid tier team (Lotus) and 1 year for a garbage team (Toleman). Schumacher only had the absolute best car in 4-5 years (2000-2004). In 94-95 he had the best car but Williams was just as fast if not faster (it was more unreliable tho).
Senna was the first F1 driver to lead the team in total quality. He has a aura about him that was about total commitment, Every part of the team was 10/10 - car, driver, team, owner, manager etc. But what Schumacher did at Ferrari was amazing. Ferrari was in a down spell and Michael help re-invent the team to multiple titles - 8 I think. Senna was special in my opinion - he had everything but a long life.
It’s crazy to think that to even this day in 2021, we all are encapsulated by what Senna was, did and brought to f1! To me the comparison of goat talk is summed up perfectly here by Herbert! Usually, other drivers are butt hurt by the way they were decimated by other drivers achievements; yet I think Herbert here is spot on! For me results and stats only show part of the story...schuey and Lewis have those numbers in another planet and lead those by a country mile. But senna was the fastest. Now for me this is what makes senna the best he is Perhaps, the only driver in history, to not only win races in the fastest cars on the grid; but by some miracle, do it in sub par cars too. It’s that simple! His raw speed was alien. Now these days, young Max shows glimpses of that sort of built in talent, but nothing compared to what Senna achieved and what outright pace he had. Amazing. The best there was and the best there ever will be.
Three people who worked with both Ayrton and Michael: Pat Symonds on Senna, Schumacher, Alonso “Fernando was incredibly competitive, had the same total self-esteem of Ayrton and Michael. They know they are the best. He was a great racer, not quite as outright quick as Michael, maybe, but still very, very quick. At the times I worked with them I’d say Michael was the quickest, then Fernando, then Ayrton." www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/march-2017/28/pat-symonds-senna-schumacher-alonso Giorgio Ascanelli (from James Allen's book: The Edge Of Greatness) mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24351646/povecaj Joan Villadelprat mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24406576/povecaj Joan Villadelprat on Senna and Schumacher: "Senna was in the best team, which was at that time, with 100 more horses than us who had the Ford-Cosworth engine, and we ate it ... until the accident came, but we were ahead in the championship. And it was not just because of Schumacher. It was one of these sweet moments, Benetton was in shape. In tire changes and pit-stops we were the fastest. In fact, we won several races for this. There was a change of regulation where we prepared ourselves better. It would have been nice to see the fight between Senna and Michael, but I am convinced that Michael would have won. Because seeing Senna, so many years and knowing him, knowing what it cost him, how he got out of the car, etc. and see Michael after races at 50 degrees, win them and get out of the car as if he had had a coffee ... The physical form that Michael had at that time and his mental strength, however natural Ayrton had, by a lot of skill, I would have overcome. For Ayrton it was a much greater effort than for Michael. " translate.google.si/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radio.cz%2Fes%2Frubrica%2Fpanorama%2Fjoan-villadelprat-con-ayrton-senna-tenia-la-conexion-de-ser-latinos&edit-text= Was he a good sport? 1985 His determination to take pole at the Monaco Grand Prix had infuriated Alboreto and Niki Lauda; Senna had set a fast time early and was accused of deliberately baulking the other drivers by running more laps than necessary, a charge he rejected, though the accusations would continue in Canada when drivers accused him of running on the racing line when on his slow down lap forcing others on qualifiers to move off line and lose time.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tbNLHGJUGTQ.html 1986 De Angelis was replaced at Lotus by Scotland's Johnny Dumfries after Senna vetoed Derek Warwick from joining the team, saying that Lotus could not run competitive cars for two top drivers at the same time. Senna allegedly pushed for his former flatmate and fellow Brazilian Maurício Gugelmin to join the team as a pure number two driver, but the team's major sponsor John Player & Sons (JPS) insisted on a British driver which led to the signing of Dumfries. 1987 The team guaranteed Senna contractually preferential treatment over Nakajima in the allocation of equipment.Lotus used new secret helping electronics to win in 1987It was the "invention of the year" and the newest F1 thing in 1987 (computer controlled technique). It was designed for automatic acceleration and computerized traction control. Also an automatic, hydraulic wheel control was installed and many more like breaking control .. controlled by a black-box. It was a very big advantage, f.e. in the rain. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eDJX6LX8Iz8.html Adelaide 1987 Senna finished second but was later disqualified when post race scrutineering revealed oversized brake ducts on his Lotus. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ALMYI3vUiZg.html 1988 Brasil - Senna's first race for McLaren got off to a bad start when the cars gear selector broke on the grid, causing a restart. The Brazilian was eventually disqualified for switching to the spare car after the green flag had been waved following the warm-up lap. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q-4qD9clvL4.html Portugal - Prost made a slightly faster start than Senna, but the Brazilian dived into the first corner ahead. Prost responded and went to pass Senna at the end of the first lap. Senna swerved to block Prost, forcing the Frenchman to nearly run into the pit wall at 290 km/h (180 mph). Prost kept his foot down and soon edged Senna into the first corner and started pulling away. Though Prost was angered by Senna's manoeuvre, the Brazilian got away with a warning from the FIA. At the postrace team debrief, Prost voiced his anger at the move which prompted Senna to apologize to Prost for the incident. 1990 Suzuka - Senna secured the pole, but was unhappy with the side of the track it was situated on, claiming that pole should always be on the racing line. He and Gerhard Berger then went to the Japanese stewards, to request a change of position of pole to the cleaner left side of the track. The stewards initially agreed but an injunction by FISA president Jean Marie Balestre later that night rejected the decision and the original pole position remained on the dirtier, less grippy right side of the track. In addition, as revealed by F1 journalist, Maurice Hamilton, the FIA had warned that crossing the yellow line of the pit exit on the right to better position oneself at the first corner would have not been appropriate, further infuriating Senna.Some in the F1 paddock found Senna's complaints as strange given that the pole was actually on the same side of the track (the inside next to the pit wall) as it had been since the first Japanese Grand Prix held there in 1987. Many also noted that Senna had not complained about the position of the pole in either 1988 or 1989, both races he had started on pole and both races he was fighting Prost (who qualified 2nd in both years) for the World Championship. After this, Senna vowed that if Prost (starting second) got the advantage into the first corner, which most were sure he would, Senna would attempt to take the lead into the first corner, regardless of the consequences. At the beginning of the race, Prost pulled ahead of Senna, who immediately tried to repass Prost at the first corner. While Prost turned in, Senna kept his foot on the accelerator and the cars collided at 270 km/h (170 mph) and spun out of the race, making Senna world champion. 1992 At a test session for the German Grand Prix, Senna and Schumacher had a confrontation in the pits, with Senna grabbing Schumacher by the collar and accusing him of endangering him by blocking him on the track. But apparently it was ok when Senna gave Schumacher a "brake test" on the straights. 15 year old girl ( have you ever heard or read about Epstein? ) Senna then courted Adriane Yamin, daughter of an entrepreneur from São Paulo, who was 15 years old when they began the relationship in 1985 and often chaperoned by her mother during meetings with Senna. They were briefly engaged, but the relationship was broken off by Senna in late 1988. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayrton_Senna
Three people who worked with both Ayrton and Michael: Pat Symonds on Senna, Schumacher, Alonso “Fernando was incredibly competitive, had the same total self-esteem of Ayrton and Michael. They know they are the best. He was a great racer, not quite as outright quick as Michael, maybe, but still very, very quick. At the times I worked with them I’d say Michael was the quickest, then Fernando, then Ayrton." www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/march-2017/28/pat-symonds-senna-schumacher-alonso Giorgio Ascanelli (from James Allen's book: The Edge Of Greatness) mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24351646/povecaj Joan Villadelprat mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24406576/povecaj Joan Villadelprat on Senna and Schumacher: "Senna was in the best team, which was at that time, with 100 more horses than us who had the Ford-Cosworth engine, and we ate it ... until the accident came, but we were ahead in the championship. And it was not just because of Schumacher. It was one of these sweet moments, Benetton was in shape. In tire changes and pit-stops we were the fastest. In fact, we won several races for this. There was a change of regulation where we prepared ourselves better. It would have been nice to see the fight between Senna and Michael, but I am convinced that Michael would have won. Because seeing Senna, so many years and knowing him, knowing what it cost him, how he got out of the car, etc. and see Michael after races at 50 degrees, win them and get out of the car as if he had had a coffee ... The physical form that Michael had at that time and his mental strength, however natural Ayrton had, by a lot of skill, I would have overcome. For Ayrton it was a much greater effort than for Michael. " translate.google.si/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radio.cz%2Fes%2Frubrica%2Fpanorama%2Fjoan-villadelprat-con-ayrton-senna-tenia-la-conexion-de-ser-latinos&edit-text=
Three people who worked with both Ayrton and Michael: Pat Symonds on Senna, Schumacher, Alonso “Fernando was incredibly competitive, had the same total self-esteem of Ayrton and Michael. They know they are the best. He was a great racer, not quite as outright quick as Michael, maybe, but still very, very quick. At the times I worked with them I’d say Michael was the quickest, then Fernando, then Ayrton." www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/march-2017/28/pat-symonds-senna-schumacher-alonso Giorgio Ascanelli (from James Allen's book: The Edge Of Greatness) mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24351646/povecaj Joan Villadelprat mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24406576/povecaj Joan Villadelprat on Senna and Schumacher: "Senna was in the best team, which was at that time, with 100 more horses than us who had the Ford-Cosworth engine, and we ate it ... until the accident came, but we were ahead in the championship. And it was not just because of Schumacher. It was one of these sweet moments, Benetton was in shape. In tire changes and pit-stops we were the fastest. In fact, we won several races for this. There was a change of regulation where we prepared ourselves better. It would have been nice to see the fight between Senna and Michael, but I am convinced that Michael would have won. Because seeing Senna, so many years and knowing him, knowing what it cost him, how he got out of the car, etc. and see Michael after races at 50 degrees, win them and get out of the car as if he had had a coffee ... The physical form that Michael had at that time and his mental strength, however natural Ayrton had, by a lot of skill, I would have overcome. For Ayrton it was a much greater effort than for Michael. " translate.google.si/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radio.cz%2Fes%2Frubrica%2Fpanorama%2Fjoan-villadelprat-con-ayrton-senna-tenia-la-conexion-de-ser-latinos&edit-text=
@@edertoti1907 This quotations are absolutely incredible of reading. They are si unprecise about Senna's times that make me laugh. Senna wasn't in F1 when Turbo Cars competed against Cosworth Cars. He entered in 1984 when almost everybody has Turbo Cars. Incredible missinformation man.
