Serral vs Classic - Epic Late Game MASTERCLASS! (StarCraft 2) 

What happens once the NP has finished? Do the interceptors become the Toss player's again?

I'd assume so. What would be interesting is what would happen if zerg NP's a carrier, starts building an interceptor, and cancels neural. Who gets the 15 minerals?

​@@hangover89who is asking? Are you from the tax department?

@@mso2013 the overmind just wants to make sure that serral's mineral contributions to the swarm are up to code

@@hangover89i believe there was a @feardragon 99% useless facts on this. I think the player who paid always gets it back, whether it's cancelled before or after the neural ends. She with any unit that can spend resources. Don't quote me though 😓

it being a serral late game video Chefs kiss

Better if it was dark

@@Candle45just wait a couple of hours

Better if it was reynor crashing a terran

And with this being one game in a series, that fatigue is going to weigh in on the rest of the games.

nah, classic was strong+dangerous till the end. gotta bring down the giant with 100 needle stings.

Ummm... repeating it for the third time in this comments section because my glee just won't let me stop. This game was a part of Bo3. Which was won by Classic. All three games were fair macro oriented battles, Lowko just cherrypicked this one for some reason ))

@@AlexCatable I see.

Yes. This game frustrated me to no end as a protoss player.

If protoss wants to win then they really need to be ontop of their ht micro and try to low the corruptors and manuaval around the spore forest with maybe a recall and a few zealots. One big thing is voidray bug thats been out for years which prevents them from chasing with the ability making them trash even against corruptors.

Well they are playing against Serral who is crazy in ZvP. In the video Lowko gives us the stats for 2023. Going into this he has 96.9% win rate in ZvP.

Please tell me you didn't just use the #1 player on Aligulac (with the #1 rating vs Protoss), facing the #13 player on Aligulac (with the #12 rating vs Zerg) as an allegory for the general PvZ lategame situation. I'm pretty sure that in 2021, Serral and Stats had a 3-hour series (I think it should actually be somewhere on Lowkow's channel). I can't remember Stats' Aligulac rank at the time, but he was regularly in or near the top 10, and Classic isn't far behind that at the moment. Suffice to say, this is a showcase in the difference in skill between an excellent player (Classic) and an all-time great (Serral).

​@@jeremyduke4938How often do you have to play against Serral?

Do you have vipers and infestors in separate groups? I find having them in the same group and pressing tab is better for me. Not optimal but it is a group less to keep my mind on. (Just be carefull about presning alt at the same time lol.)

sooooo boring

thats basically strategy in anything vs protoss... let shittier race run at us and lose cuz they cant win in same numbers battle

blizzard balancing lmao

Shouldnt have happend especially that im a newb and really wanted to see what that ship can do

Marine sinks in air, mothership floats in air. Therefore mothership weighs less than a marine, checkmate! /jk

it would be nonsense) like, lore-wise, how and why exactly does cost is refunded after "warpingout"? either its not a "warp out", but disintegration with toss player collecting atoms for reusing, killing fellow war veterans in the process or after "warp out" they are disassembled/eisintegrated/sold into sexual slavery and toss manager from the other side send player payment. Fisrt doesnt fit beacuse "honor", second doesnt fit because "honor" and question "why protoss empire doesnt just send toss player a credit to crush enemies in early game to then mine out the map and pay interest?"

Everything you said is true and it has been this way for the past 6 years at pro level

This is in good part just Serral being a monster. To underline how insane Serral's winrate is, in Aligulac's balance report, there has been a grand total of ONE month within the last 2,5 YEARS when PvZ hasn't been Protoss favoured, and out of the non-mirror matchups it's consistently the most lopsided one in Aligulac's stats - again, in the favour of Protoss. PvZ is the one matchup that has gone over a 55-45 imbalance at all, and has done so multiple times. And then Serral just comes and makes the game's most imabalanced matchup look like child's play.

except CLASSIC played badly here.... spent twice as much on ZEALOTs than ZERG did on zerglings

@@jesusbarrera6916 to be honest i think classic is just doing desperate attemts as he knows he cant face zerg in battle

Actually i would like to see that battle. The corruptors are ridiculous strong on numbers, the 2 supply is way to low. Easy to mass, and start one-shooting every air unit, even the void-rays that in teory should be the counter. But costig 4 supply, you never can compete against zerg air army

@@nmgaro2156 problem is the Corruptor is the only viable anti air ZERG has, and it is only anti air as opposed to Void Rays and Vikings but yeah the Void Ray has needed a patch for quite a long time now

@@jesusbarrera6916 yeah unfortunately it felt too OP year ago so not allowed... here is your purple crystal pheonix have fun

I'll try not to be biased here but I personally think it largely depends on a mix of factors,because unless you're not a Serral or a Reynor,pros whose skill level is insanely high even for most top players standards,you're very unlikely to be able to pull off their tactics with the same frequency and accuracy,if we leave out the high pro scene and take actual statistics into consideration in most instances Skytoss comes out as a very efficient army composition which doesn't even require an insane amount of micro to be effective,while the zerg usually needs at least three micro focused units in their army to counter it.

