Frieren Beyond Journey's end episode 25 english subitle Frieren meets Serie and tell about his master's wish, Serie remembers little Flamme. Apprentice raised on a whim, Serie tear Flamme's letter. #frieren #fern #anime
i mean as we know now she still remembers every individual personality and favorite spell of every apprentice that she took on you don't do that if you don't care about them biggest tsundere elf indeed
Also her being like "My current students are so short lived and disappointing" and then later secretly admitting she vividly remembers the faces and favorite spells of each of her students, even the ones who "never made their mark on history."
Flamme was not just an apprentice. Serie basically raised her like a foster mother. The mana suppression that Flamme used was likely taught to her by Serie.
"No more human apprentices." Keeps taking human apprentices. "I just took them in on a whim." Yet remembers each and every one's face and favorite spells. "I won't do it." Did it eventually. "Too many people are passing the first-class mage test." Passed 6-7 people on the first-class mage test. "Flamme was a failure. I just raised her on a whim." Obviously hit by her death the hardest and continues to be in mourning after 1000 years. "Frieren. You fail." Has obviously high expectations in the only elf so far from Flamme's line of apprentices. I think we just found the Patron Goddess of Tsundere.
@@e.9874 Well-maintained flowers. Which means she either casts it as often as Frieren does (and Frieren casts that spell a lot during her travels) or she cares enough about said flowers that she uses her magic to make sure they never die and go off color. Either way, solid mana commitment to a "useless" spell. (Oh, Serie...You aeon-old, barefoot tsundere. All your apprentices and grand-apprentices see you for what you really are: Mom. They all just want to hug you and make you proud, but they know you're an awkward softie with the power to destroy empires, so they keep their distance out of purest respect and fear of embarassing you.)
Serie's conversation with Frieren is about Flame and can be summarized in a single sentence: even if 10,000 years pass, and everything still changes, I will continue to love you and remember you, forever... 🥹🫶🧡💛
She did really remembers and smile fondly of the small Flamme’s interactions. Like one commenter once said, she might say she Flamme is nothing to her but she owns one of the biggest garden and accepts human apprentices. Contradicting herself.
Just as Himmel's statues all over the continent. Flamme's magic is her way to keep her master from loneliness. So that her master'd see potentials in humanity's mages, despite our short lifespan. Troughout her life, Serie must've taken all kinds of pupil, she even tried to recruit Fern. Though unlike many, Fern isn't obsessed with Magic itself, but it's usefulness in improving one's life, survivability, even daily activities. Ever since i read the manga when it reaches this point, i kept falling in love with the writing. Kudos Abe Tsukasa!
One day before my first dog died, she was making her usual behavior that she wanted to walk. Me just a little kid and not feeling that well wanted to let it for another day. Easy one of the top 5 things I regret in life.
I love how Serie's a hypocrite and has the spell flowers in her domain or w/e. It's also amusing to know that the spell she derided as stupid with "no use whatsoever" was the catalyst for so many things, like Himmel wanting to become a hero, and seeking out Frieren to help take down the demon lord
It's more a defense mechanism than being truly hypocritical. It's clear that Serie loved Flamme and was deeply hurt by her passing. To reduce the pain, she tries to lie to herself that she never cared about Flamme (including by claiming that Flamme's favourite spell was useless).
@@AD-nq2nz Yea. She's probably afraid to admit that she cares because if she did she would have to confront her emotions and then it would probably gush out and she won't be able to bottle it up and throw them at some corner of her mind.
that's a comprehension skill issue. You're failing to see the bigger picture. Serie understands that being a loser is bad. Thats why she is so strong. Instead of appreciating the fact that she has emotions and is able to control them and not show off weakness because people look up to her, yall irl weaklings try to portray her negative.
I wouldn't call her a tsundere, I think she is just coping "if I say I took care of her on a whim then it won't hurt as much" thats at least how I see it
@@SalamanderBattleBrother that the exact opposite of what actually is. You losers forget that she is one of the strongest ever so thereby correct and doesnt have skill issues. What you described would be an immense obstacle in power level gain. So very clearly, you're wrong. It's just that she is a perfect example of how to have emotions and not be a loser. The fact that that's so shocking to an average guy just shows how the western world has fallen.
@@xypzs5123 sheesh calm down but you are right your response to an observation made by a stranger on the internet really shows how deep the western world has fallen and one more thing I'm not a Westerner.
how I love the characters in Frieren both Flamme and Himmel though long have passed away they forever changed the lives of the people they have met including Frieren and Serie
@@nva_69I think is this case its less her trying to hide weakness and more that, it looks like all the Elves in the series has problems showing emotion at all.
@@firekeeperiswaifu3092I think elves here have issues/fears about forming attachments. Both with shorter-lived races and with their own kind. To form an attachment is to set yourself up for pain. As for why they rarely hang out with their own? Maybe they think it's best because otherwise they'll have all the time in the world to one day hurt and bore each other.
