This are my take about the members scenario: - Jeonghan is scared of what he's seeing (the future), that he doesnt want to acknowledge seeing that "forever is a lie" - he tried to find a prescription glasses but nothing works to improved what he sees, instead when he joined the T(iny) Issue club then he got more clear things to see. Feels like the future looks better around the members, that he just enjoy it and let go of the glasses 🤍 - Joshua feels like a meerkat in his office, in a way he always look around but no one seems to care about him. He was drenched in one scene, and at the other scene, he got an umbrella and snack with notes saying "thank you for the umbrella". So I think, he lent his umbrella to someone when he was drenched, and didnt expect to get such appreciation back. Hence, small things makes him happy and feel recognized (even furthermore, turns out there are Shuakat fanclub 🤭 that loves him) - Woozi has social anxiety, he doesnt go out from his room at all (seen at the very first scene, that there's so many delivery trash surrounded him). The way he looks sad with a last piece of puzzle that arent fit in, feels like, that last puzzle was him that doesn't fit with the society. He gets tired of the delivery food tho (when he put down the chicken), so he tried to reach out the outside world thru the screen robot to buy fresh groceries. And it works! with the help of the old woman. So, he feel relieved and less anxious, that he took a brave step to the outside world to thank the old woman personally ☺️ - DK probably was a student trying to get a job (?) maybe he went thru such test so many times. Until that question about what his dream, he write the answer as "Rock". Idk how the rock exactly represents, but it's like a dream of getting first place. He throws the rock to free it from such burden. Is that make sense? 😂 but that's how I feel (funny funfact both jeonghan and dokyeom actually have a pet rock, so it was cute appearance here) - Seungkwan was having busy days, that he gets startled easily with the phone rings/alarms. He ignored it and go to sleep when the phone then turns into a fish. I saw someone said that this fish can also symbolize opportunity (?). He tried to sell it but no ones want to buy it, as this opportunity was only his. So, he then accept and took care of the phone-fish, even trying to practice accepting phone calls by bursting the bubble wrap with that green phone icon. He just gradually hope that the alarms/phone ring sounds does not feel as bad as yesterday 🥰 It was such a relatable song by the lyrics and by every member scenario on the MV, so it's makes me really emotional, until the horanghae comes out 🐯❤ (it's a cute credit as hoshi line inspired woozi to write the song) If you read my long comment until here, hope this day not so bad for you either 🤍
This is the interpretation that makes so much sense. Especially for shua after what he has suffered from toxic fans. He needs to be reminded that there are shuakat fans looking after him ❤. I was so happy seeing my happiness happy again.
The club name is TISSUE Club but there's tiny letter beside T that reads Tiny so it's Tiny Issue Club which they all came to and shared the tiny issues they all had (the youths has in everyday life's), overcoming the issues and at last found a family within the club. At the end where a tiger came, it represents Hoshi with his "tiny issues" of him thinking he's a tiger 😂
12:47 hoshi is the one who inspired woozi to wrote this song by saying "sorry, it's my first time living today too" when he made a few mess on his ment on tour back then. 🐯
I want to tell you about phone-fish thing. In Korea, people call it 'dive' when they don't check and answer to dm, call, message, reply, etc by their own choice. So maybe that fish means he was so sick of all that sns and calls so he make himself 'dive'