Really? Three people who worked with both Ayrton and Michael: Pat Symonds on Senna, Schumacher, Alonso “Fernando was incredibly competitive, had the same total self-esteem of Ayrton and Michael. They know they are the best. He was a great racer, not quite as outright quick as Michael, maybe, but still very, very quick. At the times I worked with them I’d say Michael was the quickest, then Fernando, then Ayrton." www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/march-2017/28/pat-symonds-senna-schumacher-alonso Giorgio Ascanelli (from James Allen's book: The Edge Of Greatness) mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24351646/povecaj Joan Villadelprat mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24406576/povecaj Joan Villadelprat on Senna and Schumacher: "Senna was in the best team, which was at that time, with 100 more horses than us who had the Ford-Cosworth engine, and we ate it ... until the accident came, but we were ahead in the championship. And it was not just because of Schumacher. It was one of these sweet moments, Benetton was in shape. In tire changes and pit-stops we were the fastest. In fact, we won several races for this. There was a change of regulation where we prepared ourselves better. It would have been nice to see the fight between Senna and Michael, but I am convinced that Michael would have won. Because seeing Senna, so many years and knowing him, knowing what it cost him, how he got out of the car, etc. and see Michael after races at 50 degrees, win them and get out of the car as if he had had a coffee ... The physical form that Michael had at that time and his mental strength, however natural Ayrton had, by a lot of skill, I would have overcome. For Ayrton it was a much greater effort than for Michael. " translate.google.si/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radio.cz%2Fes%2Frubrica%2Fpanorama%2Fjoan-villadelprat-con-ayrton-senna-tenia-la-conexion-de-ser-latinos&edit-text=
Really? Three people who worked with both Ayrton and Michael: Pat Symonds on Senna, Schumacher, Alonso “Fernando was incredibly competitive, had the same total self-esteem of Ayrton and Michael. They know they are the best. He was a great racer, not quite as outright quick as Michael, maybe, but still very, very quick. At the times I worked with them I’d say Michael was the quickest, then Fernando, then Ayrton." www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/march-2017/28/pat-symonds-senna-schumacher-alonso Giorgio Ascanelli (from James Allen's book: The Edge Of Greatness) mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24351646/povecaj Joan Villadelprat mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24406576/povecaj Joan Villadelprat on Senna and Schumacher: "Senna was in the best team, which was at that time, with 100 more horses than us who had the Ford-Cosworth engine, and we ate it ... until the accident came, but we were ahead in the championship. And it was not just because of Schumacher. It was one of these sweet moments, Benetton was in shape. In tire changes and pit-stops we were the fastest. In fact, we won several races for this. There was a change of regulation where we prepared ourselves better. It would have been nice to see the fight between Senna and Michael, but I am convinced that Michael would have won. Because seeing Senna, so many years and knowing him, knowing what it cost him, how he got out of the car, etc. and see Michael after races at 50 degrees, win them and get out of the car as if he had had a coffee ... The physical form that Michael had at that time and his mental strength, however natural Ayrton had, by a lot of skill, I would have overcome. For Ayrton it was a much greater effort than for Michael. " translate.google.si/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radio.cz%2Fes%2Frubrica%2Fpanorama%2Fjoan-villadelprat-con-ayrton-senna-tenia-la-conexion-de-ser-latinos&edit-text=
@@edertoti1907 Yeah he is obssessed. The two "better drivers" he mentioned, Alonso and Schumacher (both known for having a huge ego), said multiple times that Senna was better than them.
How convenient of him to mention only the negatives and not the positives. Both Schumacher and Senna had speed in abundance, as well as amazing mental resilience, which is why they dominated.
MS. The greatest Scumbag in the history of F1. Period. What Johnny mentions is only the tip of the ICEBURG! of what both MS & Ferrari did to help just him win races.... Many rules & regulations today are a direct result of their Cheating attempts...
@Seniku Moonjewel NO, Ayrton has NEVER cheated, when he drove Prost out in 90 Suzuka he admited later that he had done it on purpose as a payback to Prost in 89, and because of the treatment he was receiving from FIA (Balestre) and how they had handled the situation between the two drivers. This is very different than to crash another driver, without any rivalry context, because you know you'll lose the championship if he overtakes you, and Schumacher did it against 2 different drivers. This is much worse than anything dubious Senna has done is his whole carrier.
I love that interview where Michael says that he agrees Ayrton was the best. Michael is a Gentleman first, a racer second and he's one hell of a racer..
MS. The greatest Scumbag in the history of F1. Period. What Johnny mentions is only the tip of the ICEBURG! of what both MS & Ferrari did to help just him win races.... Many rules & regulations today are a direct result of their Cheating attempts...
@@sircopperfield7420 And Fangio said that Senna was the best ever. In fact, both Schumacher in Fangio said it, alongside Alonso and Hakkinen (Schumacher's biggest rivals).
Three people who worked with both Ayrton and Michael: Pat Symonds on Senna, Schumacher, Alonso “Fernando was incredibly competitive, had the same total self-esteem of Ayrton and Michael. They know they are the best. He was a great racer, not quite as outright quick as Michael, maybe, but still very, very quick. At the times I worked with them I’d say Michael was the quickest, then Fernando, then Ayrton." www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/march-2017/28/pat-symonds-senna-schumacher-alonso Giorgio Ascanelli (from James Allen's book: The Edge Of Greatness) mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24351646/povecaj Joan Villadelprat mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24406576/povecaj Joan Villadelprat on Senna and Schumacher: "Senna was in the best team, which was at that time, with 100 more horses than us who had the Ford-Cosworth engine, and we ate it ... until the accident came, but we were ahead in the championship. And it was not just because of Schumacher. It was one of these sweet moments, Benetton was in shape. In tire changes and pit-stops we were the fastest. In fact, we won several races for this. There was a change of regulation where we prepared ourselves better. It would have been nice to see the fight between Senna and Michael, but I am convinced that Michael would have won. Because seeing Senna, so many years and knowing him, knowing what it cost him, how he got out of the car, etc. and see Michael after races at 50 degrees, win them and get out of the car as if he had had a coffee ... The physical form that Michael had at that time and his mental strength, however natural Ayrton had, by a lot of skill, I would have overcome. For Ayrton it was a much greater effort than for Michael. " translate.google.si/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radio.cz%2Fes%2Frubrica%2Fpanorama%2Fjoan-villadelprat-con-ayrton-senna-tenia-la-conexion-de-ser-latinos&edit-text=
I love the Michael but just about everything about Ayrton Senna is kind of mystical, even before his death! Senna's speed, at qualifying especially, was something else too.
Ron Dennis hit it on the head: A lot of the Senna worship is born out of the fact that we never saw him get old and be beaten. All indications were, he was starting to age by '94... and people like Schumacher and Hakkinen were set to outpace him and build on what he achieved just as he built on what Prost did.
Outpace? Put Senna and Schumacher in the very same equipment and Schumacher wouldn't be able to stay in the same second of Senna. Compare the 1993 vs 1994 seasons, Hill vs Prost then Hill vs Senna - then add to equation Schumacher in 93 vs in 94 and you'll have your answer. Senna LAPPED Damon Hill in Interlagos - while in 1993 Damon was competitive to Prost during the season (sometimes faster). In 93 Schumacher struggled to follow the pace of Damon, but in 94 he lapped Damon Hill in the first GP. From the '93 season to the '94, the Williams car was almost 2 seconds slower, while the Benetton car was almost 2 seconds faster. Schumacher finished 1 AND A HALF LAP ahead of Damon Hill. These are facts, numbers don't lie. So if you had Senna gaining on Schumacher in Interlagos, before he spun off, it was 100% Senna.
@@keithrichards4296 Schumacher, Senna - same age, same car, Schumacher would destroy him. Both on the track and mentally. Senna was weak and unfit always complaining.
@@martin4458 Schumacher, Senna, same age, same car: Schumacher is not able to stay in the same second of Senna. Senna is the fastest driver who ever lived. Period.
If you had the opportunity to follow Senna's and Schumacher's careers from their insertions you would come to the same conclusion as Herbert. On pure speed alone Senna definitely had the edge.
Too bad speed isn't everything, even gilles villeneuve is considered one of the greatest of all times, and sure, he was fast, good at wheel to wheel and great on the wet, but mistakes are important too. Both senna and villeneuve made too frequent mistakes to be really in fight for a non-biased best driver ranking. Alonso, schumacher, clark, fangio and stewart didn't have any weaknesses.
Makes sense, if I had to rank the 3 in terms of pure speed, even as a schumacher fan I'd go senna, schumacher, alonso, but when it comes to completeness of the driver I'd go with the same order as pat symonds.
@@robertomariani626 You just failed to mention that in a poll with 200 F1 drivers, they named Senna as the best of all time, including Alonso, Schumacher, Fangio (the ones you mentioned as better than him). So yeah, take your L and go home.
@@alexcla9445 I don't care about drivers voting senna as the best of all time because he basically became a martyr cause he died at his peak, he was NOT a complete driver, made frequent mistakes which schumacher, alonso, fangio, clark, prost even, who was senna's top rival, didn't, he also wasn't particularly good at scoring points. Every mathematical based ranking has senna down to top 20 or so.
@@robertomariani626 So why Villeneuve or Jim Clark weren't their pick? They are also legends that died while racing, just like Senna. They named Senna because they think Senna was #1, period. You're acting like a hater sorry.
