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Seven of Nine's Unforgiveable Sin she was forced to forget 

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@alistairrae9807
@alistairrae9807 Год назад
Characters like Seven and Picard have never truly forgiven themselves for murdering and assimilating thousands maybe millions of people
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Год назад
Which is why I’ve never understood the people saying she shouldn’t have joined the Rangers. It makes total sense to me, she’d feel she could do better absolving her soul by helping people directly rather than going through the ranks. (Starfleet refusal or no!)
@jamesbizs
@jamesbizs Год назад
@@kaitlyn__L why would they say she shouldn’t?
@mbpaintballa
@mbpaintballa Год назад
@@jamesbizs there's fans that think the federation is a model government.
@august7535
@august7535 Год назад
​@@mbpaintballa It might not be perfect but it certainly better than anything we've currently got going on, it's the closest to Utopia We could probably ever achieve
@mbpaintballa
@mbpaintballa Год назад
@@august7535 how many times did that incompetent government almost get everything wiped out because they thought their military wan't a military?
@donovanbradford8231
@donovanbradford8231 Год назад
That moment at the end is a great one, "I can't forgive you for what you've done, but I understand why" sometimes understanding is the important part of healing and knowing whether the pain was your fault or even could have been prevented.
@mrthewhite2620
@mrthewhite2620 Год назад
She didn't become a child when disconnected, she became an individual borg just like the others with a hybrid individual and borg personality. The others had strong adult personalities that were able to present themselves where 7 did not. She had a child individual personality that couldn't deal with the conflict and retreated to the borg personality for protection. Thats why I think this wasn't her fault, she still had borg instincts driving her and it scared her child personality into submission.
@owenstith5550
@owenstith5550 Год назад
I was going to post this, but then I saw yours. I think you may have phrased it more clearly then I probably would have though. So, I agree with your reasoning. :)
@seasidescott
@seasidescott Год назад
But we see similar tendencies in her later, part of her personality that are common to many people.
@maisiesummers42
@maisiesummers42 Год назад
Seems to me that Seven's entire journey has been about finding family. As a child, her last human memory was of her parents being ripped away from her. In the collective, her parents were still there, and the collective itself was a family. This is why when the scout ship crashed, she fought hard to return the others, and herself to the collective. She let them go, but she herself returned to her family. On Voyager, she found a new family. One that was more free. Her connection with Picard and Raffi came about from a desire to bring individuals into her life (I'm guessing when Janeway was promoted to admiral, and with Seven being seen as a Borg by Starfleet, they were forcibly separated). As a ranger, she had let go of all that. She didn't want to be alone, but she couldn't find anything else to do, and felt separated from her family. Raffi being in Starfleet allowed her, reluctantly, to join them, not realising that Raffi being in Intelligence, and Starfleet preferring to keep family members separated, would lead to more isolation. She probably hoped to find a new family on the Titan, but Shaw's PTSD prevented that. She did manage to form a degree of friendship with some of the crew (LaForge), but it was still tough. Just my thoughts.
@katakisLives
@katakisLives Год назад
I remember we briefly see her parents as drones in one episode, I wonder what became of them.
@HyperVectra
@HyperVectra Год назад
Worst Parents? I think Icheb's were a little worse
@GalactusOG
@GalactusOG Год назад
Seven is my all time GOAT Trek character.
@extrahomegrown
@extrahomegrown Год назад
i love the picard show and 7 being in it is a big part of it
@JohnSmith-xq1pz
@JohnSmith-xq1pz Год назад
He's an possible video idea. What if the Borg assimilated a Changling?
@rayhatton7683
@rayhatton7683 Год назад
Hummmm. That's a good question. Can the Borg accumulate this being?
@JohnSmith-xq1pz
@JohnSmith-xq1pz Год назад
@@rayhatton7683 One would assume so since they do have cellular structure and and can be effected by a viruses.
@rayhatton7683
@rayhatton7683 Год назад
@@JohnSmith-xq1pz you got a point there. They were infected by that virus in the DS9 episode. Though I would like to see this to believe it. It is a concept that is never seen in show or cannon to my knowledge.
@ricgillingham8056
@ricgillingham8056 Год назад
Hi Lore just wanted to say I love your work all ways enjoy listening to your content keep up the great work and live long and prosper ....🖖
@2011multisam
@2011multisam Год назад
Episodes like that really cemented what good character writing could be for me when I watched Voyager growing up, we all know what the "right" thing to do might be but people are more complicated than that, and a well-written character is a person while they're on the screen/page/etc
@seasidescott
@seasidescott Год назад
I'm trying to remember any moment of self-sacrifice on 7's part, when she wasn't all about self survival? Yeah, she did good stuff in the Rangers but when it meant her life?
@BeyondtheRailz
@BeyondtheRailz Год назад
What up Lore? I hope all is well, how's the fam?
