Setting Up A Massive Face Mill For The Horizontal Boring Mill - Manual Machine Shop 

Non paying jobs get pushed back until there is time. This one took way longer than expected, so had to be finished up to move on. It will get some rework, but at least it's mostly there.

I will actually be doing that. Just ran out of time and energy on this one. Needed to be done to move on to other jobs.

Hi Max, we think along the same lines. Cheers Ian

It is liable to be a stepped insert mill anyway. Most of the big ones I find like that are.

I quit working on vehicles several years ago. I still do the commercial trucks and heavy equipment, but small vehicles are an absolute nightmare. Around here the road salt makes it almost impossible to work on anything without huge piles of rust. Several of the shops have set rates they can charge, so if a 20 minute job takes 8 hours, it still only costs the 20 minute price.

@@TopperMachineLLC Those shops with set rates either choose to refuse those jobs or go out of business - you just can't keep doing that. In their own employment the owners of those vehicles get paid regardless if a job takes longer than expected. Why should they think that working on something that is that bad, that those doing the work should only be paid "non salt road affected job" rate. I also underquote at times but if something like that occurs then either the customer understands or they go elsewhere. Luckily that 3 1/2 job was for a friend who returns the favour when I need work on the house. No money changes hands. Also he was hands-on here all the way through the job and understands all it took to do the job.

@TopperMachineLLC That's called flat rate when a shop charges that way. In my younger years, I worked as a mechanic at a John Deere dealership and also a New Holland dealership. The New Holland dealership charged a flat rate for repairs. The manufacturer determines how long a repair should take. It isn't even the shop that determines how long it should take. Even when a shop doesn't charge by the flat rate, it still tries to stay very close to the suggested time estimates. As a mechanic, you better be able to get your work done pretty close to that time. Those shops that charge flat rate aren't really in danger of going broke. You have to remember that if they're charging $100 an hour for labor, they are probably paying the mechanic less than $20 an hour. Some of the recommended times were almost impossible to achieve even after I had done the same job 3 or 4 times. There were others that we could find shortcuts for, and make the company a lot of money. For every job you took a beating on, you would have three or four that you came out extremely well on.

I considered that, but would also have to mill a new slot for the drive bar. Being hard, that may not have gone well. This was a simple solution for a one time build.

​@@TopperMachineLLC Indeed, that would have increased the complexity a lot.

Imagine a guy comes into your work and tells you how to do your job, never considering there might be a rhyme to your reason. Better to drill 4 holes than to hard mill a new slot and hard drill 4 holes for a cutter specific arbor. He would have spent more time re-grinding drills and buying end mills doing it that way...

@@Airtight215 You are right. I'm trying to learn from Josh. Why he makes a choice is part of me learning. I can formulate is more as a question.

I'd give that a go on something of mine. Did you see the video I did with the 5" face mill on the 1HP Bridgeport? It handled it, but not huge cuts. It would be fun to try it.

Horses for courses. No way id put bigger than 2 inches into R8 Bridgeport it will knock the shit out of it. Only use these in bed type mills with 40 International spindle or bigger.

I have a 6MT to 50 flash change, but finding those is difficult. I have a few now, but I also just picked up a 6MT to 2" Weldon. With all sizes of folders and TG100 & 150 holders.

We just sawed the log, so editing will be soon. Hopefully next Tuesday!

Absolutely. Always expect the worst, never be disappointed.

I just needed a good break to get caught up a bit. More videos are coming. Lots of cool stuff in the works.

Close enough for the first job. It will get tried up eventually, when needed. It's a little hard to put a tool in the video, when I've never had a vise on this machine. Seriously, not once in 8 years of owning it. I could clamp it to an angle plate or something else. Someday

Soon, I plan to use it soon.

I never liked using the mist, because you breathe that in. But it is definitely a necessary evil at times. It improved the slotting jobs immensely

Especially more so in our current world.

And work is the curse of the drinking class.

I had one close call, then learned how to safely hold the emery cloth. Usually the danger is in having your fingers too close to the part.