Herbert enumerated all the dirty things Schumacher did in the past, forgetting that Senna also had his black moments. True, that nobody could equal Ayrton's charisma, he had a very special personality. But, he was a human as well, who made mistakes and did things he couldn't be proud of. It's not an accident that when it's about the greatest driver of all time, Senna's and Schumacher's name are mostly brought up. They had different characters, different family background, but they had at least one thing in common : God-given talent. It would have been a great joy to watch them racing each other for longer time. But we can still be glad with those races, where both amazed us, the fans, producing some really breathtaking and enjoyable moments, making history. That's why we grew to like them so much.
All of them had their moments. Mansell took Senna out under black flag. Patrese killed Ronnie Peterson and Prost played FIA during the french leadership. With that said, Senna was over confident and aggressive during his first years and that played out pretty bad for him on several occasions. However, we have to remember that during Senna's years, there were more potential champions than ever before or after. Likely that created a climate where they had to take a bit more risks than Schumacher had to later except for when he raced Hakkinen. And to be honest, Schumi played way dirty against Mika as well.
The little time that they competed, Shumacher was doing better because Benneton was cheating. Do you have any doubt that if Senna had not died in that accident in 94, he would have been champion that year even tho the first couple races were all Shummi.
MS. The greatest Scumbag in the history of F1. Period. What Johnny mentions is only the tip of the ICEBURG! of what both MS & Ferrari did to help just him win races.... Many rules & regulations today are a direct result of their Cheating attempts...
Three people who worked with both Ayrton and Michael: Pat Symonds on Senna, Schumacher, Alonso “Fernando was incredibly competitive, had the same total self-esteem of Ayrton and Michael. They know they are the best. He was a great racer, not quite as outright quick as Michael, maybe, but still very, very quick. At the times I worked with them I’d say Michael was the quickest, then Fernando, then Ayrton." www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/march-2017/28/pat-symonds-senna-schumacher-alonso Giorgio Ascanelli (from James Allen's book: The Edge Of Greatness) mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24351646/povecaj Joan Villadelprat mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24406576/povecaj Joan Villadelprat on Senna and Schumacher: "Senna was in the best team, which was at that time, with 100 more horses than us who had the Ford-Cosworth engine, and we ate it ... until the accident came, but we were ahead in the championship. And it was not just because of Schumacher. It was one of these sweet moments, Benetton was in shape. In tire changes and pit-stops we were the fastest. In fact, we won several races for this. There was a change of regulation where we prepared ourselves better. It would have been nice to see the fight between Senna and Michael, but I am convinced that Michael would have won. Because seeing Senna, so many years and knowing him, knowing what it cost him, how he got out of the car, etc. and see Michael after races at 50 degrees, win them and get out of the car as if he had had a coffee ... The physical form that Michael had at that time and his mental strength, however natural Ayrton had, by a lot of skill, I would have overcome. For Ayrton it was a much greater effort than for Michael. " translate.google.si/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radio.cz%2Fes%2Frubrica%2Fpanorama%2Fjoan-villadelprat-con-ayrton-senna-tenia-la-conexion-de-ser-latinos&edit-text=
@@demdjen77 Alonso is a great driver, but he himself knows that he couldn’t say something like that, if Senna kept running, he would probably have Hill and Villeneuve's titles, and I think even more, because even though they are inferior to Senna, they won titles running against Schumacher .
Three people who worked with both Ayrton and Michael: Pat Symonds on Senna, Schumacher, Alonso “Fernando was incredibly competitive, had the same total self-esteem of Ayrton and Michael. They know they are the best. He was a great racer, not quite as outright quick as Michael, maybe, but still very, very quick. At the times I worked with them I’d say Michael was the quickest, then Fernando, then Ayrton." www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/march-2017/28/pat-symonds-senna-schumacher-alonso Giorgio Ascanelli (from James Allen's book: The Edge Of Greatness) mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24351646/povecaj Joan Villadelprat mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24406576/povecaj Joan Villadelprat on Senna and Schumacher: "Senna was in the best team, which was at that time, with 100 more horses than us who had the Ford-Cosworth engine, and we ate it ... until the accident came, but we were ahead in the championship. And it was not just because of Schumacher. It was one of these sweet moments, Benetton was in shape. In tire changes and pit-stops we were the fastest. In fact, we won several races for this. There was a change of regulation where we prepared ourselves better. It would have been nice to see the fight between Senna and Michael, but I am convinced that Michael would have won. Because seeing Senna, so many years and knowing him, knowing what it cost him, how he got out of the car, etc. and see Michael after races at 50 degrees, win them and get out of the car as if he had had a coffee ... The physical form that Michael had at that time and his mental strength, however natural Ayrton had, by a lot of skill, I would have overcome. For Ayrton it was a much greater effort than for Michael. " translate.google.si/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radio.cz%2Fes%2Frubrica%2Fpanorama%2Fjoan-villadelprat-con-ayrton-senna-tenia-la-conexion-de-ser-latinos&edit-text= And now let's see Ayrton's cheating accolades: 1985 His determination to take pole at the Monaco Grand Prix had infuriated Alboreto and Niki Lauda; Senna had set a fast time early and was accused of deliberately baulking the other drivers by running more laps than necessary, a charge he rejected, though the accusations would continue in Canada when drivers accused him of running on the racing line when on his slow down lap forcing others on qualifiers to move off line and lose time.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tbNLHGJUGTQ.html 1986 De Angelis was replaced at Lotus by Scotland's Johnny Dumfries after Senna vetoed Derek Warwick from joining the team, saying that Lotus could not run competitive cars for two top drivers at the same time. Senna allegedly pushed for his former flatmate and fellow Brazilian Maurício Gugelmin to join the team as a pure number two driver, but the team's major sponsor John Player & Sons (JPS) insisted on a British driver which led to the signing of Dumfries. 1987 The team guaranteed Senna contractually preferential treatment over Nakajima in the allocation of equipment.Lotus used new secret helping electronics to win in 1987It was the "invention of the year" and the newest F1 thing in 1987 (computer controlled technique). It was designed for automatic acceleration and computerized traction control. Also an automatic, hydraulic wheel control was installed and many more like breaking control .. controlled by a black-box. It was a very big advantage, f.e. in the rain. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eDJX6LX8Iz8.html Adelaide 1987 Senna finished second but was later disqualified when post race scrutineering revealed oversized brake ducts on his Lotus. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ALMYI3vUiZg.html 1988 Brasil - Senna's first race for McLaren got off to a bad start when the cars gear selector broke on the grid, causing a restart. The Brazilian was eventually disqualified for switching to the spare car after the green flag had been waved following the warm-up lap. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q-4qD9clvL4.html Portugal - Prost made a slightly faster start than Senna, but the Brazilian dived into the first corner ahead. Prost responded and went to pass Senna at the end of the first lap. Senna swerved to block Prost, forcing the Frenchman to nearly run into the pit wall at 290 km/h (180 mph). Prost kept his foot down and soon edged Senna into the first corner and started pulling away. Though Prost was angered by Senna's manoeuvre, the Brazilian got away with a warning from the FIA. At the postrace team debrief, Prost voiced his anger at the move which prompted Senna to apologize to Prost for the incident. 1990 Suzuka - Senna secured the pole, but was unhappy with the side of the track it was situated on, claiming that pole should always be on the racing line. He and Gerhard Berger then went to the Japanese stewards, to request a change of position of pole to the cleaner left side of the track. The stewards initially agreed but an injunction by FISA president Jean Marie Balestre later that night rejected the decision and the original pole position remained on the dirtier, less grippy right side of the track. In addition, as revealed by F1 journalist, Maurice Hamilton, the FIA had warned that crossing the yellow line of the pit exit on the right to better position oneself at the first corner would have not been appropriate, further infuriating Senna.Some in the F1 paddock found Senna's complaints as strange given that the pole was actually on the same side of the track (the inside next to the pit wall) as it had been since the first Japanese Grand Prix held there in 1987. Many also noted that Senna had not complained about the position of the pole in either 1988 or 1989, both races he had started on pole and both races he was fighting Prost (who qualified 2nd in both years) for the World Championship. After this, Senna vowed that if Prost (starting second) got the advantage into the first corner, which most were sure he would, Senna would attempt to take the lead into the first corner, regardless of the consequences. At the beginning of the race, Prost pulled ahead of Senna, who immediately tried to repass Prost at the first corner. While Prost turned in, Senna kept his foot on the accelerator and the cars collided at 270 km/h (170 mph) and spun out of the race, making Senna world champion. 1992 At a test session for the German Grand Prix, Senna and Schumacher had a confrontation in the pits, with Senna grabbing Schumacher by the collar and accusing him of endangering him by blocking him on the track. But apparently it was ok when Senna gave Schumacher a "brake test" on the straights. 15 year old girl ( have you ever heard or read about Epstein? ) Senna then courted Adriane Yamin, daughter of an entrepreneur from São Paulo, who was 15 years old when they began the relationship in 1985 and often chaperoned by her mother during meetings with Senna. They were briefly engaged, but the relationship was broken off by Senna in late 1988. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayrton_Senna
the list is perfectly done since several years ago, and i see very difficult that it will change in years to come, 3 SCHUMI 2 JM FANGIO 1 AYRTON SENNA . !
Funny, I was more of a Schumi fan than Senna. Both had their "moments", but Michael seemed to enjoy himself more, where Senna seemed perpetually troubled. There was always "a problem" in the team, or whatever with Ayrton. I don't honestly recall Schumi ever blasting the press with team "issues". Senna, ALWAYS. Don't get me wrong, if I had a F1 team I'd want my number 1 driver to be-Alain Prost. Number 2- Gerhard BergerThe Professor and the BEST teammate a #1 could ever have.