@@Seageass01 exactly, people don't realize how hard it is to micro against late game toss and Terran. The apm requirement is insane and the chance of error is just as high, the average player can't do it. That's why protoss and Terran have higher win rates on the ladder in until the highest skilled players, then you see zerg pick up.

Assuming their micro skills are equal, zerg wins 100% of the time vs protoss at pro level. In your scenario there is no theoretical winning pathway, unfortunately

@@bigprank3964 Assuming their micro skills are equally perfect the templars feedback basically stops any zerg spellcasters in their track. So, if anything, it isn't the theoretical winning path but the practical.

This is in good part just Serral being a monster. To underline how insane Serral's winrate is, in Aligulac's balance report, there has been a grand total of ONE month within the last 2,5 YEARS when PvZ hasn't been Protoss favoured, and out of the non-mirror matchups it's consistently the most lopsided one in Aligulac's stats - again, in the favour of Protoss. PvZ is the one matchup that has gone over a 55-45 imbalance at all, and has done so multiple times. And then Serral just comes and makes the game's most imabalanced matchup look like child's play.

Pick Z, Z vs Z is Serral weak spot

Don't forget neural parasite either, on top of yoinking key ships you can reach out and turn others against their own army thusly doubling the breakdown of the enemy. Yes it does become a "who can micro and click better on key targets" which is why the pros are pros and we are lowly peons that eat our hot pockets and wish we had a fraction of this skill but I fully agree Zerg was given a huge boon in game tipping. They also get the ability to slow groups of units, throw living bombs on air targets, and blinding clouds so ground targets can't shoot... Terran gets snipe, yamato gun, and nukes (if those ever actually work), Protoss gets psi storm, psi storm, and more psi storm. Zerg just has an overwhelming arsenal of tools they can use to simply win with their eyes closed, if you don't overwhelm them quickly in the early to mid game and shut it all down you might as well save yourself the wasted time and go find a new game.

I’d recommend playing the game before judging the balance. It’s a very well polished game, and through its history everyone has argued about their race being underpowered while other races are OP. Toss lost this game because he depleted his bank with zealot, ht, and dt run-bys that were not cost efficient. That depleted his bank, prevented him from remaxing into a ground army to sweep across the map for the win. After an air fight, corrupters are useless and take up a ton of supply. Even if morphed into broodlords, they are slow and can be easily out maneuvered by blink stalker.

Your observation is spot on danielmarques. I have been playing and watching sc2 for the past 12 years, and objectively speaking (since i'm terran), zerg has been overpowered for the past 6 years at pro level. If the zerg pro plays well, the protoss pro is going to lose every single match, and quite often every single game as well, and it is likely gonna stay this way in the future

you do realize that serral is the only one who consistently wins against airtoss lategame and every player below the top 10 zerg will lose against this airtoss army? You also realize that stating "i dont think classic missplayed or was out of position" while also saying "his mothership got abducted" is a direct contradiction, the second your mothership gets abducted you missplayed, because you went out of position.

@@dijango0015 There seems to have been a few misunderstandings here. Largest of all is what constitutes a "misplay". To me a "misplay", is when a player gets a negative outcome in a situation where, if they took a different approach they could have either come out on top or at least mitigate the damage done. When Classic has his armies on his side of the map, on top of his base, and Serral just takes his Coruptor/Viper control group and flies in, Abducts the Mothership and kills it, and then flies out. I don't think that is a misplay on the part of Classic. There were no actions he could have taken to stop it. He was in as safe a position as he could be without putting his army in the corner of the map. Trying to run would not work seeing as the Mothership moves at the pace of a snail. The only real action he could have taken, was to instantly feedback all 4 Vipers in the split second before their Abductions went off, by targeting them amoungst the dozens of Coruptors. But unless Classic is a computer thats not a real option. In short, Yes it is possible to lose your Mothership and not have "misplayed". Additionally my point was never that Zerg never loses. I'm sorry if that is how I came across. My main point is that in this position Protoss has no counter option to Abductor play. And in a strategy game that is an awful situation, not only for the player themselves but for the game as a whole. Games are decided by hundreds of different factors, and Serral won because he was the better player. However I think its important to point out when the game design has a very clear problem. In this case, the lack of counter play to things like Abduction.

That dark play is just pure trolling lol.

Classic vs. Serral is a "Serial"

hur hur hur