@mineofilms
@mineofilms Год назад
I wrote a blog on the episode, “Someone To Watch Over Me” a few years back. This is the episode where Seven tries to learn romantic love and dating. After thinking long and hard on this one I came to the conclusion that Seven of Nine and Annikah are 2 seperate people that tend to cross over, much like Jack the narattor and Tyler Durden in Fight Club. Not exactly but in the same realm. You have Annikah the 6-year-old girl and Seven of Nine a grown Borg drone. Her adult side is all Borg while her human side is that of a child. When Seven's access to the collective is finally severed by the collective at the end of her Borg run and her service begins aboard Voyager the human version of Seven is a mashup of both Annikah the child and Seven the Borg into this new Seven Borg/human hybrid. My only real disappointment in the character is they could have done way mre with this. Granted it was the late 90s, so this is all resrospective but I thought it was an interesting thing to write about. Romantism of a Borg converted to Human, as most of her human self, personality wise, is that of a little child, not an adult, and then forced to be Borg. No she was a child from the start. Nightmares are always more scary to a child, especially if that nightmare is a real, live one... Here is the link to the blog if anyone is curious at my take on Seven and love : mineofilms.me/70-2/
@lordofpain3476
@lordofpain3476 Год назад
It's called doing what needs to be done .
@katakisLives
@katakisLives Год назад
I don't think she can be held responsible for her actions here. the term diminished responsibility springs to mind, she may have technically been disconnected from the collective but their hold over her was still strong. she had hardly even started to assert her individuality.
@matthewal9545
@matthewal9545 Год назад
You going to cover S3 of picard its soooo goood!!!
@Gfish17
@Gfish17 Год назад
Can we discuss Borg implants? Why do the eye implants poke out?
@michaelwautraets7126
@michaelwautraets7126 Год назад
the cool factor.
@Gfish17
@Gfish17 Год назад
@@michaelwautraets7126 The cool factor? Is that really the best answer? I'm not asking about why the show creators made that decision. I'm asking why the Borg in universe make such unwieldy ocular implants.
@momo9594
@momo9594 Год назад
You really think these 3 drones would have survived as individuals on that planet?
@TheBEARofHIGHWAY1
@TheBEARofHIGHWAY1 Год назад
they'd have at least died free
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Год назад
They seemed to be doing okay at hunting and eating and stuff. They could’ve been picked up by someone else
@momo9594
@momo9594 Год назад
@@TheBEARofHIGHWAY1 but 7 would never had been in our lives!
@momo9594
@momo9594 Год назад
@@kaitlyn__L toucher. I'm sure who ever would have found them, wouldn't had disintegrated them on the spot for being borg drones, disected them for their nano probes or just plainly never showed up. But I must admit: you are right.
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Год назад
@@momo9594 yeah I mean, death was a possibility, certainly. But space is pretty busy in Star Trek, and remember they didn’t get instamurdered when they escaped the second time to seek deborgification surgery
@JohnNathanShopper
@JohnNathanShopper Год назад
Hi, James
@Gfish17
@Gfish17 Год назад
I see nothing wrong with assimilation. So why would the Borg feel the need to erase memories.
@JohnNathanShopper
@JohnNathanShopper Год назад
Infinitely connected with other people? Are you a believer again?
@feliperisseto9113
@feliperisseto9113 Год назад
This are one of the many reasons why I can't empathize with the Borg at all. Even if most of the drones are victims, I can't see them as nothing but villains. They are evil.
@spiralinglight
@spiralinglight Год назад
Anyone else wonder if picard infected the nexus with locutus when he was there?
@undrachvrsage
@undrachvrsage Год назад
TFTC
@hellfish2309
@hellfish2309 Год назад
Here’s an unforgivable sin: what the ‘Picard’ writers squandered of Seven, Jean Luc, and the Borg
@mikewaterfield3599
@mikewaterfield3599 Год назад
Hey she basically just lobotomized 3 other borg. We ever said what happened to her relationship with Commander Chakote? I mean other than being erased by bad kurtz trek writers so she could go full lezie for the addict?
@theodoreslavo5385
@theodoreslavo5385 Год назад
The urge to compare to religion is strong. though hopefully I need not for those strong in science and trek will realize Sevens plight as it is.
@mvd0072
@mvd0072 Год назад
This scenario is similar to the US (Q) and soviet union (the borg)
@TheGahta
@TheGahta Год назад
How so?
@zealotmaster1
@zealotmaster1 Год назад
7 of 9 stole the last slice of pizza
@netgnostic1627
@netgnostic1627 Год назад
... leaving only vegetarian pizza
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Год назад
@@netgnostic1627 do you mean vegan pizza? A basic cheese and tomato is vegetarian and that’s still great lol
@netgnostic1627
@netgnostic1627 Год назад
@@kaitlyn__L 😁 The place I used to work would bring in pizza for some lunch-hour meetings, so there was often leftover pizza available in the coffee areas afterwards. After some time went by, there were often two or three entire vegetarian pizzas left unwanted. I often took one home and added more marinara sauce, more shredded mozzarella, and laid down Italian salami on each slice. Then I'd put two slices per zip-loc bag into my freezer. What a great deal! Perfect lunch to take back to work, and it worked great in the toaster oven.
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Год назад
@@netgnostic1627 ah, the ones covered and veggies? I don’t even like dislike veg in most situations, but more than a couple on a pizza makes it way too soggy. your alteration sounds good though
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