I hear a lot of you F1 only fans claiming how Johnny is bitter, how he never achieved anything in F1, that he is a chump, blah, blah, blah. rewind back to 1988, August 21st to be precise at Brands hatch. Johnny had just come back from a series of tests at Monza for Lotus, where he was quicker than the then current world champion Piquet by nearly 4 tenths of a second. Then on that fateful day, Johnny was involved in a crash with Gregor foitek that pretty much ended any chance of a glittering career in F1. For anyone that hasn't seen it - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wiJRDHH0DVY.html If you ask anyone around at the time, then most would be of the same opinion that Johnny was the next coming, The most natural driver since Jim Clark - He was that good, and was clearly earmarked for F1 stardom by the very people that know. It is a comeback like no other, he should never have walked again, let alone race in F1 and still win. I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that a Johnny Herbert without that crash stops Schumacher from winning as much as he did.....He was that good.
Hamilton was inspired by Senna.. How the hell can you copy someone's style.. Give me a break.. He just listened and learned everything well.. Just like Ayrton did.
MS. The greatest Scumbag in the history of F1. Period. What Johnny mentions is only the tip of the ICEBURG! of what both MS & Ferrari did to help just him win races.... Many rules & regulations today are a direct result of their Cheating attempts...
Schumi also set almost 2 seconds faster in 95' ferrari during testing in Portugal and humiliated both Berger and Alesi. I'm surprised that he stated the car was fast enough to win championship in 1995 except that we knew it had reliability issues.
@@RawLu. All races before Austria 2002 could be said to have taken place in the 'team orders' Era. In that era, Schumacher won 57 races. Out of those wins, 21 of them were with Barrichello as partner, and 16 with Irvine, for a total of 37 at Ferrari, where I presume you mean the 'team orders' Era. Let's be honest here. In the 4 seasons that Irvine partnered Michael, he admitted that MSC was too quick for him. He was a contracted number two, but he had also made peace with the fact that MSC was simply quicker than him. Now, in this era, the only times team orders were implemented were: 1. In Austria '98, when Michael was on a charge through the field (I.e. not for the win) and needed to make up time; 2. In France '99 where MSC was running 5th and struggling with mismatched tyres and gearbox issues, Irvine 6th was told not to pass. Again not for the win. 3. In Malaysia '99, for MSC to give the race win to Irvine for the championship battle with Mika. As for Rubens, the only confirmed team orders scenarios were: 4. Austria 2001 (for 2nd) 5. & 2002 (for the win). 5 confirmed team orders. In 2000 Barrichello was never on similar pace as Schumacher. There was no scope for team orders to play a role in the race win. In 2001 it was closer between the two, but Michael won 11 races, and Rubens was nowhere close enough to think that any major statistics of Michael's career would have changed with a different team policy. After the team order ban post Austria '02, Schumacher won a further 7 races that year, 6 in the next, 13 in 2004 and 1 in 2005, with an additional 7 with Felipe as his team mate. That's still 34 wins. Add this to the 19 he won at Benetton 'untarnished' by team orders, and you still have 53 'non team order era' wins. More than Prost's total. Three people who worked with both Ayrton and Michael: Pat Symonds on Senna, Schumacher, Alonso “Fernando was incredibly competitive, had the same total self-esteem of Ayrton and Michael. They know they are the best. He was a great racer, not quite as outright quick as Michael, maybe, but still very, very quick. At the times I worked with them I’d say Michael was the quickest, then Fernando, then Ayrton." www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/march-2017/28/pat-symonds-senna-schumacher-alonso Giorgio Ascanelli (from James Allen's book: The Edge Of Greatness) mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24351646/povecaj Joan Villadelprat mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24406576/povecaj Joan Villadelprat on Senna and Schumacher: "Senna was in the best team, which was at that time, with 100 more horses than us who had the Ford-Cosworth engine, and we ate it ... until the accident came, but we were ahead in the championship. And it was not just because of Schumacher. It was one of these sweet moments, Benetton was in shape. In tire changes and pit-stops we were the fastest. In fact, we won several races for this. There was a change of regulation where we prepared ourselves better. It would have been nice to see the fight between Senna and Michael, but I am convinced that Michael would have won. Because seeing Senna, so many years and knowing him, knowing what it cost him, how he got out of the car, etc. and see Michael after races at 50 degrees, win them and get out of the car as if he had had a coffee ... The physical form that Michael had at that time and his mental strength, however natural Ayrton had, by a lot of skill, I would have overcome. For Ayrton it was a much greater effort than for Michael. " translate.google.si/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radio.cz%2Fes%2Frubrica%2Fpanorama%2Fjoan-villadelprat-con-ayrton-senna-tenia-la-conexion-de-ser-latinos&edit-text= And now let's see Ayrton's cheating accolades: 1985 His determination to take pole at the Monaco Grand Prix had infuriated Alboreto and Niki Lauda; Senna had set a fast time early and was accused of deliberately baulking the other drivers by running more laps than necessary, a charge he rejected, though the accusations would continue in Canada when drivers accused him of running on the racing line when on his slow down lap forcing others on qualifiers to move off line and lose time.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tbNLHGJUGTQ.html 1986 De Angelis was replaced at Lotus by Scotland's Johnny Dumfries after Senna vetoed Derek Warwick from joining the team, saying that Lotus could not run competitive cars for two top drivers at the same time. Senna allegedly pushed for his former flatmate and fellow Brazilian Maurício Gugelmin to join the team as a pure number two driver, but the team's major sponsor John Player & Sons (JPS) insisted on a British driver which led to the signing of Dumfries. 1987 The team guaranteed Senna contractually preferential treatment over Nakajima in the allocation of equipment.Lotus used new secret helping electronics to win in 1987It was the "invention of the year" and the newest F1 thing in 1987 (computer controlled technique). It was designed for automatic acceleration and computerized traction control. Also an automatic, hydraulic wheel control was installed and many more like breaking control .. controlled by a black-box. It was a very big advantage, f.e. in the rain. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eDJX6LX8Iz8.html Adelaide 1987 Senna finished second but was later disqualified when post race scrutineering revealed oversized brake ducts on his Lotus. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ALMYI3vUiZg.html 1988 Brasil - Senna's first race for McLaren got off to a bad start when the cars gear selector broke on the grid, causing a restart. The Brazilian was eventually disqualified for switching to the spare car after the green flag had been waved following the warm-up lap. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q-4qD9clvL4.html Portugal - Prost made a slightly faster start than Senna, but the Brazilian dived into the first corner ahead. Prost responded and went to pass Senna at the end of the first lap. Senna swerved to block Prost, forcing the Frenchman to nearly run into the pit wall at 290 km/h (180 mph). Prost kept his foot down and soon edged Senna into the first corner and started pulling away. Though Prost was angered by Senna's manoeuvre, the Brazilian got away with a warning from the FIA. At the postrace team debrief, Prost voiced his anger at the move which prompted Senna to apologize to Prost for the incident. 1990 Suzuka - Senna secured the pole, but was unhappy with the side of the track it was situated on, claiming that pole should always be on the racing line. He and Gerhard Berger then went to the Japanese stewards, to request a change of position of pole to the cleaner left side of the track. The stewards initially agreed but an injunction by FISA president Jean Marie Balestre later that night rejected the decision and the original pole position remained on the dirtier, less grippy right side of the track. In addition, as revealed by F1 journalist, Maurice Hamilton, the FIA had warned that crossing the yellow line of the pit exit on the right to better position oneself at the first corner would have not been appropriate, further infuriating Senna.Some in the F1 paddock found Senna's complaints as strange given that the pole was actually on the same side of the track (the inside next to the pit wall) as it had been since the first Japanese Grand Prix held there in 1987. Many also noted that Senna had not complained about the position of the pole in either 1988 or 1989, both races he had started on pole and both races he was fighting Prost (who qualified 2nd in both years) for the World Championship. After this, Senna vowed that if Prost (starting second) got the advantage into the first corner, which most were sure he would, Senna would attempt to take the lead into the first corner, regardless of the consequences. At the beginning of the race, Prost pulled ahead of Senna, who immediately tried to repass Prost at the first corner. While Prost turned in, Senna kept his foot on the accelerator and the cars collided at 270 km/h (170 mph) and spun out of the race, making Senna world champion. 1992 At a test session for the German Grand Prix, Senna and Schumacher had a confrontation in the pits, with Senna grabbing Schumacher by the collar and accusing him of endangering him by blocking him on the track. But apparently it was ok when Senna gave Schumacher a "brake test" on the straights. 15 year old girl ( have you ever heard or read about Epstein? ) Senna then courted Adriane Yamin, daughter of an entrepreneur from São Paulo, who was 15 years old when they began the relationship in 1985 and often chaperoned by her mother during meetings with Senna. They were briefly engaged, but the relationship was broken off by Senna in late 1988. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayrton_Senna
If during the time that AYRTON SENNA was in F1 , he had always had the best car, nobody would get anything,only he. Beyond, He"s got many runs, even without having the best car.
A Brit will never say a German is the greatest. Senna never won a World Championship with the 2nd faster car on the grid, Schumacher did it about 3-4 times.
Ayrton was very much his own man in the way he said and did things, he never copied anybody when it came to his style of racing and even though it wasnt always visible, he was very sensitive and the reality of the situation in his country bothered him very much and I'm proud that Ayrton's sister Viviane made sure Ayrton's goal to help the poor kids in Brazil get a second chance in life became reality. Ayrton will always be with us, but even though other F1 drivers have beaten his records (bar the record breaking lap he once achieved that no one has been able to beat) he will always be the one F1 driver that people will openly say they love and admire despite being aware that Michael Schumacher, Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen have also left their own marks on the sport as well. Rip Ayrton ❤
Senna, Schumacher, Hamilton, Clark, Stewart, Moss, Fangio, Hill or Andretti, they were all good in different ways. My personal view is Jimmy Clark was the best ever. He passed on way to early.