They start to turn emotions into feelings when the human being is long gone. They got all the time of the world to process those emotions into feelings, allright.
Part of it is elves just naturally have a longer view point of time like how Frieren says here how her master seemed pressed for time and she didn’t see the fifty years she spent without seeing the rest of the hero party as any thing big and how the 10 years she spent with them was such a short amount of time that she didn’t really get to know him(that was about 13% of his entire life but was less than 0.1% of her own). Also kind of the reason Frieren can cry for 3 days straight and elves have very little desire to do anything about the slow death of their race. Also Serie is a Tsundere who refuses to admit that she has never once regretted taking any of her apprentices, keeping your magic suppressed is a useless thing according to her(she is literally the best at it).
@@AgentONeal Serie may have been in mourning for a lot longer than that. she is in mourning for every apprentice she has ever had, even the ones she has now. they will be gone in the blink of an eye and the beat of her heart.
@@CoyotesOwn I know that but that's a different scenario. Like it was never shown Frieren holding little Fern's hand (without her getting sick and without Himmel's flashbacks. That's a special moment. But this Flamme-Serie moment looks like a normal occurrence which makes it sweeter. They do it so casually 😩🤧
i mean as we know now she still remembers every individual personality and favorite spell of every apprentice that she took on you don't do that if you don't care about them biggest tsundere elf indeed
I couldn't have imagined that her role as Flamme was how we were sending Atsuko Tanaka off. I can't think of a more fitting role for that. May she rest in peace.
Atsuko Tanaka, a voice actress who played Motoko Kusanagi in the "Ghost in the Shell" series, Flamme in "Frieren:Beyond Journey's End" Hanamori in "Jujutsu Kaisen" and Mary Sera in "Detective Conan" passed away on August 20, Japan time. May she rest in peace.
Not only Flamme was her first apprentice and more like a daughter. But, likely contrary to her other disciples, she left Serie behind to pursue her own alternative path to the future. Serie is resentful because Frieren represents a rejection to her own way. And that's why she also uses such a despicable technique, like Mana suppression. Is so attached to a truly useless Flower spell, or ended up taking over the Mage association. Because deep down, she knows that Flamme was right. You have to embrace change. Just like Himmel with Frieren, Flamme is still teaching her beyond the Journey's end.
One can assume someone can only take so much loss in there life before they start to develop a defense towards it. A numbness or pragmatic approach towards it so that it stops hurting. How much loss has Serie seen in her life to become so hard and jaded. I love the series take on the elvish race as apathetic creatures that become addicted to an interest as they mentally separate from the world. One would imagine they would find there others of the same race rather annoying as it would be a reflection of the short comings they also dwell with.
Well you can see it in Frieren's and Kraft's interaction's, while she was gratefully (in a very formal sense) for the help there seemed to be an air of tension and distance whenever they talked to each other. Not hostility but more like they wanted to get over this relatively quickly.
I think you're misunderstanding something. Serie's defense towards losing those important to her seems to be less numbness and pragmatism than it is the quality of quantity. She may have closed herself off from others for a millennia, but there she is, a thousand years later, carrying on Flamme's vision. Serie has surrounded herself with apprentices that she had a hand in developing and all of whom she will outlive. She remembers all her apprentices and all of their favorite spells and probably has a use for all of them. Serie isn't the jaded loner closing herself off from others to not get hurt. She's the cranky grandmother who makes you soup after you caught a cold from playing in the rain...
I dont think any Tsundere can ever beat this ultra Tsundere. Literally almost every damn thing that she says about not caring about others is the complete opposite of how she actually felt.
she just understands that showing too much is very bad. Appreciate the character and see the bigger picture. I'm laughing at how short sighted people have become.
@@xypzs5123I'm laughing at how pathetic one must be to bother so much about other people's perception at one caracther rather than keeping his ass demeanor to himself and shut the fuck up in the comments. It's impressive how childish and stupid some people have become.
I wouldn't call her a tsundere, I think she is just coping "if I say I took care of her on a whim then it won't hurt as much" thats at least how I see it.
@@SalamanderBattleBrother Yea. It's really sad. If you live that long you would become like that. Lying to yourself to make it hurt less. And elf's seem to have the emotions stay longer as I think there was a time frieren cried for 3 days straight so it might actually hurt for her more than humans as we don't really have an eternity to feel the pain.
She is a tsundere if you forget about the anime cliche. If you google it, it is literally 'a character development process that depicts a character with an initially harsh personality who gradually reveals a warmer, friendlier side over time'. She isn't the dumb screeching annoying tsundere, but just an ancient being with a rough exterior, that only showcases her loving side in some statements, but almost never in tone.
Like so many children that age, every shot of young Flamme is adorable. And every shot reminds you how even in human terms how quickly that time passes away.