How can anyone NOT love Seventeen!! They always give me EXACTLY what I need EXACTLY when I need it! I cried all the way through it with emotions ranging from empathy to happiness to sheer love! I'm posting a (LONG) comment I left under another reaction because it's my theories combined with others. I see other comments below that add even more to what I'm sharing. Perhaps we all can come together and understand Seventeen's message through each other's perspectives. 🤎💙 Joshua ("Shua") has been likened to a meerkat by fans because he's always looking around, so it fits; and I guess he's wondered if he was lovingly called that or not, only to find he has a SHUA KAT fan club. Woozi has said many times he HATES shopping, so he has groceries and food delivered; so I think it's precious that when he finally overcomes his social anxiety to go shopping for himself, he thanks the helpful grandmother (a tip of the hat to his own grandmother who inspired the Vocal team's first song "20", as well as to Carats since it's the official flower of Carats) by giving her a bouquet of chamomiles. Chamomiles also represent calm and healing. DK's pet rock's name is Dodol. He "adopted" a rock after Jeonghan got HIS pet rock named Doljjong. They take turns sharing pictures and updates on Weverse about their rocks, since the rocks keep them company. Perhaps DK is setting Dodol free...a way of releasing an inanimate rock and opening himself up to relationship with humans. (??) I think his line "I want to be by myself, but I don't want to be alone" as he keeps Dodol by his side is the story. As for Seungkwan, he LOVES his phone and has said he wouldn't be able to live without it. The caller on the phone reads "Unknown Caller" in Korean by the way. I also can't help but wonder if it's a little tribute to Moonbin who doesn't call him anymore; and one of the last videos we saw of Seungkwan and Moonbin together were them riding bikes...?? As for the goldfish, many are theorizing that it represents a distraction...something to snap him out of his funk and go outside. Jeonghan has said he doesn't like getting older as his eyesight is getting a little bad. That's one interpretation. Another is that as he matures, he realizes he doesn't need glasses to see the truth..."Forever Is A Lie"...and as he enters the T[iny]Issue Club with glasses on, his POV sees them as their characters (goldfish, pet rock, phone screen, etc.), and they then come into clear view as the members when the glasses are fully off. It's possible his sadness has to do with his soon enlisting...meaning this happy time in Seventeen's life won't last forever. Of course, Seventeen will ALWAYS live forever in our hearts; and the interruptions while members serve out their time will end and they'll regroup. Yet it will never be like it is now once the members temporarily separate. So each member brought their fears, concerns, anxieties and heartaches to the Tiny Issue Club, or TIssue Club where they were able to talk things out, gain support and find REAL friends. I LOVE how Seventeen tackles the REAL issues of people today, and never fails to give hope, support and comfort. ***Here is what was written on the poster of the T(iny)ISSUE CLUB (taken from a Twitter post): "Small Problems, Big Solutions! Tiny Issue Club is here to help you tackle your small problems together. We're dedicated to addressing the minor challenges in your everyday life. Sometimes, a simple conversation, some advice or just a supportive hand can help you overcome the small obstacles you face. Our motto is "Wiping away tears and finding happiness." We believe no problem is too small, and often, these small issues can lead to significant changes. That's why we encourage creating precious moments together. Join the Tiny Issue Club! We welcome you with open arms. Here, we'll listen to your story, empathize with you, and be your companion through thick and thin. Let's create precious moments together! Contact us for more information. Visit us online at tinyissuesclub.com for further details. (NOTE: Link doesn't currently work.) Note: We respect anonymity, and all information is kept confidential.*** I saw where someone else commented that the members are representing the various stages of life: Seungkwan (elementary school), Jeonghan (highschool/college), DK (applying for his first job, as that's an application he's filling out), Joshua (young adult) and Woozi (older years when feeling closed off). And seriously...I ABSOLUTELY ADORE how Woozi thanked Hoshi for inspiring the song! "It just so happens that it's my first time living today" is what Hoshi said when he made some mistake in one of the concerts; and Woozi took that inspiration to make this masterpiece. Though I've seen the comments about Jeonghan saying it was because Hoshi thinking he's a tiger is an issue Hoshi has, and so the tiger was added as a joke, I still prefer the sweetness of Woozi thanking him for the inspiration. Horanghae forever!!
You know what? All 4 MV in this album were made by the same production, same directors. They intended to express the different colors of each song well and make it look like they were made by different people. They know what they are doing.