Three people who worked with both Ayrton and Michael: Pat Symonds on Senna, Schumacher, Alonso “Fernando was incredibly competitive, had the same total self-esteem of Ayrton and Michael. They know they are the best. He was a great racer, not quite as outright quick as Michael, maybe, but still very, very quick. At the times I worked with them I’d say Michael was the quickest, then Fernando, then Ayrton." www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/march-2017/28/pat-symonds-senna-schumacher-alonso Giorgio Ascanelli (from James Allen's book: The Edge Of Greatness) mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24351646/povecaj Joan Villadelprat mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24406576/povecaj Joan Villadelprat on Senna and Schumacher: "Senna was in the best team, which was at that time, with 100 more horses than us who had the Ford-Cosworth engine, and we ate it ... until the accident came, but we were ahead in the championship. And it was not just because of Schumacher. It was one of these sweet moments, Benetton was in shape. In tire changes and pit-stops we were the fastest. In fact, we won several races for this. There was a change of regulation where we prepared ourselves better. It would have been nice to see the fight between Senna and Michael, but I am convinced that Michael would have won. Because seeing Senna, so many years and knowing him, knowing what it cost him, how he got out of the car, etc. and see Michael after races at 50 degrees, win them and get out of the car as if he had had a coffee ... The physical form that Michael had at that time and his mental strength, however natural Ayrton had, by a lot of skill, I would have overcome. For Ayrton it was a much greater effort than for Michael. " translate.google.si/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radio.cz%2Fes%2Frubrica%2Fpanorama%2Fjoan-villadelprat-con-ayrton-senna-tenia-la-conexion-de-ser-latinos&edit-text= Was he a good sport? 1985 His determination to take pole at the Monaco Grand Prix had infuriated Alboreto and Niki Lauda; Senna had set a fast time early and was accused of deliberately baulking the other drivers by running more laps than necessary, a charge he rejected, though the accusations would continue in Canada when drivers accused him of running on the racing line when on his slow down lap forcing others on qualifiers to move off line and lose time.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tbNLHGJUGTQ.html 1986 De Angelis was replaced at Lotus by Scotland's Johnny Dumfries after Senna vetoed Derek Warwick from joining the team, saying that Lotus could not run competitive cars for two top drivers at the same time. Senna allegedly pushed for his former flatmate and fellow Brazilian Maurício Gugelmin to join the team as a pure number two driver, but the team's major sponsor John Player & Sons (JPS) insisted on a British driver which led to the signing of Dumfries. 1987 The team guaranteed Senna contractually preferential treatment over Nakajima in the allocation of equipment.Lotus used new secret helping electronics to win in 1987It was the "invention of the year" and the newest F1 thing in 1987 (computer controlled technique). It was designed for automatic acceleration and computerized traction control. Also an automatic, hydraulic wheel control was installed and many more like breaking control .. controlled by a black-box. It was a very big advantage, f.e. in the rain. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eDJX6LX8Iz8.html Adelaide 1987 Senna finished second but was later disqualified when post race scrutineering revealed oversized brake ducts on his Lotus. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ALMYI3vUiZg.html 1988 Brasil - Senna's first race for McLaren got off to a bad start when the cars gear selector broke on the grid, causing a restart. The Brazilian was eventually disqualified for switching to the spare car after the green flag had been waved following the warm-up lap. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q-4qD9clvL4.html Portugal - Prost made a slightly faster start than Senna, but the Brazilian dived into the first corner ahead. Prost responded and went to pass Senna at the end of the first lap. Senna swerved to block Prost, forcing the Frenchman to nearly run into the pit wall at 290 km/h (180 mph). Prost kept his foot down and soon edged Senna into the first corner and started pulling away. Though Prost was angered by Senna's manoeuvre, the Brazilian got away with a warning from the FIA. At the postrace team debrief, Prost voiced his anger at the move which prompted Senna to apologize to Prost for the incident. 1990 Suzuka - Senna secured the pole, but was unhappy with the side of the track it was situated on, claiming that pole should always be on the racing line. He and Gerhard Berger then went to the Japanese stewards, to request a change of position of pole to the cleaner left side of the track. The stewards initially agreed but an injunction by FISA president Jean Marie Balestre later that night rejected the decision and the original pole position remained on the dirtier, less grippy right side of the track. In addition, as revealed by F1 journalist, Maurice Hamilton, the FIA had warned that crossing the yellow line of the pit exit on the right to better position oneself at the first corner would have not been appropriate, further infuriating Senna.Some in the F1 paddock found Senna's complaints as strange given that the pole was actually on the same side of the track (the inside next to the pit wall) as it had been since the first Japanese Grand Prix held there in 1987. Many also noted that Senna had not complained about the position of the pole in either 1988 or 1989, both races he had started on pole and both races he was fighting Prost (who qualified 2nd in both years) for the World Championship. After this, Senna vowed that if Prost (starting second) got the advantage into the first corner, which most were sure he would, Senna would attempt to take the lead into the first corner, regardless of the consequences. At the beginning of the race, Prost pulled ahead of Senna, who immediately tried to repass Prost at the first corner. While Prost turned in, Senna kept his foot on the accelerator and the cars collided at 270 km/h (170 mph) and spun out of the race, making Senna world champion. 1992 At a test session for the German Grand Prix, Senna and Schumacher had a confrontation in the pits, with Senna grabbing Schumacher by the collar and accusing him of endangering him by blocking him on the track. But apparently it was ok when Senna gave Schumacher a "brake test" on the straights. 15 year old girl ( have you ever heard or read about Epstein? ) Senna then courted Adriane Yamin, daughter of an entrepreneur from São Paulo, who was 15 years old when they began the relationship in 1985 and often chaperoned by her mother during meetings with Senna. They were briefly engaged, but the relationship was broken off by Senna in late 1988. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayrton_Senna
The problem is you can have selective reasons to criticise the way any driver races. Senna was great, but he punched Irvine in the face and had an issue with anger. Nobody is perfect, Senna was not, Schumacher was not and Hamilton was not. We can all find faults with Champions. Lets not forget Schuacher thrashed Johnny Herbert and Martin Brundle and that has to affect your opinion as a human being.
dont forget Ayrton crashedd on purpose over Prost and got away with the title. Jo Ramirez quoted Ayrton about a post race drivers meet taking him out of there, Ayrton shouting "i told you what i was about to do" and Dennis saying to him "come on lets get out you are incriminating yourself"
Martin brindle Also Losed against Senna, And he still saying that Senna was The Best, then what u are saying don't Make sense, i think. Also it's a fact that Senna did some not Nice acts inside the track, but nothing tô compaire with Schumacher's acts! 94, 97, 2002 And 2006 years what he did was so wrong that even today he IS remenbered about his Skills, but Also because of This acts in the same intensitie. Hamilton(i'm not a fan of him) is the most Fair Driver when It speaks about great Champions.
When you actually look at the stats...Schumacher is ahead....Yes I know he drove in more races, but as a comparison....Senna converted 25% of his races in victories, Schumacher 29%, Senna converted 44% of his poles into victories, Schumacher 58% of his poles, Senna 28yrs old for 1st Title, Schumacher 25...Stats don't lie unfortunately....Senna stepped into a dominating team to win his titles, where as Schumacher stepped into a poor performing Ferrari team & helped build it into a championship team.....
AYRTON SENNA was not perfect, no one is perfect, he had his flaws, but the way he made up for it was breathtaking...he stirred up the hearts & minds of an entire generation & inspired people to go above & beyond...people who watched him became drawn to his charisma & perspective on life & racing...those who watched him knew they were watching a once in a lifetime spectacle, something that will never come round again...its the emotions that one stirs up in others that leaves a lasting legacy...& his legacy remains, because of the memories embedded in each one that had the privilege to behold the enigmatic genius, that was Ayrton Senna de Silva...& in the words of James Hunt, Senna was probably, possibly, the greatest racing driver of all time. Remember, this is racing, not lawn bowls. Did he punch Irvine? Yes Did he take Prost out of the race? Yes. Did he make bad choices at times? Yes. But that's what makes him human...that's why people were drawn to him...at times he seemed otherworldly, superhuman, & at other times he seemed soft & compassionate...when he crashed at Imola, many thought he'd just get out the car & jump into the spare car...because it seemed he was bulletproof...& we waited & waited, & the longer we waited, that sinking feeling settled...he left us memories...in his short life he gave us memories, he inspired millions to be their best, he gave millions around the world a sense of joy & a reason to celebrate...Brazilians have a special place in their hearts for him because of what he did for them in giving them a reason to be proud of being Brazilian...& they showed their love for their hero, when 3 million people lined the streets to pay respect to their beloved champion. Maybe he's the best, maybe not...but in my opinion, & it's just an opinion, he's the greatest driver in the history of motor racing....there will never be another Ayrton Senna.🏆
Senna was phenomenal, special and the most exciting race car driver. Schumacher, was the perfectionist, fastest driver ever. Fangio was all the above. Imo, fangio was the most complete race driver and the true GOAT.
Different times. Comparing each one of them and saying who was the best is to disrespect the previous pilots. Between Senna and Schumacher I get Senna. Both were very close, but Senna in the rain and in qualifying was unbeatable, he had an ability to check grip and reflexes never seen. Senna's era was much more difficult facing very strong riders, Schumacher took an easier era, but had his merit in erecting a Ferrari, something that Senna never did. For me between the two I get Senna, even with smaller numbers.
Senna's teammate Prost was his greatest rival, while Schumacher's teammate Barrichello was his protector for 5 years under team orders. Schumacher was a 'made man' at Ferrari. Senna rival Mansell, preceded Shu to heroically resurrect Ferrari, winning his first race with them (Brazil) and driving like a maniac lion from 12th to beat Ayrton at the Hungaroring in 1989. "il leone" was the last driver to be personally selected by Enzo Ferrari because of his fearless driving style. Mansell is probably Senna's greatest admirer.
+JIM2oob Senna cannot even beat a rookie MSC in 1992, despite that being his ninth season and MSC's first. Senna had such an enormous experience advantage but he lost to a rookie schumacher in 1992. I believe once Schumi gained enough experience in 1996, he would have destroyed Senna
766 / 5000 Resultados de tradução Your mistake, they already faced each other in the rain like Barcelona 1992 and Senna took a walk, the European GP as Benneton still didn't have the electronic devices of WILLIAMS and Mclarens mainly the traction control that made the cars fly in the waters, the Benneton apparatus was being assembled, with the championship in progress and it was only in Montreal onwards that the car was ready, and it is not true that Schumacher faced worse drivers, he has already defeated Senna, Prost, Mansell ,, Alonso, Hakkinein, Alesi, Villeneuve, Montoya ,, Berg, Button, kIMI, already Senna only had Prost when a single driver went up to Mclaren, and in 1991 Mansell but that one had the best car but it was dumb it was shit and it was still many races without score and Senna was champion for that.