Btw young Frieren was so kind and gentle. Now she's sweet but more like a grandma than anything else. Serie, on the other hand, seem to have never grown the adolescent phase lol. Stubborn and adolescent for n thousands years lol
It's maybe because she's lived for so long that Serie is this much of a tsundere. If I had spent the last 1,000 years mourning a loved one, I'd prefer not to feel anymore too. Or lie to myself and everyone else about it and hope it hurts less, but eventually give in because you can't run away from your own true emotions forever even if you're an all-powerful elf mage
Elves here probably have an evolutionary trait where they experience less empathy than humans or dwarves. Which is kind of advantage to them. Imagine outliving your friends and loved ones knowing they'll die within a century.
It makes me cry, we kinda see a mother who by time grows attached to the people who she guides. She remembers their favorite spells, even if they are not meant to kill others. She remembers how happy they were, how they were little and ran around her, how they grew and sadly how they died too. It may not look like it but the deaths of her students, really bit her hard. She look's as if she frozen the time and rememebrs them there and she misses them a lot.
RIP Atsuko Tanaka being the voice actress of Flamme my favorite in Frieren and Major Motoko Kusanagi in Ghost in the Shell my favorite anime I will miss her voice and this scene has from now on more weight in my heart.
I just noticed that there is a psttern. An elf raising and teaching a human in magig. A human raising and teaching an elf in magic. An elf raising and teaching a human in magic.
اهخ بس ما اقدر على خبر موتها بسس لا اعتراض على قدر الله ، اهخ افضل صوت انثى بالنسبه لي ابدعت المؤديه بالذات بشخصية كونان ناروتو يعني الشخصيه والمؤديه ماتو اهخ يالغصه كيف ارجع اسمع صوتها طبيعي 💔
Its amazing how heartbreaking you can make a scene when you have a character telling you how they didn't care but the visuals tell you they really did care, even a thousand years later
Serie: "I just raised her on a whim." Also Serie: "I knew her since she was a kid. Her favorite spell is one that make flowers bloom. She dies so fast and yet she managed to become progenitor of human mage. Because of her there will be many mages in the future."
Just like a flame in a match, she explodes with light and energy and burns with a warmth that can be felt by everyone around her. But just like a flame in a match, she quickly dims with time until there is nothing left to burn.
Despite Serie only showed half of this season, there's already tons of her contradiction: 1. She teach human (Flamme I mean) magic because of whim. In the end after Flamm's death, she teach dozens human magic over thousand years span 2. She disappointed with Flamme, in the end Flamme considers one of the best Pupils. 3. She doesn't want grant Flamme Will, in the she granted it (hold the test) 4. She doesn't want other pupils anymore, yet she amazed with Fern and want make her as her pupils 5. Disregard flower magic as useless magic, yet she itself have garden with tons of flower (definitely using magic) 4. She criticized Frieren for lack of ambition, yet she itself also reluctant to fight itself 5. She wish only few passed the exam, ended up half dozens of exam participants pass. 6. Indirectly disregard Frieren, yet also praise her.
Serie is such a great character. I feel like this distant behavior is sth elves just do and Serie just has no idea what she is dealing with right now. I really like her and her voice is just amazing. I was kinda sad seeing her mourn in her own way which is legit since everyone is different.
Serie: Complains about useless flower field spell. Also Serie: Constantly surrounded by flowers with no gardener in sight, which suggests said flowers are from Flamme's spell :)
I would really like to think that Serie, despite how she actually felt, it is her defense mechanism on how she mourn to all the humans that she will outlived. She needs to be cold-hearted, ruthless, "doesn't" care about anyone to reject all those negative emotions about rejection and mourning.
To be honest this may be foreshadowing Ubel more than Fern, given Ubel is a psychopath and in a way Fern's perfect foil. Fern is basically a cold person that closes emotions in but lets them out around those close to her, but she is an empath and fundamentally a good person, she cares about the wellbeing of the weak. Ubel is straight up a psychopath that pretends to have empathy to aquire power from the weak. I believe Serie saying a human mage could kill her isnt Fern, since Fern is kiling a clone, not the real deal. But the real deal, Ubel is the most dangerous person Fireren could go up against because she could match her based on her skillsets.
Serie thinks that it's useless to create field of flowers?? Imagine using that spell to flower a field of rice paddy or wheat . They will bear grains .
So is serie going to be a big antagonist down the line? The way these 2 stood facing different directions when talking about human mages (serie looking back stuck in the past, frieren looking forward towards the bright future) feels like a setup way down the line. Foreshadowing to why serie will do things we dont yet know
Magic is created via imagination, humanity has no scope for what an immortal lifespan would be like or how to create one, just like you can't pick apart water from blood. Elves do have the scope for it, but I'm not entirely sure they understand it fundamentally either as how a being is created is a mystery to the world at large.
How do you know that? That demon king's armies is less worse and most definitely not equally worse same as humans? You work for them? May I know more of your experiences and POV in working with them pls?😢