This is a bit long but thank you for reading cause they really put a lot of elements in the MV that are so relatable, Seventeen- or ordinary-persons-wise 😅 SEUNGKWAN is someone who seems to be always on the edge, either cause of constant calls or his alarms. I feel like he's got a lot of deadlines to beat that when his phone fell into the fishtank and turned into a fish, he wanted to get it fixed cause he knows he needed it for his daily life but neither a fisherman nor the Oppo staff accepted to fix it 😅 he then just made it into a pet fish, even showing it to DK (who had a pet rock 😆) and at the end his polaroid said 'I hope the day would come when my noisy alarm is less annoying'. His one way of reducing stress? Popping bubble wrap, which is probably so relatable with a lot of people, including me 😅 WOOZI, who in real life we know is an introvert and doesn't really like going out, has a robot who even does the errands for him, like doing the grocery. But being alone only with his robot friend, he eventually felt like there's a missing piece of him as he was doing the puzzle. He tried to overcome his situation and visited the supermarket himself and gave flowers to the grandma staff, probably a way of thanking her. Somehow it feels to me that it's a way of saying we might rely on AI/robots but having to feel that connection with another person still gives a different, warmer feeling. In his polaroid shot, it said 'My friend who brought me out into the world' talking about his robot friend. AI/technology can be a friend but let's not forget about human relationships too. DOKYEOM is a student who seems to be struggling and coping with stress in his studies and his college life in general. While this is relatable everywhere else, I feel like it's especially true in South Korea where they put value in studying and grades so much that a lot would say, 'Grades isn't everything' . His way of coping is to have a pet rock (who even won a trophy 😆). On his exam paper (apparently like an MBTI one taken when you apply for jobs), he even wrote Dol (rock) instead of the answer 😅 In one scene at the T(iny)ISSUE CLUB, he himself was the rock which what he also probably feels at times, that he is a Dol Meori (rock head) or someone whose head doesn't absorb anything/someone who isn't bright. Incidentally, I came across a video which claims that young people in SoKor now take rocks as pets to cope with stress since rocks are easier to take care of. I'm not sure tho how true this is but the video did include a clip of Jeonghan and his own pet rock, Doljjong, so some say JH was the one who started this trend 😆 Towards the end, we see DK throwing his pet rock away with Jeonghan, probably to symbolize him breaking out of his mindset that he'd never do good with his studies. In his polaroid shot, it said 'With Dolkyeong, who won first place in the idling contest'. 😆 JOSHUA is an office worker who is like a meerkat, cause he seems to be looking at everyone, monitoring them. Turns out, in the note with the umbrella, it said Joshua Daeri-nim (Assistant Manager Joshua) meaning he must be at least a position higher than most of those around him. The reason why he's looking around is either cause he's a supervisor to them or he's anxious of what others might think about him, if he's doing a good job. He seems to be stressed about it that he even dreams about it, falling asleep in his car. Unknowingly, his colleagues actually support him, even having a Shua-kat Club 😆 the note on the umbrella said 'Asst. Manager Joshua, thank you for lending me your umbrella' and we see him at the MV's beginning, how he's rained on. He also found a flyer with his photo that said 'We love how you look at us. Keep looking around like a meerkat and we will support you whatsoever, Shua-kat!'. Seems he himself didn't know that he's actually doing great in his job being an assistant manager. In his polaroid shot, it said 'With the Shua-kat Club' 😆 And with JEONGHAN, it seems he's suffering from a physical disability that he feels an inferiority complex about it. But during their T(iny)ISSUES meeting, when he took off his glasses, he actually saw everyone in a different light. I feel like he tends to downplay his capabilities and feel he's not good enough when in fact, he didn't really need the glasses. The board he was reading when his eyesight was getting checked said FOREVER IS A LIE. In the end, he also threw his glasses away (in another fishtank) and in his polaroid shot, it said 'Look directly at it, without glasses'. I think in a way, it also gives the message that we shouldn't overcomplicate things at times. See them as they are. And ofc, Hoshi's cameo. If you're a Carat, you know even without context that when you see a 🐯 it's no one else but Hoshi 🤣 it just... clicks! 🤣 and it's all because of his quoted line 'Sorry, I'm also living today for the first time' that Woozi got the idea for Cheers To Youth 🥰 He shared that story during their Follow Again concert in Seoul about the time when he apologized to the members of something he said that the members felt was a bit too much and said, 'Sorry it's my first time living today'. 🤭 I feel like CHEERS TO YOUTH is the younger sibling of FML... their messages both meant to heal and inspire everyone! ❤️🥰
Nice to read another long explanation besides just mine! THANK YOU! You shared some details *I* didn't know, especially since I can't read Korean. Between your interpretation and mine, I think we've just about covered everything! THANK YOU again for sharing YOUR insights. I love reading other people's perspectives which help to clarify my own!
I have no words, as this is beautiful, God ... This is not a video, this is true art, the concept loves as you are, so you can love the next. And a bix of emotions that tears flow endlessly. Seventeen you got it once again. Congratulations ... OMG, thanks for this beautiful reaction.