Fangio didn't do "black moments", neither did Moss or Clark. But Senna and Schumacher did. Senna and Schumacher were great drivers, but there is a difference between a great driver and a great champion. As champions, they don't compare to Fangio. Just look at Fangio's race history (not just formula 1), and it is incredible, against the best in the world using usually similar equipment. Moss is close, followed by Clark.
Todays drivers are fed info by a computer , so we cannot compare with drivers in Sennas time . Todays drivers have trusted computers vision , Senna did what his Soul told him.
lol Damon should not have won the 94 WC. Damon won 4 out of his 6 wins in 94 when MIchael wasn't even allowed to start. (Thanks FIA) Michael only drove 12 out of the 16 races (without counting his DNFs) and still won the WC. But hey what should I expect from a Brit who was also Michaels Teammate and got destroyed like an amateur.
Right, Schumacher for passing on a parade lap at Silverstone was given a stop-go. And after 3 laps while his team was appealing to that harsh penalty he was DSQ while driving in 2nd. Later when he served the stop-go they banned him for other 2 races. Some people only remember the move in Adelaide, but not disqualifying Schumcher for that is very telling too, because FIA felt like they screwed him so much that season that they gave him the benefit of doubt
Here's what shortsighted F1 fans never notice. When Senna took Prost out or crashed into him or whatever it was always IN RETALIATION for something done to him earlier. Schumacher did it just to win. THAT'S the difference in sportsmanship between Senna and Schumacher.
Talking about playing it dirty, Senna did exactly what Schumacher did when he took Prost out in Suzuka 1990... so stop fucking making him bigger then what he was. He was one of the 5 top drivers in the history for sure, but not a mythical figure like he’s often depicted now
@@due_2477 the worst thing is, he gets HATE from mostly the Senna fanboys for the 1989 Japanese GP thing. Even if Senna did overtook Prost on the final chicane, Prost would've still finished 2nd which is enough to win the championship. But he gets hate despite the fact that Senna had little to no chance of winning the championship at that point.
Hypocrisy by herbert here. He puts aside Sennas wrong doings and then at the end says the reason he doesnt rate Schumacher above senna is for the incidents he had with Hill at adelaide and Villeneuve at Jerez. What a knob!!!
that's right; he doesnt rate schumacher above senna, because the former was a blatantly dirty player who stooped to deliberately running opponents off the road, to stop them winning a championship. so senna was brilliant, and schumacher was brilliant, and dirty. so senna 'wins'. honestly, i dont think i have ever heard any contemporary actually say anything positive about schumacher, except regarding his technical abilities as a driver. noone reveres him, and they dont miss him. yet, years later, people are still in awe of senna and expressing it. all of which speaks for itself.
MS. The greatest Scumbag in the history of F1. Period. What Johnny mentions is only the tip of the ICEBURG! of what both MS & Ferrari did to help just him win races.... Many rules & regulations today are a direct result of their Cheating attempts...
Adicka Adooki the only mistake he did, is that he crushed Alain Prost at Suzuka 1990, because they stole 1989 title from Senna and gave it to their spoiled boy Prost! What other dirty things he did? I don’t remember..
Prost better driver in races - look at the stats. I will give you Senna was better at qualifying. Schumacher was a machine but not sure he had a real rival most of his career
Senna is overrated. He's in the top 5 of all times, but not number 1, and most definitely not above Schumacher. Schumacher was beating him in a weaker car.
derbigpr500 Hang on, I think you’ve forgotten that after the new rule changes, there were problems with the Williams bought about by the banning of Williams-Renaults active suspension system - the system that made the car so dominant the previous season. Although the Williams may have been a better package, at the time, for the first races of the season, they didn’t work well as non actively suspended cars and suffered terrible handling problems. So to say it was better than the Benetton isn’t true. It was better later in the season after they sorted the problems out. That much is definitely true. Schumacher faster? Senna took pole for all three races in a car that didn’t handle properly! I still believe Schumacher to be the best driver of his generation, probably better than todays generation to, but better then Senna? You would have to compare Senna at his prime with Schumacher at his prime but that match up never happened. Its speculation...
Michael Schumacher is the only driver who stepped in every race on the podium 1st place and 2nd place except Malaysia 3rd only and in 2004 with 13 wins.
Herbert, probably pissed by a former team-mate called Schumacher, has to tell the complete truth. That Schumacher learned to be dirty from Senna. Senna did the most barbaric thing in the sport, crashing into another driver at more than 150 mph, and that still is the worst thing we have ever seen on track. Schumacher beated Senna being a child, that´s the essence of sport, so, Herbert should correct his statement. Of course, if Herbert talks about the essence of the sport and not being barbaric, Schumacher was not as dirty as Senna
When he drove Prost out in 90 Suzuka he admited later that he had done it on purpose as a payback to Prost in 89, and because of the treatment he was receiving from FIA (Balestre) and how they had handled the situation between the two drivers. This is very different than to crash another driver, without any rivalry context, because you know you'll lose the championship if he overtakes you, and Schumacher did it against 2 different drivers. This is much worse than anything dubious Senna has done is his whole carrier.
@@rodris8461 if you call the people with other opinions ''idiot'', then you must be mistaken. Crashing into others drivers at 150mph is an assasination issue. No other dirty driver did that. Is the worst dirty action ever. Another hint, take a look at Senna´s dirty actions previous 1989. now I have to go out. kisses
Ayrton's first win in a non winning car and then the first lap at Donington 93 proved beyond all doubt he was the best, he overtook and embarrassed everyone, including Schuey, when did anyone beat Ayrton in the wet, where the best drivers talent is seen?
Senna said he had the best TC in Donnington in 1993 and he was not proud of it. He added winning at rainy Estoril track in 1985 was the best he had ever done.
@@bobbestofbobs Oh I see, take a mistake by Senna and ignore all the other wet races that he had won over the years. Senna has won 14 of the 21 wet races that he started (without counting no-fault DNFs), this gives a 67% win percentage in wet track conditions. This ratio of winning in the wet is BY FAR the highest of any modern era formula 1 driver, including Schumacher. The only 2 drivers that comes close to the performance of Senna in the wet track are Fangio and Ascari, but they drove in very different circunstances than the modern era drivers and they have fewer than 100 races each (Fangio 51 races, Ascari only 32 races).
People forget, that Schumacher is not only the record holder of most driver championship wins, but it also the most second runner, that means that if not for some sorta weird moments, bad luck, his wrong doing, other driver's wrong doings, he could have been at least 4 more times champion. No matter how to compare who was the greatest is plain stupidity. If you ask many of those who lived in end of 70's early 80's will tell you Gilles Villeneuve was the best.
u have sort memory. they stole from Senna the 1989 championsip so in 1990 its not possible to lose it again.and dont forget in the starting line they put him on the dirty side.
They also changed hia pole poaition the day of the race to the dirty aide of the track, so senna did well to take prost out who had the backing of the then french f1 boss beleste who was anti senna
+Liam Evans Johnny has axe to grind since Schumacher exposed him for the at best average talent that he was, unfortunately he does not have the grey matter to make a real argument out of it and comes off like the moron that he is!
As much as I love Ayrton and consider him the best, Herbert conveniently leaves out Senna taking Prost off intentionally as payback in '90 at Suzuka! That was much worse than Schumacher driving into Hill at Adelaide in '94
If you were in Senna's shoes at that time perhaps you'd have done the same... prost was ballestre's protegé.. at that particular race ballestre changed the pole position from the clean side to the dirty side of track, giving prost the advantage ..not to mention in 89 Prost crashed on Senna on purpose, you can see it clearly by the helicopter footage, Senna used the escape route to rejoin the track which was deemed as illegal resulting in disqualificatiomn by ballestre. various other drivers in many other occasions used the escape route to rejoin the track instead of going backwards and funny enough that didn't result in disqualification.. Senna was being bulied by the FIA director.. Schumacher on the other hand didn't have that sort of problem.. SO yeah Schumacher was the cheater and most of the people agree..
MS. The greatest Scumbag in the history of F1. Period. What Johnny mentions is only the tip of the ICEBURG! of what both MS & Ferrari did to help just him win races.... Many rules & regulations today are a direct result of their Cheating attempts...
Three people who worked with both Ayrton and Michael: Pat Symonds on Senna, Schumacher, Alonso “Fernando was incredibly competitive, had the same total self-esteem of Ayrton and Michael. They know they are the best. He was a great racer, not quite as outright quick as Michael, maybe, but still very, very quick. At the times I worked with them I’d say Michael was the quickest, then Fernando, then Ayrton." www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/march-2017/28/pat-symonds-senna-schumacher-alonso Giorgio Ascanelli (from James Allen's book: The Edge Of Greatness) mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24351646/povecaj Joan Villadelprat mojalbum.com/1000watts/formula-1/foto/24406576/povecaj Joan Villadelprat on Senna and Schumacher: "Senna was in the best team, which was at that time, with 100 more horses than us who had the Ford-Cosworth engine, and we ate it ... until the accident came, but we were ahead in the championship. And it was not just because of Schumacher. It was one of these sweet moments, Benetton was in shape. In tire changes and pit-stops we were the fastest. In fact, we won several races for this. There was a change of regulation where we prepared ourselves better. It would have been nice to see the fight between Senna and Michael, but I am convinced that Michael would have won. Because seeing Senna, so many years and knowing him, knowing what it cost him, how he got out of the car, etc. and see Michael after races at 50 degrees, win them and get out of the car as if he had had a coffee ... The physical form that Michael had at that time and his mental strength, however natural Ayrton had, by a lot of skill, I would have overcome. For Ayrton it was a much greater effort than for Michael. " translate.google.si/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radio.cz%2Fes%2Frubrica%2Fpanorama%2Fjoan-villadelprat-con-ayrton-senna-tenia-la-conexion-de-ser-latinos&edit-text=
Je moet alles op een rijtje zetten -Wie was de beste in de regen? -Wie had de beste starts? -Wie kon het beste iemand achter zich houden? - Wie was het beste in inhalen? - Wie was het beste in stratencircuit? Statistieken en record zeggen niks want iemand die niet meer leeft kun je makkelijk inhalen. Ik zeg Senna Kijk naar Donnington race 1993
That's it, Herbert! Even with all the numbers Schumacher have achieved (sometimes with a little help from his "friends" Barrichello, Irvine, Briatore, Fuel Filter Valve, Traction Control, etc...), Senna was a better driver, faster and more special, indeed! Not to mention Senna's rivals' driving skills and achievements... he went through a lot, much more difficulties... Senna, the best.