The Lucas makes more sense to me than the others. It's like a lathe. The spinny part is on your left and the work is on the right. Lol

@@TopperMachineLLC That was the thoughts about it back in the 70's. The G&L is built sturdier. We had one sitting on 6 foot depth of reinforced concrete. Also saw one at Westingbouse that the operator rode in a cage attached to the head. Used for maching ship props.

LOL. I only wish I could be as talented as those guys. Unfortunately, I married and moved out of my mom's basement, so I have no hope of ever being that skilled. LOL

That was the first thing I checked. Everything is still available. I have had tooling over the years that I bought like you're talking. All went into the scrap bin. I probably could have sold them, but why put someone else through that.

Around 3-4 hours away yet. I'm much further north and west.

No, something with the lighting in here makes it look like it is.

What some view as foul, most view as normal daily language. What do viewers want? Fake people doing work or the real person's personality coming through.

I'm using Firefox and Adblock Plus. No commercials! I've not found his audio to be too problematic, I listen on my hearing aids through the Bluetooth connection, and there is a volume limiter which helps flatten out the peaks. Alas, in some settings, a few salty epithets helps things fit, and even a hearty "My Stars and Garters!" just doesn't work. While Mr. Topper may be guilty of the occasional opprobrious epithet, he doesn't use them as punctuation as a certain other RU-vid machinist. (His wife ought to rinse out his mouth with PineOPine). So I'll grant Mr. Topper a little Christian forgiveness, his other good works way over balances the verbal persuasions.

@@TopperMachineLLC I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE THE REAL PERSON. I'M NOT GOING TO STOP WATCHING JUST BECAUSE YOU SWEAR. STILL A LOT BETTER THAN ALL THE RAPS THESE KIDS ARE LISTENING TO. NOW THAT'S EXTREMELY FOUL AND OFFENSE AND JUST CAN'T LISTEN TO THAT. THANK YOU FOR BEING REAL MR TOPPLER GOD BLESS

@@jackjohnson6074 Rap is just a shortened word for Crap. It is far from music, and you're 100% correct on it being foul and offensive. It should be outlawed.

I had a job one time turning 5" induction hardened shaft down to 4". It had a Keyway, so interupted cut wasn't going to be good on the proper grade of inserts. I used TPG 432, 22rpm, 0.010 feed, 0.010DOC. I had to grind the inserts to a large radius to hold up. Every pass was a regrind. That job was a emergency job for a new customer, landed me everything out of their facility ever since. But, that was a rough job.

I considered redrilling the arbor, but then I'd have to cut a new slot for the drive bar. As the arbor was hardened, it made more sense to modify the cutter. Future rework is in order, but may be a ways out with other things taking priority. It is a Sumitomo.

Sumitomo

Lol, it's really not that bad. 12 inserts, about $15.00 each.

I'm sure it would work on the bandsaw. I bought it from KBC Tiool

Some things get edited out. I actually did some indicating and trying of the taper.

@@TopperMachineLLC That's good. Sorry if came across as a bit nitty picky ! I've only recently started using precision ground stones, and blueing. The taper did sound right slapping into the holder. That surface mill looks like it's capable of some heavy work.

Murphys law.

It's what I had been given. No issues using it.

@@TopperMachineLLC Just as long asl you do not forget and run it the wrong way, would get expensive with that many inserts. You will sometimes see cutters like this in left and right hand sets. Some special mills were made with two spindles so you could face both sides of the part in one pass. With a left, right cutter set both cutters would be pushing the part down into the table to keep things stable.

@@andreblanchard8315 Expensive? Cite the price son. Go...

I did, had to order some in. SAE washers are not available at my local hardware store.

I totally agree. Unfortunately, with this machine, most of the tooling has to be built or modified. I look at the long term cost of not having the tooling for future jobs. Yes, this took longer to do, and potentially lost 5 hours of revenue. But I needed it to make the tooling for the slotter that will make thousands in the next 6 months. Or, any future milling job I could have missed out on. On a similar front. A friend of mine called and asked for advise on making a cross slide screw for a lion lathe. I told him to just order it instead of making one. He got the price quite and said he will just make it. I again advised him to order it. Your time is worth more than having the machine down for however long it takes to make one. And then if you screw up, you're out more time and material. It's all simple business math. Some things you make, most others you just buy.