Seven Die in a Six Seater 

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That’s the case anywhere. Flying driving working . Even sport shooting. Don’t take care of your equipment, you’re going to be in trouble. I worked at an FBO in college and some owners thought their planes were toys, they had issues. The guts that treated it like a profession didn’t. Also GA guts need to act like airline guys an operate with a minimum maneuvering speed with built in cushions so the don’t stall spin

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Not sure it was complacency as much as poor judgement… too many actual and potential mechanical points of failure

Complacency using any machine is a killer, be it a plane, a car, a motorbike or even a factory machine

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@@flyingformoney777 25,000 hour Airline pilot here. Often involved in aircraft incident reports. You/re a gifted writer and narrator. Better than I ever hoped to be.

Very true I see many pilots not doing pre flights, checking weight and balance after flying a few years.

Please stop saying kudos. Do you know how stupid that sounds. What are you an old woman

dude, if you're going to use appeal to authority, you should list impressive credentials, lmao.

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I thought it wa Joe Friday's grandson! !

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So, is it safe to say it was his fault? I know that sounds harsh..... or was it engine failure and having the landing gear down. Wow, I never thought that having landing gear down could cause such a problem. Very sad story.

@@lorimart747 you don’t intentionally take off in a plane with a known discrepancy like “the gear won’t retract”. That’s kind of a big deal. Most light twin engine planes like this cannot experience an engine failure on takeoff and continue to climb.. it WILL crash. Twins also have higher stall speeds, and off airport landings aren’t as survivable like a single engine plane would be.

​@@thomasaltruda Seriously. Taking off with a known malfunction (especially gear) is one thing. But a malfunction that prevents the aircraft from staying airborne in a OEI scenario is ridiculous. Why even bother having 2 engines??

@@litarea was the plane you are talking about on a ferry permit and no pax? That’s different than flying a plane with a known discrepancy full of passengers..

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The NTSB doesn’t clarify the ages of the occupants. They only mention adults and teenagers. It is possible that young kids were on board as well

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Indeed, it’s almost always a series of small things that cause catastrophes, not a single big thing. Aeronautical decision making requires PIC’s to looks for the small things and add them up before their cumulative weight negates the physics of controlled flight. If ADM is contaminated by “get-there-it is” the calculation fails all too often. Yes, as pilots we have all bent the rules. But as we gain experience (not necessarily reflected in logbook hour totals, unfortunately!) our personal minimums should and often do shift toward being more cautious. Such was not the case here, apparently. As PP owner-operators, we don’t have dedicated ground crew who vet our aircraft before every flight. We have to do our ADM alone. Flight service and ATC won’t do it for us. In my experience, this means as owner and PIC I have to regard “the rules” not as something fluid that I can play around with, but firm boundary markers for the limits of safety. This is especially true when there are other souls whose lives depend on the PIC making good decisions. The possibility that my flight decisions could be responsible for the deaths of my wife, children, and grandchildren, as was the case here, is one I take very seriously, and even moreso after viewing this excellent video presentation.

So, are you saying it was human error? That would be REALLY sad!

Hey you're right about that. I like the style for sure

Nobody thought that they could/would die that day. Just a quick hop and everyone was excited. What could go wrong?

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Still pretty darn dull.

@@BjorgenEatinger What are the other options when actual footage of the event is either nonexistent or unobtainable?

@@BjorgenEatinger So sorry for your boredom Bj…it’s a bitch ain’t it?

@@keng7758 Huh?

Sometimes, having the means for misadventure.

Do they know why the engine failure happened? Plus, if the landing gear was up could one engine bring you safely down for an emergency landing??

@@lorimart747 the engine was defective but the added strain put on the engines by flying with the gear down with high RPM settings to try to gain altitude because of weight could have caused the marginal engine to fail.

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No mention of kids being on board by the NTSB. Only adults and two or three teenagers

@@flyingformoney777 Right. My point was that the number of seats does not always equal the legal number of passengers. The exception is just very narrow.

I’ve flown a few with the gear down. Every single engine pilot in the world tasks risks equal or greater to this on every flight. Still a shame…

Well Spidee you ain't flown much. I can till you that.

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PS…I run my 310 & 210 with 4-5 seats always. I have said no on many occasions. When I start trading fuel for peeps I have my answer. Thanks for the reminder!

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a P Baron is a pig. That's what the "P" stands for

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NTSB listed flying with a known mechanical discrepancy as the cause, but poor judgment probably fits it better. I’ve ferried aircraft with the gear down, but always with the aircraft as light as possible (and a ferry permit).

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Very solid and to the point, yes, as well as very refreshing!! No mismash!!

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Rossi Bertolli: Even brand new airplanes break. There's almost always something out of spec on an aircraft somewhere at some time. If you only fly perfect airplanes, well you just don't get to fly much.

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The NTSB did not provide a list of passenger ages, but the witness reports they included only mentioned adults and the teenage girls

12! I don't know of any FAA regulation that prohibits the pilot from flying a aircraft with a drooling little rugrat strapped to their belly. 🤠

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All aircraft in the United States must undergo a annual inspection in order to receive their airworthiness certificate from the FAA for that year. Aircraft used for commercial purposes are inspected every 100 hours. It is up to the pilot to determine the airworthiness of the aircraft before *EVERY* flight. In this case, the pilot unfortunately decided that it would be a good idea to essentially become a "test pilot", and conduct the flight just outside of the safe operating envelope of the aircraft.

Yours is a good answer. But a great deal of the accidents on RU-vid aviation are airframe or engine maintenance issues. If it wasn’t for the specific media sites most of these accidents would go unnoticed. Because of the sheer cost of aviation, a lot of aircraft are flying in some comprising condition. Just waiting to pounce on the right set of circumstances that will catch out the crew or ground crews. We can learn from these situations but never stop it. Thanks for the rebuttal.

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