Cesco Manier oh yeah... Senna pissed champagne and shat gold nuggets. Best not to mention that in 1988, he was actually outscored by the only driver with a competitive car and he only won because of the rule that year that allowed you to scrap your 5 worst results. Also forget that he took out his rival in 1990 in a full speed kamikaze action that could have killed both of them. That he was disqualified in Australia in 1987 for driving around with illegal brake ducts, or that he was known for blocking other drivers in qualifying on several occasions ... There are no saints in F1, so let he who is without sins cast the first stone.
Suzuka 1989 / Suzuka 1990 = Action / Reaction. In 88, Senna just played according to the rules, quite obvious in a competition, don't u think? You r right, friend: Senna did piss over.... on his rivais' head! Simply the best.
Cesco Manier Sure. In 1989, Senna dove up the inside of Prost on a place where it was practically impossible to overtake and Prost, who was still ahead and on the racing line, steered into the chicane like he had every right to. Off course that warrants a high speed murder attempt by Senna a year later. Senna played hard and dirty like any other multiple champion, so people should stop pretending he is a saint and Schumacher was a cheat. Either they both are cheats, or both are winners. And Prost was better than Senna. He raced the same rivals and beat Senna in the end when it comes to WDC's. For me Senna is number 4, behind Fangio, Schumacher, and Prost. (and in 15 years he will be in 5th place after Max tops all of them)
That's your opinion. For me, Senna is number 1. Prost is number 4th, behind Fangio n Clark. As for Schumacher, he was overshadowed by Rosberg for three seasons in a row and had during several seasons, the best car and team mates that only had the duty of protect and do not overtake him, as Irvine and Barrichello. When he din't have the best car by far on the grid (1998, 2005 and 2006), he lost the championship.. tried to push Villeneuve n Hill off the track... Schumacher is not even among the top 6 for me. My opinion.
Cesco Manier You have Senna at 1 but Schumacher not even in the top 6? What world are we living in here, Schumacher, Prost, Clark and Fangio were all better then Senna
I agree about Schumacher. When Senna did it there was a back story, Prost had done it to him the year before, it was agreed that pole position would get to start on the left side of the track, then Ayrton for pole and suddenly the moved pole to he dirty side of the track. That's why Prost and him had an accident in 1990, there was a story there. When Schumacher rammed Damon in 1994, it was to obvious what he was trying to do. When he parked his car at Monaco, it was too obvious what he was trying to do. Senna had an aura. That is so true. Whatever he was, it was so unique. We all try hard, some athletes give 95%. I think Ayrton was one of the few people I've ever seen where you can say, that guy gave 100%.
Both are the same.. It just Senna playing politics and have charisma that capture public and it played beautifully. Schumacher were lacking in that department.. He sucks playing politics and dont have the charisma that Senna have. Furthermore, the sad tragedy made him pretty much immortal.
Simply because someone did it to you before does not justify an inproper action. That´s why sovereign states have laws to avoid such things as self-justice-.
MS. The greatest Scumbag in the history of F1. Period. What Johnny mentions is only the tip of the ICEBURG! of what both MS & Ferrari did to help just him win races.... Many rules & regulations today are a direct result of their Cheating attempts...
Senna and Schumacher are my 2 favourite drivers so I am in no way biased, but tbh the fact that Senna did it due to a back story makes it worse, yes in 89 he was robbed but to already have in your mind you are going to intentionally crash into someone at the first corner at ridiculous speed not even attempting the corner is madness, he could have killed them both. I'm not saying what Schumacher did was right either but at least his was a spare of the moment, in those few seconds he saw the championship slipping away and tried to shut the door, in 94 it was aggressive and unfair move but he was in fact still in front of Hill, even Murray Walker a great friend of Hill gave him the benefit of the doubt saying he was regaining his racing line. The 97 one was a lot more obvious but at the same time a split second decision and he paid the price, plus Villeneuve was more than likely going into the gravel anyway, Michael's mistake actually helped him slow down. Anyway the point being, Senna and Schumacher are the 2 best drivers without a doubt but they were both ruthless and would do anything to win, which doesn't win any popularity contests but it wins championships.
Everyone has their opinions and a right to them. I have an enormous respect and like for Johnny Herbert. He was a real character in F1 in his era, and F1 needs characters. But, I don't agree with his conclusion. Senna DID have an aura and so much charisma, combined with natural raw talent. But Micheal Schumacher was a master behind the wheel of an F1 car. Not only did MS win multiple titles in the company of SOME of the greatest F1 drivers to walk the earth, but he took a donkey of a Ferrari and made it a dominating machine with the help of Ross Braun. He was effectively being a test driver whilst being an active competitor in a field of truly great drivers. Senna was, and is my favourite driver as a complete package. But, Micheal Schumacher is, in my eyes, the most successful and talented F1 driver of all time.
Schumacher was the best. In addition to his speed and racecraft, he understood every other component of achieving victory. He had the right car, the right team and with Ferrari as a racing institution could edge the rules his way (bit like Ferguson in football). As a result he became so dominant that the sport fell into disrepute, but when it comes to the art of winning in modern F1, Schumacher and his team wrote the book.
That's right, he just ended up causing an accident that killed 15 spectators and Von Tripps in Monza 1961 - but hey he is a Brit and therefore a gentleman by default. Fucking idiots you people are.
@@Diesel32 That's besides the point, meaning, MS's chicanery did not end up killing Hill or Villeneuve. I never said JC intentionally crashed into VT, but that he was reckless in going for a gap - on the outside - that did not exist. Also, he was in his 2nd year in F1 and at the time was considered an immature driver by most of the non-British F1 media and drivers. So my point is this, you Brits should stop grandstanding all the other drivers for dangerous and dirty driving when you have plenty of reckless pilots as well - another one being Nigel Mansell, the asshole who while disqualified, crashed into Senna in Estoril 89 nearly killing them both in addition to squeezing Prost to the wall at the start of the very same GP a year later with 20+ cars with full tanks behind him. And once again, not a peep from your stinking media on how reckless NM was - no he was also a gentleman like Mr. Clark. You people are unbelievable.
@BOB1 CLO Hey man, I have also studied in detail Jimmy's accident and not only from what was reported in the British media, but also the Italian press. In both tragedies, ironically, the UK media demonized/discredited the Italian investigation when it came to prosecuting a British driver and team. On both cases the integrity of British driver and team could not be questioned, maybe they were both innocents - I have never said Jimmy caused the accident on purpose - but to assume integrity simply based on nationality is bias to a thousand degrees - to say the least. I must ask you, are you dissapointed at me because I raised that into question or perhaps because it was inconvenient for you to read that perhaps most people from other countries see this issue in the same light? And I can assure you, foreign blogs on this sport have the same view as what I have just described = Jimmy was a great man and talent, but also a flawed genius whom was described by the very same Italian press (please retrieve some of the articles in the local language and put it on a translator) as a reckless driver in his early years. So should I apologize for a thought crime here in raising the point that is widely shared by race fans from other countries? Is this what you mean by me disrespecting Clark? Not only have I not direspected the man, but forums like this are meant for open debates, and I am happy to discuss with anyone who can prove my point wrong, but not those who are accusing me of something that I have not expressed. To be clear, both drivers are legends, and besides the point that we are massive Senna fans, I have to raise the question; why is that since most British people, who don't believe in what I just said about all Brits being a gentleman by default, never held the British sports media feet to the fire when they portrayed both accidents in such a contradictory manner? When Jimmy died, it was and still is said, that it could have only been a mechanical failure - the exact opposite to Senna's accident, where Williams integrity could not be questioned. When Ayrton rammed Prost off the road, no one ever thought twice about the fact Mansell nearly killed him in Estoril 89 and also squeezed Alain to the wall in Estoril 1990 as you've said. Ayrton subsequently admitted that he did crash into Prost on purpose, but it so remains that such accident did not result in their deaths. Conversely, would Jimmy have ever admitted that he mis-judged the overtake and rammed by accident into Von Tripps after some many people have died? Off course not, but the footage shows that Clark was trying an impossible maneuver on the outside and Tripps had the racing line - if not, pls show me overtakes on the outside of Parabolica. In the end that's part of their job, both these guys died like legends and will be forever remembered as the very best - none of their accidents overshadow their achievements. You misunderstood completely my remark and took it to the personal side, which is unfortunate. My critique is about the British self belief in their superiority, which prevents them from questioning their media bias on 2 of the most significant F1 events ever, this makes any criticism of their drivers/teams a thought crime - and this is truly sad to say the least.
@BOB1 CLO Would VT have said that he could trust JC? Why is it surprising that you have never heard a negative comment about him from a foreign press when it is already assumed that what's covered in the British media is the holy grail? If we can dismiss the comments from the Italians about JC because they are biased in favour of VT who died while driving a Ferrari, than surely the same goes for all the positive comments about JC from the British media. It's really these inconsistencies in the self-righteous assumptios that is actually quite annoying to find in the traditional portrayal of legendary F1 drivers - which is not the case at all. Clark was a gentleman, Prost the professor, Nigel the Lion and Senna the guy who thought he had a God given right to win, as the highly distinguished F1 commentator Murray Walker has said ad nauseum over the years about AS. Total garbage and like I said, completely uncontested from the British public - why? He took 2 separate remarks from AS and made up a personality that exists only in the minds of English people. I will repeat, Ayrton never said he raced with God in his cockpit (which I know you know) and that he didn't fear of dying. But that didn't matter, because a respected British commentator said otherwise. He concocted something out of thin air and that has stood now for over 30 years. But when the press from other countries wrote negative comments from JC following the accident where due to his mis-judgement, 15 people died, than they could have only been biased - seriously? They were also biased when the only scientific investigation ever carried out showed that Senna's steering collumn broke before impact [which implied that it was Williams fault for the accident] - according to the British media off course. Frank was knighted and JC is a gentleman, and again, you are outraged that I am simply outlining the views here of foreigners that don't agree with the British perspective of their drivers/teams - why should we all see this in the same way if we don't all read the same press [thank God]? Lastly, I consider every driver and person flawed - this goes without saying or at least it should. Again, it seems from the way you are writing that it's almost a thought crime to assume that JC was flawed, which begs the question really, why has this label ever been applied to AS to begin with? Are all Brits perfect? If not, why would AS's achievement be diminished by such a derogatory label when no one is perfect. Very strange logic here on a national level, which I find it puzzling considering how it is self evident that no one is flawless - unless apparently you are JC.
I disagree about Hamilton and Senna comparison. They do not go about their business the same. Senna took charge of everything around him and used all the tools given to him. Senna never lost focus through a season either which is what I believe is Hamilton's biggest flaw
Like most of the British drivers turned commentators from the 90s, they've all had gripes against Schumacher and they've always been biased against him. Not Herbert mainly, but remember, he was also a teammate of Michael Schumacher and ,in that respect, at one time one of his main competitors. His opinion should be taken with a grain of salt. Senna did similar things that Schumacher did to win titles, and even '94 is more debatable than Johnny makes it sound. In theory, it should never even have gone to the final round, and only did because the FIA banned him for two races for a single infraction which they had already given him a stop-go penalty AND a disqualification for at Silverstone...
Agreed. People remember that maneuver in Adelaide '94 but not the arguably harsh treatment that Schumacher received from FIA. For passing Hill at Silverstone on a parade lap he was given a stop-go, and while his team was appealing after 3 laps they DSQed him and banned for two other races. Schumacher had more dirty moments than the others but we should know the global picture and '94 is far more debatable than most people make it.
Senna did one bad thing to win the title in 1990. Senna was likewise taken out intentionally by Prost that cost him the title. Schumacher has an endless list of attempted sabotaging and cheating to win world titles. All this with a #1 status, far inferior team-mates who wouldn't take points off him, even ordered to let Schumacher past. It's a joke really for anyone to state Schumacher was superior to Senna. Prost was also a superior driver to Schumacher. Never forget what Rosberg did to Schumacher in his comeback. Even accounting for his age, the difference was embarassing
James Smith Really? An endless list? as far as I can recall there were two, maybe three incidents in a career spanning over two and a half decades, of which two were in years where he did not even win the title. Similarly Senna did way more than just Suzuka in 90 but clearly you were not alive or watching and wouldn't know. Senna had number one status at McLaren, was favoured by Honda, also had number two teammates (not including Prost) who would run as his rear gunner, which you would know if you were actally watching races at those times... Yeah, Rosberg beat Schumacher... when Schumacher was 43 years old and not 26 and had way more reliability problems than Nico did. In 2012, in races where Schumacher and Rosberg both finished, Schumacher despite his age actually finished ahead of Rosberg more times...but of course keep letting your bias get in the way. And no, it's not a joke for people to consider Schumacher the greatest... even Murray Walker who knows Formula One better than most people on the planet ranked Schumacher as the greatest because he went to a struggling team and brought it to victory, which he did with every team he we raced for, either while he was there or immediately after he left because of his work. Even Senna had never done that, so there goes your argument.
You're absolutely right Anthony. Schumacher did compete in almost twice as many seasons as Senna so naturally he had more situations to deal with and also I wonder how would other champions drive after 3 years of break. I am not saying I wasn't surprised when he struggled against Nico, but people forget it's not easy to come back to something others do ceaselessly since they're like 5.
For the record I've been watching F1 since the early 80s. 2 or 3? Seriously? There was parking the car on Alonso, Villeneuve, Hill, Coulthard in 98, the cheating of Benetton in 94, both in terms of illegal fuel consumption and hidden menus on the car which is likely Schumacher was using looking at the circumstantial evidence. Then there's Barichello ordered to slow down is symbiotic of their relationship. Honda had an emotional connection to Senna yes, but Prost and Senna's equipment was identical, they received the same treatment and Prost himself stated that there was never any lying on the technical side. For a rookie to come in against the best driver in the world, an established all time great already who had been in the team for years, only to outdrive and outqualify him speaks volumes! Yes, Berger had #2 status, but in the 4 years Senna had a championship-worthy car (best car in 88/89, inferior race pace to the Ferrari in 90 though a better qualifier, and an inferior car to Williams in 91 though better reliability) he always had very stiff competition in those 4 years, Prost in 3 and Mansell in the Williams. Schumacher's Ferrari was literally so far ahead of the competition with the exception of the Mclaren in 98/99 and he lost both to Mika, and he only beat Hakkinen to the championship in 2000 due to McLaren's reliability problems. Then Mika retired and he had the likes of Button, Coulthard and Kimi as competition in a far superior car. Prost or Senna would have won titles every year too in that car with that competition. Now I'm not saying Schumacher isn't an all time great, he is, he gets credit for winning those titles and his determination in getting the best people at Ferrari, his work behind the scenes was a huge contributor to Ferrari's success! I'm also not saying Senna is a saint, 1990 was inexcusable, I remember being very disillusioned with that incident, but I was equally disgusted with Prost the year before. However Schumacher is a step above in that regard but let's agree they were both ruthless. Worth noting Mansell always said Senna was ruthless but he never felt he was unfair, just the tough and hard. So overall, considering the competition both faced, the quality of their cars, and achievements in inferior cars, Senna comes out top. For the record I am in my 40s and been watching F1 since the early 80s. Funnily enough I always liked Prost, another all time great.
Qualifying lap and control in wet condition was far ahead of anybody. He could be the same in dry race if powersteering was available. That time F1 car was physically very tough with no powersteering and paddle shift lever.
Schumacher turned inferior cars into world champions. Senna won driving the best cars and even Prost beat him. Instead of staying at McLaren and helping them back to the top he went to Williams, the best car at the time.
He only had the best car in 88 and 89 (and some people say Ferrari was already a top car in 89), but also the strongest teammate, so your statement is simply wrong. And Williams was terrible in the beginning of 94, far from being the best car...
In all of Sennas CC years, his car was the fastest overall. Problem for Senna. He was not a driver who could tell his engineers to improve the car. When Schumacher got to the track in year 2, he could squeeze sometimes half a second out of it just by his technical know how. Senna may be the fastest, Schumacher the most complete, Villeneuve the most talented driver.
That's a lot of bs there, bowlchamps37. Senna only had the best car in 88 and 89, but also the strongest teammate. In 90 and 91, the Ferrari and Williams, respectively, were the stronger cars. And also, Senna was highly revered as giving extremely detailed feedback, being able to memorize and relay back small details of each lap, so engineers can work on improving the car. He was also very knowledgeable in setup and technical aspects of the machine, thus being able to suggest changes himself. His arguments with Giorgio Ascanelli about which direction to go with a setup and strategy are legendary. Schumacher's primery tool was his speed and consistency, his mental fortitude, but in terms of technical knowledge and testing, he was not that good, at least not during the 90s. He eventually developed such skills with the help of Ross Brawn, but he did not help that much in improving the car. He barely did any testing...
If you only pay attention to statistics and not the reasons behind them, you'll get all the wrong ideas. Senna won only 3 times because he had a lot more competition and because mechanical failures were a much bigger factor during his time than during Ferrari's dominance.
He's absolutely right Hamilton does copy him. Senna was in a league of his own. Nobody not even Hamilton with his 7 World titles will ever get to the status of him. I like Hamilton but the cars are more in control than the driver and Senna was still the controller when he was racing.
Schumacher his early victories where the most impressive. He was a fighter, not a very fair one for that matter, but a fighter anyway. Much of his later victories where not so much about fighting, more like being really the only one in the field. In the early Schumacher years, and for the whole of Senna his, all the big boys were in the game. It was immens competition back then. F1 lost much of that competition from the 00s onwards, it lost its magic to. That is why if people think about Senna, they think about all the heroic things. When they think about Schumacher, they will remember a very fast Ferrari racing against things that could not keep up. It tempers how we remember Schumacher his career , eventhough I think he actually was the very last one of the 'gladiators in race suits' type of driver we remember of Senna his era ;)
great comment! ... for Senna to win, he had to rise above a higher level of competition right up to his last races on pole, leading on his final lap with an inferior (unstable) car while most of Schumacher's career was spent as a 'made man' in the superior Scuderia Ferrari with protection of teammate Barrichello and team orders.
JIM2oob .... that's a crock of bull. The Williams was certainly not the inferior car. That would be the Benetton. That's the bit Senna couldn't get his head around.
"they will remember a very fast Ferrari racing against things that could not keep up" What a loads of bollocks! I watched all those years of MS winning and apart of 2004 I cannot remember any other season where Ferrari were a clearly superior car! For example in 2002 JPM had 5 straight poles in a row, so williams were clearly fast!
MS. The greatest Scumbag in the history of F1. Period. What Johnny mentions is only the tip of the ICEBURG! of what both MS & Ferrari did to help just him win races.... Many rules & regulations today are a direct result of their Cheating attempts...
Schumi is the last classic type of champion we used to see in early 90s and before that. Now all drivers are kind of passanger in their cars. That's why many f1 fans except those from Britain don't see Lewis as one of the greatest.
I am yet to see a driver that raced with both of these guys that rates MS higher. Lastly, Luca di Montezemollo didn't even rate MS as the best driver he worked with, he stated to Eddie Jordan that Alonso was the best. Is he also a Senna fanboy?
